Skyline Importing - I've done it


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NightXCZ77
12-21-2003, 02:10 PM
I've read through about 4 or 5 posts now about importing Skylines and RazorGTR coming to close all of them or tell people off (no offense to you).

Importing a Skyline is not hard if you know what you are doing and have the mind to do it like I do. I have imported about 5 Skylines thus far into the US, however, not legal for street use. We do it in a completely legal manner so that in a year from now you don't have to send it back to Japan. Despite what many think, Skylines pass emissions...they do have catalytic converters on them stock (atleast the ones I import do). I just delivered a Beautiful R33 GTS-T to a customer in El Paso, TX.

He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.

MOTOREX is not the only company who can bring these things in...and no, MotoRex did not do any crash testing, or any other BS stuff that they will tell you. A company by the name of JK Motors did everything for them, then MotoRex paid the bill and thus they have the information. People like myself and a partner of mine have all of that information (majority can be found on the web)...and the DOT has accepted new applications for importing and legalizing Skylines since they were threatened with aiding a Monopoly...soon you will see several RI's popping up with legalization privelages for Skylines...I know two personally right now that are about 30 days away....

Anyhow, just thought I would let you guys know that it is possible to import them, although you military guys can't just send it over cause you're privelaged or whatever...it doesn't work that way. Anything unloaded in customs gets sent to a RI as a whole car...unless you know how to get around it.

Night
sales@night7racing.com

VQuick
12-21-2003, 07:03 PM
No one ever said Motorex was the only company that could import Skylines. No one that was properly informed, anyway.;) Motorex is the only company thus far that can legalize them.

He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.

Where is the legalization process in all of this? Can this car in El Paso be registered if it hasn't been legalized? There is much more to the car being legal than just emissions. You'll find quite a few things that need to be done in the information that has been found on the Internet. Insuring the cars isn't too hard. There are several options for that.

If more RIs step up to the plate and get DOT approval to import and legalize Skylines, then fine. It's just that no one else has completed the process yet, including RB Motoring.

RazorGTR
12-21-2003, 08:52 PM
No offense taken.

Simply put I would like to see others (RI's) or whomever be able to legalize these cars there, BUT until there is proof I have to stick with what is known.
Not what is just said on a forums. There have been tosser after tosser after tosser who claims this and that. yet people continually get stuck and wind up in the shit because of it.
i find it very hard to believe someone has actually legalized it without MotoRex. As I know of currently they are the only ones. RBMotoring are working on the paperwork to be able to do it. Once finalized they will be added to the list.

You send me PROOF, in the next 3 days and all is cool, if not this thread goes and so do you. Simply put and don't take it personal, I've had a guts full of hollow promisses, and people claiming this and that. They either put up or, well they're banned. I will not tolerate nor will I accept anyone giving false information as such.

As I've said "I REALLY WANT OTHERS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT". If and when I do decide to come back to the states I want to bring my GTR with me full stop. I will in the mean time compile viable information until such time weeding out the shit and bullshitters as I go.

You can call me hard, an asshole, hell a dirty son of a bitch. I honestly don't care, but everyone knows I am fair and EVERYONE is on a level playing field. They play by the rules or they can play somewhere else.

RazorGTR
12-21-2003, 08:57 PM
For the rest of the forums users. Unless you have something important to add you DAMN WELL BETTER not. i don't want this thread turning into a shit slinging or post whoring one! Be forwarned! I've said what needs to be said but I am sure someone like Sami, Sean Morris etc can shed a bit more light. I've made this a sticky in the mean time.

NightXCZ77
12-22-2003, 12:49 AM
The only company that I have heard of that brings in Skylines and legalizes them other than MotoRex is Fuel Imports out of Florida. I have not checked their credentials to see if they are legit or not, but they swear up and down to have legalized over 60 Skylines this year and that they will be on the revised RI list when it is released...I guess they say that they are big over in the UK.

The cars I import are not legalized, however, my buyer in El Paso is currently going through the process to register it without legalization...of which I am fairly well aware of. There are always loopholes through everything...many companies don't want others to find out because of competition reasons...I can understand that. Razor - if you need proof that I have actually brought in Skylines to the US, you are free to email me at sales@night7racing.com I don't have anything to hide (except my process) and don't BS about this kind of stuff - there'd be no point. For anyone that wanted to see this beautiful car...here's a pic of it:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4932

Night

RazorGTR
12-22-2003, 03:53 AM
I've heard of this Fuel Imports. The last I heard was they were going through MotoRex for the legalization process then passing on they were doing it themselves. How true it is or not has not be 100% confirmed hence my leaving them off of the places to go for legalization.

From what you are saying this cap in El Paso will or could very well get himself into a big pot of trouble. The main problem is you can't pawn these cars off as custom built, home build, etc to bypass the laws they are too well known about.

