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nisco

11-26-2003, 10:53 AM

ColeIketani

11-26-2003, 06:07 PM

TibsBeatALL and Nisco are completely right. :iceslolan

Jared, what the hell are you thinking coming onto a forum FULL of people who own the car and bitching about it? I mean seriously.

My Two Cents :2cents:

That makes you a :loser: and REALLY :screwy: . BAD IDEA :nono:

The reason we buy true imports like the Tiburon is so later we can add mods and compoents for it. Seriously, what the hell are you thinking? Comparing the Z28 and the Stang to it? That's is just stupid.... Have you ever driven a Tib?....

admthex

11-28-2003, 04:03 PM

heh, if he test drove one he wouldnt be talkin smack...

tibby01

11-28-2003, 08:01 PM

god im tired of these morons...

first off, if you dont like the car, why waste your time typing?
its prolly cause you have no life, and just sit on the internet jerking off to pictures of mustangs and camaros, loser

second off,

msrp of 03 v6 tibby= 19149
1/4 mile time= 15.3

msrp of 02 stang= 23220
1/4 mile time= 15.1

msrp of 02 z28= 22830
1/4 mile time = 13.3

and the tib would crush both on the track. with the 4000 dollars you save, you could buy a turbo and other things and blow the doors off the both cars in the 1/4 mile.

also, none of use our at or from hyundai. we are just owners, we dont have anything to do with what hyundai does.

Jared_80

12-01-2003, 08:53 AM

the whole import scene is that you tune a car....
you add things to it...
domestics have never been in that alley... domestic car cos.... try and make their cars as good aspossible...
imports aremade to be upgraded.... you want performance.. put money in your car.....
and teh mustang gt and camaro... are way outa the price range of he tib.. so you have no clue what youre arguing abotu anf know nothing of the tib or anything to do with cars it looks like.... so dotn make stupid arguemnts.... and dont try and act liek you know what youre talking abotu cause you jus proved to everyone tyou dont... so if you wanna learn ask questions.. if not.. dont post here.. cause if youre lookingto start a fight... youll lose... horribly

Wow I thought that my spelling was bad! First off the Camaro is not way out of that price range. The 6 cylinder is about the same and the late model Z28 base price was only 22k new. As for me not knowing anything about cars please come and debate me on the technical forum. I will show you who does not know what they are talking about. I have been studying for three years trying to learn everything there is to know about cars so that I can open my own buisness.

Jared_80

12-01-2003, 09:02 AM

nisco

12-01-2003, 11:37 AM

OK yall think that I am just complaining about nothing. Fine then prove me wrong! Who here has the fastest Tiburon? Can you beat an Evo? Surely someone here has a 6 cylinder that can beat that turbo 4 right? 13.06 in the 1/4 mile 0-60 in 4.3-4.6 secoonds depending on the year model. I would venture to say that 99% of Tiburons are nothing more than posers and anyone who actualy made a true speed machine out of it could have done it much easier/cheaper with another car. The fastest Tiburon that I have ever seen had a mere 250hp, and even that car could not match up to an Evo. So before you attack me listen to what I am saying and look it up for yourselves. Hyundai needs to give us somthing with real proformance potential. Oh and that Mustang 1/4 mile time that you quoted is the 6 cylinder not the GT.

youre an idiot.. you knwo absolutely nothin of teh korean or american import tuner scene....
everyone knows that forced injection will beat a v6... i dont know what youre trying to prove?
99% of tibs are posers?.. what the fuck are you talking about?... do oyu have a reason for makin posts iin here or are you another tool trying to start shit against tiburon owners?... the fatsest tib... is in korea... pushing 3 times as much as that... :rolleyes: and the tib you saw musta been a v6 with a super charger...
and evos and wrxs and srt-4s arent anythign special... peopel keep talkin 1/4 mile times and traps and 0-60
its a known fact the tib can beat any of those cars at 75+ mph... if youre gonna race make it worth it even a tib can beat an s 2000 in the 1/8
youve been studying cars for 3 years.. congrat iim happy for you... :loser: ... but know what youre talking about... you apparently dont know anything about korean cars... and korean cars are different from japanese cars and THE CARS YOU COMPARE TO THE TIB ARE DOMESTICS...
not even in teh same class....
the evo/ wrx/srt-4... are all forced induction... TURBO'D and the tib isnt.. unless you do it aftermarketly.... we dont need another wanna be know it all dick on these boards....
and you dont know jack about imports.... :nono: stick with your domestics :lol:

tibby01

12-01-2003, 11:43 AM

im sick and tired of fucking morons that think they know everything. ya got more to learn pal.

the website i was getting the info off of said it was the gt...oh well.

over 250hp...no problem
http://hyundaiperformance.com/forums/topic.php?t=37042

you want high hp tibs... check this out. those are on stock blocks too. one is even on a stock tranny.
http://hyundaiperformance.com/forums/topic.php?t=25379

and what about the 600+ twin engine tib. 10 second 1/4 mile times on stock wheels and tires.
http://www.ecanfix.com/~hyperform/matt/Videos/tibouron_clip.mov

another thing you dont know, is that the i4 beta engine is better than the v6 delta engine in the tib when running high hp loads. looks like someone needs some more studying if you think a v6 is automatically better than a i4 engine.

the main thing you dont know though, is that hyundais are bought by most because they are cheap and efficient economy cars... so people that buy them generally dont have the money to tune them to there potential. poeple in korea however, have found the potential and it is very high. its only a matter of time before you see more tibs in the states with killer hp.

ColeIketani

12-01-2003, 08:45 PM

what is the point of Jared's posts? If it's to prove that he's a moron that likes to bitch about stuff. Mission Sucess. I mean seriously from a person who doesn't seem to own a Tib, to say that 99% are posers seems pretty uninformed and stupid

ColeIketani

12-01-2003, 09:12 PM

Also I'm guessing that "We" means "you, the idiot"

Jared_80

12-02-2003, 09:59 AM

Also I'm guessing that "We" means "you, the idiot"

I am not the idiot here all I said was that these things needed more power because the don't match up to their compatition, and that is a fact that is not subject to your ideas. Check your specs if you don't beleve me. for crying out loud you cannot even match the stupid neon turbo which is in your price range. You guys have yet to bring one decent defense to the table. Even the muscle car nuts can do that. And one of you thinks that creating boost pressure is called "forced injection"!!! It is called forced induction get it right, I did not come here looking for a fight I was just here to see if any of you agree with me, but since you want to make it into a fight I will thrash all of you by myself. Because I do know what I am talking about, and I have only seen one of you say somthing slightly intelegent.

Hey Tibby thanks for the links, although 288hp is impressive; the 1/4 mile times are weak. An Evo runs a 13.06 compared to the mid 14s that this Tiburon runs. Even a stock neon turbo can run a 14 flat.

tibby01

12-02-2003, 01:04 PM

the quarter times were weak cause it was his first time at the track. you also gotta remember that none of those cars can boast a ten year warranty.http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon12.gif

and i messed up on my first post... the msrp of the v6 tibby is 18000.

portscan69

12-02-2003, 01:32 PM

Tiburon's run 15's Jared_80. To be exact the Tiburon is in with it's competitors. Put a turbo on the Tiburon and see what it does to the Neon. Eclipse Spyder is in Tiburon Competition and the Tiburon times in all events are better than the spyder... The Celica GT-S top speed 134, tiburon 137.. Celica with 10 more HP on the Tiburon only gets the Tiburon in the quarter mile by .2 10th's of a second... 1 slip up by the driver in the celica and the tiburon would murder it.. So check your stats first cause the Tiburon is well in competition with competitors.. Here is the stats of both cars, look at the slight difference in them both.

2003 Celica GT-S

Base price : $21,970

Engine : 4 cylinder, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 1,796 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 4-spd Sportshift
Fuel economy : city - 23 mpg(manual and automatic)
highway - 32 mpg(manual), 30 mpg(automatic)

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent double wishbones
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 180hp @ 7600 rpm
Torque : 130 lb-ft @ 6800 rpm
Redline : 7800 rpm

Top speed : 134 mph
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.(manual)
0-¼ mile : 15.4 sec @ 91.6 mph
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft.

