Eclipse Decisions, Comments?

Hey guys. I've decided to get an eclipse (whoooo!). But it isnt that easy :( I've been trying to find a nice used GSX or GST but could only find one GST in the area:( Its a 97 GST manual with 64k miles for 8,000. Not sure if i can come up with the money but Im gonna try if it comes down to that. Anyway...would I be better off searching far and wide for a nice used GSX or GST and putting a new turbo in it and mods; or finding a nice RS or GS manual and putting a turbo in that? How hard is it to turbo a GS or RS? Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated being that i need to do this soon. Thanks guys.

~Chad

Hey guys. I've decided to get an eclipse (whoooo!). But it isnt that easy :( I've been trying to find a nice used GSX or GST but could only find one GST in the area:( Its a 97 GST manual with 64k miles for 8,000. Not sure if i can come up with the money but Im gonna try if it comes down to that. Anyway...would I be better off searching far and wide for a nice used GSX or GST and putting a new turbo in it and mods; or finding a nice RS or GS manual and putting a turbo in that? How hard is it to turbo a GS or RS? Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated being that i need to do this soon. Thanks guys.

~Chad


If your tight on cash a 2g might not be the way to go. Dont get me wrong they can be fast but your gunna have a high ins rate if your doing it yourself. If your in it for looks get a 2g rs or gs. If you want in between id say a 94 talon. If your all speed and dont car about looks get a 1g gsx. Thats my opinion on having owning a 97 spyder gst sence 2000. And between my car payment/insurance/maint/mods.. a 2g is quite expensive.

My advice to you if you are going to get a 2g, then get a gsx(hard to find) or a gst, because it has a btter engine, the 4g63. The gs and rs has a 420a, and if you do have to get it then check out my thread that's starting.

a stage 2 turbo kit will run you about 2800 and will boost you higher than the stock turbo models. however you cant get that awd part from a rs/gs so if you really want the turbo/awd combo, you would be better off with the gsx. as long as the 420a is built with proper internals, it will be fine once it is turbo'd

Don't mistake the fact that it costs more to turbo a RS than to pay the extra for the GST. Also don't forget that it costs more to upgrade a turbo on RS than a GST. 8 grand for a 97 GST is good.

Don't mistake the fact that it costs more to turbo a RS than to pay the extra for the GST. Also don't forget that it costs more to upgrade a turbo on RS than a GST. 8 grand for a 97 GST is good.

$4500 for an RST is pretty good considering i pay under half what a GST would cost for insurance and i will bet that i can wax your GST anyday, unless your running a low 12 in the 1/4 mile, which i highly doubt that!!!

i dynoed my car this weekend at 357 WHP, 342 ft/lbs of tq... and the dyno that they have does 1/4 mile runs and i ran 12.94 at 107mph, my best 60 was 2.1, and the guy said that because of the pressure they put on your tires its usually slower than you will actually run at the track... so he figured i would probably run in the low to mid 12 range... which isnt bad for a 420a :biggrin:

so in thought if you could find a RS or GS for between 4-5 grand it would most likly be cheaper to do it that way!!! :iceslolan

The only way you're going to run a low to mid 12 is with an AWD style launch ;o) On the dyno this isnt taken into consideration. I wouldnt use any info from that dyno other than your HP and TQ. There is also no way you could run 0-60 in 2.1 seconds. An AWD with 500 whp cant even do that. If you meant 60', there is no way a dyno can tell you what that will be. So I'm a bit confused, perhaps I'm missreading something. Also consider that I used to run 12.8 at 106, and that was with 1.7 sixty foot. Even with slicks it will be damn near impossible to do that FWD. It will be more like a 13.7 at 107.

The turbo DSM motors will run up to ~30 well tuned psi or 500 whp on stock blocks. You wont get near that on a stock 420a. I've seen them blow up at 12 psi. You lost me on that one goalieman. Add a built motor to the cost of all the turbo parts, and its gets considerably more expensive than buying a turbo modle. Even my AWD would only go for 6-7000. You said you spent 4500 in parts to do the turbo? I'm still going to go with the turbo cars being the best financial move if you want a turbo car.

For me there is no difference between insurance for a turbo car or the NT. If you have a bad record though, it may be worth looking into the difference...