On the Fuel Import place they can claim what they want, fact is if they have done that many i am sure more than one magazine would have covered it by now as some sort of confirmation. This in turn would get around like wild fire. So far, this is only my personal opinion on them is they sound no different then Omega who turned out to be nothing more than a money pit for a lot of people with promisses which they could not keep.

Bringing in a Skyline or any other car isn't a major. Getting it legalized is. That is where the proof is needed. I hope you can understand I am only looking after everyone that views these boards, and they asperations of actually owning one of these cars.

NightXCZ77
12-22-2003, 06:54 PM
You're right, there are quite a few laws...and he doesn't face any trouble either. It is not as hard as you may think to get one of these vehicles registered. There are different loopholes and clauses that make it fairly simple if you know what you are doing. I didn't start this thread as saying that I import legal Skylines...I just said that I have imported them and sold them. I don't legalize them in any ways, I just sell them to people who want to have a Skyline for a cheaper price. This also allows them to go out and try to register it (out of every Skyline I've sold, I have never had one person come back and say they couldn't register it)...or keep it as a show car/permit driven car, whatever.

90% of people working for the DOT or DMV have no clue what a Skyline is...makes it fairly simple in that respect to register them. More than half of Americans don't know what Skylines are...most people that work for Nissan here in America don't know what Skylines are except the ones that play Grand Tourismo...

Bringing in these cars isn't an easy task either...if it were, there would be thousands of non-legalized Skylines here in the US...and that's not the case.

Fuel Imports supposedly bought out another RI down in FL...they don't market or focus much on the US market, or so they say....anyhow, I think they are pretty sketchy myself, but you never know until you see the permits and lisences.

Night

NightXCZ77
12-23-2003, 01:34 AM
All you gotta do is IM me sometime lol...simple as that. Or shoot me an email - sales@night7racing.com I'll talk to anyone =o)

tyndago
12-24-2003, 04:00 PM
It is not as hard as you may think to get one of these vehicles registered. There are different loopholes and clauses that make it fairly simple if you know what you are doing. I didn't start this thread as saying that I import legal Skylines...I just said that I have imported them and sold them. I don't legalize them in any ways, I just sell them to people who want to have a Skyline for a cheaper price. This also allows them to go out and try to register it (out of every Skyline I've sold, I have never had one person come back and say they couldn't register it)...or keep it as a show car/permit driven car, whatever.


It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars

stealthj
12-24-2003, 06:07 PM
It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars
i hope you were kidding about reporting him

tyndago
12-24-2003, 06:31 PM
Not all all kidding. I have done it before . I will do it again.

The only people he is hurting is the people that buy the cars from him.

When something happens to their car , or they try and sell it to someone else , they are the ones going to be stuck with an illegal car.

He doesn't care , he sold the car . He got his money.

stealthj
12-24-2003, 06:35 PM
oh ive never thought about that part....

but dont they just transfer the title??...i thoguth it would be easy...

but anyways.... you are not going to be revealing what is needed to legalize a skyline are you??

its worth asking! lol :-)

BlueDragon871
12-24-2003, 06:51 PM
oh ya night im cancunman87 ahahahah :)

tyndago
12-24-2003, 07:25 PM
oh ive never thought about that part....

but dont they just transfer the title??...i thoguth it would be easy...

Come to California and try to do that. I have been on the end of the phone with several people with cars that had been imported and never legalized.

Cars that have been in 3-4 states prior to coming to California . Then they try and register the car in California and they are not able to.

So what do you do . You paid good money for a car . Now its 3,4,5 years later . Maybe you are the 2nd or 3rd owner since the car was imported.

Now you the current owner have to pay the $6500 - $25,000 to legalize this car. Sure would have made a difference when you paid for the car right ?

So now you are defauded out of the sale . If you sell the car to someone , knowing its not legal , then you are liable.

WHAT DO YOU DO ?

See you all sit there in front of the computer and talk about this , dream about that , but in the real world I have had to help out some of these people.

NightXCZ77
12-24-2003, 10:07 PM
It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars

I do not bypass any federal laws and everything I do is 100% legal and by the books. I have all of my entries filed 100% correct and all of my vehicles approved 100%.

I do not sell vehicles for road use, I sell them for offroad use only. If I sold them to the customer without telling them that they will have problems registering the vehicles etc...if they so choose to and if they did not know exactly what was happening with the cars, then I would be misleading them, but I am not. Every person ever to order a vehicle from me knows the same thing: 1) These are JDM Vehicles. 2) They are sold for off-road use only. 3) If they choose to try and register the car, they may run into many complications.

