LS making front end noise over bumps


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trinah1
12-12-2003, 03:04 PM
Please help! My LS is making a noise in the front when riding over bumps. Its hard to explain. Its kind of a hollow sounding noise. I took it to the dealership last week and they replaced the sway bars and sway bar bushings. That was not the problem. Its still making the noise. Could it be a spring or strut? I had a '93 Maximan that kind of did the same thing and it ended up being the strutts. Any help or suggestions would be great so that I can go back to the dealership with a little more knowledge.

CGGorman
12-15-2003, 10:30 AM
Worn ball joints.

coasterr
02-23-2004, 09:15 AM
Worn ball joints.


First, I would like to thank CGGorman for all your advice to other LS owners, your info has been invaluable.

I have the same muted thud/clunk from the front end, and its driving me nuts. I had the bushings in the sway bar and the strut tower replaced, but the noise continues. I have had 2 mechanics inspect the front end and everything appears tight....... could you be more specific on the worn ball joints...

Thanks

Coasterr

coasterr
02-23-2004, 09:18 AM
Trinah1

Did you replace the ball joints, and if so did it cure the problem.........

Coasterr

Crumb
02-23-2004, 09:34 AM
Thje ball joints are those metallica "balls" located between the gear shaft and the wheel assembly. Those joints get crusty and rusted over time if not properly lubricated. Have a mechanic remove them and wash them with wd40 and put them back in. Hope this helps.

trinah1
03-15-2004, 08:15 PM
No we did not replace the ball joints. The second mechanic we took the car to replaced the right tie rod end but of course this was not the problem either. We are going to try focusing on the struts next.Trinah1

Did you replace the ball joints, and if so did it cure the problem.........

Coasterr
:disappoin

giveortake
03-17-2004, 01:41 AM
I bought a 2000 LS V8 Sport with 64,000 miles.. I now have 79k miles. Since then I have had the following issues:

1. Total Climate Control Module Failure: $850
2. Heated Seats: Crazy. Burn my butt sometimes othert timers don't work at all. Never looked into having them fixed.
3. Crazy engine/trans issue. Both check engine and trans light would come on periodically while excellerating at which time the car was puking. Answer: Dealership said 7 of 8 "coils" bad. Wanted $700 to replace them all. Upon further conversations and computer record reviews, they determined 3 of the 8 coils were actually mis firing. Had those three replaced 2 weeks ago for $400. Seems to be O.K. now, but I am leary that it isn't as smooth as it used to be. Not sure if that is perception or reality. Dealership coil tester apparently reads either good or bad under stress testing. Apparently 7 of mine were reading bad. What a fricken joke. Give me a good ole distributer........
4. Rear Brake Caliper needed to be replaced due to malfunction that burned through pad and router. Thus total brake job for $350 including caliper.
5. Damn car locks the doors randomly. No rhyme or reason. This is not user error. This is a car electrical issue. Thus after being locked out of the car twice at gas stations, I no longer EVER leave the keys in the car.
6. Leaky valve gaskets. $400 to fix. Leaving it alone.
7. Leaky headlights. Leaving it alone.
8. Random beeps peridoically while driving God knows from what. Beeps once then nothing. No idea.
9. Blows cold while idling. Dealer now says "thermostat" and is happy to replace the $13 part for $400 of labor.

Probably several other items I have forgotten at the moment that irk me.

So lets see other than not having any type of climate control in the cabin, the fact that I don't trust the engine & transmission, and with half of the lousy "luxary" items non working I don't see any reason why anyone would buy this car ever........... Especially with a 40k plus price tag. Who are they kidding? But hey I could continue to spend $500 a month in repairs/maintenance to the local dealership or I can throw this thing away and put a turnequte on to stop the hemmorenging.

Plus side. Car is dang fast and has nice radio. Oops forgot to mention that when I use the up/down volume controls on the steering wheel it will often times randomly change the station to the next preset...

End result. I got hosed. This car is junk. I sure wish I had my 1997 sable with 130k miles back........

