The other day at the drag strip, some guy with a vortech S/C on a 99 Civic Si ran 15.00, while my brother did 14.6 in his GSR which has intake, header, type R pistons, and grippy tires. My bro beat him with $1000 worth of moda on an otherwise stock GSR and this civic was supercharged.

It was'nt only this Civic, I've seen a supercharged S2000 do 13.8, when stock is like 14.1. NOT just these two, I've seen countless number of supercharged Hondas doing times an all-motor car could do.

So what's the deal??? Why the hell are supercharged cars so slow?!? If you have a supercharged Honda that's fast, I don't mean to offend you, it's just that every Honda I see with a SC is freakin slow.

Crappy drivers, bad tyres, bling bling rims, no intercooler ect. is probably why. Majority of people don't choose good supporting mods; traction bar, good suspention, good clutch.

Crappy drivers, bad tyres, bling bling rims, no intercooler ect. is probably why. Majority of people don't choose good supporting mods; traction bar, good suspention, good clutch.


yep, it has to be crappy drivers most of the time and all those unnecasary things done to the car.

well yah these things are true but remember that s/c's on hondas are a little overrated. jrsc's on hondas have only seen 30-40hp increase on the dyno. thats not much considering how much they cost. got a honda? go turbo.

deffinetly agree with everyone. and yes supercharges are over rated for hondas and acuras. im glad integra818 posted this. cuz i got a story to go along with it.
about 5 days ago i was driving along main street when i saw this blue civic with its hood open for sale at a car dealership. so i pulled over and checked it out, turnes out it was a 2000 si(b16a2)42000ml w/ i-h-custom 2 1/2'' strait piping with racing cat and greddy exhaust, new stiff clutch and a jackson sc
the salesman came out. and said'', pretty nice ride huh.
we started talking and it turnes out he was my brother's old friend from high school. so he asked if i wanted to take it for a spin. and i said hell yes.
so i drove down main street and asked him if it was cool if i jumped on the freeway and see what it had. he was all for it. so i slowly got on the freeway and once i got in 2nd gear around 5000rpm i floored and haulled
ass tell the middle of 4th(about 105) and i got to say i wasnt that impressed at all! my civ hb/b18c1 could beat it. i mean it was still pretty quick dont get me rong, but just deffinetley not what i expected.
im sure it had stock internals and most likely wasnt tuned though.
plus it was riding on 17'' chrome rims.
my friends civ hb w/ jdm b16 w/je pistons&rods and type-r cam shafts only, could most likely beat it.
anyway they wanted 16,800 for it! lil to high.

i am not a fan of the centerfugial type sc anyways. if you want a sc go with the eaton "jackson racing" they are great for reliablity or auto x ing. other than that TURBOS all the way!!!!

... i floored and haulled
ass tell the middle of 4th(about 105) and i got to say i wasnt that impressed at all! ....


Middle of 4,000 RPM or middle of fourth gear???

I think JR makes a crummy blower but it would be cool to see a nice Eaton S/C for hondas. And most people don't like centerfuigel either.

Middle of 4,000 RPM or middle of fourth gear???
tell the middle of 4th gear.

JRSC's are very limited and when it comes to raw power, they dont get very far as compared to the vortech or a greddy........to say it sucks will only come from people with limited views on force induction. But the vortech at 15.00, hmmmmmmmm they do much better than that........... [i smell sarcasm]..........I know the vortech is an awesome SC setup, and has alot of potential, but i have never got my hands on a vortech.........................yet! Have you driven the JRSC from stop light to stop light. Have you been able to compare it to a setup such as greddy in traffic. The JRSC rides so much better. Plus i can kill a turbocharged si in downtown LA traffic anytime from stop light to stop light. But on the track is different though. My bros greddy b18 will pull consistent 12's as compared to my JRSC 13.94@101..........but wait till my oil lines are done on the Drag EG.

and as for the 15.00 on a vortech si.............no way! must of been my gramma driving that car that day.

My bro beat him with $1000 worth of moda on an otherwise stock GSR and this civic was supercharged.

After uncountable amounts of bonus checks to reduce 1/4 mile times by over 1 1/2 secs, maybe i should of just bought new shoes, an intake and exhaust for my cars instead ;)

jrsc's on hondas have only seen 30-40hp increase on the dyno. thats not much considering how much they cost. got a honda? go turbo

Then how much should it cost to get gains of 30-40 HP? The cost of my motor build, fuel management, and Drag kit far tripled the cost of buying my JRSC and JR bandaids where i just bolted everything up in a day. and for what types of gains? Of course the turbo better be better compared to the JRSC if i put that much money into it. Ill compare once when the Drag is operational.

IMO i would admire an NA rex pulling anything below 11s.