Curb Weight : 2500-2580 lbs
Overall length : 170.5 in.
Wheelbase : 102.4 in.
Overall Width : 68.3 in.
Height : 51.4 in.

2003 Tiburon GT

Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,656 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 18-20 mpg
highway - 26 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson struts
R - Multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 170hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 181 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm

Top speed : 137 mph
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.(manual)
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 88.8 mph
60-0 braking distance : 122 ft

Curb Weight : 3023 lbs
Overall length : 173.0 in.
Wheelbase : 99.6 in.
Overall Width : 69.3 in.
Height : 52.3 in.

0-60 is 7.2 for both cars

Jared_80

12-02-2003, 04:47 PM

Tiburon's run 15's Jared_80. To be exact the Tiburon is in with it's competitors. Put a turbo on the Tiburon and see what it does to the Neon. Eclipse Spyder is in Tiburon Competition and the Tiburon times in all events are better than the spyder... The Celica GT-S top speed 134, tiburon 137.. Celica with 10 more HP on the Tiburon only gets the Tiburon in the quarter mile by .2 10th's of a second... 1 slip up by the driver in the celica and the tiburon would murder it.. So check your stats first cause the Tiburon is well in competition with competitors..

First off who is comparing it to the Celica??? The Celica a good car and all but on the track it is not much either. Secondly .2 seconds is alot of time in the 1/4 mile when you are racing for money. Third even if I was comparing it to the Celica the top speed in most proformance cars is electronicly regulated, so the 134mph top speed of the Celica does not mean anything once you replace the fuel pump (which you would have to do anyway if you were adding boost) As far as putting a turbo on a Tiburon you would void your wonderful warenty that you are so proud of because Hyundai does not have an in-house proformance department like Toyota (TRD) or Nissan (NISSMO). Also their engines are not turbo proven like the 4g-63, RB26DETT, SW20, 2JZ-GTE, or the SR20DET. I have never seen a Hyundai put out 800+whp on stock internals(I have seen a Toyota do that) and I don't think that I ever will. Lancers are frequently tuned to past 500hp and since they can put that power to the ground (AWD and LSD) they can do things that no Tiburon could ever hope to do. Oh as far as price goes by time you turbo your car and install a LSD you will have spent at leased as much as the new Evo RS costs, and you will still loose to the AWD traction. I hate to sound mean but I doubt that even with 10k in mods you could take a J-spec Evo and he still has way more tuning potential.

tibby01

12-02-2003, 07:55 PM

First off who is comparing it to the Celica???

you said "real import tuners" and alot of people think celicas and eclipses are benchmarks of import tuner cars.

1) the tib would run VERY VERY close to any of your domestic cars on a real track while being 5k less than the stang gt and 3k less than the z28.

2) the neon turbo is not stupid, and could run with any one of those domestics, stock. with the extra money saved off the msrp, it wouldnt even be a contest.

3) .2 seconds is not much time at all. remember, these are people testing these cars, not machines. im sure those times were taken after 3 runs TOPS, where even the best drivers dont have enough time to "feel" the car and run it to its best time.

4) you were comparing it in its stock form, thats why i was talking about the warranty. i was showing that it was near the other cars performance-wise, with a 100000 mile warranty.

5) i dont even know why you are comparing it to the evo, its like a bidgillion dollars.

6) gimme half the difference between the i4 tibby(16000) and the j spec evo (around 36000 im guessing) and ill show you what the true tiburon engine can do.

7) the stock internals on a toyota that can do that are off of a 40000+ dollar car. where the hell does that fall in with a tiburon?

8)i4 tibby= 16000
turbo kit(includes strengthened internals) = 3500
LSD = 800
heavy clutch kit = 600
exhaust = 400
haltech = 800
boost contolller= 300

that will give you well over 250 whp. under high boost, prolly 320+.
all for 22000

if you dont believe me on the prices, i can post websites for you, just dont have the time now.

9) the v6 is not meant for high hp. its meant for good stock power, not to be drastically tuned. it wasnt built for that. the bottom end bolts rip right outta the block at around 250 whp cause they have a torque spec rating of about 12lbs.ft. look at its beta 4 cylinder cousin though, its a whole nother story.

10) the v6 tib's engine is only 2.7 liters.

so that is 67 hp per liter

stang gt= 56 hp per liter

z28 = 54 hp per liter

who has the better engine technology?

nisco

12-02-2003, 07:59 PM

see now thats a man who knows his shit.. unlike a stupid fuckin tool like someone on these threads who thinks hes the shit.... no names mentioned
:screwy:

Jared_80

12-02-2003, 08:17 PM

You said it best tibby that V6 was not ment for serous tuning, that is why I think that it does not belong in a sports car. Though you are smoking crack if you think that the Celica or the Eclips is the benchmark for tuners!!! Have you ever even seen a Supra, an Evo (28,000 not a bagillion and the faster RS version will be about 2k less)have you seen a 300ZX, how about a NSX, what about a WRX?!? The Celica and Eclipse (with the exception of the GSX model) are the cars of choice for posers not real tuners, when you understand that then I can teach you more. Please note that the Japanese rarly tune the Celica or the Eclipse, because they are not that good for compatition level proformance, just like the Tiburon. Oh and to get that 4 banger to 300hp you would have to give it over 15psi of boost!!! Show me a turbo kit that will do that reliably for $3500! Even if you could do that you would have to modify your diff if you wanted to put that any of that power to the ground and that is another grand after instalation.

tibby01

12-02-2003, 09:40 PM

you said "real import tuners" and alot of people think celicas and eclipses are benchmarks of import tuner cars.

notice how i said "a lot of people". here in the states they do think that. i never said i specifically did. how many people do you know of that have a supra, nsx, evo, wrx, or 300zx? if its a lot ill start being your friend. how can they be a benchmark with so little produced?

Even if you could do that you would have to modify your diff if you wanted to put that any of that power to the ground and that is another grand after instalation.

i put LSD on the list. look closely. and "real" tuners dont pay somone to do the installation, they do it themselves.

Oh and to get that 4 banger to 300hp you would have to give it over 15psi of boost!!! Show me a turbo kit that will do that reliably for $3500!.

check out the turbo kit for the beta
http://www.speed-factor.com/

2600 no pistons. get some pistons http://www.kspec.com/list.php?ac_id=38&ai_id=136

some rods http://www.pauter.com/billet_rods.htm

sell the safc and turbo timer from the kit, buy a haltech system.

your engine is now a lot stronger and your at 3500 with close to 300hp at the crank. the garret turbo can push 15pounds no problem. its the haltech that is the key though.

just wondering... what kind of car do you own?

now leave me alone... gotta write a 12 page research paper by tomorrowhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon8.gifhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon10.gif

ColeIketani

12-02-2003, 09:52 PM

Also I have to say that there are other types of competitive driving angles that the Tib is a great contender in besides drag time. It's a great slalom car and does great on spirited backroads. (Talking about the I4 and the GT). So far I fail to see the point in Jared real arguement if he really knows how to drive his own car. I mean seriously the bottom line is, if you don't own the car and want to prove that your car is better, just go out on the street and beat it yourself in a competive race of any type.

portscan69

12-03-2003, 07:13 AM

nisco

12-03-2003, 12:36 PM

who really wants a wrx... evo... or srt-4 to tune?.. its already built up?... theres honestly not much more to do other than upgrade them....
i can get my tib v6 super charged to close to 300 whp... yeah thats more horses than those turbo'd monters...
so you really dont know shit...
i knwo a guy who has taken alpine's super charger and tweeked it... he made one to get to 250 whp... and his own is close to 300... so you really dont know too much abotu anything.. you know facts... and facare not always true...
the mazdarx-8 keeps losing horse power from what mazda stated it had...
i wouldnt have fun tuning an evo/wrx/srt-4... i would have more fun puttin my time and money in a car that is not only better looking but in the end has better all around value

and with the 6 grand id spend on the super charger and a brand new v6.. id still have more money to spend to equal the total value of any of teh cars you keep mentioning...
:loser:

TibsBeatALL

12-03-2003, 09:57 PM

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 09:36 AM

whoa man...
did he jus compare the tibby to a NSX and a Supra??
uh........
i don't think you realize the price differences.
u were on the losing side from the start.
u jus made an ass of yourself and i'm totally happy for you cuz ur an idiot.
geez wat a cracker.

I did not compare the Supra or the NSX to the Tib; read the prevous quotes. I said that the Eclipse and Celica were not the "benchmark" of tuners. Don't twist what I am saying.

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 09:41 AM

Jared you stated that the tib wasnt with it's competitors and i simply showed that it was but tibby laid that shit out the ko-rect way.. Face it, the tib has got it. Just cause it isnt a Honda or Nissan doesnt mean it's not in with competition. Also there is a turbo and supercharger for the Tiburon that will not void your warranty..

Ok yall keep talking about the tib like it is a great tuner car so show me ONE that can match a stock Evo in the slolom, or 0-60, better yet try to find one that can do that for less than the stock evo costs. I bet that you cannot, and yall can turbocharge thet 4 all you want to but without a LSD you will never get very good 1/4 mile times. The ONLY things that I have seen a tib do very well is look really good sitting still, and having a great warenty.

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 09:46 AM

nisco

12-04-2003, 12:13 PM

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 12:36 PM

man.. i dont think you realize how new the aftermarket following for teh 03 tib is....
you dun understand that almost everything on this car is new!
it took hyundai long enough to get repsect.. and once they do... people wanna knock it... cause its name is hyundai... repetitive arguements are jus blahh blahh blahh to tib owners.. theyve heard it all before... if you even owned a tib youd see hwo difficult and hwo expensive its been to tune a hyundai... the cars and comanies youve named... all have huge aftermarket following... and teh wrx... ev.. and srt-4 all have factory warranties... even with their turbos.,.. plus you can buy up grade kits.. from teh dealer.....

you keep comparing cars way outa teh price range to teh tib...
youre comparing the tib to a supra and an nsx...

we understand youre not happy with the tib... and your arguments are pointlesss...

in any race.. a real championship race..
teh tib would not even be in teh same class as an evo/wrx/srt4
those all f/i the tib unless it has a turbo wouodnt be in that class itd be in teh n/a catagory

Wow! dude I am nobody to complain about spelling but I had a hard time making out some of those words. You still did not anwser my challange, find me a tib that can take an Evo in the 0-60 or the slolom. I don't care how great your aftermarket folowing is. And some of the cars that I quoted are not out of your price range like the srt-4 which is just a little more. And quit saying that I am comparing the NSX and WRX to the tib :banghead: I just said that the Celica and Eclipse were not the benchmark that sombody clamed they were. If you read this thread you would know that. I have no doubt that the tib is a pretty good car but I am saying that it is not a proformance car, now take on my challenge and prove me wrong or shut up!!!! :p I started this because I like the layout of the tib and I thought that it was a shame that they made it so weak, I did not come here for a fight but if that is the way you want it so be it, I said it before and I will say it again anyone who calls me out will be pubicly thrashed. Oh and yes you are right about the turbos not being in the same class as the tib, but the Eclipse GT, and the 350Z are! And trust me when I say that you will not win anything there! I have seen NA 4 banger that would take your V6 to the cleaners in the same price range! I think that it was SCC a few months ago compared all of the sports cars under 20k and the tib came in DEAD LAST!! Behind the proformance Focus, behind the Mini, behind the Mazdaspeed Protage, behind the srt-4. So what do you have to say about that??? :rofl: :lol: :cwm27: :iceslolan :grinno: :evillol: :icon16: :lol2: Face it you guys just loose any way you look at it! Still don't beleve me that the tib needs work?? Do you want me to rub it in some more or do you give up? You guys are almost as bad as those posers who "tune" civics, who think that 20" crome rims and body kits make a car fast. Do you know what is really sad I am an import fan I drive nothing but imports and even I think that you are dumb. Even the muscle car guys can make a better argument than you! What is wrong with you??

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 01:09 PM

The truth hurts. :evillol:

tibby01

12-04-2003, 01:23 PM

I bet that you cannot, and yall can turbocharge thet 4 all you want to but without a LSD you will never get very good 1/4 mile times.

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

Even if you could do that you would have to modify your diff if you wanted to put that any of that power to the ground and that is another grand after instalation.
i put LSD on the list. look closely. and "real" tuners dont pay somone to do the installation, they do it themselves.

THIS GUY IS A MODERATOR MIND YOU. HE KNOWS HIS SHIT!!!

You'd do 11's with some after part mod's. the 0-60 figure is more like 5.x not 4.x, and the 1/4 mile is approximately 13.7.

Ok yall keep talking about the tib like it is a great tuner car so show me ONE that can match a stock Evo in the slolom, or 0-60, better yet try to find one that can do that for less than the stock evo costs. I bet that you cannot, and yall can turbocharge thet 4 all you want to but without a LSD you will never get very good 1/4 mile times.

check this out, without LSD. he has spent under 20,000 alltogether too. 13.4 seconds, bitch. you dont know what you are talking about.
http://hyundaiperformance.com/forums/topic.php?t=36496

i cant make out the 0-60 time, but its prolly equal to the evo.

tibby01

12-04-2003, 01:35 PM

GOD YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!

scc ranked it #3 in the 2002 eight great rides article

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0204scc_8great03/index.html

Jared_80

12-04-2003, 03:07 PM

GOD YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!

scc ranked it #3 in the 2002 eight great rides article

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0204scc_8great03/index.html

It must have been HCI that I saw it in. Anyway that does not change the fact that you still have not anwserd my challenge a 13.4 will not cut it. And if we use the RS then you are not even close, and as far as your 0-60 I would bet good money that it is not as fast as the Evo unless he was on drag slicks. AWD vs. FWD AWD wins off the line easly. So where is your defence, where is your anwser to my chalenge? You don't have one because it does not exist! Quit telling me what you can do with it and show me. I have yet to see anything that is impressive here. Like I said before the musclecar guys make a much better case than you! :lol:

I await your desprete, bias and assuming anwser to my challenge. :smokin:

tibby01

12-04-2003, 04:08 PM

that MODERATOR said that the 1/4 mile time of the evo was a 13.7. how will a 13.4 not cut it? wait until he gets his LSD, it wont even be close. and he still will have spent less than 20k. i can see that 0-60 matters in a real track, but in the quarter mile, its all about who crosses the line first.

also, i still dont understand why the hell you are comparing an evo to a tib. the tib is more than 10k dollars less than it. you think cars like the evo are meant for "real" tuners. god your dumb. real tuners do not have the money for those cars. they have to put in a whole lot more effort into making their cheap cars fast. thats the whole point of being a tuner. its all about where you started, and where you are when your finished.

and i DO have one, actually two tibs that i have already posted that meet your challenge, and crush it by 300hp. i guess you have already forgotten about the 600hp tibs i posted huh.

another thing you still have to learn is that awd doesnt beat fwd off the line easily. you see, an AWD drivetrain on a car makes it much more heavier than a FWD. more weight=slower acceleration. put slicks and an LSD on a fwd car and slicks and an LSD on a awd car and the fwd one would win(given the cars are equal).

you apparently still have lots more to learn about the world of tuning. you obviously were suprised when i posted those tibs, as you said they couldnt go over 250hp. that 4cylnder gk tib had 288whp which is well over 300hp at the crank. dont ever underestimate cars that people think arent meant to be tuned. such as this saturn http://www.differentracing.com/multimedia/events/battle_101803/

http://hyundaiperformance.com/forums/topic.php?t=41140

yes it blew, but that was after 100nitrous runs. 12.4 et. bet you never thought a stock saturn engine could do that.

portscan69

12-04-2003, 04:46 PM

The Tiburon will walk all over an Eclipse GT and the Eclipse Spyder as well. All you can compare is the freaking Evo, WRX and the SRT-4 Which all is TURBO'D! The 350Z will walk over that WRX as well. (not the STI, the regular WRX) You must not realize that there is Tib's in Korea with 700HP easy.. There is one running 8's in a quarter mile.. Put your evo up to that.. Tibs can be tuned to perform just as good or even out-perform any of the cars you just named. People who want to "tune" a car will buy one that has some power but has room for more. This is what a Tib is.. The car has excellent torque and has room for plenty of tuning. Lets take a small amout of parts and see what HP we can come up with off the top of my head..