CGGorman
03-17-2004, 02:13 PM
You want a '97 Sable w/130K miles? Buy one. What's stopping you?

sfabre40
04-12-2004, 10:04 AM
No we did not replace the ball joints. The second mechanic we took the car to replaced the right tie rod end but of course this was not the problem either. We are going to try focusing on the struts next.
:disappoin

I have also been living with this same noise...
Could you let me know, how your turns out ?

Of course it started off as just making noises in the front end when A hard bump was hit. Now it takes very little for this noise to occur..

Thanks

LinTech
04-12-2004, 09:51 PM
I work at a Lincoln dealership as part of my Asset training. I have to say that the LS is a fast car...but it is a very crappy car. I guess this is what happens when you let Jaguar design a car that is supposed to be "Smart". The wring on this car sux. and the good news is that there will me 4 more new models here soon..i can't wait to fix em..not....If Lincoln would take over this car and take out a couple of these computer control systems. It would help alot. On my side of things ford is really hold information back to fix these things. Which makes my job harder. As far as your noise over bumps could really be alot of things. Your dealership should have used the chassis ears to find this problem. I have seen noise that sounded like suspension problem be nothing put a loose brake cable. Sound is the hardness thing for me to diag on a LS bc to many things could be doing it...good luck i hope you find the problem.

CGGorman
04-13-2004, 08:24 AM
Actually, Jag used the Ford design, not the other way 'round... Get used to it, too. The new Mustang uses the same serial communications system as the LS. Considering the LS was Ford's first attempt at this type of system, I'd say they did a pretty good job!

rogerLS
05-10-2004, 10:26 AM
I am having the same issue. I have 55k miles on my LS. No real issues other than the back window problems but that appears to be OK now that I raise and lower them more often as suggested by the dealer here in Austin. I have a Mustang that I show and the only reason I changed the sway bar bushings was that I wanted a stiffer ride. They were not worn out when I went to restore / redo the car with over 100k miles on them. The car has very stiff struts and is lowered 4 inches. I think that would put some stress on the bushings. From what I understand the ball joints would not make that kind of sound. That it would be a bad spring, strut or possibly sway bar bushings. More than likely strut problem. Before I go pulling those I thought I would see if anyone else had this problem resolved yet and if I was on track with this.

Thanks!

jpbrown
05-14-2004, 05:26 PM
Please help! My LS is making a noise in the front when riding over bumps. Its hard to explain. Its kind of a hollow sounding noise. I took it to the dealership last week and they replaced the sway bars and sway bar bushings. That was not the problem. Its still making the noise. Could it be a spring or strut? I had a '93 Maximan that kind of did the same thing and it ended up being the strutts. Any help or suggestions would be great so that I can go back to the dealership with a little more knowledge.

This is an easy and cheap fix. The lincoln ls has an excellent suspension, but the weak link is the little rods that connect the sway bar to the lower suspension. You can see them by looking under the car from the front, they will be near the tire. A little free play in these rods can cause a thunking noise a low speeds, and the noise is hard to isolate because the noise is transmitted by the sway bar itself. You can replace these rods without even removing the tire. Just remove the two nuts holding them on, and slide them out. The part number is
1W4Z-5K484-AA. I bought mine for about $17. If it were the ball joints, you would only hear a poping noise in slow off camber turn ins.

rogerLS
05-17-2004, 09:39 AM
This is an easy and cheap fix. The lincoln ls has an excellent suspension, but the weak link is the little rods that connect the sway bar to the lower suspension. You can see them by looking under the car from the front, they will be near the tire. A little free play in these rods can cause a thunking noise a low speeds, and the noise is hard to isolate because the noise is transmitted by the sway bar itself. You can replace these rods without even removing the tire. Just remove the two nuts holding them on, and slide them out. The part number is
1W4Z-5K484-AA. I bought mine for about $17. If it were the ball joints, you would only hear a poping noise in slow off camber turn ins.