Then how much should it cost to get gains of 30-40 HP?


there is no definate answer to this question, it depends what kind of route u want to go, u should know that man. but the best bang for your buck and the most hp gains goes to the turbocharger.

and yes an na rex pulling 11's would be nice, but that is a costly price. if u have the money go for it, i'll stick with the turbo and the sound of the bov is sweet. a couple days ago on the forum someone wanted to install a bov on their superharged honda :screwy:, i guess they really like that psshhhhhh :icon16:

yes most people do like the turbos but it really depends on what application you're using it for. some people don't rev the engine to 5k every chance they get so turbos don't do too much there. superchargers are good for daily drivers that aren't too harsh and just want some more umpf out of the low end rpm. i don't think anyone really disagrees with this do you?

no we dont dipute that. in fact i have a supercharger in my car. (not a honda) but its a completely different setup then on the hondas.

oh and to reply about the bov on a supercharged car. it is very possible on certain setups such as mine. dont think the jrsc can have one though. only problem is the bov is open whenever youre off throttle, even idle, making it very annoying especially at stop lights.

Hmm, im also a beliver that S/C are overrated. the onlly advantage it has over a turbo charger, is no lag time. but........ if u have a turbo, u can easily install a nitrous kit, too work a low rpm, to make up for the turbo lag, and, since at low rpm, the turbo is not running at full pressure, you wouldnt be damageing the engine.
On another note. Even stock engine, running 7psi could beat a S/C on take off, after like 3k - 4k rpm, depending on the size, and type of turbo

i do agree with u Zonathin. the supercharger give instant power compared to the turbo which takes a while. one thing i want to point out is that not all turbo applications need to be rev to 5k though. if u don't want that long of a wait just get smaller turbo application. cuba also has a good approach to help reduce lag. another way would even be to get a seqeuntial turbo setup. again though, if u want modest gains and instant power, go for the s/c, but i'll still would rather stick with the turbo :naughty:.

as far as the bov on the s/c, what's the point? it doesn't serve a purpose at all except that to make it sounds really annoying, if he really wanted one, he should have of just gotten the turbo in the first place. now instead of ppssshhhhhhh, it's more like ppppssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

there is no definate answer to this question, it depends what kind of route u want to go, u should know that man. but the best bang for your buck and the most hp gains goes to the turbocharger.

Good job on the final jeopardy question.

well yah these things are true but remember that s/c's on hondas are a little overrated. jrsc's on hondas have only seen 30-40hp increase on the dyno. thats not much considering how much they cost. got a honda? go turbo.

I dont think a $1200 bolt on that will give 30-40 HP gains and will eat V8s is overrated. I think it speaks for itself. Anti-JRSC attitudes are due to the JRSC power limitations and heat problems that arise due to increased boost levels.......so what does that mean?...........It means if your on a tight budget, it is a good upgrade. If you have the funds to pull 300+ Whp, then get yourself a turbocharger and support it well. Where else will you find a bolt on that will give you that much power? Of course the turbocharger is going to give you more overall power, but at what cost ;)

I think JR makes a crummy blower but it would be cool to see a nice Eaton S/C for hondas. And most people don't like centerfuigel either.

hey man, jacksons are EATON blowers

superblue, i have been doing this for close to 10 years, yes i have installed, owned, and tuned about every kind of honda set up you can think of. my comments are strickly factual and experienced based, not hearsay.

hey man, jacksons are EATON blowers
me knows that thats why I said it be nice too see a GOOD one. I think a nice eaton blower would be awesome IMHO.

superblue, i have been doing this for close to 10 years, yes i have installed, owned, and tuned about every kind of honda set up you can think of. my comments are strickly factual and experienced based, not hearsay.

I need some tuning, and have many experiences with very bad tuners. where are you from?

anyways...........Yes, i just like to defend the JRSC because its the underdog when it comes to force induced hondas. I just dont like people saying that it sucks, just because it is limited in power. Its like saying, "buying a $1200 set of I/H/E sucks because it will give you minimal gains and is not the best bang for the buck." If you were to compare the $1200 purchase of a JRSC vs I/H/E, the JRSC would triple the best bang for the buck value compared to the I/H/E.

The reality of the turbocharger vs the SC in terms of cost (best bang for the buck) comes down to them being equal. The SC will be cheaper and give high gains for the cost of limitations (the JRSC that is). But the turbocharger will not be so limited, but at what cost.

My experience tells me that any force induced honda will suck, with the improper setups, lack of fuel management, and tuning.

My point is just because an SC is limited does not mean it sucks. The better way to say it is, "an SC is limited and so because i am power hungry, i will not work with it because i will not get very far with it."

To say a $1200 bolt on that will eat V8s sucks.....you should ask yourself, "Where can I buy a setup for $1200 or less that will allow my B series motor to do just that?"

i know some ppl here know im kinda new at this but i think superchargers( well from what ive heard) are only good for autocross races because of the instant power instead of turbo lag....but ive quickly learned that if u dont want turbo lag either go sequential or use a NOS feed to spool it faster or possibly both! i saw a nice setup today( me being the s2000 fan) and it was a sequential twin turbo setup. i saw it take off as well and all i could say is WOW!! now ppl here have told me to go super for my s2000 but after seeing that setup of sequential turbos and NOS for a faster jump start......im deff considering turbos. but i guess u could do the same w/ a vortech s/c, use NOS to get it to high rpm to get the needed power u want. itll take alot of skill to get use to it but i think its also a good format. but like always it always boils down to this question......WHAT ARE U LOOKING TO DO W/ THE CAR?