Stock Tiburon 171 HP

Mussa Cat back Exhaust + 17 HP

Alpine Supercharger + 47.7 HP

Injen CAI + 7 HP

There is about 72HP off of just 3 Mods for about 3800 bucks... 171 + 72 = 243. Roughly 243 HP after those 3 mods and that's just off my head cause my GF is waiting on me to get home cause ima get some ass.. Peace out.

TibsBeatALL

12-04-2003, 07:44 PM

ColeIketani

12-06-2003, 09:12 AM

another thing I have to add is that the EVO base is around 28 grand (not sure to the letter here), and the Tib runs from 16 to 21 grand (through all of the trims). and if I remember correctly the NSX is like a 90,000 dollar car or something around there. The point is that you're comparing apples to oranges and turning out a funk ass weak arguement.

tibby01

12-07-2003, 04:33 PM

hehe this is not a "Real tuner" car. hyundai accent. and since you love your precious evo 8 so much...

http://www.eltuque.com/pista/images/galeria/20031126/Picture%20058.jpg
http://www.eltuque.com/pista/images/galeria/20031126/Picture%20059.jpg

that car is daily driven too.

nisco

12-07-2003, 08:24 PM

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN :eek7: :iceslolan :smokin:
SO DO YOU THINKN THIS GUY WILL GO THE FUCK AWAY NOW?..or will he try another arguement or stick with this one?

indafastln

12-07-2003, 09:43 PM

anyone else see that he drives an '87 corolla?

and he's bashing the tiburon???

nisco

12-08-2003, 02:03 PM

ehh we dun care abotu him too much..

Jared_80

12-09-2003, 09:44 AM

umm....
u said how bout u look at the NSX, Supra, and STI.
if that's not comparing, i don' kno wat is.
if ur asking us to look at it and think. that's asking us to c ompare it.
and plz dont bitch about spelling.
cuz that's stupid. u got nothing important to say. so u bitch about spelling.
and a 13.4 on the quarter will cut it u freaking tard.
the evolution's quarter is at 13.8
stupid ass

Dang what language was that? And then you want to call me stupid! News flash dimwit the Evo's 1/4 mile is still 13.06 (that is from Motor Trend) quit quoting the worst drivers numbers and look at a real source. I could find some idiot that could not get a tib to 1/4 in 20 seconds if I wanted to, but insted I accept the faster numbers because they used good drivers. MT has good drivers and accurate mesurments so I use them as a refrence, not some internet geek that hapend to picked to run this site. Get some real numbers and then come back to fight. Face it you are fighting a war with no ammo, wait untill next year maby they will make the tib turbocharged or somthing. Oh yea and someone here keeps quoting some 600hp tib, guss what that was nothing but a NOS engine that thing blew up! My challange still stands nobody has anwserd it yet, and I doubt that anybody ever will.

Jared_80

12-09-2003, 09:53 AM

ColeIketani

12-09-2003, 10:04 AM

Oh yea by the way a hyundai at my workplace broke down Sunday I asked the lady if the car has been giving her much trouble, and she said that she hated that car because it always broke down on her, and it is a new one too.

Oh "wah wah". Sometimes that happens. I had a 86 Hyundai Excel that ran for about 10years, "NEVER had to take it to the shop. My family also has a 99 Tiburon. In the almost six years I've had it. Never had to take it to the shop. This 03 will be the same.

But at least we know that we can use his "lady at the workplace" as the determining factor in his losing argument :loser: lol

indafastln

12-09-2003, 10:23 AM

Oh and for anybody that wants to diss my car, get a life
we won't "diss" your car if you don't "diss" our cars

that is a great old car it has NEVER left me on the side of the road
my car has never died on me, and if it ever does i've got a 10 yr warranty

nisco

12-09-2003, 11:14 AM

Oh and for anybody that wants to diss my car, get a life that is a great old car it has NEVER left me on the side of the road and it gets 40mpg on the highway (with a carbarator!) which is better than any Hyundai that I know of, so keep talking. Oh yea by the way a hyundai at my workplace broke down Sunday I asked the lady if the car has been giving her much trouble, and she said that she hated that car because it always broke down on her, and it is a new one too.

now look whos on the defensive... and youre raggin on our cars... and you have a piece of shit...
fuckin hater.....
:rofl:
man youre the one who has to grow up.....
not all hyundais are the same
get back to work you freakin grease moneky and try not to make yourslef look so dumb here

portscan69

12-09-2003, 11:44 AM

tibby01

12-09-2003, 01:24 PM

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 10:03 AM

40 MPG per gallon, not too bad.. A guy I work with drove is Hyndai Accent from Texas to Ft Campbell, KY on 13 dollars gas..

But you come here raggin us and you drive a freakin corolla, dude, what were you thinking.

LOL@nisco

I am not ragging on you I just think that the tib need a few things to make it a true sports car. Here it what it needs.

A one way limited slip differential (a clutch style)
or
An AWD option (cause an open diff FWD has no launch)

A supercharger (5-6 psi would be great, about 250hp)

Wider tires (its slolom and breaking need more ruber on the road)

A diet (loose about 200lbs) It can be done the Celica only weighs 2500lbs and the extra two cylinders don't weigh that much.

If they would make a model with these imporvmants for under 22k I would be in line to buy one, but as they are now they are nothing but a fast economy car and not a proformance machine. I want somthing that is more than a match for a neon srt-4 with a good warenty. Is that too much to ask? Is there somthing wrong in asking for more?

portscan69

12-11-2003, 11:31 AM

I am not ragging on you I just think that the tib need a few things to make it a true sports car. Here it what it needs.

A one way limited slip differential (a clutch style)
or
An AWD option (cause an open diff FWD has no launch)

A supercharger (5-6 psi would be great, about 250hp)

Wider tires (its slolom and breaking need more ruber on the road)

A diet (loose about 200lbs) It can be done the Celica only weighs 2500lbs and the extra two cylinders don't weigh that much.

If they would make a model with these imporvmants for under 22k I would be in line to buy one, but as they are now they are nothing but a fast economy car and not a proformance machine. I want somthing that is more than a match for a neon srt-4 with a good warenty. Is that too much to ask? Is there somthing wrong in asking for more?

First off it's warranty not warenty and all that can be added to the tiburon.. there is a supercharger, there is a LSD and wider tires is on you. You can always buy the 19000 dollar tib put 3 g's in it and have that 22k car that will run with the SRT-4.

Your argument isn't just Jared. Your rattling on and on about something that apparently you don't know too much about.

The Celica weighing less comment. True it may, but still only has a .1 tenth of a time on the Tiburon in the 1/4

Has no launch. I can rip any Eclipse, Acura RSX-S, Celica offline with the torque the tiburon has. You ever sat in a 03 tiburon at a red light and got on it? I have, I own one. It will lay you back in the seat.

Tiburon is a true sports car and a TRUE IMPORT sports car. It's getting really old that all the hataz come in here to bash the Tiburon cause it carries the name Hyundai.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 12:48 PM

First off I do know what I am talking about I have been studying this stuff for years, and I will debate anyone who doubts me. Secondly I see that I am having trouble convaying what I am saying to you so since nobody can anwser my Evo challange let me propose another. The 2002 Camaro Z28 has a base price of 22k. Find me a tib that can beat it in three of five events (1/4mile, 600ft slolom, 0-60, 60-0, and lataral G force) in street form (tires, interior and emmisions) for the same price. Without using more than a 50 shot of NOS. (We all not trying to see how mech NOS you can run without your motor poping) Come on if your car is as amazing as you say you could at leased beat an American car. Remember that I don't want hp quotes I want actual proformance numbers from a good source. I dare you to find one. If you choose not to accept this challange don't bother writing back, because I don't want to hear any more of your excuses, or ideas to make the tib faster than the Z28, I only want facts. If there is anything unfair about this challange tell me about it and I will revise it to make it totaly fair to you.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 12:59 PM

First off it's warranty not warenty and all that can be added to the tiburon.. there is a supercharger, there is a LSD and wider tires is on you. You can always buy the 19000 dollar tib put 3 g's in it and have that 22k car that will run with the SRT-4.

The Celica weighing less comment. True it may, but still only has a .1 tenth of a time on the Tiburon in the 1/4 .

You are not going to add a real supercharger wider tires/wheels and an LSD for 3k period. Unless you get them out of a scrap yard! And the Celica weighs about 500lbs less you cannot tell me that they could not shave 200lbs off the tib. Those cars are in the same class.

portscan69

12-11-2003, 01:00 PM

dude i didnt say the 3 items would be 3k exactly...

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 01:05 PM

dude i didnt say the 3 items would be 3k exactly...

Yea they would be more like 5-6k have you seen how much it costs for some 17x10 proformance wheels? The supercharger alone is about $2000. And any decent LSD will cost you at leased $600. Then you are looking at 600-800 for the tires. And you still would not match an Evo!

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 01:22 PM

i wont diss your car, because i am not like you. i can see potential in any car. i posted that time because you didnt post a 1/4 time untill after three pages, so i went with the first time i found. i have read about some pretty cool sleeper corollas. just fucking open your narrow mind, and believe that cars other than "real tuner" cars are very capable of impressive things. a 13.4 gets very close, with 8000 dollars left to spend. and the 600hp tib was not a nos engine that blew up. it is actually a daily driven turbocharged car. i believe your thinking about the STOCK saturn engine. it did blow, but lasted 100(that is ONE FUCKING HUNDRED) nitrous runs at 12.6 in the quarter mile.

ohhh, and look what i found. right click, save as...

http://www.tiburonturbo.com/pics/2003-30-sept-dyno/video/dyno-289whp-tiburon.wmv

Unfortunetly your video does not work on this computer. But I do believe that someone could get 289whp out of a tib, and I did not say that it had no tuning potential, I said that they were not up to par with their compatition, you would have to spend more on a tib to make it 1/4 mile in 13.06 and slolom at 71mph than you would pay for an Evo. Don't get me wrong I cheer for people who take oddball cars and turn them into sleepers, but I know that what is going to happen. A bunch of posers are going to take this car and turn it into a rolling side show. All cosmetic no proformance, and give import fans a bad name. Just like they did with the Civics. I love civics to death but posers make me mad. I may drive an old rusted import but at leased I don't try to make it look like a racecar. I know that some people are going to make fast tibs but they will be the vast minority.

tibby01

12-11-2003, 03:33 PM

listen dude.. just read this. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0207_shark/index.html

and i agree, it is a very heavy car. but it is because its suspension is so good.

Yea they would be more like 5-6k have you seen how much it costs for some 17x10 proformance wheels? The supercharger alone is about $2000. And any decent LSD will cost you at leased $600. Then you are looking at 600-800 for the tires. And you still would not match an Evo!

but you would still have 3 or 4 grand to put into the tibby.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:00 PM

listen dude.. just read this. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0207_shark/index.html
and i agree, it is a very heavy car. but it is because its suspension is so good.
but you would still have 3 or 4 grand to put into the tibby.

I saw your racing tib and I must admit that it was impressive, but it still was slower than the Evo 0-60 5.7 vs 4.6. slolom 71.4 vs 71.6. And that is a striped down full fledged racing car! Now admit it that racing car cost more than the Evo and it was still slower. I am not saying that the tib is a bad car but I still say that the Evo is faster in EVERY respect, even for the money. You could make a 10 second tib but you would have to spend twice the money and strip out twice the weight as the Evo. Anyway since yall don't get the Evo example I have to use my Z28 example, I am still waiting for the tib that can beat it for less money. Nothing is more embarasing than having a domestic lump of steel beat you. If you cannot take that car you will NEVER smoke an Evo or an STi.

portscan69

12-11-2003, 04:04 PM

Your an idiot jared

tibby01

12-11-2003, 04:15 PM

i dont know where you got your 1/4 mile time for the evo from. it wasnt motor trend.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0310_tun/index1.html

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:17 PM

If I am the idiot than why can't you anwser my challenge. Remember that you are the one in the spotlight, not me. Prove to me that you are smarter. Just try. You are defending a loosing cause jump ship while you can.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:20 PM

Try reading their newest issues we get it at work. They have revised their stats.

portscan69

12-11-2003, 04:20 PM

Heres what modernracer.com has for the evolution

Base price : $28,987

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 1,997 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 26 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 271 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque : 273 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 156 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.8 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.1 sec @ 105.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.95 g

Curb Weight : 3263 lbs
Overall length : 178.5 in.
Wheelbase : 103.3 in.
Overall Width : 69.7 in.
Height : 57.1 in.

tibby01

12-11-2003, 04:22 PM

portscan69

12-11-2003, 04:23 PM

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:24 PM

Even if you go by that the Evo is a MUCH better car. Anyway don't change the freeking subjuct are you going to accept my challenge or run like a dog?

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:25 PM

tibby proved that already.

How so you have yet to even anwser me. Try again.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:27 PM

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:29 PM

you act as if when somebody mods a car, they actually go out and perform slalom tests and 60-0 mph braking tests. and you still havent answered my question. where did you get that 13.06 evo time? it wasnt motortrend.com

I have seen plenty of tuner tests in HCI and SSC, try reading somtime. But you won't find what you are looking for because it does not exist. I have yet to hear of a tib with under 4k in mods beat 13.5 in the 1/4 mile. Or in any of the other tests for that matter. But keep trying I am enjoying this.

nisco

12-11-2003, 04:35 PM

man jus go away! :banghead:
youre jus causing shit
and makin yourslef look like an absolute dick and an idiot

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:41 PM

Where did you go?? I was just starting to have fun. Anyway Tibby you seem like a smart kid but find another car to defend, because so far tis one is a lost cause.

Jared_80

12-11-2003, 04:44 PM

man jus go away! :banghead:
youre jus causing shit
and makin yourslef look like an absolute dick and an idiot

I did not start this argument, they did. Anyone who calls me out will be pubicly thrashed. So don't join in. Oh and I don't plan on going anywhere untill I am content with the thrashing. If there is one thing that I am not it is an idiot, but you can call me a dick all you want to, if that is what you call sombody that does not put up with people messing with him.

tibby01

12-11-2003, 05:16 PM

the point is, unless one gropup of peeople get together and test these three cars, we will never know. human error is to great a factor. im finding 14.2 times at caranddriver, and i know the evo is capable of more.

another point,the camaro is a great, fast car, but has reliabilty problems. in your so called test, it would crush the evo. its stock braking is better, and the speed times are even. with the 7k gap between them, it wouldnt be a contest. so lets just keep that outta the contest.

http://edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/47901/page020.html

http://edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=1Y0EGuYR4l5WLAjQ8aeQP XFzgTlBE1i14E0xfwlDmruDP7byI1Ko!897078834?styleid= 100074983&styleid=100265337&refid=&maxvehicles=5&op=3&tab=specs

until someone tunes a tiburon and also has access to a camaro and evo, this argument is pointless. ive showed you that in theory the tiburon could beat the evo in straight speed with less money than the total cost of an evo. you choose not to accept theory though, and want facts. well here is a fact. i have not provided proof that a tiburon is better than an evo with equal amounts of money. but nor have you proven to me that the evo is better than the tiburon given equal amounts of money. its just stupid and pointless. another problem is a lot of people who buy a tiburon and tune it, pay other people to do it, so the amount of money involved is negligable.

i dont care what you think, cause it seems that i cannot change your mind no matter what i show you. i have showed you two highly tuned tiburons here in the states. one with a 13.4 and the other a 13.1. i have showed you 600hp tiburons in korea, and an accent that wooped up on a modded evo; things you didnt think could be accomplished. i have showed you a 289whp(more than 300 at the crank) new tiburon that only runs weaker times because he was new at draging. if i have showed you all these things that you didnt think were possible, why cant it be possible that a tib can be better than an evo dollar for dollar?

whatever, im a poor college kid who drives his tiburon because it is cheap and performs/looks good enough for me. the people who buy evos are usually wealthy. most people who buy tiburons do so because they are cheap. only a very select few actually buy one and mod the hell out of it with 9k(the gap between the tiburon and evo). so this argument is pointless, im out.

nisco

12-11-2003, 08:19 PM

http://www.newtiburon.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=32766

theres a turbo'd i-4... :smokin:

and bro i dunno who you think you are.... but what the fuck are oyu talkin about with public trashing.....
youre a tool! :screwy:
this thread is full of a lota useful info... and the rest is your bitchin and moaning about a car you know nothing about...
go save up for an evo/wrx/ or srt4 and go have fun... go get a life while youre out too
it might help with your business... :loser:
i dont know what youre trying to prove.. and remember you get what you pay for....
the cars you mentioned.... were all more expensive than the tib....
and if you say its crap.... youre an idiot.. and youll get nowhere in life with such a sheltered attitude....
so go drive your corolla off a cliff

is there anything else you wanna see?