Thanks! I appreciate this. What are they called? Thanks again,

Roger

rogerLS
05-28-2004, 10:28 AM
This is an easy and cheap fix. The lincoln ls has an excellent suspension, but the weak link is the little rods that connect the sway bar to the lower suspension. You can see them by looking under the car from the front, they will be near the tire. A little free play in these rods can cause a thunking noise a low speeds, and the noise is hard to isolate because the noise is transmitted by the sway bar itself. You can replace these rods without even removing the tire. Just remove the two nuts holding them on, and slide them out. The part number is
1W4Z-5K484-AA. I bought mine for about $17. If it were the ball joints, you would only hear a poping noise in slow off camber turn ins.

How can you tell that they are worn. I was looking at them last night, pulling, pushing on them, etc. nothing looked cracked or worn. Would worn struts do the same sound? I have 60k miles on my car. Lincoln wants $40 per side for the parts and ford $25 per side but both places have to order the part. I just thought I would ask for wear signs of the links before I replaced them.

Appreciate your time,
Roger

usefuladvice
05-28-2004, 03:09 PM
I have a Chrysler 1997 concorde and it has the same noise problem.
The struts were replaced and made no difference.
I did stop at another repair shop and they said they have seen a lot of this . They told me it normally is the sway bar linkage that needs to be replaced and not the struts. They can tell with a quick check on the lift so I'll be bringing it in to them . The cost to fix is very minimal , maybe around $100 total (minimal is relative to more major probblems).






How can you tell that they are worn. I was looking at them last night, pulling, pushing on them, etc. nothing looked cracked or worn. Would worn struts do the same sound? I have 60k miles on my car. Lincoln wants $40 per side for the parts and ford $25 per side but both places have to order the part. I just thought I would ask for wear signs of the links before I replaced them.

Appreciate your time,
Roger

TWygant
06-07-2004, 03:56 PM
I've had the same problem with my '00 LS Sport. After replacing the struts, I decided to go after the Stabilizer Bar links, as they are reasonably cheap. When I removed the passenger side link, I found the source of my suspension "clunk". The sway bar bushing on the passenger side is totally shot. With the "dogbone" removed, I can easily move the unattached sway bar and make the "clunk" without the car even moving. Fortunately replacement sway bar bushings are reasonably cheap, too. You just have to know what size sway bar you have. V8s are different from V6s, and sport packages are different from non-sport models. For the best on-line prices I've found so far, go to www.burdford.com. They're in Indiana and deeply discount all their OEM Ford/Lincoln parts.

TWygant
10-03-2004, 08:41 AM
I found and fixed the source of my clunking noise - and it wasn't the ball joints or struts! The passenger side sway bar bushing was totally dried out and crumbling. The problem is that you couldn't see enough of it to tell that without disconnecting the sway bar link. All the parts felt tight when connected. Hey, about $10 at the burd ford website (for both sides of the car) makes my suspension feel like new again. Just make sure if you order bushings, they're the right size. Lincoln installed 4 different sizes depending upon whether you've got a V6 or V8 and whether you've got the sport package or standard trim. It's also worth changing out the sway bar links if you're going to do this project. They're about $25 apiece. The bushings are a real pain to change out, too. Especially the passenger side. There's a refrigeration line bracket that must be disconnected to get to the upper bushing mount that will really try your patience. It's easiest to get at it with a long extension bar from the top of the car and a helper down below to keep it on the bolt. Good luck!

TimW
2000 LS V6 - Manual Shift! 101K miles

xr7GT
10-11-2004, 10:46 AM
I have same noise, only in the rear suspension. Dealer replaced end links on rear sway bar but not bushings. Sound comes from that area between shocks and where sway bar goes across rear crossmember. Can you reach these bushing with rear wheels off. I see the parts are only about 10 bucks a side. Also the shock on that side is worn. Only have 28K miles.

