I've read through about 4 or 5 posts now about importing Skylines and RazorGTR coming to close all of them or tell people off (no offense to you).

Importing a Skyline is not hard if you know what you are doing and have the mind to do it like I do. I have imported about 5 Skylines thus far into the US, however, not legal for street use. We do it in a completely legal manner so that in a year from now you don't have to send it back to Japan. Despite what many think, Skylines pass emissions...they do have catalytic converters on them stock (atleast the ones I import do). I just delivered a Beautiful R33 GTS-T to a customer in El Paso, TX.

He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.

MOTOREX is not the only company who can bring these things in...and no, MotoRex did not do any crash testing, or any other BS stuff that they will tell you. A company by the name of JK Motors did everything for them, then MotoRex paid the bill and thus they have the information. People like myself and a partner of mine have all of that information (majority can be found on the web)...and the DOT has accepted new applications for importing and legalizing Skylines since they were threatened with aiding a Monopoly...soon you will see several RI's popping up with legalization privelages for Skylines...I know two personally right now that are about 30 days away....

Anyhow, just thought I would let you guys know that it is possible to import them, although you military guys can't just send it over cause you're privelaged or whatever...it doesn't work that way. Anything unloaded in customs gets sent to a RI as a whole car...unless you know how to get around it.

Night
sales@night7racing.com

No one ever said Motorex was the only company that could import Skylines. No one that was properly informed, anyway.;) Motorex is the only company thus far that can legalize them.

He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.

Where is the legalization process in all of this? Can this car in El Paso be registered if it hasn't been legalized? There is much more to the car being legal than just emissions. You'll find quite a few things that need to be done in the information that has been found on the Internet. Insuring the cars isn't too hard. There are several options for that.

If more RIs step up to the plate and get DOT approval to import and legalize Skylines, then fine. It's just that no one else has completed the process yet, including RB Motoring.

No offense taken.

Simply put I would like to see others (RI's) or whomever be able to legalize these cars there, BUT until there is proof I have to stick with what is known.
Not what is just said on a forums. There have been tosser after tosser after tosser who claims this and that. yet people continually get stuck and wind up in the shit because of it.
i find it very hard to believe someone has actually legalized it without MotoRex. As I know of currently they are the only ones. RBMotoring are working on the paperwork to be able to do it. Once finalized they will be added to the list.

You send me PROOF, in the next 3 days and all is cool, if not this thread goes and so do you. Simply put and don't take it personal, I've had a guts full of hollow promisses, and people claiming this and that. They either put up or, well they're banned. I will not tolerate nor will I accept anyone giving false information as such.

As I've said "I REALLY WANT OTHERS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT". If and when I do decide to come back to the states I want to bring my GTR with me full stop. I will in the mean time compile viable information until such time weeding out the shit and bullshitters as I go.

You can call me hard, an asshole, hell a dirty son of a bitch. I honestly don't care, but everyone knows I am fair and EVERYONE is on a level playing field. They play by the rules or they can play somewhere else.

For the rest of the forums users. Unless you have something important to add you DAMN WELL BETTER not. i don't want this thread turning into a shit slinging or post whoring one! Be forwarned! I've said what needs to be said but I am sure someone like Sami, Sean Morris etc can shed a bit more light. I've made this a sticky in the mean time.

The only company that I have heard of that brings in Skylines and legalizes them other than MotoRex is Fuel Imports out of Florida. I have not checked their credentials to see if they are legit or not, but they swear up and down to have legalized over 60 Skylines this year and that they will be on the revised RI list when it is released...I guess they say that they are big over in the UK.

The cars I import are not legalized, however, my buyer in El Paso is currently going through the process to register it without legalization...of which I am fairly well aware of. There are always loopholes through everything...many companies don't want others to find out because of competition reasons...I can understand that. Razor - if you need proof that I have actually brought in Skylines to the US, you are free to email me at sales@night7racing.com I don't have anything to hide (except my process) and don't BS about this kind of stuff - there'd be no point. For anyone that wanted to see this beautiful car...here's a pic of it:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4932

Night

I've heard of this Fuel Imports. The last I heard was they were going through MotoRex for the legalization process then passing on they were doing it themselves. How true it is or not has not be 100% confirmed hence my leaving them off of the places to go for legalization.

From what you are saying this cap in El Paso will or could very well get himself into a big pot of trouble. The main problem is you can't pawn these cars off as custom built, home build, etc to bypass the laws they are too well known about.

On the Fuel Import place they can claim what they want, fact is if they have done that many i am sure more than one magazine would have covered it by now as some sort of confirmation. This in turn would get around like wild fire. So far, this is only my personal opinion on them is they sound no different then Omega who turned out to be nothing more than a money pit for a lot of people with promisses which they could not keep.

Bringing in a Skyline or any other car isn't a major. Getting it legalized is. That is where the proof is needed. I hope you can understand I am only looking after everyone that views these boards, and they asperations of actually owning one of these cars.

You're right, there are quite a few laws...and he doesn't face any trouble either. It is not as hard as you may think to get one of these vehicles registered. There are different loopholes and clauses that make it fairly simple if you know what you are doing. I didn't start this thread as saying that I import legal Skylines...I just said that I have imported them and sold them. I don't legalize them in any ways, I just sell them to people who want to have a Skyline for a cheaper price. This also allows them to go out and try to register it (out of every Skyline I've sold, I have never had one person come back and say they couldn't register it)...or keep it as a show car/permit driven car, whatever.

90% of people working for the DOT or DMV have no clue what a Skyline is...makes it fairly simple in that respect to register them. More than half of Americans don't know what Skylines are...most people that work for Nissan here in America don't know what Skylines are except the ones that play Grand Tourismo...

Bringing in these cars isn't an easy task either...if it were, there would be thousands of non-legalized Skylines here in the US...and that's not the case.

Fuel Imports supposedly bought out another RI down in FL...they don't market or focus much on the US market, or so they say....anyhow, I think they are pretty sketchy myself, but you never know until you see the permits and lisences.

Night

All you gotta do is IM me sometime lol...simple as that. Or shoot me an email - sales@night7racing.com I'll talk to anyone =o)

It is not as hard as you may think to get one of these vehicles registered. There are different loopholes and clauses that make it fairly simple if you know what you are doing. I didn't start this thread as saying that I import legal Skylines...I just said that I have imported them and sold them. I don't legalize them in any ways, I just sell them to people who want to have a Skyline for a cheaper price. This also allows them to go out and try to register it (out of every Skyline I've sold, I have never had one person come back and say they couldn't register it)...or keep it as a show car/permit driven car, whatever.


It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars

It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars
i hope you were kidding about reporting him

Not all all kidding. I have done it before . I will do it again.

The only people he is hurting is the people that buy the cars from him.

When something happens to their car , or they try and sell it to someone else , they are the ones going to be stuck with an illegal car.

He doesn't care , he sold the car . He got his money.

oh ive never thought about that part....

but dont they just transfer the title??...i thoguth it would be easy...

but anyways.... you are not going to be revealing what is needed to legalize a skyline are you??

its worth asking! lol :-)

oh ya night im cancunman87 ahahahah :)

oh ive never thought about that part....

but dont they just transfer the title??...i thoguth it would be easy...

Come to California and try to do that. I have been on the end of the phone with several people with cars that had been imported and never legalized.

Cars that have been in 3-4 states prior to coming to California . Then they try and register the car in California and they are not able to.

So what do you do . You paid good money for a car . Now its 3,4,5 years later . Maybe you are the 2nd or 3rd owner since the car was imported.

Now you the current owner have to pay the $6500 - $25,000 to legalize this car. Sure would have made a difference when you paid for the car right ?

So now you are defauded out of the sale . If you sell the car to someone , knowing its not legal , then you are liable.

WHAT DO YOU DO ?

See you all sit there in front of the computer and talk about this , dream about that , but in the real world I have had to help out some of these people.

It is illegal to do what you are doing. You are bypassing Federal Laws.

Consider yourself reported to the DOT , EPA , and customs service.

Thanks for all the information in your profile . Will make it much easier to track you down.

City El Mirage
Real Name Cameron
State Arizona
Zip Code 85335
Occupation Building Cars

I do not bypass any federal laws and everything I do is 100% legal and by the books. I have all of my entries filed 100% correct and all of my vehicles approved 100%.

I do not sell vehicles for road use, I sell them for offroad use only. If I sold them to the customer without telling them that they will have problems registering the vehicles etc...if they so choose to and if they did not know exactly what was happening with the cars, then I would be misleading them, but I am not. Every person ever to order a vehicle from me knows the same thing: 1) These are JDM Vehicles. 2) They are sold for off-road use only. 3) If they choose to try and register the car, they may run into many complications.

Sean - are you intimidated because people would buy these cars instead of paying your ass $50k over what they sell for in Japan because you "supposedly" have all of this research? More like you paid JK Motors and have since had a Monopoly with MotoRex...give me a break. You can report me all you want, but I am 100% within my rights and what I do is 100% legal. If you don't like that, then I am sorry. If you would like to make me your new target for attacking - bring it on.

Cameron

Now you the current owner have to pay the $6500 - $25,000 to legalize this car. Sure would have made a difference when you paid for the car right ?

So now you are defauded out of the sale . If you sell the car to someone , knowing its not legal , then you are liable.

WHAT DO YOU DO ?

See you all sit there in front of the computer and talk about this , dream about that , but in the real world I have had to help out some of these people.


The cars are not illegal unless they are sold as being "road worthy and titled vehicles" and in fact they have no title and therefore cannot be driven on the road. If you are misleading and defrauding others, then you are liable. If you are truthful, write out contracts and correct bills of sale...you are protected.

The majority of people that purchase from me are people who are very rich and want a car that they can play with at the track, take to shows, and have looking pretty in their garage. Some people choose to drive these cars on the street...that's their choice. Once the cars leave my hands, I am no longer liable.