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 04:57 PM

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 05:01 PM

Nisco will you take my challange or run like the last guy? Time to put up or shut up. I think that tibby was pretty smart and even he could not anwser my challange, do you think that you stand a chance? :evillol: Yes I guss that I am a tool like you said, I must be a screwdriver, because I am screwing with your head and driving you nuts. :rofl: :rofl:

Bring it! :sunglasse

tibby01

12-15-2003, 05:40 PM

how about you try to take your own challange. the camaro already beats the evo in braking and is very very close in quarter mile times and 0-60 times. and think about this, sticking a turbo on a v-8 will yeild much much more horsepower than a turbo on a 4cylinder. there is much more air flowing out of an 8 than a 4, so the same sized turbo will stop being a restriction and start producing boost mych earlier. more boost means more power. http://www.prewittracing.com/chevrolet.htm

and your evo is toast for a total cost of 26k.

so do you win the test by default, since no one has dumped 9k in performance mods on a tiburon. even if they did, they wouldnt document every single cost.

and ill ask la pulga how much he has spent total on his accent that ripped the evo a new one.

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 05:51 PM

Hello you still have not anwserd my challange. And as far as your challange goes the Camaro does not respond to turbo boost well in stock form, it would require a full buildup to withstand over 7psi of boost. That is why it is not very popular. Game over you loose, care to try again. Oh yes and the Camaro does NOT beat the Evo in breaking, 0-60, or the 1/4 mile. Quit making that stupid assumption. I have already shown that to be false. I think that it was June 03 MT.

tibby01

12-15-2003, 06:03 PM

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 06:14 PM

you wouldnt need 7psi to beat the evo. maybe 4 and you already got him. the engine makes 310 hp at 14.1(atmospheric pressure) or 1BAR. at 100% efficiency, the engine creates 22hp per psi. granted 100% doesnt exist, but it is usually pretty high. you bump up the pressure the engine is seeing to around 18, and you have your engine producing almost 400hp.

Uh where do you go to school? Please slap your teachers for me. 1 atm is 14.7 psi at sea leval, secondly 100% volumetric effecency does exist in fact it is very common, some cars get up to 125% VE. It is a very long and technical explanation as to how they do that so I am not going to explain that right now but I recomend that you look that up before you argue with me. Third you are not even counting thermal effecency of your supercharger, or increased air intake temps. (genral rule 10 degrees added temp=minus 1% hp) Please do yourself a favor and actualy learn this stuff before you come here with it. And you still have not anwserd my challange. Try again.

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 06:20 PM

Your edmunds link does not work here how fast did their z-28 stop the Evo did a 60-0 in 106ft. I have never herd of a Camaro doing any better than that.

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 06:47 PM

Any other scientists want to challange me? Let me warn you right now I know what I am talking about. I have studied this stuff for years, and I have the practicle aplacation advantage of being a mechanic.

tibby01

12-15-2003, 06:56 PM

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 07:12 PM

oh god, you really need to look a lot closer at things i post.

i have never heard of a non-boosted engine making more than 100%VE, so please explain it to me(seriously, i want to know how). i know for a fact none of those methods are applied to z28 camaros.

and check my edmund's posts on the previous page for the braking comparisons. i dont care what any other of your tests say. those two tests were done by the same group of people, so those results are the most reliable.

lastly, if you look at that turbo kit page closely, it is a twin air to liquid intercooler setup, which most of the time creates an intercooler efficiency over 100%. so no(or maybe a very little bit) loss in hp due to warmer air.

and fine your right, i cant meet your challange, because no one i know or have heard about has dumped that much money into performance mods for a tib. so you win i guess.

OK here it goes, attaining over 100% VE in an internal combustion engine is done by what some of us call pulse harmonization, basicly the pulse created by the air being suddenly stopped by the closing of the intake valve "bounces" out of the intake runners creating a negative pressure, causing air to rush back in to take it's place causing a "pulse" of higher pressure. This is the same way that a pulse jet engine works. The downside of this is that since it works in relation to the length of the intake runner it only works at it's maxamum effectivness at a very narrow RPM range (this causes your torque to "peak") This is the reason why longer intake runners create higher low end torque and short runners make higher peak hp. This same idea can be applied to an exaust by removing more of the spent gases (hence some exaust runners don't work well at low RPM) If you would like an experement that you could do at home I can explain one to you if you like. And yes I a sure that the Camaro does excede 100% VE at some point in it's RPM band most sports cars do. As far as your 100%+ innercooler goes it only does that while everything is still cool, once things heat up it is not getting a full 100%. Don't feel bad about not being able to find an "Evo killer" tib I could not find one either. I have seen guys spend alot on a tib but they mostly did cosmetic work for car shows. If you have any other questions please ask.

tibby01

12-15-2003, 08:39 PM

thanks for that explanation, but the camaro could still beat the evo with less than 7psi.

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 08:45 PM

No doubt that you are right about that. It would only take about 2psi to beat it in the 1/4 mile but there is a whole lot more to proformance than just the 1/4. Oh by the way Nissan is supposedly making a variable length intake manifold to keep maxamum VE through the entire RPM band that would mean having a constant 100%+VE if it works. (which it should)

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 08:52 PM

Oh but remember that turbocharging a V8 is very tricky. There are a ton of little problems that you would never think of (which I don't have time to list because the computer lab closes in 10 min). It amounts to an expensive proposal, which is why superchargers are more popular on V8s. And superchargers (especaly roots style) have a very low thermal effecency (often less than 50%!!!) And their configural superchargers do not make consistant boost, which means that they have the downside of turbochargers without the free energy. So it is all a tradeoff.

tibby01

12-15-2003, 08:59 PM

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 09:09 AM

yeah, so better 60-0(according to edmunds)
better 1/4 time(with turbo)
better 0-60 time(buy slicks with the extra 2-3k)

thats 3 out of 5 ad the domestic camaro wins

on a side note, that variable intake runner thingy will prolly cost a lot of money to create. but what if they paired that with nissan's version of vtec(im sure they have one, hyundai has there own). that would be a kickass efficient engine.

I do not compare proformance with edmunds because they don't have good test drivers. Try using MT or HCI or some magazine that really drives their cars. Try finging a Camaro test in which they exceded a 13.06 in the 1/4, or a 4.6 0-60. Besides adding slicks does not keep the Camaro street legal which is part of the challenge that I proposed to you. And that turbo instolation will cost more than the difference between the two cars anyway, please look again at your site and note that instalation is not included in that price nor is the turbo heads that you are supposed to install. You loose try again.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 10:41 AM

OH MY GOD!!! Seriously Jared, your problem is that you're so caught up in your powertrip to be fucking right all the time that you're missing what it means just to ENJOY the car you drive. If you don't like the way the Hyundai makes the car....here's an IDEA just don't DRIVE one. You keep telling people how "they lose", but the only real loser here is you by not just chilling and letting people just enjoy themselves.

Peace out, I'm going to go ENJOY my ride.

ColeIketani

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 11:05 AM

As I have already stated several times I did not start this fight, but I will take down anyone who calles me out. Oh yes you are right about me having to be right all the time, because I have studied everything that there I can find about cars and proformance for years, so being right just comes naturaly. I was just saying that this car needed better proformance and everybody wants to call me an idiot, would you sit there and take that or would you stand up for yourself like I did? Think about that. :smokin:

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 11:46 AM

I as the modest person would have been like, that's your own personal option and leave it at that. Otherwise we can meet on the street and decide that. (but of course you drive a Corolla or whatever so you wouldn't be doing that)Independent Investigation of the Truth.