HandofDoom
10-11-2004, 12:08 PM
I got the perfect solution for you guys,sell your Lincoln,and buy a Cadillac or other luxury car.Because Im gonna tell you now,your going to keep on having problems.Everyone I know that has a Lincoln complains about the problems they have with it.There junk.

xr7GT
10-12-2004, 09:50 AM
I got the perfect solution for you guys,sell your Lincoln,and buy a Cadillac or other luxury car.Because Im gonna tell you now,your going to keep on having problems.Everyone I know that has a Lincoln complains about the problems they have with it.There junk.
Yea thanks for the heads up.

HandofDoom
10-12-2004, 07:57 PM
No problem.:smile:

el es
10-13-2004, 06:42 PM
I got the perfect solution for you guys,sell your Lincoln,and buy a Cadillac or other luxury car.Because Im gonna tell you now,your going to keep on having problems.Everyone I know that has a Lincoln complains about the problems they have with it.There junk.


insightful. Funny though everyone I know with a caddy says the same about there car. Does anyone make a car that doesn't have its problems?

HandofDoom
10-13-2004, 08:09 PM
Funny,I have had nothing but greatness with everyone that Ive owned.No,every car has problems,but Lincoln about the only luxury car out there that starts having them with 50k miles on the car.

xrayman
10-16-2004, 07:18 PM
i changed struts , endlinks and an uppur control arm and finally the swaybar bushings<pain in the ass> that wuz it

arsnls
12-01-2004, 09:15 PM
This is an easy and cheap fix. The lincoln ls has an excellent suspension, but the weak link is the little rods that connect the sway bar to the lower suspension. You can see them by looking under the car from the front, they will be near the tire. A little free play in these rods can cause a thunking noise a low speeds, and the noise is hard to isolate because the noise is transmitted by the sway bar itself. You can replace these rods without even removing the tire. Just remove the two nuts holding them on, and slide them out. The part number is
1W4Z-5K484-AA. I bought mine for about $17. If it were the ball joints, you would only hear a poping noise in slow off camber turn ins.

I have a 2000 LS w/Sport. At 55,000 miles it developed a loud clunk everytime I went over any kind of bump.

Great advice. I thought I needed shocks/struts. After checking out this forum, the problem was solved with the replacement of one rod.

Thanks for saving me alot of money and aggrivation.

mjeppsen
12-01-2005, 05:06 PM
This is an ancient thread, but I figured this info might be helpful to someone...

I purchased a '01 LS V8 Sport recently, and it has the infamous clunk in the front end at low speeds over bumps.

Just ordered sway bar with bushings and both stabilizer end-links from Burd Ford (http://www.burdford.com) for $130 shipped. Not bad. They seem really knowledgeable and the prices are waayyy off retail.

FYI, I believe the new part # for the stabilizer end-links is 5W4Z-5K484-AA. Also, the sway bar bushings cannot be purchased seperately now. The new part design requires you replace the entire bar.

-MJ

johned
12-22-2005, 09:26 AM
Does anyone have an update on the cause of this noise? I did the easy fix and replaced the tie rods but this was not it. One solution suggested was ball joints which seems reasonable to me, can anyone confirm this?

mjeppsen
12-22-2005, 09:56 AM
Does anyone have an update on the cause of this noise? I did the easy fix and replaced the tie rods but this was not it. One solution suggested was ball joints which seems reasonable to me, can anyone confirm this?

YMMV, but for me it was the sway bar. Mine exhibited the clunk at low speeds, just like so many others have complained about. After replacement, no clunk.
I got the replacement sway bar assembly from Burd Ford in Indiana for about $130.00 shipped. That's a damn good deal, BTW. I took one look under the front end, and the drove the LS to the shop. Took a front end mechanic nearly 4hrs of labor to replace the sway bar. I wouldn't recommend that you do it yourself, the whole front end comes apart to get that bar in there.
Hope this helps.

-MJ

lovie
12-30-2005, 08:31 AM
did you guys ever figure the noise out? My 01 is doing the same thing at low speeds. Struts/ Ball joints? Sway bar rods? any help is appreciated.

mjeppsen
12-30-2005, 11:13 AM
did you guys ever figure the noise out? My 01 is doing the same thing at low speeds. Struts/ Ball joints? Sway bar rods? any help is appreciated.