Just my humble opinion. :)

There is also no way you could run 0-60 in 2.1 seconds. An AWD with 500 whp cant even do that. If you meant 60', there is no way a dyno can tell you what that will be. So I'm a bit confused, perhaps I'm missreading something. Also consider that I used to run 12.8 at 106, and that was with 1.7 sixty foot. Even with slicks it will be damn near impossible to do that FWD. It will be more like a 13.7 at 107.

You said you spent 4500 in parts to do the turbo? I'm still going to go with the turbo cars being the best financial move if you want a turbo car.

For me there is no difference between insurance for a turbo car or the NT. If you have a bad record though, it may be worth looking into the difference...

Just my humble opinion. :)


ok sorry i meant 60', the dyno that this shop had could tell you 60' time, your 1/4 mile time, HP, and TQ, and it was a AWD dyno too... i dont know if it is brand new or what cause this shop just opened about a month ago... anyways on to the 1/4 mile time, my friend has a supercharged GTP that ran a 12.828 @ 106.45 - without slicks! and i can keep up with him just fine on a good day, so i think it is possible, plus my car weights a lot less than a GST or GSX... if you dont believe me here is the video... http://www.lylesvendsen.com/fiero/videos/gtpeebs2.mpg

yea i spent $4500 on everything... but i also did all the work myself except the obvious stuff that a shop would have to do, such as boring and honing, redoing the head, and so on...

and yea i have a bad speeding ticket on my record... 106 in a 55, sent me to jail and i lost my license for a year... now the insurance rapes me!!! but i want to drive and i am not stupid enough to drive without it.

ok sorry i meant 60', the dyno that this shop had could tell you 60' time, your 1/4 mile time, HP, and TQ, and it was a AWD dyno too... i dont know if it is brand new or what cause this shop just opened about a month ago... anyways on to the 1/4 mile time, my friend has a supercharged GTP that ran a 12.828 @ 106.45 - without slicks! and i can keep up with him just fine on a good day, so i think it is possible, plus my car weights a lot less than a GST or GSX... if you dont believe me here is the video... http://www.lylesvendsen.com/fiero/videos/gtpeebs2.mpg

yea i spent $4500 on everything... but i also did all the work myself except the obvious stuff that a shop would have to do, such as boring and honing, redoing the head, and so on...

and yea i have a bad speeding ticket on my record... 106 in a 55, sent me to jail and i lost my license for a year... now the insurance rapes me!!! but i want to drive and i am not stupid enough to drive without it.

I dont mean to doubt you at all. But first of all isnt a GTP grand prix already supercharged from factory? I thought thats what the P ment in the GTP. Anyhow do you have a vid or anything up in the dsmtuners or dsmtalk 1/4 mile times. Because with those times you defunatly should be up there. Thats an amazing time to be able to run 12's on a fwd eclipse. I just think a track is gunna tell you a way diffrent story than any dyno would. Then again if I can see some dyno sheets or a vid of a 1/4 mile. That would be cool also.

thanks a lot guys. Im actually gonna sae my money till spring and look for a GSX in the process, just because i've heard a about a lot of cars spinning tires for pointless amounts of time after they reach so many horsepower; and the gsx would eliminate that. If worse comes to worse, ill find a nice RS or GS and mod the hell out of it:) Thanks guys, if anyone sees a nice GSX for sale on the east coast, drop me a line!

I dont mean to doubt you at all. But first of all isnt a GTP grand prix already supercharged from factory? I thought thats what the P ment in the GTP. Anyhow do you have a vid or anything up in the dsmtuners or dsmtalk 1/4 mile times. Because with those times you defunatly should be up there. Thats an amazing time to be able to run 12's on a fwd eclipse. I just think a track is gunna tell you a way diffrent story than any dyno would. Then again if I can see some dyno sheets or a vid of a 1/4 mile. That would be cool also.

yeah GTP is already supercharged from the factory but it was for the slow people that didnt know that sorry, and no i do not have any 1/4 mile times cause when i got done breaking in my engine the season was already over and i was pissed, but oh well there will always be next year! and personally i dont thing high 12's on a FWD is that amazing, there are a couple here where i am from, and i know my friend has a SRT-4 and he will probably break into the 12's next year! i mean yeah its good but its not astonishing!!!