Sean - are you intimidated because people would buy these cars instead of paying your ass $50k over what they sell for in Japan because you "supposedly" have all of this research? More like you paid JK Motors and have since had a Monopoly with MotoRex...give me a break. You can report me all you want, but I am 100% within my rights and what I do is 100% legal. If you don't like that, then I am sorry. If you would like to make me your new target for attacking - bring it on.

Cameron

NightXCZ77
12-24-2003, 10:16 PM
Now you the current owner have to pay the $6500 - $25,000 to legalize this car. Sure would have made a difference when you paid for the car right ?

So now you are defauded out of the sale . If you sell the car to someone , knowing its not legal , then you are liable.

WHAT DO YOU DO ?

See you all sit there in front of the computer and talk about this , dream about that , but in the real world I have had to help out some of these people.


The cars are not illegal unless they are sold as being "road worthy and titled vehicles" and in fact they have no title and therefore cannot be driven on the road. If you are misleading and defrauding others, then you are liable. If you are truthful, write out contracts and correct bills of sale...you are protected.

The majority of people that purchase from me are people who are very rich and want a car that they can play with at the track, take to shows, and have looking pretty in their garage. Some people choose to drive these cars on the street...that's their choice. Once the cars leave my hands, I am no longer liable.

In the real world, SEAN, all you do is screw people out of hard-earned dollars. I'll be the first to say it. You and I both know that legalizing Skylines is no $16,000 task...in fact, it's no $10,000 task...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

You keep doing what you try and call "helping these people"...the DOT and EPA, NHTSA know that these cars are plenty road worthy for US roads....why haven't they allowed them for importation....it's pretty simple to me, and I'm sure most others have figured it out. All you care about is keeping your little market and stuffing 100g's (could be an exaggeration) in your pocket every month...no wonder you're so touchy.

Night

ysc87@hotmail.com
12-24-2003, 11:33 PM
Actually, he probably doesn't make a wad of cash everyday, considering
a)are there like 100 sales each day? no.
b)is there time and work required to do this? yes.

we pay lawyers 500 dollars to think about some shit for 5 minutes. we pay premiums for things we want, everything from furby's to the new evo 8s.

i'm sure it's a great thing your doing, but shit, i'd rather fork over the money for something street legal, rather than hoping i run across redneck policemen everyday who can't tell the difference between a skyline and a civic.

the people who buy their skylines from motorex are wanting to drive their cars on the street legally. not everyone has the time or money to play around in a track. if they do, great for you. i'm sure we could recommend that person to you or whoever else is doing this. the rest of us will either have to pay up, keep dreaming, or import it ourself and bribe the customs guys..

while you're at it, why don't we all go and bitch to the guy from "king motorsports" in wisconson? he has a basic monopoly for readily available mugen parts for jdm freaks everywhere, and the prices he overcharges is no different than what happens here.

not criticizing you newhere, but come on, most of these would-be buyers are desperate for a car that can be seen as a basketball card. everyone has the normal cards... but when some guy pulls out some rare-ass rookie, a select few from that group are willing to pay as much for it as they can, others planning some way to steal it or make some copy of it, others just dream of it, and the rest either give up or keep buying packs to get the same one.

guess most of us will have to wait. :P

NISMO LMR
12-25-2003, 01:02 AM
Hey Sean, Sorry to say it man. But you just got told. I guess im no one to accuse anyone of anything here. I couldnt give two shits what you do with your biz. If you wanna run a scam business, hey thats your deal. But you did get told :p

NarutoRamen
12-25-2003, 01:35 AM
You know what...you can combine what Sean does with Motorex and save your self from going broke all at once. Just buy a skyline for 22grand from japan and keep it at your house or some warehouse....don't drive it...dont do shit. Just wait and save up your money until you have enough to send it to motorex and have them legalize it for 25 grand.

I saw a r34 V spec ready to be imported to US for 30,000, and it costs 25grand to get it legalized from Motorex. All together with taxes and fees and whatnot...you're looking at roughly 60grand....much better than paying Motorex or some other company 90+grand for the same thing. Also by importing it yourself...you don't have to worry about paying the full 60g all at once. you can legally keep the car...but can't drive it...so rent some sort of a garage where you can park your car safely....then may be in a year or so...get some financing then legalize it.

This is not proven...just a theory. If you like/dislike it tell me....I would love to know what you guys think. I would love to try it...but I don't have 30g to buy the skyline...so I will wait...then i'll do it if it's legal.

Raman B.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 01:41 AM
Ramen - good theory, however, that is not the case. If you bring in a Skyline through customs, they will not release it to you. They will put it in their own storage facility and make you pay fees (which in long beach are pretty damn high). They will not release the vehicle to anyone other than a RI who will legalize it. You have that option (paying their storage fee and paying legalization right there) or shipping it back to country of origin. If customs would release those vehicles to people with the "trust" that those people wouldn't drive them and would only save them to send to MotoRex in a year or two, I am sure you would see 100's of them all over the place in garages and those people driving them although they aren't supposed to. The only two ways to get these cars is 1, through an importer like myself as a NON-REGISTERED, NON-LEGALIZED vehicle for off-road use only...or through MotoRex.

Night

NarutoRamen
12-25-2003, 01:56 AM
Sean....Well can't I bring it in as a show car??? They let you keep it then right and not let you drive it??? But if they really want to be bastards and not let me keep it at all and charge me money for it...I don't have to bring it to America. I can send it to India...my family is pretty rich there...and definately have enough space to keep 1 car. then when I have the money...bring it to america through Motorex. Do you think that could work?

Raman B.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 02:49 AM
Show cars can be driven I believe up to 2500 miles a year. The cars can be brought in for show or race purposes. There are stipulations that allow you to keep it for 1 year...I am not sure on whether or not they have longer terms....haven't looked into it that deeply. I am not Sean either...in case you got that confused. If you bought a car in Japan, you could send it to MotoRex to have it legalized then...then you'd pay whatever the costs were through them. They are the only ones that I know of currently able to legalize these vehicles. You can always try FuelImports down in FL...but get their credentials first and some references to verify that they have legalized these vehicles. From what I heard, MotoRex offered a large settlement for them to stop selling...they refused, but who knows what's true or what's not...MotoRex has claimed to have done these crash tests etc...when JK Motors did it...

Night

RazorGTR
12-25-2003, 03:12 AM
A nice link to check to see what RI's are listed on the NHTSA site. Now granted it has been updated since July of this year. Fuel Imports isn't listed.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:13 AM
I know they aren't listed. They said that they bought out a different RI in FL. If you call the different RI's in FL....one of them has every number disconnected or not in service....sooooo? Who knows...they could be legit, but I haven't yet asked for their verification paperwork of which I should do...and get their lisence etc... approval letter from the NHTSA etc....

Night

Moppie
12-25-2003, 03:24 AM
If you would like to make me your new target for attacking - bring it on.



NightXCZ77 The only attacking I see is your attempts to discredit and spread largely false information about Sean and motorex.
Your agruments are flawed and irrational, and have contributed nothing useful.

Sean may be a bit defensive at times, but given the BS he has to put up with I dont blame him.
If you continue to add to that BS then you can consider yourself on a very short path to getting banned, a process that will follow you to every major automotive forum you care to visit.


If you can come up with some real facts to back up your alegations then please feel free to present them, but JK motoring, Motorex, RBmotoring and Sean have done nothing, even based on your own claims that is untoward in the modern bussiness world.
And, if you care to do a little research, even within this forum you will find plenty of refernces to the work done by JK motoring, Motorex and Sean regarding the legalisation process, inculding links to online copies of all the documentation required by, and supplied to the DOT, EPA and NHTSA regarding the crash testing and modification process.

And, if through experiance importing cars into the US from Japan you have something useful to add to the forums then please feel to do so, be it technical advice, or the sharing of general automotive knowledge.

But if your here for no purpose other than to put down and attack the reputation of a member who has proved his integrity, knowledge and willingness to help others here, in other forums and in real life, then I suggest you click here: to log out (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout)

RazorGTR
12-25-2003, 03:36 AM
Sean a quick Question for you. Has RBMotoring officially filed the paperwork for legalziation yet as well as importing?

I need to know for sure so i can add them to the list officially.

cheers

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:38 AM
First off, the attacking I was speaking of is: "Consider yourself reported to blah blah blah." and "I've done it before, I'll do it again." Reason for this behavior - because I am doing something completely legal and he can't stand any competition? Come on here, you're a mod and I'm pretty sure you understand that concept.

Show me where I have spread FALSE information...please do. I have books 600+ pages long on being a RI, rules, regulations, the work of JK Motoring, the release papers from the NHTSA etc... We've read em, we've researched em, etc...

I have been of mod status on different forums before...I will be a Mod again...this is a forum I chose to come back to because just like 2 years ago when people said the RB25DET swap wasn't possible....I did it anyways, just like here people keep whining about having to pay MotoRex...cause they're the "only ones"...I do it as well. If you want to kick me off because I don't agree with Sean, MotoRex, or RBMotoring (same difference as Flashoptions and RacingHard)...then that's your choice. I'm not here to make an enemy with you.

I have spoken dozens of times with the DOT, EPA, etc... about this situation, spoken with many, many RI's in different states, spoken about 5 times with JK Motoring and their CEO...I think I have a little room to talk here and I doubt anyone else has done the same. The documents listed on line are partial...they are not at all complete...if they were, there would be 100 RI's doing Skylines right now piggy-backed off of MotoRex's crash testing data.

Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc... Razor and I have argued about them before and I have learned a little more from him. I have knowledge on them, but no one on this forum wants that, they want to know "HOW DO I GET A SKYLINE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MOTOREX???" Last time I checked, helping is not charging $88,000 for a car that costs $15,000 in Japan, $1200 importation, $500 tariffs and customs...then whatever else for legalization...which has to be under $25k.

As I said before...I am spreading knowledge. I import things 100% legally and yet Sean wants to make it his personal agenda to notify the DOT and EPA that I am a legal importer within my rights and following all of the books correctly. I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.

Night

Moppie
12-25-2003, 03:59 AM
Excuse me for being selective here,


Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc...


If your going to claim theft is taking place then pleae show some proof.
Otherwise get over it, yes Skylines in the US are far far to over priced, and prehaps the margins are more than a little high, but you should consider moving to another country if you find the thought of a company trying to make a profit offensive.



I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.



So are you, or are you not currently an RI?
You claim to be importing, or to have imported cars, yet you seem unsure as to whether or not you are, or are working for an RI.

And if you have been through the process required to become a "Legalizer" then you will be able to give us a complete break down of the costs involved, from the legal costs, to the crash testing costs, and prove to us that it is a lot cheaper than JK and Motorex claim, and so offer some proof that they are infact over charging by an excessive amount.

However, and I have been reading a lot of your other posts, all Iv seen so far is a lot of rehtoric and heavily garnsihed opion.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 01:56 PM
Sitting here reading the diatribe , deciding wether I want to waste a couple hours of my life laying out exactly why you can not do what you are doing .

I too have read though all the rules and regulations. I have been participating in it since 1999. When was the last time any of you were in Washington ,DC at the DOT OVSC ?

I am not out to rob people , neither was Motorex , just trying to get a car in legally.

If there was another legal way , we would have used that other legal way.

The only legal way was for Motorex - at that time GT Motorcars to contract with JK Technologies to legalize the Skyline . Who do you think paid JK , and got the cars for them to crash test ? They came though ,and the money came from GT Motorcars /Motorex.

That information then became the exclusive property of GT Motorcars /Motorex. They paid their dues. They got the cars legal , in the legal way.

Don't whine about the money. The money is no excuse. I can say I like Ferraris , but I don't want to pay the money , so I STOLE one. It doesn't make the theft right.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 02:01 PM
Theft is an exaggeration relating to the costs that they charge. If you were sitting in a store in the US and buy a bottle of coke for $1, then later that day go across the border into Canada to go shopping (or whatever)...and there is only one store in the whole city you are in that sells coke....they charge $50 for the same bottle you just bought for a dollar...what would you call it? Just like gas prices in the US, many states have gouging laws...this really isn't much different except there aren't multiple companies doing the gouging. I don't take profit offensively...if there were no profit in the business, there'd be no point, but it's the point to which you take your greed that sets the standards for what kind of company you are.

I am not currently a RI. I have imported JDM vehicles through customs 100% legally. We will become a RI sometime during this upcoming year after our facility is complete and all petitions filed. We also have severe financial backing that will allow us to do the legalization process/crash testing and petition. When we become a RI, we will be solely legalizing cars, not selling any for off-road use.

If MotoRex won't give yuo the costs of legalizing, what makes you think I would? Once I have gone through all of the processes, that information will remain in a safe. It's very simple to weed through what needs to be done to these cars...and yes, they are overcharging. Last time I checked, it doesn't cost an extra $8-9k in order to wire in OBDII...but who am I to say that.

Night

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:03 PM
THROUGH MOTOREX???" Last time I checked, helping is not charging $88,000 for a car that costs $15,000 in Japan, $1200 importation, $500 tariffs and customs...then whatever else for legalization...which has to be under $25k.


Helping ? Business is all about HELPING . Did I miss something about capitalism ?

HELPING ? How ridiculous does that sound ?

$15,000 what car - and charging $88,000 ? Get your facts straight.

Which exact Skyline can you buy for $15,000 and sell for $88,000 . You are exagerating .

R34's have always been artifically inflated . At first the cars were about $50,000 in Japan , and the selling price was $85,000 in the US.

Other cars - and I should know , because I sold , or was involved with the sale of most of them go for $27,000 - $50,000 range.

Show me one $15,000 car that was sold for $88,000 or SHUT UP.

Motorex charges between $16,000 - $25,000 to legalize a car.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:08 PM
Just like gas prices in the US, many states have gouging laws...this really isn't much different except there aren't multiple companies doing the gouging. I don't take profit offensively...if there were no profit in the business, there'd be no point, but it's the point to which you take your greed that sets the standards for what kind of company you are.


Well welcome to the real world . We will see what you have to charge for cars when you are not IMPORTING THEM ILLEGALLY.