Are you guys kidding me? Am I talking to myself here? As I've stated twice before in this thread, my '01 LS sport was making the clunk at low speeds over bumps. I replaced the sway bar, bushings and stabilizer end links (they all come together) and that fixed it. Your mileage may vary of course, but that was the perfect fix for my vehicle.

CobraOwner
01-03-2006, 06:38 PM
No we did not replace the ball joints. The second mechanic we took the car to replaced the right tie rod end but of course this was not the problem either. We are going to try focusing on the struts next.
:disappoin
Have a look at the Sway Bar mounting Bushings. That is what is wrong with mine. It is very diificult to find if you are not looking closely and then it can be hard to tell. I am just trying to find out where to buy the bushings without the bar itself.

mjeppsen
01-04-2006, 05:22 AM
Have a look at the Sway Bar mounting Bushings. That is what is wrong with mine. It is very diificult to find if you are not looking closely and then it can be hard to tell. I am just trying to find out where to buy the bushings without the bar itself.

Cobra, I was informed by Burd Ford's parts dept that you CANNOT buy the bushing kit anymore, you must replace the whole assembly. Ford has deprecated the old bushing kit part number, and replaced it with the new assembly kit. That includes the sway bar, bushings, and stabilizer links. And that of course means more labor for the install...

CobraOwner
01-04-2006, 08:49 PM
Cobra, I was informed by Burd Ford's parts dept that you CANNOT buy the bushing kit anymore, you must replace the whole assembly. Ford has deprecated the old bushing kit part number, and replaced it with the new assembly kit. That includes the sway bar, bushings, and stabilizer links. And that of course means more labor for the install...

Thanks for the reply! I thought that may be the case but I was hoping that an aftermarket manufacturer may have got on board and supplied the mounting bushings alone. I'll have to have a look and see whether or not I can fabricate replacements on the milling maching. I'd like to avoid the $170 CDN if at all feasable.

Hockey930
01-31-2006, 02:09 PM
I had the same problem, it was the center sway bar bushings, it sounded like the frount end was going to fall off over every bump. I havethe sport supention so I was able to get bushings from fast parts network for about $30shipped. The car sounds so much better now. The old ones didn't even look worn.
Eamonn

listenloud
09-09-2006, 05:20 PM
My 2000 LS was also making a clunking noise in the front end. It was most noticed when going over a series of bumps. I disconnected the struts between the lower control arm and the sway bar (thanks JPBROWN for pointing me in the right direction). When I tapped the end of the disconnected sway bar I heard a slight noise under the car. The noise turned or to be caused by a worn right sway bar bushing. This was a fairly easy fix, once the cause was found. The bushing is kind of tricky to get to, but can be installed in about an hour by a do-it-yourselfer. The bushings is located along the sway bar, just below the alternator.

lovie
09-10-2006, 07:43 AM
Where do I get the bushings? I would rather not replace the whole sway bar as Im told that is a pretty big project. Thanks, Lovie

listenloud
09-10-2006, 08:35 AM
I found them here. The bushings are part #11.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getLocator&siteid=213787&chapter=DP2FI0&appSectionid=19&groupid=20127&subgroupid=60181&componentid=0&make=21&model=Ls&year=2000&graphicID=FIP040&callout=11&catalogid=1

They should also be available from a dealer or a local full line auto parts store like NAPA.

Joe_theboob
10-26-2006, 01:38 PM
These forums are a great tool - prior to opening the hood...thanks everyone for sharing your experience.

I am getting ready to replace the sway bar bushings on my 2001 LSv8. Has anyone found a source for just the bushings? Something really bothers me about paying $120 for the bar just to get the .59 cent pieces of rubber.

CobraOwner
10-27-2006, 07:53 AM
I usually have pretty good resources for getting parts at the right price but this was one part that just cost too much. The only option I saw for my father's V8 LS (does not apply to V6) was to replace the sway bar with the upgrade kit at over $300 CDN from Ford. Ford has discontinued the replacement bushings and now has only the upgrade including bar and bushings. Good luck finding stock on the bushings alone but give it a try in your area just in case.
I am by no means suggesting that this is the best answer but it worked for my father. When he looked at the bushing (on the passenger side in this particular case), he saw that it was not worn very much at all. So he shimmed the bushing with a piece of aluminum on the top between the mount on the chassis and the bushing itself. This essentially tightened the bushing on the bar and the clunk has been gone for over 6 months. I don't know the dimensions of the aluminum but I would start with a 2"x2"x0.030" piece and go from there. You may need a different thickness and, of course it does not have to be aluminum.
This is a quick fix but if it works, what the heck?

Joe_theboob
10-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Thanks Cobra - that sounds like a great fix. I just came from Napa, they have a part called out as a "Stabilizer Bar Repair Kit". The guy behind the counter wasn't sure what that entailed but felt it was only the links and not the chassis bushings (no picture in the catalog). It looks like Ford has us by the ***** unless we get creative like you did. I'm gonna tear into this thing tonight, w/ a 12 pack of course...

CobraOwner
10-28-2006, 10:38 AM
I hope it works as well for you. Please let us know.

Joe_theboob
11-14-2006, 04:33 PM
Ok, finally got into this. Unfortunatly, I was not able to find the bushings by themselvs. Had to bend over @ the dealer for the entire sway bar - which came w/ the bushings. The whole thing came out and went back together in approx 3 hrs w/ my slow approach. So far no problems and the noise is gone. Those old bushings didn't look too bad, no major corrosion, cracks or anything. But I guess they were worn cause the noise is gone.
Thanks for all your help !!!

shorod
11-14-2006, 09:50 PM
Thank you for the follow-up with your solution!

-Rod

Burgundy LS
11-26-2006, 03:18 PM
I had the same problem with mine. It took me two trips to a lincoln dealer and replacement of several parts before I finally took it to a different dealer in a different town to figure it out. It happened to be the STABELIZER BAR BUSHINGS. Can't gaurantee thats your problem without hearing it but from what you explained, that would be my guess. Let me know if it works and good luck.

IgotGAME
12-26-2006, 05:41 PM
Thank you for this thread!!

My struts have been replaced and I am still hearing the noise.

Now I see it's either the sway bar, stabilizer bar links or sway bar brushings thanks to you guys.

I am going to some part stores tonight to see what I can find out about ordering. Hopefully I can just get the stabilizer links and brushings, but we'll see.

BTW, how can you tell if you car has standard suspension or not??? This is what is confusing me.

I don't know which I need...I have a 2002 Lincoln LS - V6 - Chrome package and sunroof...I assume I have the sport, but which suspension is that?

Here is a picture of my car if it helps:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/igotgame3/games_ride1.jpg


Now do I need:

BUSHINGS, LS6, w/o Standard Suspension
or
BUSHINGS, LS6, w/Standard Suspension

or just buy the whole sway bar set???

listenloud
12-26-2006, 10:36 PM
Check the web site I posted earlier for the parts listing.

You can verify the bushings are the cause of the problem before replacing by using a "shim" between the bushing and the frame of the car to tighten up the bushing. It is unlikely that the bushing wear will be detectable by feel. Loosen the bolts holding the clamp around the bushing, slide a piece of rubber tire patch (or similar material) between the bushing and the frame, tighten the bolts and test drive. If the noise is gone you know you have isolated the source.

IgotGAME
01-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Check the web site I posted earlier for the parts listing.

You can verify the bushings are the cause of the problem before replacing by using a "shim" between the bushing and the frame of the car to tighten up the bushing. It is unlikely that the bushing wear will be detectable by feel. Loosen the bolts holding the clamp around the bushing, slide a piece of rubber tire patch (or similar material) between the bushing and the frame, tighten the bolts and test drive. If the noise is gone you know you have isolated the source.