Modestly seems to be a point that your lacking, by braging and boosting about your technical knowledge. "so being right just comes naturaly." that is the most arrogant bullshit I've ever heard. By saying that you've made it all the more harder for ANYONE to take your points seriously

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 11:56 AM

nisco

12-16-2003, 11:56 AM

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:05 PM

... why is he posting in a hyudai thread... if he doesnt plan on gettin a hyundai.. or a tib for that matter....
we want more?... whos we?... you, you, and you?
there are avid tuners happy with their tibs and know how to get them to where they want them
this is the shittiest board to find out anything good on... you want quality... go to www.newtiburon.com
www.hyundaiperformance.com
www.hyundaiaftermarket.com
youre pickin a figth that really.. cant be won on either side... we are defending our cars and time and time again have proved you wrong...
youre using the offensive of every other car out there....
you shoulda taken all this time you have on posting here with helping your "business"

Uh, buisness??????? :sly: what buisness? Oh and this fight can be won let me assure you of that. I think that I have done a pretty good job so far. I just started by saying that the tib nedded better proformance and all the sudden everybody jumps on me (you guys are really insecure about your car) Nowhere else did people attack me like you did when I critisized your car, so now I will anwser your insults by showing you who really knows what they are talking about, and who does not. In my oppinion the smatrest person on your side has already given up (and rightfuly so) so who is next to try to back up their insults?

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 12:05 PM

"we want more?... whos we?... you, you, and you?"

lol, that's good

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 12:08 PM

well see it just seems like your boasting and struting around to secure your maculinity LOL. Because I think that a smart person would know when to call it a draw (since like Nisco said"you don't have a Tib and it doesn't seem like your planning to buy one")

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:10 PM

It will be a draw when I get an apology. Then I can leave on even terms having said me peace. But just because I stoped saying otherwise does not make the tib a proformance car. And If you insist that I re-phrase it "I want more" there happy? I would buy a tib if they could match the evo for less money too but as of right now they cannot.

nisco

12-16-2003, 12:16 PM

what appology? :eek7:
for you being a douche bag online and trying to act all tough and "know your shit"... that you looked up from websites on line?
youre a joke man :screwy:
so stay i dun care youll jus look like more of an ass then ever before :rofl:

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:20 PM

See Cole this is exactly what I am talking about. OK Nisco I guss that you are next in line, will you accept my challange? Or will you run like a dog with it's tale between it's legs? Put up or shut up! :smokin:

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 12:25 PM

and you're asking for an apology after that?

Jared, this may be a new concept for you, but people say shit. Sometimes it's shit we don't like. In your case I guess it's this whole thread here. You should just learn that people don't have to aplogize and you should be able understand that some people maybe don't want/care/give a damn on what you have to say on the matter. (Another key hint, asking for an aplogy and then calling someone else a dog is not a way to get one) lol

nisco

12-16-2003, 12:30 PM

put up or shut up?
geezus chryst
man youre challenge
heres a challenege for you... hwo bout you shut up?
hmmmmmm sound hard doesnt it
man what are you trying to prove?.. you wanna be arogant ass mutha fooka?!
why dontyou go back to talin about how an evo will beat a tib?.... or turbo charging a v8
man alota the shit you talk abotu has nothing to do with tiburons... look where your posting..... a hyundai board... in a tiburon thread.... you fucking idiot...
go post your crap in the ima tool section and i like to spit out stupid pointless knowledge
go take your car skills to another thread that people might use

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:35 PM

Don't you think that I know that he would never apologize? I am just messing with his head. The mader he gets the funnier it is. I know it sounds like I am sick but this is what I enjoy. I know for a fact that there is no rational way he can defend this car even if he did know alot about it, but I continue to egg him on anyway.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:38 PM

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:42 PM

Nevermind you probably don't know what grades are, so just anwser me this do you ride the short bus, or do they make you walk?

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 12:45 PM

See Jared?
You're just instilling more insults later. It's an endless cycle lol

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:49 PM

See Jared?
You're just instilling more insults later. It's an endless cycle lol

No I do more than just insult (remember that I did not start this cycle) I make factual statements and back them up with numbers, and creditable sources, unlike someone else who keeps writing.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 12:50 PM

See Jared?
You're just instilling more insults later. It's an endless cycle lol

But I think that Nisco brings up a good point. Look where you are posting this topic, a Tiburon forum. Of course the drivers are going to defend thier cars. You call them weak, they get upset. Then you talk about your technical knowledge and start comparing untuned Tibs to cars outside of the Tiburons MSRP range. You may have alot of tech knowledge, but this board may not be the place to show it off. A technical board something along those lines might suit you better.

Personally I stopped caring when people started comparing 20g cars to cars that can go 90g plus...it just wasn't about Tibs anymore. It was just a Jared Pride Session

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 12:56 PM

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:01 PM

talk about taking words out of context. I said "people" not "you". Other PEOPLE were doing it too. This isn't like "we" want more meaning "I" want more

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:04 PM

and about you not starting this cycle. You can be the one to end it by just bring up your options (which could be valid) on another more approriate forum.

It's like the fireman looking over at the fire and saying. "I didn't start the fire so I'm not going to put it out"

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:06 PM

Well other peolpe can judge how they like but I keep things in prespective very well, I am sorry for jumping on you like that but I have had nearly this entire site jump on me accusing me of comparing the NSX to the tib. Which makes no freeking sence whatsoever.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:15 PM

I think that the best way to end the argument is for me to just keep stumping poor nisco and his kind, untill they don't come back anymore. Then I don't need an apology, because they are gone. I would actualy enjoy having somone who can really defend this car because then I could learn somthing myself. That is the only reason I continue to argue.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:17 PM

well I'm glad we can agree on that point lol. I got confused a bit when that happen. And no problem about the jumping part. As a Tib owner, I have great pride in my car, but I have nothing against you. I just wanted to understand the point what was going on without us just yelling"you're stupid" back and forth lol

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:18 PM

Alright then I guess I'll try and defend my car

But first I need to hear your arguement straight out

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:20 PM

Please note that I have never said that the tib was a bad car, or a piece of junk. My one and only critisizm is that it is not the "proformance" car (by my standards) that the company paints it to be. I actualy kind of like the car all proformance issues aside.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:26 PM

Ok my challenge is simple and streight forward. Is the Tib a better proformance car for the cost than the Camaro z28 (the American standard cheap fast car) which costs 22k and postes some very impressive numbers. The chalenge is to find a tib with less than 22k in it that can beat a Z28 in three of five events (0-60, 60-0, slolom, 1/4 mile, and skidpad) All cars must be street legal, and have most of their interior. Basicly it must be a daily driver like the Camaro. Please no NOS over 50hp because beyond that they just destroy small engines.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:27 PM

well I think that the overall preformance of the car is fine. The nice thing I like about the car is although it is a front wheel drive car, the weight is nicely balanced. Especailly for mountain touge driving. The car weight balance is 63/37, which makes the car a great handler on curves and on the downhill. It's the car's inertia that gives it greater speed on passes like that. Partly I do wish that the HP numbers on the Tib could have been a little higher, at least 150 for the base and 190 for the V6, but what I thought as a handicap when I first had the car, I used to find the car's strength. I'm not one for Car and Driver numbers to tell me if the car is good or not. I really like to drive the car in different conditions and see how it fits me, how it feels and responds to me because after a while you find out how to make people you pass say. "Damn, I just got smoked by a Hyundai" lol

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:29 PM

now for your question are we talking about the stock models or the tuned models?

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:31 PM

Most import car makers are making their v6s with around 240 hp so I see a 170hp v6 as unused potential.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 01:34 PM

Tuned tib vs. stock z28. Anything can be done to the tib as long as it does not bring the total cost above 22k (the price of the Camaro)

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 01:53 PM

hmm, well personally I'm not sure if I have the information to help you with the information at the time. I will do some searching, but untill that time, someone else could field this question.