In the real world, SEAN, all you do is screw people out of hard-earned dollars. I'll be the first to say it. You and I both know that legalizing Skylines is no $16,000 task...in fact, it's no $10,000 task...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

You keep doing what you try and call "helping these people"...the DOT and EPA, NHTSA know that these cars are plenty road worthy for US roads....why haven't they allowed them for importation....it's pretty simple to me, and I'm sure most others have figured it out. All you care about is keeping your little market and stuffing 100g's (could be an exaggeration) in your pocket every month...no wonder you're so touchy.

Night

Actually, he probably doesn't make a wad of cash everyday, considering
a)are there like 100 sales each day? no.
b)is there time and work required to do this? yes.

we pay lawyers 500 dollars to think about some shit for 5 minutes. we pay premiums for things we want, everything from furby's to the new evo 8s.

i'm sure it's a great thing your doing, but shit, i'd rather fork over the money for something street legal, rather than hoping i run across redneck policemen everyday who can't tell the difference between a skyline and a civic.

the people who buy their skylines from motorex are wanting to drive their cars on the street legally. not everyone has the time or money to play around in a track. if they do, great for you. i'm sure we could recommend that person to you or whoever else is doing this. the rest of us will either have to pay up, keep dreaming, or import it ourself and bribe the customs guys..

while you're at it, why don't we all go and bitch to the guy from "king motorsports" in wisconson? he has a basic monopoly for readily available mugen parts for jdm freaks everywhere, and the prices he overcharges is no different than what happens here.

not criticizing you newhere, but come on, most of these would-be buyers are desperate for a car that can be seen as a basketball card. everyone has the normal cards... but when some guy pulls out some rare-ass rookie, a select few from that group are willing to pay as much for it as they can, others planning some way to steal it or make some copy of it, others just dream of it, and the rest either give up or keep buying packs to get the same one.

guess most of us will have to wait. :P

Hey Sean, Sorry to say it man. But you just got told. I guess im no one to accuse anyone of anything here. I couldnt give two shits what you do with your biz. If you wanna run a scam business, hey thats your deal. But you did get told :p

You know what...you can combine what Sean does with Motorex and save your self from going broke all at once. Just buy a skyline for 22grand from japan and keep it at your house or some warehouse....don't drive it...dont do shit. Just wait and save up your money until you have enough to send it to motorex and have them legalize it for 25 grand.

I saw a r34 V spec ready to be imported to US for 30,000, and it costs 25grand to get it legalized from Motorex. All together with taxes and fees and whatnot...you're looking at roughly 60grand....much better than paying Motorex or some other company 90+grand for the same thing. Also by importing it yourself...you don't have to worry about paying the full 60g all at once. you can legally keep the car...but can't drive it...so rent some sort of a garage where you can park your car safely....then may be in a year or so...get some financing then legalize it.

This is not proven...just a theory. If you like/dislike it tell me....I would love to know what you guys think. I would love to try it...but I don't have 30g to buy the skyline...so I will wait...then i'll do it if it's legal.

Raman B.

Ramen - good theory, however, that is not the case. If you bring in a Skyline through customs, they will not release it to you. They will put it in their own storage facility and make you pay fees (which in long beach are pretty damn high). They will not release the vehicle to anyone other than a RI who will legalize it. You have that option (paying their storage fee and paying legalization right there) or shipping it back to country of origin. If customs would release those vehicles to people with the "trust" that those people wouldn't drive them and would only save them to send to MotoRex in a year or two, I am sure you would see 100's of them all over the place in garages and those people driving them although they aren't supposed to. The only two ways to get these cars is 1, through an importer like myself as a NON-REGISTERED, NON-LEGALIZED vehicle for off-road use only...or through MotoRex.

Night

Sean....Well can't I bring it in as a show car??? They let you keep it then right and not let you drive it??? But if they really want to be bastards and not let me keep it at all and charge me money for it...I don't have to bring it to America. I can send it to India...my family is pretty rich there...and definately have enough space to keep 1 car. then when I have the money...bring it to america through Motorex. Do you think that could work?

Raman B.

Show cars can be driven I believe up to 2500 miles a year. The cars can be brought in for show or race purposes. There are stipulations that allow you to keep it for 1 year...I am not sure on whether or not they have longer terms....haven't looked into it that deeply. I am not Sean either...in case you got that confused. If you bought a car in Japan, you could send it to MotoRex to have it legalized then...then you'd pay whatever the costs were through them. They are the only ones that I know of currently able to legalize these vehicles. You can always try FuelImports down in FL...but get their credentials first and some references to verify that they have legalized these vehicles. From what I heard, MotoRex offered a large settlement for them to stop selling...they refused, but who knows what's true or what's not...MotoRex has claimed to have done these crash tests etc...when JK Motors did it...

Night

A nice link to check to see what RI's are listed on the NHTSA site. Now granted it has been updated since July of this year. Fuel Imports isn't listed.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

I know they aren't listed. They said that they bought out a different RI in FL. If you call the different RI's in FL....one of them has every number disconnected or not in service....sooooo? Who knows...they could be legit, but I haven't yet asked for their verification paperwork of which I should do...and get their lisence etc... approval letter from the NHTSA etc....

Night

If you would like to make me your new target for attacking - bring it on.



NightXCZ77 The only attacking I see is your attempts to discredit and spread largely false information about Sean and motorex.
Your agruments are flawed and irrational, and have contributed nothing useful.

Sean may be a bit defensive at times, but given the BS he has to put up with I dont blame him.
If you continue to add to that BS then you can consider yourself on a very short path to getting banned, a process that will follow you to every major automotive forum you care to visit.


If you can come up with some real facts to back up your alegations then please feel free to present them, but JK motoring, Motorex, RBmotoring and Sean have done nothing, even based on your own claims that is untoward in the modern bussiness world.
And, if you care to do a little research, even within this forum you will find plenty of refernces to the work done by JK motoring, Motorex and Sean regarding the legalisation process, inculding links to online copies of all the documentation required by, and supplied to the DOT, EPA and NHTSA regarding the crash testing and modification process.

And, if through experiance importing cars into the US from Japan you have something useful to add to the forums then please feel to do so, be it technical advice, or the sharing of general automotive knowledge.

But if your here for no purpose other than to put down and attack the reputation of a member who has proved his integrity, knowledge and willingness to help others here, in other forums and in real life, then I suggest you click here: to log out (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/login.php?do=logout)

Sean a quick Question for you. Has RBMotoring officially filed the paperwork for legalziation yet as well as importing?

I need to know for sure so i can add them to the list officially.

cheers

First off, the attacking I was speaking of is: "Consider yourself reported to blah blah blah." and "I've done it before, I'll do it again." Reason for this behavior - because I am doing something completely legal and he can't stand any competition? Come on here, you're a mod and I'm pretty sure you understand that concept.

Show me where I have spread FALSE information...please do. I have books 600+ pages long on being a RI, rules, regulations, the work of JK Motoring, the release papers from the NHTSA etc... We've read em, we've researched em, etc...

I have been of mod status on different forums before...I will be a Mod again...this is a forum I chose to come back to because just like 2 years ago when people said the RB25DET swap wasn't possible....I did it anyways, just like here people keep whining about having to pay MotoRex...cause they're the "only ones"...I do it as well. If you want to kick me off because I don't agree with Sean, MotoRex, or RBMotoring (same difference as Flashoptions and RacingHard)...then that's your choice. I'm not here to make an enemy with you.

I have spoken dozens of times with the DOT, EPA, etc... about this situation, spoken with many, many RI's in different states, spoken about 5 times with JK Motoring and their CEO...I think I have a little room to talk here and I doubt anyone else has done the same. The documents listed on line are partial...they are not at all complete...if they were, there would be 100 RI's doing Skylines right now piggy-backed off of MotoRex's crash testing data.

Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc... Razor and I have argued about them before and I have learned a little more from him. I have knowledge on them, but no one on this forum wants that, they want to know "HOW DO I GET A SKYLINE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH MOTOREX???" Last time I checked, helping is not charging $88,000 for a car that costs $15,000 in Japan, $1200 importation, $500 tariffs and customs...then whatever else for legalization...which has to be under $25k.

As I said before...I am spreading knowledge. I import things 100% legally and yet Sean wants to make it his personal agenda to notify the DOT and EPA that I am a legal importer within my rights and following all of the books correctly. I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.

Night

Excuse me for being selective here,


Integrity is not blatantly stealing money, integrity is sharing knowledge and not letting greed lead the way. I am knowledgeable on Skylines, Skyline engines etc...


If your going to claim theft is taking place then pleae show some proof.
Otherwise get over it, yes Skylines in the US are far far to over priced, and prehaps the margins are more than a little high, but you should consider moving to another country if you find the thought of a company trying to make a profit offensive.



I have knowledge to share and will continue to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.



So are you, or are you not currently an RI?
You claim to be importing, or to have imported cars, yet you seem unsure as to whether or not you are, or are working for an RI.

And if you have been through the process required to become a "Legalizer" then you will be able to give us a complete break down of the costs involved, from the legal costs, to the crash testing costs, and prove to us that it is a lot cheaper than JK and Motorex claim, and so offer some proof that they are infact over charging by an excessive amount.

However, and I have been reading a lot of your other posts, all Iv seen so far is a lot of rehtoric and heavily garnsihed opion.

Sitting here reading the diatribe , deciding wether I want to waste a couple hours of my life laying out exactly why you can not do what you are doing .

I too have read though all the rules and regulations. I have been participating in it since 1999. When was the last time any of you were in Washington ,DC at the DOT OVSC ?

I am not out to rob people , neither was Motorex , just trying to get a car in legally.

If there was another legal way , we would have used that other legal way.

The only legal way was for Motorex - at that time GT Motorcars to contract with JK Technologies to legalize the Skyline . Who do you think paid JK , and got the cars for them to crash test ? They came though ,and the money came from GT Motorcars /Motorex.

That information then became the exclusive property of GT Motorcars /Motorex. They paid their dues. They got the cars legal , in the legal way.

Don't whine about the money. The money is no excuse. I can say I like Ferraris , but I don't want to pay the money , so I STOLE one. It doesn't make the theft right.

Theft is an exaggeration relating to the costs that they charge. If you were sitting in a store in the US and buy a bottle of coke for $1, then later that day go across the border into Canada to go shopping (or whatever)...and there is only one store in the whole city you are in that sells coke....they charge $50 for the same bottle you just bought for a dollar...what would you call it? Just like gas prices in the US, many states have gouging laws...this really isn't much different except there aren't multiple companies doing the gouging. I don't take profit offensively...if there were no profit in the business, there'd be no point, but it's the point to which you take your greed that sets the standards for what kind of company you are.

I am not currently a RI. I have imported JDM vehicles through customs 100% legally. We will become a RI sometime during this upcoming year after our facility is complete and all petitions filed. We also have severe financial backing that will allow us to do the legalization process/crash testing and petition. When we become a RI, we will be solely legalizing cars, not selling any for off-road use.

If MotoRex won't give yuo the costs of legalizing, what makes you think I would? Once I have gone through all of the processes, that information will remain in a safe. It's very simple to weed through what needs to be done to these cars...and yes, they are overcharging. Last time I checked, it doesn't cost an extra $8-9k in order to wire in OBDII...but who am I to say that.

Night

THROUGH MOTOREX???" Last time I checked, helping is not charging $88,000 for a car that costs $15,000 in Japan, $1200 importation, $500 tariffs and customs...then whatever else for legalization...which has to be under $25k.


Helping ? Business is all about HELPING . Did I miss something about capitalism ?

HELPING ? How ridiculous does that sound ?

$15,000 what car - and charging $88,000 ? Get your facts straight.

Which exact Skyline can you buy for $15,000 and sell for $88,000 . You are exagerating .

R34's have always been artifically inflated . At first the cars were about $50,000 in Japan , and the selling price was $85,000 in the US.

Other cars - and I should know , because I sold , or was involved with the sale of most of them go for $27,000 - $50,000 range.

Show me one $15,000 car that was sold for $88,000 or SHUT UP.

Motorex charges between $16,000 - $25,000 to legalize a car.

Just like gas prices in the US, many states have gouging laws...this really isn't much different except there aren't multiple companies doing the gouging. I don't take profit offensively...if there were no profit in the business, there'd be no point, but it's the point to which you take your greed that sets the standards for what kind of company you are.


Well welcome to the real world . We will see what you have to charge for cars when you are not IMPORTING THEM ILLEGALLY.

I dont know what you see as a normal profit , but there is not as much money in this whole system as you think there is.

Especially if you have $30,000 tied up in a car . 10% , 20% , 30% . What covers your costs and expenses ?

How do you answer to your investors when you are making $500 on a car. And the $100k , $200k they invested in you is getting less return than a savings account.

Live in the real world - realize business requires money to work.

Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.

2. NONAPPLICATION This section does not apply to

1. the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment in good faith other than for resale;

2. a person

1. establishing that the person had no reason to know, despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or

2. holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment complies with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

3. a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and exported;

4. a motor vehicle the Secretary of Transportation decides under section 30141 of this title is capable of complying with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

5. a motor vehicle imported for personal use by an individual who receives an exemption under section 30142 of this title;

6. a motor vehicle under section 30143 of this title imported by an individual employed outside the United States;

7. a motor vehicle under section 30144 of this title imported on a temporary basis;

8. a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment under section 30145 of this title requiring further manufacturing; or

9. a motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old.

Exemptions to this rule.

Sec. 30113. General exemptions

1. DEFINITION In this section, "low-emission motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle meeting the standards for new motor vehicles applicable to the vehicle under section 202 of the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7521) when the vehicle is manufactured and emitting an air pollutant in an amount significantly below one of those standards.

2. AUTHORITY TO EXEMPT AND PROCEDURES

1. The Secretary of Transportation may exempt, on a temporary basis, motor vehicles from a motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter on terms the Secretary considers appropriate. An exemption may be renewed. A renewal may be granted only on reapplication and must conform to the requirements of this subsection.

2. The Secretary may begin a proceeding under this subsection when a manufacturer applies for an exemption or a renewal of an exemption. The Secretary shall publish notice of the application and provide an opportunity to comment. An application for an exemption or for a renewal of an exemption shall be filed at a time and in the way, and contain information, this section and the Secretary require.

3. The Secretary may act under this subsection on finding that

1. an exemption is consistent with the public interest and this chapter; and

2.

1. compliance with the standard would cause substantial economic hardship to a manufacturer that has tried to comply with the standard in good faith;

2. the exemption would make easier the development or field evaluation of a new motor vehicle safety feature providing a safety level at least equal to the safety level of the standard;

3. the exemption would make the development or field evaluation of a low-emission motor vehicle easier and would not unreasonably lower the safety level of that vehicle; or

4. compliance with the standard would prevent the manufacturer from selling a motor vehicle with an overall safety level at least equal to the overall safety level of nonexempt vehicles.

Special Exemptions

Sec. 30114. Special exemptions

The Secretary of Transportation may exempt a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment from section 30112(a) of this title on terms the Secretary decides are necessary for research, investigations, demonstrations, training, or competitive racing events.

Theres the reason why he can not import and sell a non-complying vehicle.

No matter what he says.

There are the rules for the exemptions that are allowed.

If the cars he is importing do not meet one of the exemption requirements , then he is ILLEGALLY importing and SELLING vehicles.

Any idiot can import cars. Getting them legal is the hard part.

Theft is an exaggeration relating to the costs that they charge. If you were sitting in a store in the US and buy a bottle of coke for $1, then later that day go across the border into Canada to go shopping (or whatever)...and there is only one store in the whole city you are in that sells coke....they charge $50 for the same bottle you just bought for a dollar...what would you call it?

Excersise your rights as a consumer and you don't buy the $50 bottle of coke in Canada.

Wow. That was easy wasn't it .


Complaining based only on price is not a valid arguement.


Capitalism . Go out setup your own business. Don't illegally import them as you are now .

Don't talk about becoming an RI - become one. So many people talk.... TALK...TALK...TALK....TALK.

Action gets stuff done. Show some action or SHUT UP. I am so sick of people talking .

The last 4 years . All people do is talk. Complain about prices , but not one single person has the BALLS to do it legally. To go up against Motorex.

NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. Sure you talk now.... but lets talk about a countless number of emails / message boards FULL of people that were going to do this or that.

Invisible companies like Omega Skylines , Speed53 , Fuel Imports.

I have talked to people that were screwed out of money by Omega Skylines. I have had to help people that have had cars that were never legalized , and then they tried to legalize in California.

I dont know how many more times , or how many ways I am going to have to break you down , but I can and I will .

Hey Sean, Sorry to say it man. But you just got told. I guess im no one to accuse anyone of anything here. I couldnt give two shits what you do with your biz. If you wanna run a scam business, hey thats your deal. But you did get told :p

I got told ? Ha . How about giving me 5 minutes to make a response.

You know you are right - YOU are "NO ONE" to accuse anyone of anything.

The importing business is not a scam. Its done under rules and regulations of the government. The DOT , NHTSA , OVSC.

If you want to see things change . Get the importation and legalization rules changed.

Bill Gates got it changed for the "Show or Display" exemption. Where do you think that came from ? Bill Gates and his 959.

ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

Sean - I don't import complete cars, so, what I do is 100% legal. I do not sell the cars as "vehicles" either, so you can scratch that out of your categories. You know different ways to import vehicles as non-vehicles etc... etc... etc... you're not an idiot. I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I do as well as far as bringing them in is concerned.

I talk now, I build funds, I bring it all to life later. If I had a few hundred thousand to play with right now, I'd be all over this thing, but I don't. We will have the funds available early in the year from our investors and we will have the facilities setup in February or Early March.

The $88,000 vehicle was a R33 GT-R. I've been to Japan, I know what they cost over there. Unless you guys buy all of the highest priced Skylines in Japan, these ones normally are not near $27k at all...and you know that. Get Hiro to find you some better deals if that's what he's charging you.

Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

Up until two months ago the DOT, EPA, and everyone else said that the only way to import them was through MotoRex and that they were not setting up new RI's etc... to import and legalize the vehicles.

ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...only reason you do is because of your Monopoly which could be taken to court at any day or time because the DOT has allowed it and protected you, as has JK Motors, the NHTSA, and the EPA...should I report you to the attorney general and federal commision and make this a huge case over how 1 person who started a company and then left that company created a Monopoly...and now that 1 person is trying to get that all going again to compete against his old company so there won't be a monopoly because of some "gentlemens agreement"....

Blah , Blah , Blah . Be more of a windbag...... How about some action ? Talk to the attoney general . Come on BOY . Talk to anyone . Motorex is not a monopoly . ANYONE can do what they did . They have protected information , which is allowed. Its not patented , its just confidential information to protect their business interests. Something totally legal.

Anyone , can do the same thing. Motorex is not blocking anyone . They are not cornering the market . Hardly . Learn rules , learn regulations , then make posts . Otherwise again - SHUT UP.

Actions BOY. Take some ACTIONS , before you go and through out some worthless threats.

Up until two months ago the DOT, EPA, and everyone else said that the only way to import them was through MotoRex and that they were not setting up new RI's etc... to import and legalize the vehicles.

I set up RB Motoring as an RI in the last 2 months. Not on the new list yet .

October 6,2003 .

RI # R-04-334 .

So you know what..... keep talking . You will start to dig yourself a hole.

Then I will be standing on the edge to fill it in- everytime you open your mouth.

I will break you down......

Consider it a warning to shut up . Otherwise I expose you to be the liar you are....

ladies please dont fight skylines are here all night lol just kidding but ya you both make some very very great points, it looks like cam was winning and tyn comes back wit sum johnny cochran stuff its great i luv it

Hey cam you see this "Helping ? Business is all about HELPING . Did I miss something about capitalism ?"
cam u see that capatilism is about helping lol and blocking kids like me from talking to you and learning about the world around me isnt helping me learn anything so i think you should unblock me, you still got a customer in me damn lol

Capatalism at its finest, and i still need an r32 gtr people for cheap cheap cheap

We'll see how much of a liar I am months from now when my cars are priced 10k less than yours...Keep being an asshole Sean, it's not going to get you anywhere.

You know what...you can combine what Sean does with Motorex and save your self from going broke all at once. Just buy a skyline for 22grand from japan and keep it at your house or some warehouse....don't drive it...dont do shit. Just wait and save up your money until you have enough to send it to motorex and have them legalize it for 25 grand..

I only talk about Skyline GT-R's . The other Skylines are a waste of time to import to the US

I highly doubt you could by a R34 Skyline GT-R for $22,000 in Japan unless its wrecked and not fixed or stolen . Other Skyline GT-R's prices depend on the car , mileage and condition.

R32 GT-R's IN JAPAN around $8,000 for a ratted out car to $40,000+ for a very low mileage 1994 Vspec II.

R33 GT-R's IN JAPAN anywhere from $12,000 - $30,000 for most of the normal ones. Some special editions are more.

R34 GT-R's around $30,000 - $60,000 depending on what it is.

Legalization for GT-R's from Motorex $16,000 for R32 , $17,000 for pre OBD-II R33 , and $25,000 for R34.

Now thats some facts about pricing. Try and get it straight with the next posts you put up.

We'll see how much of a liar I am months from now when my cars are priced 10k less than yours...Keep being an asshole Sean, it's not going to get you anywhere.


I am an asshole because people like you make me one.


First you say that NO ONE could become an RI in the last few months . and I tell you that RB Motoring became an RI......

Whats your response to that ?

As far as cars being $10k less a few months from now..... ha ha....


Who are you kidding ? Do you know anything about the legalization process ?

LMAO $40,000 for a 1994 Vspec II with low mileage...yeah, when I was there last sifting through the Japanese autotrader...saw these vehicles for about $12,000-$15,000 MAX Vspec II....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new. Guess I'll just have to bring back a Japanese Autotrader when I come back from Japan next to show a few prices to prove what a crock of crap that 40k is.

I said, (you may read it again) up until about 2 months ago, the DOT, EPA etc.. were not accepting any new RI's for LEGALIZATION of Skylines...there were words tossed back and forth and finally they gave up and gave acceptance. It's not any new idea for me that YOU got RB Motoring setup...for God's sake, you were a founder of MotoRex...pull a few strings here and there, call a buddy, you're gold...

Do I know anything about the legalization processes etc.... Let me think about this one. If you're making $500 a car, and based on the fact that you probably sell about 2-3 a month because of your pricing, you would NOT be in this business. MARKUP...Even if you're making $2k a car...it's still not worth it because you have employees, initial costs, overhead etc... so don't feed me a line of bullshit "we don't make hardly anything" and that my prices can't beat yours...I'd beg to differ since my pricing on Skylines from what you're posting is a bit less than what you are paying if what you are posting is correct.

to do so...but I believe I have done a little more research on this matter beings that I have been deemed authorized by the DOT and EPA to become a Legalizer of Skylines should I wisht o start a RI and crash test ONE that passes....when we already knows what is to be done. We're just waiting on the facilities and the funds to start rolling at the first of the year.


Ok. See now I go though and continue to break you down. Expose you for lies and misinformation.

You say that you are going to be selling cars for 10K less than me . Ok fine.


You are waiting on the facilities and funds . Like how I am waiting on winning the lottery. Talk about giving yourself some creditbility.

You are not an RI . You don't have a facility . You dont have the funds.

So you are going to sell cars for $10k less than me and you dont have any money ,and you dont have a place.

Try living in the real world. You are nothing but a KID with pipe dreams.

Go back and complain about me to your MOMMY.

....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new. .

The last brand new R34 GT-R was made August 2002.


Keep talking . Like I said - I will fill you in.

and sean do u hvae a screen name and if so u think i can have it ?

You have some of the most juvenile responses I have ever heard. You aer sounding like a 3 year old "I told you so, I told you so. Neener neener neener..." Breaking me down? You've gotta be kidding.

I am NOT an RI...correct, I will become a RI...don't get me started. If you're waiting for the lottery, that's fine with me. We are moving into a temporary 6500 square foot warehouse right now...we have a building on order that needs to be constructed, lifts put into the buildings, etc... Sorry that I have to wait for everything to be complete before I will have an approved facility.

I don't have the funds right now to crash test about 3 or 4 Skylines. I have millionaire backers in the US and Canada that are waiting till the facility is in place and the RI is approved, then comes the money for all of the 6 months process I will be going through since I don't have Appendix A or whatever you said you had. I do, however, have funds available to import about 50 R32 Skylines...I am just choosing not to at this time.

I am nothing but a kid with pipe dreams...yet I started my own company from nothing, have great suppliers in japan, a good business going already, and everything in place to SHUT YOU UP in the near future. Keep wishing that all I have are pipe dreams, but I act upon my dreams and make them into reality instead of piggy-backing off of someone else's work.

NIGHT

Ok. See now I go though and continue to break you down. Expose you for lies and misinformation.

You say that you are going to be selling cars for 10K less than me . Ok fine.


You are waiting on the facilities and funds . Like how I am waiting on winning the lottery. Talk about giving yourself some creditbility.

You are not an RI . You don't have a facility . You dont have the funds.

So you are going to sell cars for $10k less than me and you dont have any money ,and you dont have a place.

Try living in the real world. You are nothing but a KID with pipe dreams.

Go back and complain about me to your MOMMY.

....retail on a R34 GT-R is $45k roughly...brand new.


http://www.nissan-global.com/GCC/Japan/NEWS/20000828_0e.html

Skyline GT-R (,000 yen)
Grade Drive configuration Engine Transmission Tokyo / Nagoya / Osaka Fukuoka
GT-R V-spec II 4WD RB26DETT 6MT 5,748 5,777
N1 6,098 6,127
GT-R 5,048 5,077


If you can make sense of that . For a GT-R August 28,2000 .

GT-R 5,048,000 yen
VspecII 5,748,000 yen

and sean is it alright if i get ur sn so i can ask you questions, some people dont like it when u ask too many ques so im gonna ask you before i im you, and cam wats ur sn again

My SN is tyndago - but I am not logged on today.

i just realized something
are you the same night that scammed like 12 people out of motor swaps on nico?
i would believe sean and go with his company over yours even tho he is 10k more expensive, you get what you pay for. and if you are the same night tha scammed nico i hope no one ever buys anything from you

GT-R...5,080,000 yen....with today's exchange rate, that's $47,000 dollars. With the exchange rate back in 2002, that same 5,080,000 yen was roughly $42,500 (120 yen per dollar, vs the 107 yen per dollar now)....Vspec was about $48,000...what explanation is needed here Sean? Can you not do math?

NightXCZ77 is the SN on AOL...not logged on either. No, I did not SCAM anyone on NICO. Their engines are all being delivered and sent out accordingly. The person that was the Scammer Was ROB at RJC Trading up in the Seattle area....

i consider paying money in full and waiting like 6 months with very little contact with the people a scam
well im definitly not buying anything from you
now that i know you are the same night

Like I said...you need to show me the money before I do anything. Sean - giving out your SN will open up a whole new world lol...off the record

I've had full contact for the whole time minus 1 month when I was switching phone services and didn't have good internet access...sorry if you think that's a scam, but sometimes things happen to people....can't really help when it comes.

all those things were choices made by you, didnt happen out of the blue
but yea whatever it didnt hurt me in any way just wanted to throw that out there and tell everyone what is up

am NOT an RI...correct, I will become a RI...don't get me started.

Becoming an RI is easy. I set up Motorex as an RI . I set up RB as an RI.

I don't have the funds right now to crash test about 3 or 4 Skylines. I have millionaire backers in the US and Canada that are waiting till the facility is in place and the RI is approved,

OHHHH . I see . You have millionaire backers. I see . Damn I shouldnt have been so stupid to question you . Its not everyone that can SAY they have millionaire backers.


then comes the money for all of the 6 months process I will be going through since I don't have Appendix A or whatever you said you had. I do, however,

6 months . Your sorely mistaken . Look at the dates on the Skyline petition. When was the first crash test ? Sep 1998 . When was the petition submitted ? April 1999 . When was the petition approved ? January 2000.

That was under a completely different set of people at the DOT.

When was the last petition you put into the DOT ? Mine was the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII , and VIII . I put it into the DOT Feb 2003 . The petitons were published in September ,2003 . 30 day comment period . Then responses to the publication. I am still working on this. Go ahead - look it up on DMS web. So its been more than 10 months and no ruling.

Are you going to file your crash test information as "confidential " ?

After you spend all this money to crash test ?

We will see what happens to your "millionAIRe backers" . Probably a lot more AIR than million.

have funds available to import about 50 R32 Skylines...I am just choosing not to at this time.

So you dont have money to crash test cars. But you have enough funds available to buy 50 R32's ?

Does anything about this sound wrong to anyone else out there ?

and everything in place to SHUT YOU UP in the near future. Keep wishing that all I have are pipe dreams, but I act upon my dreams and make them into reality instead of piggy-backing off of someone else's work.

Cool . I look forward to a challenge. HA HA HA HA HA HA...

Funny . You sound just the same as 50 people before you. I wish I kept every email , or forum post from everyone.....

You KIDS are so funny these days.

If you want to take an action - how about we go back to that monopoly stuff . And report Motorex to the attorney general ?

Since you are not an RI now , have no facilities , but you have millionAIRe backers , and the funds to buy 50 R32's right now.

Like I said...you need to show me the money before I do anything. Sean - giving out your SN will open up a whole new world lol...off the record


I have nothing to hide . If people want to talk . You can call me at RB Motoring .

626 961 9213 .

I dont have time everyday for IM .

I already talk to plenty of people via IM. Its listed in my profile.

I use the same name everywhere.

Like I said nothing to hide.

R32's are cheap....those funds would not pay for all crash testing and petitioning etc... The cars themselves cost about as much as a twinkie at 7 Eleven...Since the Skyline is already a petitioned and approved vehicle in the US, if you petition after succesfully making the car legal, you will be issued authorization as a sublet to MotoRex's approval...or so I have been told by the DOT. They gave the ETA of the Skyline 6 months instead of 2 years as it was originally because most of the work has already been completed and the DOT has all of the information.

Ok I did a bit of pruning in this thread. To those who are involved Sean (tyndago), and Night carry on.
The rest I would advise NOT posting in this thread unless you have VIABLE information to add. I've already banned one user I have no qualms on doing it over and over.
I've got ZERO tolerance right now to see this thread turn into a postwhored one as it is too GOD DAMN IMPORTANT !

NO FUTHER WARNINGS, YOU WILL BE BANNED.

Whole new world via IM meant that Cancunman will IM you every 5 minutes of every day...he has good intentions, but takes them too far upon occasion...although those people exist all over.

GT-R...5,080,000 yen....with today's exchange rate, that's $47,000 dollars. With the exchange rate back in 2002, that same 5,080,000 yen was roughly $42,500 (120 yen per dollar, vs the 107 yen per dollar now)....Vspec was about $48,000...what explanation is needed here Sean? Can you not do math?

I still want to know where you are going to find a "brand new" R34 GT-R for approximately $45,000

I can do the math fine. Except that press release was 2000 . We can go back to 2000 and split hairs on exchange rates.

We can talk about things like 5% tax , we can talk about lots of things.

But good luck finding a brand new R34 for $45,000.

There may be some . But anything brand new would be a Vspec II Nur . And look up the retail prices on those.

623-326-7295 - My direct line attached to my pocket at almost all times. Feel free as well.

I said they retailed brand new at $45,000. Finding a brand new Skyline now is not an easy task since they were stopped almost 2 years ago from assembly lines. Americans have a tax shelter in other countries, so even if you paid taxes there, you should be able to get it back, however, imporation taxes apply but are of a very small percentage.

R32's are cheap....those funds would not pay for all crash testing and petitioning etc... The cars themselves cost about as much as a twinkie at 7 Eleven...

R32 GT-R's ? Or just R32's .

As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.

So lets talk some numbers....

R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000

R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .

Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.

For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.

Finding a brand new Skyline now is not an easy task since they were stopped almost 2 years ago from assembly lines.

So now its "not an easy" task to find a brand new R34. But you said before you could get one for $45,000 . Man dig , dig , dig.

Americans have a tax shelter in other countries, so even if you paid taxes there, you should be able to get it back, however, imporation taxes apply but are of a very small percentage.

All is good in theory. Good luck getting it back in the real world. Been tried.

How many brand new GT-R's did you buy in Japan and send to the US ?

Oh I can probably answer that ..... None since the millionAIRe backers were not behind you yet.

ask...then marking them up (R32's) 1000%...not justifiable either...o


1000%. Lets break that down to real numbers. Rather than just stuff you exaggerate.

$2000 x 1000% = $20,000.

$8000 x 1000% = $80,000

$47,000 x 1000% = $470,000



Ever see an R32 for $80,000 being sold by me ?


So we established a new R34 GT-R in 2000 money with the exchange rate was around $47,000 . Did you ever see anyone selling a new R34 for $470,000 ?

$85,000 / $47,000 = 55% . That does not include tax. That does not include legalization. That does not include shipping. That does not include bonds.

You are going to be in for a rude wake up when you have to show your millionAIRe backers , your projections for sales and profits.

I said, (you may read it again) up until about 2 months ago, the DOT, EPA etc.. were not accepting any new RI's for LEGALIZATION of Skylines...there were words tossed back and forth and finally they gave up and gave acceptance. I.

Why ? I talked to them in Feburary . They had no problems with it then.

Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?

The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.

They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.

It's not any new idea for me that YOU got RB Motoring setup...for God's sake, you were a founder of MotoRex...pull a few strings here and there, call a buddy, you're gold...


You are sorely mistaken. I was not a founder of Motorex. I just did some contract work for them.

As far as "call a buddy" the DOT , OVSC has had a complete turnover since I started doing this. Luke Loy , George Entwistle , Dick Merritt , Kathy Rice.

All the people I delt with at first on the Skyline project are no longer there.

My name was no where near the RB Motoring information. I made no calls , I did no follow up. I helped out with the paperwork , and other requirements .

Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.
a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment

Anything to say about this ?

Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.

Let me break you off a little more there..

Then we will come back and break you off a little more in the RI side of this .

Heres another good one. Are you planning on selling any cars in California ?

If you are . Who are you going to use as a CARB certified lab ?

Probably never thought about that . Have to come up with something quick now.

Or "I never planned on selling cars in California" . Or something like that.

How about EPA ?

Who is your ICI ? Or are you going to become an ICI ?

You are probably sitting there going.... "whats an ICI ?"

Here you go - if you can't find it on google.

Independent Commercial Importer.

..or so I have been told by the DOT. They gave the ETA of the Skyline 6 months instead of 2 years as it was originally because most of the work has already been completed and the DOT has all of the information.


Ha ha . 6 months . In 6 months . You might get a petition together.

Whos doing the petition for you ? Or just doing it yourself with your vast knowledge of CFR's ?

6 months . The DOT does not move fast . In 6 months you might get a petition published . Then there is the comment period.

What happens when people come back against your petition ?

So were you planning on filing confidential information ?

Even if no one comes back against you , there is no way it will take 6 months.

Like I said - when was the last petition you put in ?

or US roads....why haven't they allowed them for importation....it's pretty simple to me, and I'm sure most others have figured it out. All you care about is keeping your little market and stuffing 100g's (could be an exaggeration) in your pocket every month...no wonder you're so touchy.

Wow 100G's a month. 1.2 million a year in my pocket. My pockets must have some big holes cause I have no where near that much in them.

I'm probably broker than you are.

I don't own Motorex . I don't own RB Motoring. I play with Skylines because I enjoy it. I don't make money doing it. I live by other things I do.

Lets break this 100,000 a month thing down a little again.

If someone made say $10,000 on a car , then it would take 10 cars to meet $100,000 . 10 cars per month. It takes 4- 6 months to legalize a car . Which means there would be 40-60 cars being legalized right now. That is to keep things flowing.

So if 10 cars were being legalized a month , since say Jan 2000 . That means 120 cars 2000 , 120 cars 2001 , 120 cars 2002 , 120 cars 2003 .

Lets say there are about 100 legalized Skylines in the US. Not 100 this year . 100 total. 100 since Jan 2000.

Lets talk more realistically then . Maybe 2-3 cars a month. 20 -30 a year.

The market is not that big . At no matter what price you think you can sell cars for.

You have to make money on cars. Whats your monthly overheads going to be ?

How many cars a month are you going to sell ?

You said before 10k less than other people . Lets take just one car . 1990 R32 GT-R . Sold at $27,000 legalized.

You are going to sell it for $17,000 legalized ?

For a $17,000 investment how much return do you expect ?

5% $850

10% $1700

20% ? 30% .

What are your millionAIRe backers going to expect ?

How much money are you going to invest in this ?

Read some history - This car is still not legalized.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67462356&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Some more history of people claiming to be able to legalize cars . Jan 03...

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67269995&Forum=UBB4&Words=importing&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=67254502&Search=true#Post67269995

More history - this is 2001......

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=12626&Forum=UBB4&Words=importing&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=8&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12611&Search=true#Post12626

R32 GT-R's ? Or just R32's .

As I said before . I dont waste my time with anything other than GT-R's . The other cars are for women . Men drive GT-R's. Check your pants - know which one to get.

So lets talk some numbers....

R32 GT-R $8000 x 50 = $400,000

R32 GTS - $2000 x 50 = $100,000 .

Since you are going to be importing other than GT-Rs and selling them for 10k less . Feel free. I have let my feelings about GTS Skylines be known more than once.

For $8000 you dont get much of an R32 GT-R.

It's funny that I have found beautiful R32 GT-R Vspec II Skylines for under half of what you priced it out for. I've also seen em up to 15k max... R32 GTS-T is also about half that price...so cut the 100k in half. Who cares what you think about GTS Skylines...fact is, whether you have the RB25 or RB26, you can build em the same either way...swapping internals, swapping head internals, etc...different items placed from one engine to another, different custom parts...they all do the same thing and have the same weakness...cracking between cylinder 3 and 4 according to Razor.

Night

Why ? I talked to them in Feburary . They had no problems with it then.

Are you making up more stories ? Stories that fit what you are saying ?

The only thing the DOT ever had anything against was people not having all the information.

They would not have blocked anyone from doing their own legalization /crash testing certification.


You are one hell of a joke if you think that there isn't some bias towards you from them for being "Sean Morris"...get a clue man. I don't make this shit up, there'd be no reason to. I don't have to prove it to you...I didn't record the phone calls or tap any lines....

Why would I give a rats ass about California? They are so wack anyways that I'd never live there for anything. Hold your head up high Sean...keep doing it, keep parading around. For every law there's a counter law, for every acception there is a revokation and for every asshole, there is someone to stomp on him. Things come around they go around...if it takes me 2 years to get Skylines approved for legalization, then I will wait for two years. The only thing that you don't have a shitload of markup on is the R32 series below 1992...those are a different story. Anyhow, I'm done arguing with you...you go ahead and do what you're going to do and I'll go along with my business.

In however long it takes me to get these things legalized...I'll be doing it and then those little pipe dreams of mine will be all over you. Good day mate, Merry X-mas as well.

Night

It's funny that I have found beautiful R32 GT-R Vspec II Skylines for under half of what you priced it out for. I've also seen em up to 15k max... R32 GTS-T is also about half that price...so cut the 100k in half. Who cares what you think about GTS Skylines...fact is, whether you have the RB25 or RB26, you can build em the same either way...swapping internals, swapping head internals, etc...different items placed from one engine to another, different custom parts...they all do the same thing and have the same weakness...cracking between cylinder 3 and 4 according to Razor.


Will you shut up about what you can get cars for. Yes you can get a Vspec II for less than I said . I did give a range. 15k max ? 15 k maximum for a Vspec II . Ok KID like I said you and your pipe dreams.

How about you go back and aswer the real questions ? Not the spliting hairs over prices

Then you go on and rattle on about splitting near cylinder 3 and 4.

How many has Razor split at 3 and 4 ? Not to discredit him or anything. But I have done over 600 rwhp on a stock motor , never split a block yet. Broke gearboxes , pistons , spun some rods.

So you throw a little information in here , but dont answer the question I have put up twice - now three times..

Quote:Originally Posted by tyndago
Heres the specific codes that prohibits you from importing and selling a non legal vehicle.

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment

Anything to say about this ?

Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.

You are one hell of a joke if you think that there isn't some bias towards you from them for being "Sean Morris"...get a clue man. I don't make this shit up, there'd be no reason to. I don't have to prove it to you...I didn't record the phone calls or tap any lines....

My name has never been used in conjunction with RB Motoring in conversations with the DOT.

Even if it did..... I said there has been a complete turnover of people.

Sec. 30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

1. GENERAL Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment

Anything to say about this ?

Lets get back to the first thing of you illegally importing vehicles.

Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read Classifications:

8707.10.0020
8708.50.5000
8708.99.6400
8708.40.2000
8708.92.5000
8708.70.6030
4012.20.8000

Now, once you have read those classifications and got all interpretations from atleast 5 customs officers at different ports around the US as well as the head of customs of those 5 ports, you let me know. Then tell me that those classifications are illegal.

Section 30112 "and importing noncomplying motor vehicles" If I imported complete vehicles, this law applies, however, since I do not import complete vehicles or anything classified as a vehicle, I am outside of this law's jurisdiction. I am also not a manufacturer, that would mean that I have to produce parts in order to bring the vehicle to life.

As far as motor vehicle equipment is concerned, better call the DOT and EPA and tell them about the 1000's of engine importers in the US...see what they tell you. Go after EVERY SINGLE ENGINE IMPORTER. Then tell them that 95% of those importers don't follow customs rules when importing headlights, tail lights, turn signals, brake systems, fluids, etc... then call the DOA and tell them that 95% of those people don't steam clean their items before entering the US and that there could potentially be virus' or other items in the dust or dirt on those items...

Bring it On.

Night

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Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."

Sometimes, however, a vehicle needs to be rebuilt and this can call the identity of the vehicle into question. Is it the original which has simply been repaired or have so many new or different parts been used in the rebuilding process that the original vehicle has been effectively broken up?

Vehicles which have been substantially rebuilt need to be examined by one of the DVLA Local Offices. The DVLA Local Office will assess whether the vehicle can retain its registration mark or if an alternative mark should be allocated. This will depend on whether the majority of the major components come from the original vehicle.

A. Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new/used parts.
In order to retain the original registration mark:

Cars and Car-Derived Vans must use:

The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or

A new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer/manufacturer (e.g. receipt)

And two other major components from the original vehicle - see list below

Suspension (front & back)
Axles (both)
Transmission

Steering Assembly
Engine



If a second-hand chassis/monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a Standard Single Vehicle Approval test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated



This covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.

In these cases the vehicle components used from the original vehicle will be given a numerical value and, in order to retain the original registration mark the vehicle must score eight or more points.

If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an SVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

Points

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Chassis/body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque)* (original or new) = 5
Suspension = 2
Axles = 2
Transmission = 2
Steering Assembly = 2
Engine = 1

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*Direct replacement from the manufactures

NB. Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (i.e. 'Cut and Shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated.

Vehicle Identification Number

This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to carry a Vehicle Identity Number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the chassis/bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such circumstances the DVLA Local Office will allocate a replacement VIN.

The DVLA Local Office will issue an authorisation letter and registration will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle has been stamped with the correct identity.

Registration of Vehicles without Identity

The following procedures must be followed when making application for the registration and first licensing of a vehicle without identity

You should use your nearest DVLA Local Office.
Applications from outside a DVLA Local Office's catchment area will be refused;
You will be asked to produce your driving licence as proof of identity and address;
You will be asked to produce official receipts from identifiable suppliers for the components used in a rebuild. The authenticity of receipts may be checked. They will be stamped by the DVLA Local Office before return;
All vehicles without identity (VIN and registration mark) will be inspected by DVLA and referred to the police.
These arrangements have been introduced in an effort to combat vehicle crime. Applicants who rebuild vehicles and can prove the origins of the components need not be concerned. However, if the police believe a vehicle to be stolen DVLA will refuse to register and it may be impounded.

Prospective purchasers of vehicles without identity are advised to exercise caution. If a vehicle is suspected of being stolen both it and the money paid for it may be lost. Advice for prospective purchasers of vehicles (The car buyers Guide) is available from Crime Prevention Officers and DVLA Local Offices.


VicRoads must be advised if vehicle written off
The registered operator of a vehicle that has been destroyed or declared written off by the vehicle's insurer must ensure that VicRoads is advised within 14 days of the write off, that the vehicle has been written off.

Individually Constructed Vehicles - (inc. "kit cars")
Applicants for registration of an Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICV's), not issued with a compliance plate, must provide a report by a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory demonstrating that the vehicle meets the relevant Australian Design Rules.

Australian body shells - Engineer's reports not required for rebuilds
Provided the body shell used to rebuild a vehicle has an Australian registration history or is a new Australian manufactured shell, and the vehicle presented for registration has a current Certificate of Roadworthiness, an Engineer's report or comments from a panel beater are not required. Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration

Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999 - reg. 213 - Inspection of vehicles

Imported body shells - Engineers reports required for rebuilds Imported body shells can be used to repair an existing Australian vehicle. A report from a VicRoads' Recognised Engineering Signatory must be provided if the imported shell has no previous registration history in Australia. The report will not be accepted by VicRoads unless it includes a completed form titled "Eligibility check for re-shelled vehicle".

Click here for a link to details of Engineer's reports to prove that a vehicle is safe and continues to comply with the standards for registration

Proof of previous registration history is required for the vehicle to which the shell is fitted. If this information is not available from NEVDIS, it is the applicant for registration's responsibility to provide this information. Proof of previous registration history may be in the form of a certificate of registration from the interstate registering authority or a statement from the interstate registration authority faxed direct to the VicRoads office.

Source: MBN/46176 Vehicle Rebuilds and Sectional Repairs Approved by Minister for Roads and Ports, 29 August 1997

Proof of identity for reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles
When reshelled, rebuilt or stolen and recovered vehicles are presented for re-registration, registration or if currently registered and the original Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) or chassis number is either unavailable or obliterated or moved to another body shell, ie; Holden vehicles manufactured after 1989 where the VIN number is located under the windscreen, the following must be provided to verify the original identity of the vehicle before a surrogate (replacement) VIN or VP number can be issued:

Proof of origin of vehicle
Evidence of the purchase of the damaged vehicle must be provided. This evidence must be an original receipt and must identify the vehicle by its VIN or chassis number.
To prevent the number from being reused, the original VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued

Where a VIN or chassis number has been tampered with, defaced, or is invisible to the naked eye, notification from the Police clearing and identifying the VIN must be supplied before registration is granted.
Any vehicle for which the original VIN or chassis number cannot be identified must not be registered.

Proof of legal ownership of replacement parts
Original receipts for all major parts used in the rebuild must be produced (eg. engine, replacement shell etc). If an imported vehicle has been used to provide a replacement body shell for a damaged vehicle, the import papers (photocopy acceptable) issued by the Federal Office of Road Safety must be provided to verify its identity. If only a body shell has been used in the rebuild process, then the Australian Customs clearance papers for the importation of the body shell must be produced.

Although original receipts must be returned to the vehicle operator, they should be date stamped with the name of the office where the vehicle was presented to prevent original receipts being used as proof items for more than one vehicle.

Record of rebuilt vehicle must be maintained
Where a previously registered vehicle is reshelled or rebuilt and is issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number, to maintain the record of the vehicle to prevent "rebirthing" of multiple vehicles, the original database history of the vehicle is to be overwritten with the new details.

Customers should be advised that the original vehicle identifiers should not be XXXed out but over-stamped with a line (eg. 1234567890) so that the original number can also be read to allow the original identity to be verified.

The surrogate VIN issued for the rebuilt vehicle must be stamped as close as possible to the location of the original VIN, or adjacent to the location of the compliance plate or on a permanent structural part of the body commonly used as a VIN location (eg. on a suspension strut tower).

Registration history of sectionalised repaired vehicles
Where a vehicle has been repaired by means of a sectionalised repair method ("cut and shut") using parts from more than one vehicle, the repaired vehicle will be issued with a surrogate VIN or VP number.

If the part containing a VIN from a vehicle that is a statutory write-off after April 2002 is used, the rules for registering a reshelled vehicle must be followed.

The record of the vehicle section which can most readily be identified (usually the front half of the vehicle where the VIN or chassis number is located) must be overwritten with the new details.

To prevent the number from being reused, the overwritten VIN or chassis number must be added to the stolen/suspect vehicle database with a notation that the original vehicle has been rebuilt and a surrogate VIN or VP number issued

Information regarding sectionalised repairs is available in VicRoads Vehicle Standards Information sheet no. 25.

Rebuild VIN
Where the vehicle has been extensively repaired or altered ie replacement body shell, cut-and-shut repairs, major chassis or body alterations, a rebuild VIN may be issued

Now - using your line here: "Anything to say about this?"

Wow! I can use the "copy and paste" function!

Whats your point?

OK I bite....... here you go. Another reason why what you are doing is illegal.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm


The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced. An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.


There you go . Circumventing the Clean Air Act. How about that ?

I know what you are doing , and its not legal to do.

Wow! I can use the "copy and paste" function!

Whats your point?

Where the hell do you come off? I don't care what kind of status you have on this forum, you haven't added a single piece of usefuly information. Standing around and posting snyde comments are hardly functional...congratulations on being an idiot...next time chime in with some information or something that is useful...

Night

Before a vehicle is used or kept on the public road it must to be properly licensed and registered. When a vehicle is first registered, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) allocates a registration mark which has to be properly displayed and this remains with the vehicle until it is broken up, destroyed, permanently exported or transferred to another vehicle in what is known as a "cherished transfer."


This is all local laws. Nothing to do with Federal Requirements. You must meet DOT ,and EPA before you get as far as local requirements.

You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.

Here you go - some more information on disassembling a car then reassembling it to get around laws.

1.

"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations. In these situations the kit car body/chassis combination must be certified by the manufacturer, must be in a configuration which was previously certified by EPA subject to the guidelines discussed at "2" above or, in the case of an importation, an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.
2.

Except with regard to kit vehicles meeting the guidelines at "2" above; an individual or firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale will be considered to be a manufacturer of new motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. Such manufacturers and their vehicles are subject to all applicable regulations under the Act including civil penalties of up to $25,000 per vehicle for each new motor vehicle distributed in commerce, sold, offered for sale, or introduced, or delivered for introduction, into commerce, unless such vehicle is covered by a certificate of conformity issued by EPA.


TAG - YOUR IT

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/complaints.html

Nice simple form to fill out.

You have provided enough information to bury yourself.

The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered "motor vehicles" under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies.

An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.

I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."

Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.

This is all local laws. Nothing to do with Federal Requirements. You must meet DOT ,and EPA before you get as far as local requirements.

You are bypassing laws. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.

Actually, Sean, I don't register any vehicles. I don't bypass federal laws....I don't try to legalize vehicles.

The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered "motor vehicles" under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies.

An example of such circumvention is:
A kit car maker who also provides the engine and transmission before or after production/importation of the body/chassis.

I am not a kit car manufacturer or maker. Nor am I a "firm that assembles kits for hire or resale, that produces assembled kit cars for resale or that produces complete kit car packages for resale."

Skylines are not kit cars, they are manufactured vehicles.

So if they are manufacturted vehicles they must meet EPA requirements.

So then how do you get around the EPA requirements ? You dont. You are doing it illegally.

You bring in a body . That is not regulated by the DOT directly.Then install the engine and transmission. That is the illegal part . You can not install the engine and transmission.

Are you missing something here ?



"Motor vehicles" must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations.
*

So you are saying by taking the vehicles apart , and not selling them as cars you are exempt from the laws ?

You are not registering them so you are exempt from the laws ?

They are not "vehicles" so you are exempt from the laws ?

It plainly says there that if you are disassembling a car to circumvent laws you are doing something illegal.

You are doing something illegal.

I do not install the engines or transmissions to these vehicles. Not a single vehicle that I have sold, have I assembled.

Actually, Sean, I don't register any vehicles. I don't bypass federal laws....I don't try to legalize vehicles.


No, you just import them, and then find ways for the owners to do it, illegaly:


Importing a Skyline is not hard if you know what you are doing and have the mind to do it like I do. I have imported about 5 Skylines thus far into the US................................................ ...........I just delivered a Beautiful R33 GTS-T to a customer in El Paso, TX.

He is currently driving his new Skyline on the streets of America fully insured. He will be going through the registration process for the vehicle within the next few weeks and we expect to see him pass and get title with no problems at all.



Now what was that about not adding anything constructive?
All your doing is making an Ass out of yourself.

Actually yes, I import it. What the owners choose to do from there is their choice and is not accounted for on my behalf. If they choose to try and register the vehicles, I cannot do anything about it since I sell the cars for off-road use only and don't sell them as cars...

Night

somebody should lock this thread.


Don't worry mate, The situation is being monitored :sunglasse

[QUOTE=NightXCZ77]
Yes, as I already answered this question: I DO NOT IMPORT COMPLETE VEHICLES. I DO NOT IMPORT VEHICLES AT ALL. Read /QUOTE]

You dont import vehicles . You dont import COMPLETE vehicles.

So what do you import .

You claim to "sell" Skylines. And you claim to be exempt from the laws ?

What are you "selling " to people .

If a Skyline is not a vehicle , or a complete vehicle what is it then ? A painting ? A sofa ?

Once again BOY you dig , deeper , and deeper. Soon I dont even need to fill it in. It collapses around you.


The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced

So you are importing Skylines , which are not kit cars . But the Skylines are not vehicles . Or they are not complete vehicles . And what you are doing does not violate the Clean Air Act ?

Then you have customers driving said Skylines around . So you import something that is not a vehicle , but now these customers are allowed to register said "Non Complete" vehicles.

And this does not violate the Clean Air Act in which way ?

I sell the cars for off-road use only and don't sell them as cars...

Night


You know that statement contridicts itself don't you?

You know that statement contridicts itself don't you?


I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."

I do not install the engines or transmissions to these vehicles. Not a single vehicle that I have sold, have I assembled.

So you sell vehicles ?

OR you don't sell vehicles ?


Damned if you do , damned if you dont.

If you don't then what exactly do you sell ?

If you do then you must meet DOT and EPA requirements.


VEHICLE As used in this manual, "vehicle" is used as a convenient abbreviation for the collection of all categories of motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines. Specifically, it includes cars, motorcycles, light-duty trucks, heavy-duty vehicles, heavy-duty trucks, and heavy-duty engines.

I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."


Damn you make it too easy......

OFF ROAD car in accordance with the EPA

Try READING this

Off Road Vehicle

Exclusion determinations for "off road" vehicles are based on the capability of the subject vehicles, not their intended or principal use. The vehicle:

1. cannot exceed a maximum ungoverned speed of 25 miles per hour over level, paved surfaces, (Vehicles that are governed to a speed of 25 miles per hour or less may be excluded if the governor is deemed sufficiently tamperproof. EPA will make evaluations of governing devices upon request); or
2. lacks features customarily associated with safe and practical street or highway use, such features including, but not limited to, a reverse gear (except in the case of motorcycles), a differential, or safety features by state and/or Federal law, (The mere deletion, removal or absence of features that can be readily added or the lack of U.S. Department of Transportation approval of safety features on the vehicle is not sufficient grounds for exclusion); or
3. exhibits features which render its use on a street or highway unsafe, impractical, or highly unlikely, such features including, but not being limited to, tracked road contact means, an inordinate size, or features ordinarily associated with military combat or tactical vehicles such as armor and/or weaponry, (EPA regards vehicles that exceed any of the Federal weight or dimensional limitations placed on vehicles using the Interstate Highway System to be of an inordinate size). The Interstate limitations include a single axle weight of 20,000 pounds, a tandem axle weight of 34,000 pounds, a vehicle weight of 80,000 pounds, and a width of 102 inches, excluding safety devices. The weight limitations are actual vehicle or axle weights, not weight ratings.)

EPA will make written determinations of exclusion for individual vehicle models upon receipt of dimensions, technical specifications and photographs or drawings of the model in question. While some vehicles can be easily determined to be excluded, particularly those of inordinate size, others require more review. An importer that makes his or her own determination does so at his or her own risk.

Certain off road vehicles containing nonroad engines manufactured after January 1, 1996 are covered under EPA nonroad engine regulations. These are primarily construction equipment and lawn and garden equipment. Consult the EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine applicability.

Requirements

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Consult EPA nonroad entry form 3520-21 to determine whether the vehicle engine is covered by EPA nonroad requirements. Complete form 3520-21 as applicable, otherwise complete form 3520-1, declaring code "X" and attaching proof that the vehicle lacks safety or other features required for safe and practical street operation including evidence of inordinate size or weight preventing highway use.

Restrictions

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Not for use by racing vehicles; and
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Vehicle may not be registered or licensed for use on or operated on the public roads or highways. If an imported non-road vehicle is subsequently converted to a motor vehicle and registered or licensed for street use, the converter may be considered a manufacturer of a new motor vehicle and subject to a penalty of $25,000 per day for failing to meet EPA emission requirements.

I do not sell them as cars, sorry for contradicting myself...and in a clause under contract they are "for off-road use only."


What you sell them as dosn't change what they are, and what they are according to US law is a Vechile, which means they must then meet all requirements under US laws relating to Vechiles.

Read Seans posts, believe it or not, they actualy make sense! :eek:
Yours however don't, they are nothing more than a running list of contridictions. Have a look at Seans post above for examples of just a few of them.

So then Cameron S. Wieldraayer

Email address -NightXCZ77@hotmail.com

And then this information

Night Szevy Racing
1010 N. Diane Ave.
Oak Harbor, WA 98277

And this information -

Cameron S. Wieldraayer

Email:
NightXCZ77@aol.com
Phone:
VISIT OUR NEW SITE

360-672-2415

http://www.ptk.org/directories/inductees/ly/6791-1-lyind.htm

Wieldraayer, Cameron Scott
Graduation Date: 6/2003


DOT regulations about vehicles , and motor vehicle equipment.

* "motor vehicle. means a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power and manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways, but does not include a vehicle operated only on a rail line

* "motor vehicle equipment" means

1. any system, part, or component of a motor vehicle as originally manufactured;

2. any similar part or component manufactured or sold for replacement or improvement of a system, part, or component, or as an accessory or addition to a motor vehicle; or

3. any device or an article or apparel (except medicine or eyeglasses prescribed by a licensed practitioner) that is not a system, part, or component of a motor vehicle and is manufactured, sold, delivered, offered, or intended to be used only to safeguard motor vehicles and highway users against risk of accident, injury, or death.


Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.



So you import Skylines . Which aren't vehicles . Or they are cars , but not cars for "off road use only".

The Skylines are not vehicles , are not motor vehicle equipment , and therefore do not need to meet EPA or DOT requirements ?

But then you help your customers of these non vehicle , non car , for off road use only vehicles , get them registered.

You dont import cars , you dont assemble cars , but you sell Skylines ?

Does it sound a little weird to anyone else ?

Does it sound a little weird to anyone else ?


Makes perfect sense to me!
But then I live in Wonderland and drink tea in funny hats :icon16:

And Mr.Wieldraayer ,

Let me know if you want to get mean......

I am playing nice now.

Or if you want . Next time I can take your side , and help you to argue against me. You really need the help.

Before you send this guy some money . You should read this information----

Unless someone else uses the same screen name there....

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=1

BOY you are starting to make me mean...

Man I love this quote from Mr.Wieldraayer in the NICO forums.

"And Chris - you can't sue someone with no money to give you.....as I said, wait your turn, when I have the money, you'll be getting it no doubt. If I get sued without having any money, it only costs $200 to declare bankruptcy...which is something I really don't want to do...and you don't want it either because then no one gets a dime back. "

Another quote... this one is good too.

"Ok guys, this is crazy....$2851 for shipping to PHX, $480 for customs fees, $595 for shipping to me and Exam fees (EXAM that I didn't ask for) and then $100 storage fee, $200 forklift...this **** is expensive!

Anyhow, my customs agent says that the container has cleared the system...the company that has the container says that they will have an answer for me tomorrow morning between 10-11AM of whether or not there are any problems with the container."

He has some problems with some little fees , and getting a container of engines in .

And he claims to be able to import cars.

Recently he claimed to have "borrowed $12,000 from friends and family" to pay for a shipment of engines.

I wonder where his millionAIRe backers are.

Is ANYONE going to keep listening to this LOSER LIAR , with a proven track record of lies , taking money and not delivering ?


CHECK

Sean,

Could you post a link to that forum? I really would like to read that, but I am not familiar with NICO forums.

Here is one -

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35118&perpage=35&pagenumber=5

And another -

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42603&perpage=35&pagenumber=1

He doesnt seem to be popular there.

Taking peoples money for engines . Then never delivering. Funny I found posts from him looking for engines in Aug 03 .

http://campuscgi.princeton.edu/~acsspu/wwwboard/messages/1623.html

He "claims" to have all these connections. MillionAIRe backers.

This guy seems to be extremely trustworthy....

CHECK are you sure? I thought this game was over a while ago.

Its not CHECKMATE , until he either disappears , or concedes defeat.

I suspect he will just disappear....

Just be on the lookout for him on other forums. Let me know when you find him . I will hunt him down there too....

BOY you picked the wrong INTERNET KEYBOARD WARRIOR to mess with. Go heads up with me...... ha....

Talkin shit, and backin it up. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the links.

The only company that I have heard of that brings in Skylines and legalizes them other than MotoRex is Fuel Imports out of Florida. I have not checked their credentials to see if they are legit or not, but they swear up and down to have legalized over 60 Skylines this year and that they will be on the revised RI list when it is released...I guess they say that they are big over in the UK.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4932

Night

I know the UK market pretty well, and I have never heard of them.

So one day passes with no responses. I hope Night comes back on... I need something to do this weekend.

he is done, once we brought up his past from nico he has nothing to play with cause we know the scams and bullshit he has done before

Loser...

ahahhaha

how did you find him in those forums anyways?

som how, someone from nico posted a link here about how he was scamming people and i just remembered it

I have been reading up on what Night actually knows. He actually does know a little about cars, good on you big fellow.

But, he does not know about Intellectual Property Laws and does not know how to Legalize Skylines.

But, he can register them. Legal or Not legal?

One of the other things that irritated me, was his misquote of me on the cylinder crackage between the #3 and #4 holes.
Yes the RB26 does have a flaw there, but it won't happen until you are pushing over 1,000hp of which there is less than 40 GTR's in the world making that sort of grunt.

I'll give this thread a couple more days. In the mean time there doesn't need to be anything added unless it is vital information.
The points have been made.

One of the other things that irritated me, was his misquote of me on the cylinder crackage between the #3 and #4 holes.
Yes the RB26 does have a flaw there, but it won't happen until you are pushing over 1,000hp of which there is less than 40 GTR's in the world making that sort of grunt.

Yes I loved that quote...... It was something you said once probably commenting on something , and its picked up as gosphel.

If you ever played with RB's you would know that splitting the block is sure not a first thing to worry about.

Even if you did split a block , just fill the next one you do.

so i decided to post a little inconsistency that i found...
sean, you noted that it's illegal to sell someone a car that's been put back together to avoid the clean air act, you also noted the rules for an "off road" vehicle.
night decides to say, these guys aren't trying to drive them on the road, and they're not buying them as cars. yet he tells us that he's got someone who is driving one, and going to get it registered?
and as you noted, he's liable, regardless of who now owns the "car/thing". interesting.
but then he tried to counter by saying, "no, i'm not liable".
pretty strong come back. this is one of the best threads i've read on the site to date...
the monopoly thing is funny too.. everyone thinks that motorex has a monopoly on the market...
indirectly, they do... but only b/c no one has been able to completely fork the money over to get into their shoes.
also... calling motorex out as liars b/c they farmed out some of the legalization work?
better call out harley davidson for having porsche work on the cylinder heads of the V Rod bike.
or anyone in racing, who doesn't do all their own work... or aftermarket tuners like rod millen who build cars for lexus and toyota.
yep. those big name companies are lying to us.

also... calling motorex out as liars b/c they farmed out some of the legalization work?
better call out harley davidson for having porsche work on the cylinder heads of the V Rod bike.

Farming out the work . Night tries to make it sound like Motorex did something wrong . Not at all true . Tries to say they "bought" the information from JK.

JK was under contract from Motorex to do all the legalization. Motorex paid JK to do the crash testing , and do the initial petition.

Petitioning a vehicle is not an easy process. Not something a small company can do by itself. You either have to hire someone that knows about the peitition process , or you will have to get help from an established company. JK , Wallace , NAPA , G&K . Those are the only four RI's that I know of that have a well established background with the DOT . They are known , have been in business for a while.

So back to Motorex . They paid JK to do the crash testing. All of the actual compliance packages were put together by Motorex. How do I know ? I visited the DOT , NHTSA , OVSC twice. I talked to Luke Loy . I talked to Dick Merrit. We discussed the entire process . Things like the cars were right hand drive . We discussed what JK was doing , what Motorex was doing .

As in a lot of things , for business revealing your sources is not something you "have" to do . As a business you are not "legally obligated" to come right out and tell people you had someone help you with the legalization process.

Its not like we are going to answer the phone and say " Motorex , JK did the crash testing and legalization for us , Can I help you...."

The crash test information is public knowledge.

I asked Night earlier - if he pays all the money to do crash testing - if he will file any information as confidential. He probably never thought about stuff like that as he is a KID with PIPE DREAMS.

Same as any number of people from the past .

Does anyone else see a pattern ?

Does anyone else see why I attack these people ?

Has anyone else done anything else other than TALK ?

I get really sick of all the talk . I want to see some actions . Beoming an RI is easy . Just have to have a place , $800 , take some video , read the CFR's .

I will give these people some respect when they EARN it . Until then they get NO RESPECT from me.

Loser...

ahahhaha

how did you find him in those forums anyways?


I had help . Someone found it for me....


Importing Militia....... do it legal , or don't brag about it....

i agree with sean on the reason he attacks these people, cause he is so true kids like myself and others who watch fatf and 2f2f saw that the import scene was getting big and then the skyline came around and everyone thinks they can be like motorex and just start makin money off selling this car
i know i would love to import and legalize skylines but yes it is a dream and im pretty sure it will never happen. I dont go around telling people that i can or will be become an RI and sell skylines for 10k cheaper then the competitor
i know it will just never happen
so i respect sean for the so called "attacking" people, because he knows what is up...
i know he knows his skylines i have talked to him before and he is a very intelligent guy.
People like night who think they can leave their bad rap and past on a diff. forum and come to a new forum thinkin they are going to be scot free are stupid.


sorry if that didnt make any sense

bret

I had help . Someone found it for me....
Farming out the work .

looks like a trend to me... you're all about farming out the work huh? ;)

Does anyone else see why I attack these people ?
i feel ya..

Does anyone else see a pattern ?

Does anyone else see why I attack these people ?

Has anyone else done anything else other than TALK ?

Beoming an RI is easy . Just have to have a place , $800 , take some video , read the CFR's .

I will give these people some respect when they EARN it . Until then they get NO RESPECT from me.

I am working it. It helps when the wife is a patent attorney. She knows all that legal stuff you post. I don't.

I do the car side.

We have a lot of binders :iceslolan

Yes, I see why you do it. I am glad you do.

More than 2 days now. Are we going to hear from the BOY again ?

Or is he too busy taking money from people and not delivering product ?

You may want to ask your boy Nismo LMR not to incriminate you too much .

"And whats even more funny, is I may be in a situation to spend that much here soon. YAY! Haha later guys (O and by the way Sean, Cam is legit, just imported GTS-T R33 with GTR exterior conversion. Just because hes not an RI, doesnt mean he cant import... Just to let you know)"

True you don't need to be an RI to import anything.....

It seems you are importing vehicles . And bypassing Federal Laws . Including the Clean Air Act . I hope you are prepared for the $25,000 per vehicle fine .

Oh yeah - you have enough money to pay for "50" R32's .

Well I think this thread has run its course. So to protect its integraty I've closed it.

Thank you Sean for the insight. I am sure anyone who reads this now knows the low down on where to get the cars legally from and legalized. Until such time as information changes that is verifiable use common sence people.