I wish I actually knew how to do that :p

I have replaced the stabilizer links and I am still hearing a hollow sounding "boom boom" when I go over bumps...espcially if you go over little small bumps back to back to back. I think it's only on the driver's side, but I could be wrong on that.

I have a new sway bar in my trunk with new bushings on it and I think I am just going to have the whole new bar put on....my only worry is what if that doesn't fix the problem?? then I am out about $200. I guess I really don't have much of a choice at this point though.

Joe_theboob
01-12-2007, 05:00 PM
It appears that you have replaced everything else that is in that neighborhood. At this point, the chances of the Bar bushings solving your problem are pretty good - in fact I'd say it's nearly 100%.

jerryls
01-22-2007, 06:32 PM
I have a 2000 LS V8 123K hiway miles. I have a rattle when I go over bumps. I brought the car in to the dealer and they said I had worn lower ball joints and worn sway bar links. I paid the $1300 dollars to replace both. When I picked the car up they said I will still hear a slight squeaking noise because the sway bar bushings are worn. They said it's not a safety issue and Ford no longer sells the bushing seperate Therefore I would have to pay about $800 to replace the entire sway bar.
I paid the bill, drove away and heard the same annoying rattle as I heard when I brought it in.
If it is the bushings, can someone tell me what's involved to replace them myself and if I can buy them somewhere without replacing the entire swaybar?
Thanks,

IgotGAME
03-14-2007, 05:22 PM
I have a 2000 LS V8 123K hiway miles. I have a rattle when I go over bumps. I brought the car in to the dealer and they said I had worn lower ball joints and worn sway bar links. I paid the $1300 dollars to replace both. When I picked the car up they said I will still hear a slight squeaking noise because the sway bar bushings are worn. They said it's not a safety issue and Ford no longer sells the bushing seperate Therefore I would have to pay about $800 to replace the entire sway bar.
I paid the bill, drove away and heard the same annoying rattle as I heard when I brought it in.
If it is the bushings, can someone tell me what's involved to replace them myself and if I can buy them somewhere without replacing the entire swaybar?
Thanks,

DO NOT let them rip you off like that...you can get the sway bar online at fastpartsnetwork for like $100-$120 and then the labor is like $150. You can no longer buy just the bushings...you have to buy the sway bar with bushings on it. It's no where NEAR $800 to have that replaced.

Just an FYI...I replaced my stabilizer links, struts, and sway bar/bushings before my noise went away. However,, my clunking sound over bumps is gone and everything sounds great now.

jerryls
03-15-2007, 12:24 PM
Thanks very much.
I will do it myself in the spring and try to never go to any dealer if I can avoid it.

md1twal3
01-24-2009, 09:12 PM
Not sure of quality and fit, but found these combing e-bay. Having the clunk myself in 00 LS V-6, stick.

Both from same vendor:

Pair of Bar Bushings: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120363446101&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AVRI&viewitem=

Pair of Links: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-LINCOLN-LS-Stabilizer-Sway-Bar-Link-Links-REAR-PAIR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q 3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZite m140292197945QQitemZ140292197945QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

If I try them soon, will report back. Anyone else, please do the same.

jerryls
01-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Thanks very much, they must be new. i now have trans problem, a big delay when put in reverse, then it jolts in like it's a stick car.

md1twal3
01-25-2009, 10:47 AM
Thanks very much, they must be new. i now have trans problem, a big delay when put in reverse, then it jolts in like it's a stick car.

I'm foturnate there, 5 spd manual, 6 cylinder. I've spent several hours reading up and researching the "common" LS issues.

good luck with the trans, sounds like there was a durability issue in the autos requiring rebuild or replace.

for me, it's the little things adding up. Fortunately, I am able to do the work myself or I don't know that I would own an LS at this point. Really like the car, just like the rest...little things add up and become big.