But one thing I do know is that the V6s potential tops out about 250hp.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 02:07 PM

Yea I have seen those supercharger kits too. But remember that we are talking about a 310hp Camaro. I know that there is a 400lbs weight difference but the Camaro is RWD (which is better for racing) and has wider tires. They say that those SC kits cost about 2500 which is not bad but you would still be at a disadvantage with hp and traction with only 1500 left to spend. New wider tires and wheels would take up the rest of your money quickly.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 02:18 PM

well, I have this belief on racing FWD cars.
Although they are easier to create understeer, they are easier to kill the understeer too than the RWD cars, which can produce oversteer a lot faster. Plus I think you have to push FWD cars differently than RWD because of the weight distrubustion (spelling) 50/50 vs 60/40, 70/30 etc etc. But everyone knows that anyway lol

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 02:19 PM

ok, well I have some work to do, but I SHALL RETURN lol

ghetto7o2azn

12-16-2003, 06:01 PM

the v6 tiburon only puts out 170? sorry but i do have to agree with jared... lol and all this time i thought it put out 200 at least... :icon16: sorry but i dont see how your going to get it faster than the camero... and for the "inertia" thing.. also realize that inertia is the amount of force it takes to stop and push the object... so the more inertia it has, the slower it will get off the line and also the worse it will do at the 60-0

tibby01

12-16-2003, 06:34 PM

First off let me say that I love the look of the Tiburon, but the proformance sucks. What are you guys at Hyundai thinking? Why is your 6 cylinder so slow? What happend to that mid engine concept that everybody loved? The messure for any proformance import is if it can beat a Mustang GT or the Z28 Camaro in the 1/4 mile and through the cones, if it cannot do that leave it home. It just becomes a plaything for posers that make a joke of real import tuners. Does anybody agree with me??

i dont know about you, but those are fighten' words wheres i comes from.

and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!

Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.

cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.

ColeIketani

12-16-2003, 07:17 PM

I'm not talking about from a complete stop or drag racing "Ghetto". I'm talking about taking the car on mountain roads(since we have some near my area) were the distubution of the weight carries it down the hill much faster, plus the added power from the engine

1QUICK2

12-17-2003, 10:52 AM

portscan69

12-17-2003, 11:34 AM

Ok...just been skimming this thread. Why are you guys throwin your warranty around? WTF is that? I just got back from the dealer and he told me a K&N would VOID my warr. You cant throw on a turbo and blow the car up, then just take it off and Warr. it. I was a service advisor...we looked for anything to void warranties. Also....why are you comparing this car to V8 musscle cars and AWD turbo cars. For gods sake....the V6 supercharged only puts down 225hp according to hyundiaperformance.com. Just my 2 cents.

Ryan
93 MR2 Turbo
350+ hp

By government regulation no car warranty can be voided by adding anything to it. Unless the added or changed part directly contributes to a problem. *Example* I add a LSD to my Tiburon and my transmission drops. This can be directly linked and void my warranty. If I add a LSD to my Tiburon and a head gasket blows the warranty cannot be voided.

My 2 cents :)

tibby01

12-17-2003, 12:09 PM

The Magnuson-Moss Act

Protecting tweakers, tuners and other users of aftermarket equipment. FANNING FEARS. You want to upgreat your vehicle with aftermarket equipment nut your worried about putting your vehicles warranty at risk.its no wonder. How many times you’ve heard someone of a dealership say that installing aftermarket parts automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.

FACT: Dealers don’t like warranty work , because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate work which is rightfully done under warranty.

THE TRUTH

Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty- Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act aftermarket equipment which improves performance doesn’t void a vehicles manufacturers warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statues , as well . which provide further protection for vehicle owners.

VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATION

Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true case of the problem the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment- a covenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.

FACT: A dealer most prove –not just say- the aftermarket equipment caused the need for the repair before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.

YOUR RIGHTS

Point out to the dealer the provision of the the Magnuson-Moss Act require that he explains to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he cant or his explanation sounds questionable it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.

there are always dealers that will try to get around this to save money, but if there are ever any problems, write to the regional manager and they will be taken care of.

portscan69

12-17-2003, 12:47 PM

Here is your 2002 Z28 Stats Jared.. Why is it so hard to find???? I found it easily.. It's a quick car but still slow to be a V-8

Year
Manufacturer
Model
Trim
Body Type
Base MSRP2002
Chevrolet
Camaro
Z28
Convertible
-DimensionsCurb Weight
Weight Distribution(%Front-Rear)
Length
Height
Width
Front Headroom
Front Legroom
Wheelbase
Wheel Rim Size3,574 lbs.
55-45
193.5"
51.8"
74.1"
38.7"
43"
101.1"
16"EngineType
Drivetrain
Valvetrain
Cylinders
Cylinder Configuration
Displacement
Horsepower(HP)
Torque(FT-LBs.)
Redline5.7 Liter LS1 Gas
Front Engine / RWD
16-Valve OHV
8
Vee
5,665 cc
310 @ 5200 RPM
340 @ 4000 RPM
6200 RPMTransmissionGear Type
1st Gear Ratio
2nd Gear
3rd
4th
5th
6th
Final Drive
Reverse
Clutch Type6-Speed Manual with OverDrive
2.66:1
1.78:1
1.30:1
1:1
0.74:1
0.5:1
3.42:1
2.9:1
Torque ConverterPerformance0-60 mph
0-100 mph
1/4 Mile
Top Speed
Gas Mileage5.3 s
-
14.0 s
155 mph
19 MPG City / 28 MPG Highway

Jared_80

12-17-2003, 01:36 PM

i dont know about you, but those are fighten' words wheres i comes from.

and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!

Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.

cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.

I sure did learn quie a bit from arguing with yall. And yea some of those tibs were fast especaly that accent, what the heck did they do to that thing??. As far as those "fighting words" I had just looked up the stats for the tib in high hopes that it would top the Zs lousy proformance, and I was in shock at at the time. I figured that with a V6 and all it would rock, at leased top the Eclipse. Oh well maby by next year they will figure it out and give us a few more ponies.

portscan69

12-18-2003, 06:11 AM

I sure did learn quie a bit from arguing with yall. And yea some of those tibs were fast especaly that accent, what the heck did they do to that thing??. As far as those "fighting words" I had just looked up the stats for the tib in high hopes that it would top the Zs lousy proformance, and I was in shock at at the time. I figured that with a V6 and all it would rock, at leased top the Eclipse. Oh well maby by next year they will figure it out and give us a few more ponies.

It did top the Eclipse.

Jared_80

12-18-2003, 11:23 AM

It comes very close to the GT but does not touch the GS-t or the GSX.

portscan69

12-18-2003, 02:00 PM

It comes very close to the GT but does not touch the GS-t or the GSX.

GT Eclipse and the Tib are equal.. both 15.6 in a quarter and 7.2 0-60. Tiburon is better at the 60-0 with 122 feet and the Eclipse at 135. But heres both stats.

2003 Tiburon GT

Base price : $17,999 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914

Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,656 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 18-20 mpg
highway - 26 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson struts
R - Multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 170hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 181 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm

Top speed : 137 mph
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.(manual)
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 88.8 mph
60-0 braking distance : 122 ft

Curb Weight : 3023 lbs
Overall length : 173.0 in.
Wheelbase : 99.6 in.
Overall Width : 69.3 in.
Height : 52.3 in.

2003 Eclipse GT

Base price : $20,947 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914

Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 20-22 mpg
highway - 27-30 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent Macpherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 200 hp @ 5500 rpm(coupe), 210 hp @ 5750 rpm(Spyder)
Torque : 205 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm(coupe), 205 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm(Spyder)
Redline : 6200 rpm

Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 89.9 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft.

Curb Weight : 3120-3241 lbs
Overall length : 176.8 in.
Wheelbase : 100.8 in.
Overall Width : 68.9 in.
Height : 51.6 in.(coupe), 52.8 in.(Spyder)

30 More HP in the Eclipse GT 24 more lb of foot torque in the Eclipse GT and they run equal. Looks like the Tib done pretty good. Wheel base and overall width of the Tiburon is bigger. 3000 dollars more base price on the Eclipse and runs equal with the Tiburon. 3000 more and has a lower top speed than the Tiburon. Why for 3000 more Leather is not standard in the Eclipse GT. 3000 less leather is standard in the GT Tiburon.

I think id go with the Tiburon!!