I dont know what you see as a normal profit , but there is not as much money in this whole system as you think there is.

Especially if you have $30,000 tied up in a car . 10% , 20% , 30% . What covers your costs and expenses ?

How do you answer to your investors when you are making $500 on a car. And the $100k , $200k they invested in you is getting less return than a savings account.

Live in the real world - realize business requires money to work.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:11 PM
Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.

2. NONAPPLICATION This section does not apply to

1. the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment in good faith other than for resale;

2. a person

1. establishing that the person had no reason to know, despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or

2. holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment complies with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

3. a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and exported;

4. a motor vehicle the Secretary of Transportation decides under section 30141 of this title is capable of complying with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

5. a motor vehicle imported for personal use by an individual who receives an exemption under section 30142 of this title;

6. a motor vehicle under section 30143 of this title imported by an individual employed outside the United States;

7. a motor vehicle under section 30144 of this title imported on a temporary basis;

8. a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment under section 30145 of this title requiring further manufacturing; or

9. a motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:14 PM
Exemptions to this rule.

Sec. 30113. General exemptions

1. DEFINITION In this section, "low-emission motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle meeting the standards for new motor vehicles applicable to the vehicle under section 202 of the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7521) when the vehicle is manufactured and emitting an air pollutant in an amount significantly below one of those standards.

2. AUTHORITY TO EXEMPT AND PROCEDURES

1. The Secretary of Transportation may exempt, on a temporary basis, motor vehicles from a motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter on terms the Secretary considers appropriate. An exemption may be renewed. A renewal may be granted only on reapplication and must conform to the requirements of this subsection.

2. The Secretary may begin a proceeding under this subsection when a manufacturer applies for an exemption or a renewal of an exemption. The Secretary shall publish notice of the application and provide an opportunity to comment. An application for an exemption or for a renewal of an exemption shall be filed at a time and in the way, and contain information, this section and the Secretary require.

3. The Secretary may act under this subsection on finding that

1. an exemption is consistent with the public interest and this chapter; and

2.

1. compliance with the standard would cause substantial economic hardship to a manufacturer that has tried to comply with the standard in good faith;

2. the exemption would make easier the development or field evaluation of a new motor vehicle safety feature providing a safety level at least equal to the safety level of the standard;

3. the exemption would make the development or field evaluation of a low-emission motor vehicle easier and would not unreasonably lower the safety level of that vehicle; or

4. compliance with the standard would prevent the manufacturer from selling a motor vehicle with an overall safety level at least equal to the overall safety level of nonexempt vehicles.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:15 PM
Special Exemptions

Sec. 30114. Special exemptions

The Secretary of Transportation may exempt a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment from section 30112(a) of this title on terms the Secretary decides are necessary for research, investigations, demonstrations, training, or competitive racing events.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:17 PM
Theres the reason why he can not import and sell a non-complying vehicle.

No matter what he says.

There are the rules for the exemptions that are allowed.

If the cars he is importing do not meet one of the exemption requirements , then he is ILLEGALLY importing and SELLING vehicles.

Any idiot can import cars. Getting them legal is the hard part.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:34 PM
Theft is an exaggeration relating to the costs that they charge. If you were sitting in a store in the US and buy a bottle of coke for $1, then later that day go across the border into Canada to go shopping (or whatever)...and there is only one store in the whole city you are in that sells coke....they charge $50 for the same bottle you just bought for a dollar...what would you call it?

Excersise your rights as a consumer and you don't buy the $50 bottle of coke in Canada.

Wow. That was easy wasn't it .


Complaining based only on price is not a valid arguement.


Capitalism . Go out setup your own business. Don't illegally import them as you are now .

Don't talk about becoming an RI - become one. So many people talk.... TALK...TALK...TALK....TALK.

Action gets stuff done. Show some action or SHUT UP. I am so sick of people talking .

The last 4 years . All people do is talk. Complain about prices , but not one single person has the BALLS to do it legally. To go up against Motorex.

NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. Sure you talk now.... but lets talk about a countless number of emails / message boards FULL of people that were going to do this or that.

Invisible companies like Omega Skylines , Speed53 , Fuel Imports.

I have talked to people that were screwed out of money by Omega Skylines. I have had to help people that have had cars that were never legalized , and then they tried to legalize in California.

I dont know how many more times , or how many ways I am going to have to break you down , but I can and I will .

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:40 PM
Hey Sean, Sorry to say it man. But you just got told. I guess im no one to accuse anyone of anything here. I couldnt give two shits what you do with your biz. If you wanna run a scam business, hey thats your deal. But you did get told :p

I got told ? Ha . How about giving me 5 minutes to make a response.

You know you are right - YOU are "NO ONE" to accuse anyone of anything.

The importing business is not a scam. Its done under rules and regulations of the government. The DOT , NHTSA , OVSC.

If you want to see things change . Get the importation and legalization rules changed.

Bill Gates got it changed for the "Show or Display" exemption. Where do you think that came from ? Bill Gates and his 959.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:45 PM
ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 02:47 PM
Sean - I don't import complete cars, so, what I do is 100% legal. I do not sell the cars as "vehicles" either, so you can scratch that out of your categories. You know different ways to import vehicles as non-vehicles etc... etc... etc... you're not an idiot. I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I do as well as far as bringing them in is concerned.

I talk now, I build funds, I bring it all to life later. If I had a few hundred thousand to play with right now, I'd be all over this thing, but I don't. We will have the funds available early in the year from our investors and we will have the facilities setup in February or Early March.

The $88,000 vehicle was a R33 GT-R. I've been to Japan, I know what they cost over there. Unless you guys buy all of the highest priced Skylines in Japan, these ones normally are not near $27k at all...and you know that. Get Hiro to find you some better deals if that's what he's charging you.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 02:48 PM
Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

Up until two months ago the DOT, EPA, and everyone else said that the only way to import them was through MotoRex and that they were not setting up new RI's etc... to import and legalize the vehicles.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:51 PM
ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 02:54 PM
Up until two months ago the DOT, EPA, and everyone else said that the only way to import them was through MotoRex and that they were not setting up new RI's etc... to import and legalize the vehicles.

I set up RB Motoring as an RI in the last 2 months. Not on the new list yet .

October 6,2003 .

RI # R-04-334 .

So you know what..... keep talking . You will start to dig yourself a hole.

Then I will be standing on the edge to fill it in- everytime you open your mouth.

I will break you down......

Consider it a warning to shut up . Otherwise I expose you to be the liar you are....

BlueDragon871
12-25-2003, 03:00 PM
ladies please dont fight skylines are here all night lol just kidding but ya you both make some very very great points, it looks like cam was winning and tyn comes back wit sum johnny cochran stuff its great i luv it

Hey cam you see this "Helping ? Business is all about HELPING . Did I miss something about capitalism ?"
cam u see that capatilism is about helping lol and blocking kids like me from talking to you and learning about the world around me isnt helping me learn anything so i think you should unblock me, you still got a customer in me damn lol

Capatalism at its finest, and i still need an r32 gtr people for cheap cheap cheap

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:01 PM
We'll see how much of a liar I am months from now when my cars are priced 10k less than yours...Keep being an asshole Sean, it's not going to get you anywhere.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:07 PM
You know what...you can combine what Sean does with Motorex and save your self from going broke all at once. Just buy a skyline for 22grand from japan and keep it at your house or some warehouse....don't drive it...dont do shit. Just wait and save up your money until you have enough to send it to motorex and have them legalize it for 25 grand..

I only talk about Skyline GT-R's . The other Skylines are a waste of time to import to the US

I highly doubt you could by a R34 Skyline GT-R for $22,000 in Japan unless its wrecked and not fixed or stolen . Other Skyline GT-R's prices depend on the car , mileage and condition.

R32 GT-R's IN JAPAN around $8,000 for a ratted out car to $40,000+ for a very low mileage 1994 Vspec II.

R33 GT-R's IN JAPAN anywhere from $12,000 - $30,000 for most of the normal ones. Some special editions are more.

R34 GT-R's around $30,000 - $60,000 depending on what it is.

Legalization for GT-R's from Motorex $16,000 for R32 , $17,000 for pre OBD-II R33 , and $25,000 for R34.

Now thats some facts about pricing. Try and get it straight with the next posts you put up.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:10 PM
We'll see how much of a liar I am months from now when my cars are priced 10k less than yours...Keep being an asshole Sean, it's not going to get you anywhere.


I am an asshole because people like you make me one.


First you say that NO ONE could become an RI in the last few months . and I tell you that RB Motoring became an RI......

Whats your response to that ?

As far as cars being $10k less a few months from now..... ha ha....


Who are you kidding ? Do you know anything about the legalization process ?

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:10 PM
LMAO $40,000 for a 1994 Vspec II with low mileage...yeah, when I was there last sifting through the Japanese autotrader...saw these vehicles for about $12,000-$15,000 MAX Vspec II....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new. Guess I'll just have to bring back a Japanese Autotrader when I come back from Japan next to show a few prices to prove what a crock of crap that 40k is.

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:12 PM
I said, (you may read it again) up until about 2 months ago, the DOT, EPA etc.. were not accepting any new RI's for LEGALIZATION of Skylines...there were words tossed back and forth and finally they gave up and gave acceptance. It's not any new idea for me that YOU got RB Motoring setup...for God's sake, you were a founder of MotoRex...pull a few strings here and there, call a buddy, you're gold...

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:14 PM
Do I know anything about the legalization processes etc.... Let me think about this one. If you're making $500 a car, and based on the fact that you probably sell about 2-3 a month because of your pricing, you would NOT be in this business. MARKUP...Even if you're making $2k a car...it's still not worth it because you have employees, initial costs, overhead etc... so don't feed me a line of bullshit "we don't make hardly anything" and that my prices can't beat yours...I'd beg to differ since my pricing on Skylines from what you're posting is a bit less than what you are paying if what you are posting is correct.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:20 PM
to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.


Ok. See now I go though and continue to break you down. Expose you for lies and misinformation.

You say that you are going to be selling cars for 10K less than me . Ok fine.


You are waiting on the facilities and funds . Like how I am waiting on winning the lottery. Talk about giving yourself some creditbility.

You are not an RI . You don't have a facility . You dont have the funds.

So you are going to sell cars for $10k less than me and you dont have any money ,and you dont have a place.

Try living in the real world. You are nothing but a KID with pipe dreams.

Go back and complain about me to your MOMMY.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:22 PM
....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new. .

The last brand new R34 GT-R was made August 2002.


Keep talking . Like I said - I will fill you in.

BlueDragon871
12-25-2003, 03:22 PM
and sean do u hvae a screen name and if so u think i can have it ?

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:28 PM
You have some of the most juvenile responses I have ever heard. You aer sounding like a 3 year old "I told you so, I told you so. Neener neener neener..." Breaking me down? You've gotta be kidding.

I am NOT an RI...correct, I will become a RI...don't get me started. If you're waiting for the lottery, that's fine with me. We are moving into a temporary 6500 square foot warehouse right now...we have a building on order that needs to be constructed, lifts put into the buildings, etc... Sorry that I have to wait for everything to be complete before I will have an approved facility.

I don't have the funds right now to crash test about 3 or 4 Skylines. I have millionaire backers in the US and Canada that are waiting till the facility is in place and the RI is approved, then comes the money for all of the 6 months process I will be going through since I don't have Appendix A or whatever you said you had. I do, however, have funds available to import about 50 R32 Skylines...I am just choosing not to at this time.

I am nothing but a kid with pipe dreams...yet I started my own company from nothing, have great suppliers in japan, a good business going already, and everything in place to SHUT YOU UP in the near future. Keep wishing that all I have are pipe dreams, but I act upon my dreams and make them into reality instead of piggy-backing off of someone else's work.

NIGHT

Ok. See now I go though and continue to break you down. Expose you for lies and misinformation.

You say that you are going to be selling cars for 10K less than me . Ok fine.


You are waiting on the facilities and funds . Like how I am waiting on winning the lottery. Talk about giving yourself some creditbility.

You are not an RI . You don't have a facility . You dont have the funds.

So you are going to sell cars for $10k less than me and you dont have any money ,and you dont have a place.

Try living in the real world. You are nothing but a KID with pipe dreams.

Go back and complain about me to your MOMMY.

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:32 PM
....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new.


http://www.nissan-global.com/GCC/Japan/NEWS/20000828_0e.html

Skyline GT-R (,000 yen)
Grade Drive configuration Engine Transmission Tokyo / Nagoya / Osaka Fukuoka
GT-R V-spec II 4WD RB26DETT 6MT 5,748 5,777
N1 6,098 6,127
GT-R 5,048 5,077


If you can make sense of that . For a GT-R August 28,2000 .

GT-R 5,048,000 yen
VspecII 5,748,000 yen

BlueDragon871
12-25-2003, 03:34 PM
and sean is it alright if i get ur sn so i can ask you questions, some people dont like it when u ask too many ques so im gonna ask you before i im you, and cam wats ur sn again

tyndago
12-25-2003, 03:38 PM
My SN is tyndago - but I am not logged on today.

Jetts
12-25-2003, 03:40 PM
i just realized something
are you the same night that scammed like 12 people out of motor swaps on nico?
i would believe sean and go with his company over yours even tho he is 10k more expensive, you get what you pay for. and if you are the same night tha scammed nico i hope no one ever buys anything from you

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:41 PM
GT-R...5,080,000 yen....with today's exchange rate, that's $47,000 dollars. With the exchange rate back in 2002, that same 5,080,000 yen was roughly $42,500 (120 yen per dollar, vs the 107 yen per dollar now)....Vspec was about $48,000...what explanation is needed here Sean? Can you not do math?

NightXCZ77
12-25-2003, 03:43 PM
NightXCZ77 is the SN on AOL...not logged on either. No, I did not SCAM anyone on NICO. Their engines are all being delivered and sent out accordingly. The person that was the Scammer Was ROB at RJC Trading up in the Seattle area....

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