Great thread and all input has been valuable for me!

tkswan
01-25-2009, 07:45 PM
I bought a 2000 LS V8 Sport with 64,000 miles.. I now have 79k miles. Since then I have had the following issues:

1. Total Climate Control Module Failure: $850
2. Heated Seats: Crazy. Burn my butt sometimes othert timers don't work at all. Never looked into having them fixed.
3. Crazy engine/trans issue. Both check engine and trans light would come on periodically while excellerating at which time the car was puking. Answer: Dealership said 7 of 8 "coils" bad. Wanted $700 to replace them all. Upon further conversations and computer record reviews, they determined 3 of the 8 coils were actually mis firing. Had those three replaced 2 weeks ago for $400. Seems to be O.K. now, but I am leary that it isn't as smooth as it used to be. Not sure if that is perception or reality. Dealership coil tester apparently reads either good or bad under stress testing. Apparently 7 of mine were reading bad. What a fricken joke. Give me a good ole distributer........
4. Rear Brake Caliper needed to be replaced due to malfunction that burned through pad and router. Thus total brake job for $350 including caliper.
5. Damn car locks the doors randomly. No rhyme or reason. This is not user error. This is a car electrical issue. Thus after being locked out of the car twice at gas stations, I no longer EVER leave the keys in the car.
6. Leaky valve gaskets. $400 to fix. Leaving it alone.
7. Leaky headlights. Leaving it alone.
8. Random beeps peridoically while driving God knows from what. Beeps once then nothing. No idea.
9. Blows cold while idling. Dealer now says "thermostat" and is happy to replace the $13 part for $400 of labor.

Probably several other items I have forgotten at the moment that irk me.

So lets see other than not having any type of climate control in the cabin, the fact that I don't trust the engine & transmission, and with half of the lousy "luxary" items non working I don't see any reason why anyone would buy this car ever........... Especially with a 40k plus price tag. Who are they kidding? But hey I could continue to spend $500 a month in repairs/maintenance to the local dealership or I can throw this thing away and put a turnequte on to stop the hemmorenging.

Plus side. Car is dang fast and has nice radio. Oops forgot to mention that when I use the up/down volume controls on the steering wheel it will often times randomly change the station to the next preset...

End result. I got hosed. This car is junk. I sure wish I had my 1997 sable with 130k miles back........


yep, the LS is the second woman and just as high maintenance as the first. But the LS is a different kind of love. both wives are frustrating as hell sometimes. But they both look and drive nicely. Luckily im a good wrench and have a career to keep them both happy.

jerryls
01-26-2009, 02:32 PM
I have the same car, 2000LSV8, I bought it new. It was Motor trend's "car of the year". I had most of the problems you mentioned. They fixed them and after 2002 the LS was a pretty good car.
The coil/plug problems need to be fixed. It's caused by the inside valve gasket leaking oil into the plug hole eventually causing failure. They fixed the gasket and they don't leak any longer. I'm convinced the missing, destroyed my transmission at 60K miles. From 60K to $160K miles, I had little problems and the engine still runs great. There are alot of electrical issues though, but if you can live with them I'd keep it as the resale value is nill. You can get another 100k miles out of it, by just changing the oil regularly. Turn up the 11 speaker sound system so you don't hear the problems.

kcobra
11-24-2009, 09:59 PM
I've got an 04 LS V-8 sport. Love the car. Goes perfect. I just started to get the clunk in front and thought it might be a strut mount but will look at the stabilizer deal first. Thanks.

jerryls
11-24-2009, 10:34 PM
It's hard to diagnose if they are bad. There will not be any loseness or rattling visible by crawling under the car and shaking things. If nothing else is bad, it's probably the sway bar bushings. I never did fix it. I just put some pipe insulation on the bar to deaden the noise a bit. The good news is that it does no harm to the tires, alignment, ride etc. The strut bar still performs, its jsut an annoying metal to metal noise.
Good Luck with yours.

kcobra
11-25-2009, 12:20 AM
My noise is funny. It sounds like it's coming from right under the hood yet I can feel something in my foot.

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