My experience tells me that any force induced honda will suck, with the improper setups, lack of fuel management, and tuning.

To say a $1200 bolt on that will eat V8s sucks.....you should ask yourself, "Where can I buy a setup for $1200 or less that will allow my B series motor to do just that?"

ya that si i drove w/jackson sc was deffinitly running low psi with stock internals. and i really dont think it's been tuned either.
oh and also for $500 you could get a 55shot that would be faster than the sc.
with a good tune job you can see major hp gains. i gained 33hp getting my car tuned with just bolt ons. lost 3tenths off my 1/4ml.
my friend has a jdmb16 w/ gude type-r cams and je pistons and rods and has never had a tune job. i bet he would lose a half sec. om his 1/4ml.

Let's say the type of racing I do only uses mid second to high third, would a SC be good??? I don't care about drag racing much, I'm more of a canyon-carver type. SuperblueCivicSi mentioned it would be good for auto-x, I'm gonna believe him, anyone else have opinions on weather or not a SC is good for auto-x???

superchargers deff fit auto-x races, because u have low rpm on those turns and ud get way too much lag on ur car so ud fall behind in an instant! i know ppl say u can spay to get it to spool but itll eat away at ur engine and ull wind up doing more maintnence to ur car! deff not worth it so id go w/ a s/c. also im goin thatway too and a twinscrew s/c is the best s/c ive ever seen. i dunno if its compatible to ur or even my engine so u should ask around and see if there is one thatll fit ur engine.....a whipple twin screw s/c is the best way to go and ud eat up all the other competition!!

superchargers deff fit auto-x races, because u have low rpm on those turns and ud get way too much lag on ur car so ud fall behind in an instant! i know ppl say u can spay to get it to spool but itll eat away at ur engine and ull wind up doing more maintnence to ur car! deff not worth it so id go w/ a s/c. also im goin thatway too and a twinscrew s/c is the best s/c ive ever seen. i dunno if its compatible to ur or even my engine so u should ask around and see if there is one thatll fit ur engine.....a whipple twin screw s/c is the best way to go and ud eat up all the other competition!!


Yeah, superchargers would be good for auto-x because of reduced lag time, but what if I was doing a canyon sprint and I was always in high RPM, and having my engine work inbetween 5K and 8K, would a supercharger be good for that???.. would it pick up from 5K to 8K quickly or would a turbo be better for something like this?

oh and also for $500 you could get a 55shot that would be faster than the sc.

I was wondering when someone was going to say this ;)

You forgot to add the cost of refills over time and usage ;)

cuba, using NOS to make up the difference before the turbo spools is not only stupid it's dangerous for your engine. NOS requires an RPM minimum to reduce the damage that it does to the engine. Engaging it at anything less that 4000 RPM is like trying to start your car off from the lights in 4th gear and when you hear it start to stall, planting your foot on the gas and start riding the clutch. Such powerful explosions as the NOS produces SHOULD NOT occur at the lower RPM where the engine can't safely dissapate the explosion in the next rapid revolution.

HyperS, is'nt it more like 3K RPM???

well prob its possible to use NOS to spool if u get some of those real small tanks, that shouldnt provide so much power and be alot less dangerous...but thats just me in my trane of thought.

integra818 the higher the rpm the more power the s/c will output.and if ur doin an auto-x race, u may be in high rpm alot but those turns will screw u because theres no way ull still be in like 4krpm or so after a tight turn so if u install the turbos ull get lag in every turn and i know u dont want that.go with the s/c ur much better off. now i wish they had a compatible twin screw.those s/c's r the best ive seen. those bad boys r always at max so imagine that. too bad they dont have any that i know of....but if they did like i said b4.all other cars would be a midnight snack to u in that type of race!!!

i have a twin screw in my car :biggrin: but its no a honda of course. yes it is good but extremely loud. takes some getting used to and people look at you wierd all the time. oh well :iceslolan

hey edman24 wat kind of car u drive?

Superchargers trail off in the higher RPM ranges. They basically provide low-end torque very well. I'm just not sure if the power curve dips BELOW the original one or sits ON it, or actually still provides power above what the engine would have made at these high 8000RPM platforms. If I'm right, V-Tec and superchargers don't mix very well.

If anyone could answer that I'd appreciate it.

i drive a 1990 vw corrado g60 with a lysholm twin screw supercharger and lots of other tasty mods. and no i dont think superchargers exactly trail off on top end, but they dont have a power spike at high revs like turbos do. cause as soon as youre on the throttle you have full boost with an s/c so it feels as though it tapers off. but trust me if it did, my little 4 cylinder wouldnt kill bmw's on the freeway in fifth gear :smokin: