I have been watching the conversations on this board for some time now, it has made for some very interesting reading. Thank you all for showing so much enthusiasm and passion for the indisputably best road car of all time. I feel the same way. I am trully fortunate to have been afforded the opportunity to own and drive this car. I am not worthy.

Even though there are numerous cars coming out that appear to close the gap, rest assured that a thorough comparison would only confirm the F1's place at the top. Without driving/owning a car for an extended period of time, it is impossible for anyone to understand the true magnificence of the car. I wish everyone could experience what I have for the past 3 years, so they would understand. I no longer try to explain what I mean, I just smile and let the doubters believe what they want.

As part of my responsibility as owner, I feel I need to share this wonderful car with as many people as possible. I love giving rides, rewarding those with the gumption to ask. If I can conveniently do it, I'll take anyone and everyone. It's fun watching the reaction as people climb out of the car. Noone can prepare themselves properly for a quick run in an F1. On more than one occaission I've had to stop to let people out (grown men) who couldn't handle it.

For this same reason, I am making myself available to this forum so that you can get the perspective of an experienced owner. I would love to continue to share this incredible car with those who appreciate it, like me.

Frank Selldorff
(007, 068 and LM03)

Hey frank, Its mike my dad(marvin) and i came up and drove the car with you. Really cool to see you on the board. Just wanted to give you a hello.

Frank, welcome to the forums!
I thank you for offering your insight to us here at AF.

No way! A real F1 owner on the forums!

Please, please post pics and make some videos if you can!

Please!

I can understand owning 2 of them (ie) the standard car and a LM but why 3?

I wish everyone could experience what I have for the past 3 years, so they would understand. I no longer try to explain what I mean, I just smile and let the doubters believe what they want.I can't even imagine what it's like to ride in one, or drive one.

I was fortunate enough to drive next to one for all of 30 seconds during the summer, and it made my night: I said "holy ****" at least 30 times a minute for the rest of the way home. I didn't even care about the fact that I had almost gotten hit by other drivers on three separate occasions on my way home.

Hey buddy,
Good to see you on here! Thanks for sharing your cars/experiences.
Best,
Faisal.

Pringles - Photos of two of his cars are quite common - proof positive that his cars don't sit in an air conditioned garage all the time. :cool:

You can find many of them by simply searching this forum with Frank's last name.

Also, there are photos available of two of them on the Turner Motorsports website:

#007 -
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/project_mclaren.shtml

LM03 -
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/f1_lm_.htm
This link includes some .MOV video files which are quite impressive.

What would be nice to see are some good photos of those two cars together and also more photos of #068. I believe there is only one photo in circulation which can be identified as that particular F1. I realize to many, it's "just another silver F1", but I happen to find that particular shade to be quite striking.

>8^)
ER

I can understand owning 2 of them (ie) the standard car and a LM but why 3?

This article in the BMW magazine 'Roundel' explains the reasons why he owns the two F1 road cars.

http://64.70.201.88/Roundel/2002/11/Article_1.shtml

I'm sure you can imagine why he added the LM. :evillol:

Frank - is there any chance that #068 will be approved for Show & Display? Also, if you care to share the details, I'd be interested in hearing how you were able to certify the LM for road use? If those are things you don't want to talk about, I understand. :)

>8^)
ER

definitly the best sounding car ever

bastard!

sorry...slight bit of jealousy

Welcome aboard!
Thanks for sharing your experiences with us! Can you tell us some stories about driving an F1?

Thanks

Everyone, thanks for your welcome. I'l try to answer all the reasonable questions as timely as possible. Be as specific as you can, it'll make my job easier.

When you drive one, do you constantly feel like racing it & everyone or can you cruise in one?

When you drive one, do you constantly feel like racing it & everyone or can you cruise in one?

I love racing people, but it's not fair. Unless I see an exotic, I usually keep it tame (unless they show me some attitude). Plus, you really have to be careful keeping it under the speed limit. Without breaking the law (which i would never do) it's boring when a race ends at 55 mph.

Cruising is one of the other engineering achievements. The car is as easy to drive (even easier) as most road cars. The car is so powerful and well balanced you can go through all six gears without touching the accelerator. Try that in any other supercar or your M3.

Welcome to the board. Great to have an actual F1 owner around.

Simply incredible...

Simply incredible...
i'll 2nd that

:eek2: I can't even believe this! An actual F1 owner on AF! :eek: (You can tell this is causing quite a stir on the boards, look how much posts have come up in such a short time)

Im definitly predicting this thread to be the biggest on the whole site.

Mr. Selldorff, i have a question if you don't mind. Since you own an LM you may know a bit more about this. Are there any Black LMs? There have been huge discussions on this topic in the past and it would be nice to get it cleared up.

Thanks in advance

Mr. Selldorff, i have a question if you don't mind. Since you own an LM you may know a bit more about this. Are there any Black LMs? There have been huge discussions on this topic in the past and it would be nice to get it cleared up.

Thanks in advance

To my knowledge there are only 5 original LM's and all were painted McLaren Orange. There are other cars that have been upgraded to LM spec, however there are only 5 originals.

From the official McLaren website:

"As a tribute to the memory of Bruce McLaren, all the F1 LM's were painted in the same Papaya Orange that was used on his contemporary Formula One and Can Am cars."

Pringles - Photos of two of his cars are quite common - proof positive that his cars don't sit in an air conditioned garage all the time. :cool:

You can find many of them by simply searching this forum with Frank's last name.

Also, there are photos available of two of them on the Turner Motorsports website:

#007 -
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/project_mclaren.shtml

LM03 -
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/f1_lm_.htm
This link includes some .MOV video files which are quite impressive.

What would be nice to see are some good photos of those two cars together and also more photos of #068. I believe there is only one photo in circulation which can be identified as that particular F1. I realize to many, it's "just another silver F1", but I happen to find that particular shade to be quite striking.

>8^)
ER

i'll post some pictures when I can. Pictures of all three won't be available until next spring when I break them out for the season. For now, 068 and LM03 are under wraps for the winter.

thanks a lot for the quick reply. Also, whats it like driving the 325i for turner? does the excitement of racing ever wear off?

Thanks

thanks a lot for the quick reply. Also, whats it like driving the 325i for turner? does the excitement of racing ever wear off?

Thanks

Driving for Will is a privelege. The team and cars are world-class. I only wish I'd started driving younger so I were more competitive. The excitement never wears off, I would drive race cars every day If I could.

BTW, in case someone asks, the LM makes a regular F1 seem like a Yugo. It's indescribable. The sound sends shivers down your spine (like it does when a Fighter Jet flies overhead). The engine snarls and rev's dangerously fast. It feels like it weighs nothing, steering and handling are effortless. The LM is the perfect marriage of race car and road car. It has the best of both.

so Frank, have you buried the needle on the LM yet?

Right here's a question!

People constantly debate what these machines are worth but lets have cold figures..how much did you pay for the privilege?

Too personal a question? then tell me to get lost :)

Im just curious.

WOW......You're very lucky Frank, you have 3 McLarens. I love the cars so much....but the saddest part is that I have never seen one in real life. I've only seen pictures and videos of it. My only wish is to see one...I can't afford it, so just looking, if i'm lucky, sitting inside one will do.

Oh yah btw, I think pelaton should remeber....couple of weeks back I mistook somebody as a Mclaren owner...and was told that there was no one on the board who has one....but now there is thanx to Frank....YAY!!!!!! :evillol:

u've never seen a mclaren? TRY!!! i've seen 5 (7 different times, and you remember EVERY experience. i sat in the blue one @ christies btw :) )

I haven't seen one....It sucks!!!

I would love to go hunting for one...but i'm just so busy...college and work....its 6:35pm here and I'm going to work....I work 7 days a week...like 6 hours a day....but still....i work everyday.

If I find the location of one...I will definately go, I promise that.

Right here's a question!

People constantly debate what these machines are worth but lets have cold figures..how much did you pay for the privilege?

Too personal a question? then tell me to get lost :)

Im just curious.

What they're worth is what someone is willing to pay. For example, I bought the LM because it was available and I wanted it, thinking it might be the only opportunity I would ever have to own an original LM. I paid a HUGE premium over my other F1's. Since I will NEVER sell it, what is it worth? No way to answer that question. Although there are more F1 road cars around, there are still too few that come up for sale to establish a reliable market price.

Watch what happens. You might be surprised. Some cars may go for much more than you'd guess and then a few months later the reverse could be true. or vice/versa. Since there's several "on the market" right now, this will be an interesting test.

i'll try and average all the latest sales out later

Have you ever considered buying a GTR and racing it? not necessarily competively, but for use exclusively on the track. And if you had to sell either 007 or 068 to pay for it which one would you put on the market (i.e. out of the two standard road cars which one do you like best?)

BTW: thanks for the oppurtunity to ask these questions!! :smile:

well from what people (ahem, Jomo) have said, 007 IS for sale.

mini, do you think the signature on 007 makes it any more valueable?

no. you can send off any part of any f1 and get Mr. Murray or whoever to sign it. Btw, my name is Chris, its in my sign, feel free to call me that.

Hello Mr Seldorf, Before I start, I would just like to complement you on your generosity in displaying and letting people go for rides in your f1s.

Since this is the only time I probably will ever talk to an owner, may I ask these questions:

2) Have you bin to any McLaren functions or meetings hosted by McLaren Cars?
3) I heard from other owner comments, you should only consider buying a McLaren if you are commited and really willing to 'fit the bill', he discribes Insurance and Check Ups as rediculously extortionate. Was this the case for you? On the Jerermy Clarkson video, he discribes a check up or the like as 25000 dollars.
4) Have any of your friends or associated own(ed) an F1. Were they as passionate about the F1 as you are, or as rumours has it, it is just an expression of their wealth (eg Sultan of Brunai).
5) If you could own any chassis, what would it be? Would you ever consider an F1GT.

If you would not like to answer any of these questions, feel free.
Any replys would be greatly appreciated

regards

-Mike :smokin:

Thank you for giving me a chance to ask you these questions.

Well Mr. Selldorff, my question is since your cars were brought to america as Show vehicles...allowing you to put 2500mi every year. Do those miles only count for the open road (highways, city streets) or do they also count the time on track (if any is spent on track, I don't know).

My other question is how do they keep track of the miles you've driven...is there some sort of a yearly checkup??

If you don't want to answer these questions feel free, but if you do then that would be great.

Just a quick question for Mr. Selldorff:

What's your SECOND favourite road car to drive?

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Mr. Selldorff,

I hate to add to the piling list of questions, but an opportunity like this dosen't often come along.

Do other motorists make daily driving difficult? I mean, if I saw a Mclaren on the road, I'm sure their would be a large part of me that would want to follow it, and seeing as the car isn't exactly inconspicuous I think other motorists may feel the same way. I suppose what I'm really asking is, do people get so drawn to the car on the road that it causes traffic problems/accidents?

have you ever driven your cars on the limit on a track for a fast time? and if so, how much fuster was it then other established supercars?

Have you ever considered buying a GTR and racing it? not necessarily competively, but for use exclusively on the track. And if you had to sell either 007 or 068 to pay for it which one would you put on the market (i.e. out of the two standard road cars which one do you like best?)

BTW: thanks for the oppurtunity to ask these questions!! :smile:

Yes, i considered buying a GTR to have something to drive on the track, but I probably wouldn't race it. 007 is my "driver", 068 has never been on the road. I'm not sure which one i'd sell (it'd be tough to break 068's cherry if I sold 007), it'd be tough to sell 068.

but jomo said that 007 was for sale and on the market. someone has some explaining to do (ahem ahem jomo..)

Hello Mr Seldorf, Before I start, I would just like to complement you on your generosity in displaying and letting people go for rides in your f1s.

Since this is the only time I probably will ever talk to an owner, may I ask these questions:
1) Do you know of any, any owners in Australia? It only occurs to me that Dean Wills, owner of Coke Amatil and others etc. And Isuzu owner Lindsay Fox and LinFox (major trucking industry).
2) Have you bin to any McLaren functions or meetings hosted by McLaren Cars?
3) I heard from other owner comments, you should only consider buying a McLaren if you are commited and really willing to 'fit the bill', he discribes Insurance and Check Ups as rediculously extortionate. Was this the case for you? On the Jerermy Clarkson video, he discribes a check up or the like as 25000 dollars.
4) Have any of your friends or associated own(ed) an F1. Were they as passionate about the F1 as you are, or as rumours has it, it is just an expression of their wealth (eg Sultan of Brunai).
5) If you could own any chassis, what would it be? Would you ever consider an F1GT.

If you would not like to answer any of these questions, feel free.
Any replys would be greatly appreciated

regards

-Mike :smokin:


1) No, sorry.
2) I've been to the factory where I was given a complete tour of both facilities, but no I have not been to any McLaren F1 races.
3) Noone should buy an F1 who can't afford a proportionate amount allocated to maintenance and repairs. $1Million+ cars don't get tue-ups for $19.95 at Jiffy-Lube.
4) None of my close friends own an F1. I am familiar with other owners, and they run the gammit from enthusiastic driver (like me) to image-only buyers.
5) I'd like to get a race car sometime.

Thank you for giving me a chance to ask you these questions.

Well Mr. Selldorff, my question is since your cars were brought to america as Show vehicles...allowing you to put 2500mi every year. Do those miles only count for the open road (highways, city streets) or do they also count the time on track (if any is spent on track, I don't know).

My other question is how do they keep track of the miles you've driven...is there some sort of a yearly checkup??

If you don't want to answer these questions feel free, but if you do then that would be great.

I assume the law covers all miles, road and track. I'm not aware what they do to verify mileage. I just make sure i don't exceed the mileage so if they "spot check" me i will be in compliance.

Just a quick question for Mr. Selldorff:

What's your SECOND favourite road car to drive?

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

The TMS E46 race car.

You should consider the BMW M3 CSL (if it's legal in the states). It is supposed to be one heck of a car, with a cracking engines. It would be like having your E46 race car on the road. Quick question if i may, do you have any other classics other than the McLarens, something like a mint E30 M3 evo? (3 F1s and an E30 evo, my idea of heaven :iceslolan )

Mr. Selldorff,

I hate to add to the piling list of questions, but an opportunity like this dosen't often come along.

Do other motorists make daily driving difficult? I mean, if I saw a Mclaren on the road, I'm sure their would be a large part of me that would want to follow it, and seeing as the car isn't exactly inconspicuous I think other motorists may feel the same way. I suppose what I'm really asking is, do people get so drawn to the car on the road that it causes traffic problems/accidents?

There are three groups of drivers on the road: 1) those that don't know what it is and don't care; 2) those that think it's a ferrari or lamborghini or other exotic; 3) those that recognize it for what it is. Group 1 don't create any problems. Group 2 are a nuisance and disrespectful. Group 3 are generally a pleasure to deal with. They are polite, considerate and genuinely appreciate the opportunity to see a "real" one.

Regularly, when driving around town, someone going the other way sees me go by, puts on the brakes and makes a U-turn. They follow me all the way to my destination and then politely apologize for their intrusion and request the opportunity to look at the car more closely. I love talking to people who feel this passionate, often giving them a ride if i can spare the time.

When driving around, I'm not aware of any traffic problems or accidents that I've caused.

have you ever driven your cars on the limit on a track for a fast time? and if so, how much fuster was it then other established supercars?

a couple of years ago i put 007 on the track at NHIS for a few laps, but not at full speed. to track this car properly, you'd need slicks and ground effects at a minimum. remember, this was built as the perfect road car, it is not perfect for the track in road trim. i have not put the LM on the track, and won't. it's too valuable.

the GTR's would be fun to take around the track i'm sure. never done that.

You should consider the BMW M3 CSL (if it's legal in the states). It is supposed to be one heck of a car, with a cracking engines. It would be like having your E46 race car on the road. Quick question if i may, do you have any other classics other than the McLarens, something like a mint E30 M3 evo? (3 F1s and an E30 evo, my idea of heaven :iceslolan )

not really. it's been hard to get excited about any other car(s), already owning the best car ever built.

You should consider the BMW M3 CSL (if it's legal in the states). It is supposed to be one heck of a car, with a cracking engines. It would be like having your E46 race car on the road.

its not legal over here

do you have any other classics other than the McLarens, something like a mint E30 M3 evo?

there is only 1 e30 m3 evo in the us

(3 F1s and an E30 evo, my idea of heaven :iceslolan )

YOU AND ME BOTH PAL!! :grinno:

Unlucky! The CSL is a cracker. Clarkson took it to the isle of man (where there are no speed limits) on sunday's top gear. It looked and sounded sensational and he loved it.

Only one E30 evo in the states? you guys are missing out. I love that car and i'm going to be find me a good 'un once i get sorted out.

Anyway, this is a McLaren F1 thread, so enough of that.

i hope to find an e30 m3 evo for sale in the UK when i go so i can see it. it is my obcession. i have over 3000 e30 m3 pix

Mini magic,
there's numerous E30 M3 EVOs in the US. At least 15.

chrisl, i recommend using www.autotrader.co.uk to search for an e30 m3 when your over in the UK.

The TMS E46 race car.

Sorry, my fault, I was looking for a normal production car, street legal in the U.S.

Here's another question, if you have the time: "What don't you like about the F1 (there must be something) and what would you suggest as a remedy?"

Thanks again..

Mr Selldorf, I read you were a keen sailor, to how much extent?
Close friend of ours is Neville Crighton, he is also in the automotive industry (and owns the largest maxi-yaght in the world, Alfa Romeo)

And here is yet again, another question.
Did you have to partake in the McLaren test drive before ownership? If so, how did it go? Who was the instuctor?
Has anyone tried to steel or damage your car? If so result?

-How did you come across these forums?

Plus please post some more pics of your f1s, can you post a pic with all the compartments and doors open from a front on angle? (worth a try).

-Thanks again

-Mike :smokin:

I have another question Mr. Selldorff if you don't mind. It might seem childish but i'm pretty serious.

If I go to NY and decide to drive to Mass. Is there any way that you would allow me to look at your cars if I contacted you way before....It's a pretty dumb question...not like i'm going to come to NY anytime soon...but just wanted to ask since you're never going to sell the cars...may be next year.

Mr. Selldorff even if you decide to say no...please respond to this message...or pm me if you want.

Thanks again...

Raman B.

Mr Selldorf, welcome to the board. It's great to see someone like yourself contributing.

I would be interested to know something of the history of your LM. There was a LM that did the UK Gumball Rally a few years ago. It was owned by an economist called David Morrison. There are some photos and info at http://www.racecar.co.uk/gumballrally/index.htm One theory that I've heard on here is that your LM is the same one that did the Gumball Rally. Do you know if that is true?

Thanks for any information.

Here's another question, if you have the time: "What don't you like about the F1 (there must be something) and what would you suggest as a remedy?"

Thanks again..

wow, that's a hard question.

-one obvious drawback is the price, I wish it were cheaper so more people could enjoy one.
-it takes a little practice getting in and out easily. as a result of sliding over the passenger seat, things get easily snagged and scratched.
-believe it or not, but the right side exterior mirror does not adjust far enough back to get a good view. I thought mine was broken and spoke to McLaren about it, but was told that it was working properly and was unfortunately not able to be fixed. a design flaw! i still can't believe that they would have produced it that way, but that's the story i got.
-my radar detector (V1) is useless from inside the car, too much carbon fibre is my guess. i've never been happy with externally mounted solutions because they are too low to the ground, so i have no protection.
-there is a steady drain on the battery(the security system checking to see if the doors are open i think), so if i don't keep it plugged into a trickle charger (which they have a special plug to make it easy to do), it dies within 2 weeks. I have had to replace the battery at least 6 times.
-i've been told that passengers' backs get pretty warm on extended trips, their seats are closer to the engine bay than the drivers'

that's it off the top of my head. good question.

Frank

And here is yet again, another question.
Did you have to partake in the McLaren test drive before ownership? If so, how did it go? Who was the instuctor?
Has anyone tried to steel or damage your car? If so result?

-How did you come across these forums?

Plus please post some more pics of your f1s, can you post a pic with all the compartments and doors open from a front on angle? (worth a try).

-Thanks again

-Mike :smokin:

Mike,

Since I didn't buy the car new (ie i wasn't the first owner) and the cars were no longer in production when i bought them (1999) I don't know whether there was any instruction required before taking delivery. I was, however, treated exceptionally well and made to feel like i was buying a car directly from McLaren.

-I was offered a tour of the facility.
-I was fitted to the car (custom seat made for me, whell and pedal adjustements)
-I was offered the opportunity to change anything and everything on the car (color, options,...etc.)
-I was given a chance to test drive the car on their test track (it was wet and cold so i didn't push it hard. lots of leaves on the track at the time).
-I was given basic instruction on the car by one of their employees (i can't remember which).

Noone has tried to steal the car to my knowledge. I don't leave it unattended in public very often.

drewtms told me about the forum.

i'll post more pictures if i take them, most of them are already up here somewhere.

Frank

I have another question Mr. Selldorff if you don't mind. It might seem childish but i'm pretty serious.

If I go to NY and decide to drive to Mass. Is there any way that you would allow me to look at your cars if I contacted you way before....It's a pretty dumb question...not like i'm going to come to NY anytime soon...but just wanted to ask since you're never going to sell the cars...may be next year.

Mr. Selldorff even if you decide to say no...please respond to this message...or pm me if you want.

Thanks again...

Raman B.

Of course. I will share the car readily with true enthusiasts (for non-commercial purposes).

Mr Selldorf, welcome to the board. It's great to see someone like yourself contributing.

I would be interested to know something of the history of your LM. There was a LM that did the UK Gumball Rally a few years ago. It was owned by an economist called David Morrison. There are some photos and info at http://www.racecar.co.uk/gumballrally/index.htm One theory that I've heard on here is that your LM is the same one that did the Gumball Rally. Do you know if that is true?

Thanks for any information.

My LM was previously owned by David Morrison. I bought it with around 3000 miles on it.

hopefully this long question thread will end and you can become a more intergrated member of the forum, but before then i have final question: Do you know anything of the history of 007 (the car, not Mr. Bond)? I heard it was in bonnie scotland during it's first years. is that true?

hopefully this long question thread will end and you can become a more intergrated member of the forum, but before then i have final question: Do you know anything of the history of 007 (the car, not Mr. Bond)? I heard it was in bonnie scotland during it's first years. is that true?

I honestly don't know that much about it's history. sorry.

Have you ever pushed the LM to the limit?

Have you ever pushed the LM to the limit?

no. the clutch is going, so i drove it minimally.

My LM was previously owned by David Morrison. I bought it with around 3000 miles on it.

WooHoo - I got one right!! :lol2:

Actually, that was the answer I was hoping for, and it sparks a few more quesitons from me.

- Do you know why Morrison decided to sell the LM? I know there were reports in the papers about legal troubles relating to his employment, so that's the obvious explanation. If he chose to sell it for another reason, I'd be interested in hearing it if you can share.

- Besides paying a tremendous sum of money, can you explain how the LM ended up in your possession? I would expect the sale of a car as rare and priceless as the F1 LM to be offered in a more public way, such as an auction where competing bidders could really drive the price up to the benefit of the seller. I'm thinking a "Ferrari 250 GTO kind of frenzy" might be created by such an event.

- Do you know if Morrison also owned an F1 road car? I believe that the 5 customer LMs were initially offered only to people who had purchased a road car. If you do know that he had one, can you possibly confirm the color and chassis number of that car? The reason I ask, is because I have an old photo that I believe to be of Morrison's LM in a garage with a burgundy or red F1 road car and a classic Ferrari parked behind it. I can post the photo if you'd like.

- You say that you will not track the LM as it's too valuable. Not that I would want to discourage it, but it leaves me a little perplexed as to why you drive it on the public streets. Certainly on a closed circuit, there are far fewer variables to account for than on a public road. It just seems like a safer place to stretch the legs of such an incredible car to me, even if you're only driving it at 7/10ths.

Once again, thanks to you for becoming a very valuable member of our community. As always, provide as much or as little detail as you choose to.

>8^)
ER

;)


http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-10-7/1665893-mini%20magica.jpg

btw, what kind of ferrari is that?

A rare one. ;)

I'm a McLaren expert not a Ferrari one. :p If I had to guess, I'd say a 250 Lusso or something like that.

Thanks for posting the pic though. :cool:

>8^)
ER

its clearly got a fabric roof ie. convertable which kinda leaves me in the dark. i am no expert on old ferraris...

WooHoo - I got one right!! :lol2:

Actually, that was the answer I was hoping for, and it sparks a few more quesitons from me.

- Do you know why Morrison decided to sell the LM? I know there were reports in the papers about legal troubles relating to his employment, so that's the obvious explanation. If he chose to sell it for another reason, I'd be interested in hearing it if you can share.

- Besides paying a tremendous sum of money, can you explain how the LM ended up in your possession? I would expect the sale of a car as rare and priceless as the F1 LM to be offered in a more public way, such as an auction where competing bidders could really drive the price up to the benefit of the seller. I'm thinking a "Ferrari 250 GTO kind of frenzy" might be created by such an event.

- Do you know if Morrison also owned an F1 road car? I believe that the 5 customer LMs were initially offered only to people who had purchased a road car. If you do know that he had one, can you possibly confirm the color and chassis number of that car? The reason I ask, is because I have an old photo that I believe to be of Morrison's LM in a garage with a burgundy or red F1 road car and a classic Ferrari parked behind it. I can post the photo if you'd like.

- You say that you will not track the LM as it's too valuable. Not that I would want to discourage it, but it leaves me a little perplexed as to why you drive it on the public streets. Certainly on a closed circuit, there are far fewer variables to account for than on a public road. It just seems like a safer place to stretch the legs of such an incredible car to me, even if you're only driving it at 7/10ths.

Once again, thanks to you for becoming a very valuable member of our community. As always, provide as much or as little detail as you choose to.

>8^)
ER

- I've no idea why Mr. Morrison sold the car
- When the car was presented to me, I was told that I was competing with at least one other individual and the deal was "take it or leave it". i.e. if i didn't meet the asking price then it'd be going to someone else. As I said, I decided to meet the astronomical price rather than miss out on the opportunity to own an LM. I wasn't given much time to think about it, It came up and I had to decide within a day or two. I'm not sure why it didn't go to auction, we'd have to ask Mr. Morrison.
- I don't know about Mr. Morrison's road car, but I do remember being told the story that it was only offered to existing F1 owners.
- After driving it for the first time this summer (I bought it without ever getting inside the car), I realized right away how special it trully was. I decided on the spot that this car won't see much road/track time at all. It will maybe make an appearance or two a year. I'll probably trailer it to and from events to minimize the road hazards you referred to. What I'm thinking about is taking one of my road cars and sending it to McLaren for the LM treatment. That way I can drive a car that sounds and performs like the LM without putting miles on the LM.

let me know if/when you come to the East coast. You deserve to experience it.

Frank

hehe, i live in PA. i'll be up there soon, i really wanna see the Turner shop (i am obcessed with bmw's as well as mclarens especially the e30 m3)

btw, that reminds me. off topic: are turner still working on the e30 m3 project car? and if so, do you know when it will be completed?

Thanks for all the info Mr. Selldorff.

The full LM treatment sounds very nice indeed. I imagine it would be 007 if you decided to do it as it is the car that sees most use. Would you change the colour at the same time? Personally i like the black but that blue car with the LM treatment (011) was stunning. Is there any colour you would particularily like? Oh, and when you bought the cars were items such as the McLaren F1 watch and the bespoke luggage cases passed on to you?

Thanks once again. It really is great to be able to ask these questions and I think I speak for all of us when I say we really appreciate it.

hehe, i live in PA. i'll be up there soon, i really wanna see the Turner shop (i am obcessed with bmw's as well as mclarens especially the e30 m3)

btw, that reminds me. off topic: are turner still working on the e30 m3 project car? and if so, do you know when it will be completed?

Thanks for all the info Mr. Selldorff.

i don't know what the status of the E30 m3 project car. maybe drewtms can answer that. BTW, i just bought an E30 race car to practice with when i have the time. i can't wait, everyone says it's a great car to drive.

Mr. Selldoff, you could buy the upcoming car at christies, it has FULL LM and GTR treatment and other things, it is a unique mclaren.

here is a link with info: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143872&highlight=christies


its chassis #073.

also, good luck getting it into the US ;)

i don't know what the status of the E30 m3 project car. maybe drewtms can answer that. BTW, i just bought an E30 race car to practice with when i have the time. i can't wait, everyone says it's a great car to drive.


NOOOO!!!!! you now have 3/4 of my dream cars :(

mclaren f1
mclaren f1 lm
e30 race car
e30 m3 sport evolution





is it an e30 m3 race car? would you mind filling me in on the livery? or was it a converted car?

The full LM treatment sounds very nice indeed. I imagine it would be 007 if you decided to do it as it is the car that sees most use. Would you change the colour at the same time? Personally i like the black but that blue car with the LM treatment (011) was stunning. Is there any colour you would particularily like? Oh, and when you bought the cars were items such as the McLaren F1 watch and the bespoke luggage cases passed on to you?

Thanks once again. It really is great to be able to ask these questions and I think I speak for all of us when I say we really appreciate it.

yes, somce 068 is a brand new (never been registered) car, it would seem a shame to fool with it. i haven't put much thought into changing the exterior color, but i would probably change the interior, it's nice but a little differnet (cream and grey and brown).

as for the watches, unfortunately i have asked numerous times but it seems to fall on deaf ears. i have to admit i'd probably keep them if i were them too. so, no i don't have any watches. :(

i do have the luggage though, still in its original plastic so i probably wont use it.

can i have the luggage, lol ;)

You should consider the BMW M3 CSL (if it's legal in the states). It is supposed to be one heck of a car, with a cracking engines. It would be like having your E46 race car on the road. Quick question if i may, do you have any other classics other than the McLarens, something like a mint E30 M3 evo? (3 F1s and an E30 evo, my idea of heaven :iceslolan )

There's a video of the new BMW CSL at http://www.racingflix.com/recentlyaddedvideos.asp (free registration required) It's from the UK Top Gear program that was broadcast last Sunday. BMW have tried to get the CSL's weight down. Apparently the boot floor is even made of cardboard.

BTW thanks Mr Selldorff for confirming the Morrison theory and being so open. It's great to know that at least one of the LM's has found its way into the hands of a true enthusiast. :)

the new csl is NOTHING compared to the E30 M3 Sport Evo IMO

i am a massive e30 m3 fan, but i just can't get enough of the new CSL. I was built using traditional BMW philosophies, just like the original M3. It looks good, sounds terrific and apparently handles like a dream. A true enthusiasts car. And that is what BMW does best.

smg? if they had reg. 6 speed they could have saved more weight (smg is something like 200lbs heavier than the manual tranmission) i like it too but the e30 m3 evo sport will prob. always be my favourite bimmer.

thats a good point. Although the SMG in the CSL is way better than the ferrari system, i still think paddle shifts are a bit of a gimmick and can't compete with a well sorted manual 'box. Anyway, this is a mclaren forum.

i hate like paddle shifts, i actually don't know why, but i just do. i much prefur manual. i guess it could be nostalgia, i dunno

Mr Selldorff,

Thanks for being a true gentleman and car enthusiast:) Your replies and insights are a terrific read.

Personally, living in Australia, i doubt i'd ever get to see (or ride in) a Mclaren unless i planned a trip to UK's Parklane:) Sigh:)
I've recently become a nut about this car and find myself visiting this forum on a daily basis. Heh:)

Anyway, I've always wondered what the approximate maintenence costs are for owning a F1. Excluding taxes and other country-specific costs, what does it cost you to maintain a F1 yearly?
(If this is a sensitive qn, pls don't feel obligated to entertain it:)

Also, does Mclaren offer upgrades to the car? Although it's the perfect road car in almost every aspect, i'm sure that over time, Mclaren would develop little improvements and offer it to owners such as yourself. Is that the case? I was wondering along the lines of upgraded software, carbon-ceramic brakes, engine refinements, etc.
(I'm not really concerned with stuff like LCD screens and MP3 Players, which, IMHO, are superfluous on a car like the F1)

And finally, a short, shotgun qn. How much does it cost to change the exterior color of a F1?:)

Thanks in advance for entertaining my qns:)
It's my dream that one day in the future, i'd have the resources to fully indulge in my passion for cars like you have:)

Cheers!
-Calvin

Personally, living in Australia, i doubt i'd ever get to see (or ride in) a Mclaren unless i planned a trip to UK's Parklane:)

upcoming event in nsw to see a mclaren f1 in the flesh, aswell as xj220 vipers etc etc.... click here (http://www.sch.edu.au/mr.asp?doc=174)




Some of the magnificent and rare vehicles on display include Aston Martins, Bentleys, Corvette Stingrays, Jaguars including the rare XJ220, Dodge Viper, Ferraris, Custom Harley Davison trikes, Hummers, Lotus Elise, Mercedes, Pontiac Firebird, Porsches, McLaren F1, Lamborghini Diabolo, UltIma Spyda, boats and one helicopter.
it will also include eight priceless Porsches from the company'sMuseum in Stuttgart. The $20 million plus collection of Porsches includes the three Le Mans winners etc etc

check it out, entry is about $15 i believe.......

Mr. Selldorff:

How were you able to make LM03 and 068 meet EPA OBD II requirements?

check it out, entry is about $15 i believe.......


HOLY COW!:) THanks for bringing that to my attention!
I'll share pics with you guys after the show!:)

-Calvin

Aw man, that was in 1998! I got all excited for nothing..... sigh

yeah i was gonna say that. one white mclaren was sold through t&c so it may not even be in aus. any more

I just wanted to ask where 068 is and how often you get to drive it.

I have a question that i'm surprised that no one else has asked. What other cars do you have?


Thanks

i think i asked that. lemme check.....

not really. it's been hard to get excited about any other car(s), already owning the best car ever built.

I did and this was the reply, although i only asked if he had any other classics in the collection.

yeah but Mr. Selldorff doesn't say WHAT cars he owns... ;)

ah, good point. BMWs hopefully and none of those nasty mercs.

Mr Selldorff,

Thanks for being a true gentleman and car enthusiast:) Your replies and insights are a terrific read.

Personally, living in Australia, i doubt i'd ever get to see (or ride in) a Mclaren unless i planned a trip to UK's Parklane:) Sigh:)
I've recently become a nut about this car and find myself visiting this forum on a daily basis. Heh:)

Anyway, I've always wondered what the approximate maintenence costs are for owning a F1. Excluding taxes and other country-specific costs, what does it cost you to maintain a F1 yearly?
(If this is a sensitive qn, pls don't feel obligated to entertain it:)

Also, does Mclaren offer upgrades to the car? Although it's the perfect road car in almost every aspect, i'm sure that over time, Mclaren would develop little improvements and offer it to owners such as yourself. Is that the case? I was wondering along the lines of upgraded software, carbon-ceramic brakes, engine refinements, etc.
(I'm not really concerned with stuff like LCD screens and MP3 Players, which, IMHO, are superfluous on a car like the F1)

And finally, a short, shotgun qn. How much does it cost to change the exterior color of a F1?:)

Thanks in advance for entertaining my qns:)
It's my dream that one day in the future, i'd have the resources to fully indulge in my passion for cars like you have:)

Cheers!
-Calvin

-maintenance is hard to calculate on any "normal" schedule. Other than replacing the battery regularly, there is nearly zero maintenance. i had the clutch done once (and it needs to be done again), and that costs around $8K I think.
-you can change anything and everything on the car. the only true options are the HDF kit and sport exhaust (i think). sport exhaust, i was told, involves simply drilling some holes to make it louder :), seriously!
- painting the car was 20 or 30,000 pounds i think.

-i was told they made enhancements to the cars suspension (geometry changes) as the years progressed.
- i don't know whether anything else changed with the engine, the brakes remain the same.

Frank

I have a question that i'm surprised that no one else has asked. What other cars do you have?


Thanks

You're right. my daily driver is a 2000 M5, and i also have a mini S to tool around in. that's it.

i was at a BMW dealer today and put my name on the list for a new 6-series and asked them about the CSL. they had no idea what i was talking about. i guess it's not coming to the states?

you've got taste! I really like the new 6 and i hope this new design direction will work for BMW. You can only get a 645Ci at the moment but there is V10 powered M6 coming late next year. Can't wait!

mmm, m5. so nice. i saw one today. and yes, the csl is definatley not coming to the states (at least not through bmw). i'm sure some will get here though.

Thanks for the reply

What about 068? Where is it and how often do you get to drive it?

Thanks.

he said somewhere on this thread that its in the us and he hasn't "popped its cherry" yet

i hate saying "popped the cherry" btw. dunno why.

sorry, random talk

Thanks chris. Now i'll have to come up with something else or my list of seemingly never ending questions will grind to a halt. Lets see......ah yes. Did it take long to adjust to the central driving position? and is it true that with the belts fastened you can't close the door? (getting a bit desperate now). Thanks.

hehe. lol

Anybody here about the Nieman Marcus Edition 6? It sold out in some 6 or 7 minutes, it was only 50 units but damn, if a company can get that sort of demand for a prdouct, WOW.

I'm sorta surprised that Mr. Selldroff has such a small collection (Roughly 50% of it is Mclaren dominated) but at the same time it's quite smart, why spend a fortune to keep museum peices you'll never drive frequently?

In terms of enthusiasts I think Mr. Selldorff outdoes us all.

BTW, I noticed the Cooper S is popular amongst people who have arguably way faster, more exspenive machines in the stable. This is the 3rd or 4 th case I've seen, perhaps I should try one out.

Mr. Selldroff thank your for giving me the hope that I will get to see my fav. cars someday.

Well, I don't know much about the McLaren factory so here is another set of questions if you don't mind.

-How many sections does the factory have? ex. paint section stuff like that.
-How many cars are at the factory? their own, not customers.
-How long is the track?
-Do you have any pictures of your own experience there?

Once again thanks for answering all of our questions.

Thanks,
Raman B.

Mr. Selldroff thank your for giving me the hope that I will get to see my fav. cars someday.

Well, I don't know much about the McLaren factory so here is another set of questions if you don't mind.

-How many sections does the factory have? ex. paint section stuff like that.
-How many cars are at the factory? their own, not customers.
-How long is the track?
-Do you have any pictures of your own experience there?

Once again thanks for answering all of our questions.

Thanks,
Raman B.


Planning to go into production are we?

Mr Selldorff,

-Have you met Mr Murray?
-Seen any XPs?
-If you could have one other exotic, what would it be? Does a GT40 intrest you, an enzo or would you (like me) just satisfied to own 3 pieces of heaven,

-Mike :smokin:

How long is the track?



they use the chobam test track in surrey i believe (i used to live 20 mins away from there :naughty: )

Thanks chris. Now i'll have to come up with something else or my list of seemingly never ending questions will grind to a halt. Lets see......ah yes. Did it take long to adjust to the central driving position? and is it true that with the belts fastened you can't close the door? (getting a bit desperate now). Thanks.

i'd driven some open wheel cars, so center driving wasn't that big a deal. it makes perfect sense to sit in the middle when you think about it.

no, you can close the door while belted in. there are handles high up on the doors that are made for the driver to use. it's pretty easy, i don't even have to stretch to reach them.

Mr. Selldroff thank your for giving me the hope that I will get to see my fav. cars someday.

Well, I don't know much about the McLaren factory so here is another set of questions if you don't mind.

-How many sections does the factory have? ex. paint section stuff like that.
-How many cars are at the factory? their own, not customers.
-How long is the track?
-Do you have any pictures of your own experience there?

Once again thanks for answering all of our questions.

Thanks,
Raman B.

-the factory i toured was the F1 race team facility, the F1 raod car was out of production, so all there is left is the maintenance facility. the race shop was way cool, i got to see everything! the cars were at a race at the time, but the T-car was there.

-at the road car facility there were 4 or 5 cars being worked on at the time i think.
-i don't remember the name or length of the track.
-no i didn't take any pictures, sorry.

You are one really lucky guy. You have done everything that i've wanted to do in my lifetime already.

Mr Selldorff,

-Have you met Mr Murray?
-Seen any XPs?
-If you could have one other exotic, what would it be? Does a GT40 intrest you, an enzo or would you (like me) just satisfied to own 3 pieces of heaven,

-Mike :smokin:

-no, Gordon Murray was no longer involved in the road car business. he was probably already working on the SLR, a project handled by a separate team. the people i met were all involved in the mainetnance of the F1 road cars.
-i believe XPLM was there, and an XP road car. can't remember which.
-i'm thinking about the interesting cars coming out (veyron, GT40, carrera GT, others...) not sure if i'll take the plunge. none of them seem to compare. enzo is ugly, give me a break. what was ferrari thinking? are we blind?

Another question for Mr. Selldorff,

Assuming the cars can be driven enough for normal wear and tear (I don't know what can happen to a Mclaren in 2500 miles) what are some of the regular changes, or maintence work that has been performed other than the battery?

What does your wife say about spending all this money on cars ? :) Have you ever considered dragging those babies ?(Don't Answer that) Living in South Africa, we used to get E30 325iS's and 333i no E30 M3's since our petrol grade was'nt that great back than. And still isn't at 95 the best you can get, unless you go and buy 102 especially. That brings me to another question, Do you run your babies on 102 all the time ? I would'nt like to imagine what this would be like, but have you ever considered putting a Twin-Turbo in one of those babies?(Of course you can't because of emissions.But if you brought a nice house in South Africa, and brought one over here, you would have no problems with emissions or speeding...since our traffic cops are easily bribed with about $5 U.S.; Does'nt help with camera's though. I suppose you could always keep a Jack hammer in the car:)

Really nice to have such a passionate owner spend his time posting on the Internet.Oh and if I was to die, I would hope it to be in an F1:) or any car for that matter. As long as I am driving.

Ciao.

why, oh why would you want to put a twin turbo in a mclaren? :(

Mr Selldorff, have you thought anymore about the upgrade of 007? Would you be interested in the LM engine or would one be enough? It would be up to 691 HP in a car that is more practical than the LM. I'd certainly chose it over an interior refit. And a nice high downforce kit to go with it. Now that sounds nice. Of course you could just get a GTR instead :naughty:

do u know how much you would have to change to make the car handle if you fit a bigger engine in it. keep it original. btw, good luck again getting a gtr here for more than a few months

He's got 068 to keep original. A few modifications to 007 would be fine. At least a HDK and some of the more standard mods McLaren have come up with, like upraed AC etc.

why do so many people think the hd kit is so cool? i know it adds traction/downforce whatever but i don't like it. keep it original. uprated ac would be nice tho

After 10 years i think the car still looks great, especially at the front where it looks really aggresive. But i think the back is some how weaker than the rest, but as soon as the wing is added is looks alot better and it enables the whole design to gel better. Thats just my opinion, i wouldn't get a HDK for any practical reasons, purely aesthetical ones.

thats what i mean. its almost like r1ce but it affective, but i'm sure 75% of all the people who got one did it for looks

thats what i mean. its almost like r1ce but it affective, but i'm sure 75% of all the people who got one did it for looks

eh? me no follow

you said " i wouldn't get a HDK for any practical reasons, purely aesthetical ones.". Why do people like big wings so much? you mclaren r1cer

damnit, you made me go over 1000 posts, i was gonna make a special thread with some new pix. now i'll have to wait another 999 posts.


btw, i just had deja-vu

btw, i just had deja-vu

Did you really?

btw, i just had deja-vu

Did you really?

yes i did ;)

Hate to be a bother, but if we could keep this thread for Q/A only, I'm sure Frank dosen't want to have to sort through pages of posts.

I've got a question for Mr Selldorff.

I'm part of a team that is simulating a few cars that will be included in a modification for the F12002 racing-simulation. One of those cars is the Mclaren F1, and there will most likely be an F1 LM to arrive slightly later down the track.

Would it be possible if we could perhaps get your advice on various aspects of the F1's performance, and to perhaps do some beta testing for us, so we can attempt to verify that what we are doing is correct and accurate to the real car.

If you are interested, please contact me via private message, and we can discuss this further.

So far, the car appears like this:

http://www.totalnfs.net/temp/f109.jpg

This is still in early development so far.

Thanks for listening, and thanks for sharing your experiences with these wonderful and amazing cars with us.

Another question for Mr. Selldorff,

Assuming the cars can be driven enough for normal wear and tear (I don't know what can happen to a Mclaren in 2500 miles) what are some of the regular changes, or maintence work that has been performed other than the battery?

my experience has been near flawless. i had a few problems with the reverse lock-out pin jamming, but nothing else. there are scheduled maintenance periods like any car, but without going to the manual i can't remember when and how often. there was one at 5,000 to 10,000 miles for a valve check/adjustment and other routine stuff. i don't think the next one is for a long while. the car is pretty bullet-proof (amazing for a supercar).

What does your wife say about spending all this money on cars ? :) Have you ever considered dragging those babies ?(Don't Answer that) Living in South Africa, we used to get E30 325iS's and 333i no E30 M3's since our petrol grade was'nt that great back than. And still isn't at 95 the best you can get, unless you go and buy 102 especially. That brings me to another question, Do you run your babies on 102 all the time ? I would'nt like to imagine what this would be like, but have you ever considered putting a Twin-Turbo in one of those babies?(Of course you can't because of emissions.But if you brought a nice house in South Africa, and brought one over here, you would have no problems with emissions or speeding...since our traffic cops are easily bribed with about $5 U.S.; Does'nt help with camera's though. I suppose you could always keep a Jack hammer in the car:)

Really nice to have such a passionate owner spend his time posting on the Internet.Oh and if I was to die, I would hope it to be in an F1:) or any car for that matter. As long as I am driving.

Ciao.

-i run the cars on 94 octane.

Mr Selldorff, have you thought anymore about the upgrade of 007? Would you be interested in the LM engine or would one be enough? It would be up to 691 HP in a car that is more practical than the LM. I'd certainly chose it over an interior refit. And a nice high downforce kit to go with it. Now that sounds nice. Of course you could just get a GTR instead :naughty:

I haven't driven the LM enough to become familiar with the full characteristics of the engine. it is much much louder and nastier sounding :). that being said, i'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want more power and better sound.

imo, there is a huge difference in styling as a result of adding the HFK. for driving around town, eg. taking my wife to a fancy party, the HDK is a bit too much "boy-racer". the normal F1 (in black or silver) is perfect, even a little stealthy. I would only get the HDK if I was planning on doing a lot of track time or driving on the limit (not a good idea on public roads).

do u know how much you would have to change to make the car handle if you fit a bigger engine in it. keep it original. btw, good luck again getting a gtr here for more than a few months

i don't know, i would have to ask McLaren.

I've got a question for Mr Selldorff.

I'm part of a team that is simulating a few cars that will be included in a modification for the F12002 racing-simulation. One of those cars is the Mclaren F1, and there will most likely be an F1 LM to arrive slightly later down the track.

Would it be possible if we could perhaps get your advice on various aspects of the F1's performance, and to perhaps do some beta testing for us, so we can attempt to verify that what we are doing is correct and accurate to the real car.

If you are interested, please contact me via private message, and we can discuss this further.

So far, the car appears like this:

http://www.totalnfs.net/temp/f109.jpg

This is still in early development so far.

Thanks for listening, and thanks for sharing your experiences with these wonderful and amazing cars with us.

-For everyone's benefit I'll answer it here.

I am willing to help enthusiasts as much as possible. However, the information I provide should be used for non-commercial purposes. I am a lucky guy and desire share my good fortune with those who appreciate it and it is shared for free. I bleieve it should stay free from that point forward. make sense? PM me if you have any comments on this or any requests that need to remain confidential.

Dear Mr Frank Selldorf,

I know this has been said before many times, but thank you very much for you kindness and generosity in answering questions about your magnificent cars.

I was lucky enough to have a ride in a Mclaren F1 GTR no.10 (I think) at Goodwood and that car was absolutely stunning to say the least!

Is it true that your 068 car is here in britain? If so are you planning on coming over here to drive it?

The reason I ask is that we have a very good airfield that we use regularly called bruntingthorpe which has a 2.3 mile straight...and one can book it for the day....

We currently own a RUF R turbo, not quite in the same league as a Mclaren but pretty close (i like to think anyway ;) )
and the mere thought of these two cars together at bruntingthorpe actually makes me giddy.


If you want to come over to England and drive 068. I would be more than honoured to prepare a day at Bruntingthorpe where we could compare and drive the two cars, in a safe, restriction free environment.

Here is my story of our delivery of the RUF:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30489

and this was us doing 0-190mph at bruntingthorpe:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33684&highlight=ruf

thank you again, it is really exceptional of you to be here,

all the best
adam

A Ruf!!! Omg!! Can I See It When I Come Over In December!!! :) Pm Me!


Btw, nice pix

Dear Mr Selldorff,

I have a quick question:)
What is the road clearance of a Mclaren? Do you have difficulty going over speed bumps or onto driveway ramps?

Regards,
Calvin

Hey AdamT,

Amazing story about the R Turbo, I was given a link.. a number of months ago now and spent a lot of time reading every last word. In terms of good car related things that happen people, you have a number on all of us.

I think I need to put up a

:useless:

There's just too much eye candy that's not getting posted.

I dont really want to hijack the thread, however ill post one new pic i took of the ruf whilst at Goodwood

all the best
adam

http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4205114909&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagestation.com%2Fpicture%2F sraid87%2Fp7fa2bd4a4d37eb86adef0872514a51b4%2Ffaa4 f61d.jpg&caption=dsc01084

Mr. Selldorff, its been said many times here, but thank you once again for sharing your experiences with us all. I actually introduced a friend of mine to the splendor that is the McLaren F1 tonight, courtesy of the internet, and he is totally smitten with the car. The extent of his car knowledge is gas on the right, brake on the left, but he immediately recognized the F1 as a "god among cars" (his exact words).
As for my questions:
1) Have you ever had to teach someone a lesson on the street? Some ricer that just wouldn't go away, or even an exotic looking for a good challenge (or whupping, in this case :iceslolan )? Any close races, or even loses? Earlier you said you like to keep it tame, but with a car like that must be very tempting to open up once in a while.
2) Any trouble/hassle from law enforcement due to the car? Busted at all? Or do they look up and say "There goes Frank again."?
3) And I too am curious about the road clearance, and do you have trouble with speed bumps, driveways, etc?
Thanks again for this opportunity, not too many chances like this come up often.

First off I would like to say that this is my first post on this forum ever.
I have been reading here for a while now, but I really felt the need to comment here especially.

It is very nice to see such an enthusiast be so generous to a community of fans. Thank you very much for being a true gentleman.

This topic is one that continues to hold my attention as I have lusted over this car for almost its entire existence, seeing that at the time, I was below the driving age and hadn't paid much attention. Things do indeed change when you get your first set of keys :biggrin: It is again very nice of you to participate in this forum.

Now that I have that out of the way, I second the question of ground clearance. Up here in Michigan I doubt I would ever be able to own one (money not withstanding) due to potholes and a few parking lot entrances I know of :rolleyes:

Dear Mr Selldorff,

I have a quick question:)
What is the road clearance of a Mclaren? Do you have difficulty going over speed bumps or onto driveway ramps?

Regards,
Calvin

For the most part, the car's clearance is fine. Some speed bumps are higher than others, but except for extreme examples, I can get over them without scraping by slowing down to a full stop. I had McLaren add some aluminum blocks under the nose to help prevent damage, they work well. They touch occaissionally, but protect the car successfully.

As for my questions:
1) Have you ever had to teach someone a lesson on the street? Some ricer that just wouldn't go away, or even an exotic looking for a good challenge (or whupping, in this case :iceslolan )? Any close races, or even loses? Earlier you said you like to keep it tame, but with a car like that must be very tempting to open up once in a while.
2) Any trouble/hassle from law enforcement due to the car? Busted at all? Or do they look up and say "There goes Frank again."?
3) And I too am curious about the road clearance, and do you have trouble with speed bumps, driveways, etc?
Thanks again for this opportunity, not too many chances like this come up often.

1) It's nice being able to make anybody "go away" if I want to, and have done so on more than one occaission. No close races. Biggest fun is running past superbikes on the highway.
2) My only ticket was for doing 40 in a 25. ask Drew to post pics

2) My only ticket was for doing 40 in a 25. ask Drew to post pics

Didn't you explain to the officer that the McLaren simply can't do 25mph?? ;)

Hey Drew - you heard what the man said, and you know how we love pictures. :D

>8^)
ER

Mr Selldorff,

I was wondering if perhaps you missed my post above, regarding a visit to England?

all the best
adam

Mr Selldorff,

I was wondering if perhaps you missed my post above, regarding a visit to England?

all the best
adam

Sorry Adam,

I appreciate your offer, however I have no plans to drive 068 at this point, it has less than 100 miles on it and I'd like to keep it that way.

I am sure that at some point in the future I'll have a car back to the Factory for major work. If your offer is still good then, then I'd be happy to go for a drive at an airport.

Frank

please tell me when, i'll fly there for it, and this is no joke

yeah, me too :). Any chance you can do it about a week after christmas? :) ;)

Sorry Adam,

I appreciate your offer, however I have no plans to drive 068 at this point, it has less than 100 miles on it and I'd like to keep it that way.

I am sure that at some point in the future I'll have a car back to the Factory for major work. If your offer is still good then, then I'd be happy to go for a drive at an airport.

Frank


Dear Frank,

The offer is open indefinetley, also i was thinking that it would be easy to set up a trip to the nurburgring nordsliefe, so that whilst you are in europe you can really try everything we have to offer, and of course try the mclaren out in germany on the autobahn :thumbsup:

again, thank you

all the best
adam

Hey Drew - you heard what the man said, and you know how we love pictures. :D

>8^)
ER

I know what picture it is - but I can't find it right now.

I came across this one though which I thought was excellent: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/0101.jpg


I'll look some more for the ticket picture.

yeah and since i live just between england and germany and we have some nice roads here, you are invited to stay at my place :-D

I came across this one though which I thought was excellent...

...and you were right! Cool shot - reminds me of one of the ones in the Roundel article. Thanks for sharing!

>8^)
ER

WHOAAA!!! :ylsuper: an actual owner. those cars are at the top of my list when it comes to dream cars. :naughty: do you guys know if anyone owns one of those cars here in the US? id love to see one. if given the chance to even sit on it. :naughty: IF no one owns them here in the US...Mr. Selldorff, do you have by any chance have plans to visit the US with your car? take it for a spin. hehehe! :lol: peace!

Whats up Frank. Its David Habel. Good to see you around here, I check this out somewhat regularly and these guys know their stuff.

Anyways, hope the season ended well for you, of course i saw results and everything but that doesnt always tell the whole story. It sucked that I couldnt work the last 5 races cus of school, but I had a blast with you and all the guys (and Ali and Britney of course :biggrin: ) and hopefully I'll be back next year. So many stories from just this season. Anyways just wanted to say hello.

ps...when i went home from school in Oct we had a bonfire at my house and Ali came over, we tried doin that trick from Mid Ohio but the damn thing wouldnt work... :lol2: :lol2:

For you E30 M3 enthusiasts...I just talked to Doug Mahar of Turner after I posted and told him that a few people on here were asking about the E30 M3 project car and asked when the info will be up. WELL GOOD NEWS...he said it will be up in about an hour or so, so definately check it out. It was pretty ironic that I asked when I did considering that he said he just got word that it was going to be up 5 mins before I asked. Definately check it out and check out Franks 007 too if you havent already. Turner Motorsport Project Cars (E30 M3, Will Turner's heavily modded E46 M3, Franks 007, and Turner Mini-sport) (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/projectcars.shtml)

PS Im an E30 M3 owner myself so im pretty pumped

For you E30 M3 enthusiasts...I just talked to Doug Mahar of Turner after I posted and told him that a few people on here were asking about the E30 M3 project car and asked when the info will be up. Turner Motorsport Project Cars (E30 M3, Will Turner's heavily modded E46 M3, Franks 007, and Turner Mini-sport) (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/projectcars.shtml)

PS Im an E30 M3 owner myself so im pretty pumped



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Please tell me thats at turner? i may be coming up soon (my dad said i can drive up with him to count towards my 50hrs on my permit :grinno: )

That is a customer car but there are always a few E30 M3s up there at any given time. Turner is pretty well known for their E30 work. They have a few racecars and Franks new racer may be up there too. Will has a J-Stock car too. I have never been to the actual shop even though I worked for the race team...I was supposed to btwn Mosport and Limerock but we had work to do on the cars so i had to go straight to LRP.

That is one amazing car. I'm talking to my parents tonight about getting an e30 m3 :) . Wish me luck

Hello !

Welcome M. Selldorff on this forum. It's incredible to have the truth of an owner who cares about this marvellous car and share the passion with others.
thank you for all your answers.

I have a question important for me please : Have you been contacted by McLaren Cars or Patrick Peter to participate at the Celebration for a decade of McLaren f1 which was initially planned in France in september near Bordeaux :) with meeting with 250 GTO and a day at Le Mans :) ?

Thank you very much if you can answer !

Have a good flight in McLaren F1 ;)

Ciao
Phil

www.supercarinparis.fr.fm

I have a question important for me please : Have you been contacted by McLaren Cars or Patrick Peter to participate at the Celebration for a decade of McLaren f1 which was initially planned in France in september near Bordeaux :) with meeting with 250 GTO and a day at Le Mans :) ?
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It did happen btw, just not on the scale as expected. It'll happen again soon tho.

Hello,

Minimagic > Did I say opposite ? I know that it will be reffered to 2004.

Ciao
Phil

hu? It happened over the summer, just not as big as expected. it will happen again tho

Mr. Selldorff,

Just a small question. Have you considered to hire a professional photographer, or perhaps "let" pro photographers take pictures of your cars?

To everyone else BTW, do you know where I can find a wall poster of a McLaren F1 roadcar in motion. In my opinion, the countryside and nature fits best with photos of exotics in motion. I've seen the Ron Kimball pictures of the LM already, I was wondering if they have roadcar shots.

Thanks.

there are 2 that come to mind. a new one was made by kimball but the car wasn't in motion. the other one(s) were the 2 of wyclefs car, 1 from the side, 1 from face on. i'll look for links later

Hello,

I think that this event do not hapenned. I talk of the celebration from september 16th until september 19th.

I send some emails to Patrick Peter organisation who organize Monte-Carlo Historique and Tour de France Auto (you can see photos of the start at Eiffel Tower here : http://carpics.free.fr/TourAuto2003/tourauto2003.htm) and someone tell me that it has be reported.

Ciao
Phil

i can guarentee a mclaren meet happened. it just may not have been organised by him.

Hello fellow F1 fans! :D

ummm. hi. welcome to the forums

Bah, i thought i was special because i own a 360 Spyder but i guess i have been beet lol, oh well thanks for comin, man i wish people would ask pics of my car lol, i dont give rides usually but i love it when people ask me questions and look inside, I`m dont usually feel it`s neccisary to buy a million dollor car... but i guess if you really like to drive it`s ok... i dont think i would buy one because there impractical and they only seat one from what i ahve heard.. and if i put a SuperCharger on my Suzuki Hyabusa Motorcycle, it will go as fast as an F1 and it only got 10grand, man you should have jsut got a motorcycle there much cheeper and more practical

let`s give a list of all our cars we own jsut to se the exzotics that some people own!
these are my babys if that`s what you younge kids call them lol
2003 Ferrari 360 Spyder
2003 Range Rover
2004 Audi RS6
2003 Chevy TrailBlazer
2004 Infinitie FX45
2004 Porche CyanneTurbo
those are my (babys) lol i own a lot of smaller cars insted of one very expensive impractical F1

The F1 could crush a hayabusa. The hayabusa only tops out at 194 mph, the mclaren does 240.
Oh, and the F1 has three seats - it seats more than your 360 :tongue:

Mr. Selldorff,

Just a small question. Have you considered to hire a professional photographer, or perhaps "let" pro photographers take pictures of your cars?

Thanks.

thanks for the suggestion. since i never planned on selling them, i never really put much thought into taking photos. i think next spring i'll try to get some pics of all 3 of my cars together. that'd be pretty cool i think.

my goodness you ahve discoverd the secret behind my motorcycle, the problem is what if you put a turbo charger on it? oh well maybe it will go 245mph i asked the makers of the thing when i got it...

Frank what do you drive in the winter? F1s would be all over the road.. and what the heck do you do for a job?

FXman, i see you put style before substance. Where are the hardcore driving machines in your collection?

Frank what do you drive in the winter? F1s would be all over the road.. and what the heck do you do for a job?

an M5 and a mini. I'm in high tech.

People take note:

2 McLaren F1s
McLaren F1 LM
BMW E39 M5
MINI Cooper S
BMW E30 M3 Race Car

that is a car collection. And not an SUV in sight. :biggrin:

mmm. e30 racer 3 mclarens and a mini.....

IMO all that's missing is a late Lamborghini Muira. I'd put it in the garden and just look at it :iceslolan .

BTW: Looks like Autocar have finally ensured the services of an Enzo for an F1 comparison test. It's published on Tuesday and I can't wait. I'll tell you all about it as soon as i get my hands on it. They are are also doing "49 other greatest head to heads in motoring", including the Porsche 911 vs Physics :rofl:

TcarR,
those of us who don't have access to AutoCar would sure love to see the article--would it be possible for you to scan it in and post it?
TIA!

Well i don't have a flat bed scanner, but i've got a few days so i'll see what i can come up with. I think i know where i can get one......

hehe. ditto for what he said.

i can host the scans btw :) just email them to me, e30evo@yahoo.com

IMO all that's missing is a late Lamborghini Muira. I'd put it in the garden and just look at it :iceslolan:

watching top gear lately :P

yeah :biggrin: . How do you get it in holland?

something called the internet

it ain't broadcast over the web, is it? can you get it in the states

if Mr Selldorf is (still) looking through this thread. i have got someone that says that he would really like to write an article about you and your cars.

his name is Drew Phillips. he is the webmaster for www.fast-autos.net and www.Dodge-Vipers.com. if you are interested, please send him an email.

it ain't broadcast over the web, is it? can you get it in the states
http://5thgear.viper007bond.com/

we have bbc 1&2 here :-D

Hello,

thanks minimagic for this link !

Ciao
Phil

no probs man

wow thanks for the insight Frank

but you upset me with your comment on the McLaren blowing by the sportbikes, i kown i will never own one but i thought i could experance the kind of rush you would get from it by getting a really nice sportbike.

so i was wondering what the bikers did when you blew past them in...well i hate to say it cause it is a mc laren but a car?

Must have been 600cc sportbikes...a Huyabusa or ZX-11 would be very close if not equal up to 185 plus.

i ride a 99 hayabusa and if an f1 were to go by me at speed i'd be in awe. wonderful cars.
(mind you i'd not let the throttle go til i was caught up again so i could could get my free ride in the mclaren :iceslolan )
*ahh i can only dream*

(btw.. my bike tops out at ~305 km/h and i believe the f1 is in the 390's.. amazing..)

SUVs are a need in my family i couldnt stand having a BMW i hate the junk hunkers!

o.o you have the Busa? so do i neat ; ) lol

i couldnt stand having a BMW i hate the junk hunkers!

:eek7: :loser:

i now hate you with a passion :nono:

SUVs are a need in my family i couldnt stand having a BMW i hate the junk hunkers!

1. Ever Driven the X5?

2. What family situation could you possibly have that would REQUIRE an SUV, rather than a 10 MPG improved, better accelerating, better braking, better handling minivan (if you need room for 7) or station wagon (Subaru Outback if you live in an are where you need AWD), or a crew cab truck if you need to haul a 13,000 lb trailer and have room for people (spent a good portion of the weekend in the back seat of an F350
towing a 13000 lb trailer, and I'm 6'1").

lol people hate me with passion lol, sorry i`v test drivin the X5 i just dont like BMW, maybe it`s because i think it`s a snobs car, i dunno and i hate Ford, sorry, i`m a Chevy guy lol and i think Suburus are cheap, so i found an allternitive to an SUV a sports truck lol,Cyanne and FX45, those are my vehicles, that have all wheel drive, and they suite me for driving to colorado and northern California lol : )

Once again... Can we please keep this thread "On Topic"

If you have more questions, or responses to the answers that Mr. Selldorff has posted, feel free to include them.

If, however, you want to babble back and forth about things unrelated to the topic, please find a more suitable place to do it.

>8^)
ER

ya we should but i think the guy Frank that started it quit or somthing i havent seen him around here latlly.... hmm i wonder where he went?

frank, is there a possability we might see one of your car's in any magazine? Or maybe make some kind of video with almost no voice over and a lot of in-car noise? (you may very much see this as a request ;))

ya we should but i think the guy Frank that started it quit or somthing i havent seen him around here latlly.... hmm i wonder where he went?

I'm still here. I just hadn't seen any questions directed at me for a while.

frank, is there a possability we might see one of your car's in any magazine? Or maybe make some kind of video with almost no voice over and a lot of in-car noise? (you may very much see this as a request ;))

an issue of ROUNDEL featured 007 last year (i forget which issue). I haven't taken any videos of my car(s) yet, but next year I'll probably do some, and you can be sure there'll be shared here.

Frank, have you done over 200mph in any of your McLarens, anywhere? ;)

Frank, have you done over 200mph in any of your McLarens, anywhere? ;)

No. the only time i tracked 007 was at NHIS, not suitable for high speed runs.

Mr Selldorf,
Do all your F1s have that 1st AID kit in the right side pod? And how do you find the security in the F1s and maintaining it? An owner once mentioned that the security expenses were rediculous.

-Mike :aus:

Frank,
compared to the roadcar, does the LM feel more "planted" due to the downforce being generated by the wing? Can you feel the difference?
Thanks!

Is there a huge difference in mid-speed and high-speed acceleration between the f1 and the LM? b/c of the fact that the LM has different gearing and is less aerodynamical..

Whats the insurance like on the F1's?


Thanks in advance

Mr Selldorf,
Do all your F1s have that 1st AID kit in the right side pod? And how do you find the security in the F1s and maintaining it? An owner once mentioned that the security expenses were rediculous.

-Mike :aus:

-I'm not sure about the first aid kits, i'll have to check.
-If by "security expense" you mean insurance, then I'd have to say that it isn't as bad as it could be. I'm sure most owners have a lot of things to insure and therefore can work with the underwriter to get a decent rate. I did. The repair and maintenance costs are not cheap, however the cars are very solid and not much has gone wrong.

Frank,
compared to the roadcar, does the LM feel more "planted" due to the downforce being generated by the wing? Can you feel the difference?
Thanks!

I haven't driven the LM enough yet, and certainly not at high enough speeds to answer this question thoroughly. At low speeds, the car definitely feels lighter, better balanced and quicker.

Is there a huge difference in mid-speed and high-speed acceleration between the f1 and the LM? b/c of the fact that the LM has different gearing and is less aerodynamical..

-unfortunately, due to limited seat time in the LM, I cannot do a decent comparison yet. next year, ask me again.

Whats the insurance like on the F1's?


Thanks in advance

the insurance company looks at them as part of your portfolio. they obviously don't have any actuarial data on these cars to go by, most have never heard of them. in my case, my agent negotiated a good rate (1$ per $100).

frank, do you maybe have the intention of expanding your already infamous collection with a beautiful Kandy Orange coloured XHDF Kit car with an LM engine? like eh, ohyeah, 073 which is being auctioned tomorrow in london....? Then your collection of cars would be second to none (keep in mind that nobody can equal the sultan's collection, he can only have what he has b/c of his status as a king and his billion's of oil money)

Mr. Selldorf:

i hate to be a pest, but perhaps ou missed a post of mine earlier on in the topic. here it is again:

i have got someone that says that he would really like to write an article about you and your cars.

his name is Drew Phillips. he is the webmaster for www.fast-autos.net and www.Dodge-Vipers.com. if you are interested, please send him an email.

stratoraptor, this is a thread for questions, not business opportunities


pm him for questions like that. don't hi-jack the thread

i dont want anything to get hostile here. i am not "hi-jacking" the thread. the question might seem like a business opprotunity to you, but its a question nonetheless. also this topic seems to be the best contact to Frank Selldorf.

honestly, i dont see why the question should bother you. you yourself have brought the thread off-course with a discussion of E30 M3 and Top Gear episodes. my question isnt going to distrupt the thread in anyway, so you can just relax.

here's something randomly off topic:

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................... .........
woooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo............... ...


and no, i'm not excited because i just rode in an F1......... I haven't even seen one in person, and probably won't. Unless Mr. Selldorff happens to be nearby if and when I pass by Massachusetts.

I have another simple question, if Mr. Selldorff is still around.

Have you ever burned rubber? Or (forgot the term) depressed the clutch in 1st gear and revving it about half way and letting go of the clutch for it to snap in for a rubber burning acceleration?

It might hurt the clutch a little, but it serves for quick accelerations.

Thanks.

frank, do you maybe have the intention of expanding your already infamous collection with a beautiful Kandy Orange coloured XHDF Kit car with an LM engine? like eh, ohyeah, 073 which is being auctioned tomorrow in london....? Then your collection of cars would be second to none (keep in mind that nobody can equal the sultan's collection, he can only have what he has b/c of his status as a king and his billion's of oil money)

I was on the phone during the auction and was prepared to bid if the car went too cheap. I think it was a bargain, but not so low that i could justify adding a fourth. also, i learned the engine was not completely LM spec, just a software upgrade (no cams..etc.) so it wouldn't be the same. plus the color (and wheels) look like crap in my opinion.

I know who bought it, it'll be coming to the states.

Mr. Selldorf:

i hate to be a pest, but perhaps ou missed a post of mine earlier on in the topic. here it is again:

i have got someone that says that he would really like to write an article about you and your cars.

his name is Drew Phillips. he is the webmaster for www.fast-autos.net and www.Dodge-Vipers.com. if you are interested, please send him an email.

have him PM me if he's serious.

I have another simple question, if Mr. Selldorff is still around.

Have you ever burned rubber? Or (forgot the term) depressed the clutch in 1st gear and revving it about half way and letting go of the clutch for it to snap in for a rubber burning acceleration?

It might hurt the clutch a little, but it serves for quick accelerations.

Thanks.

To get wheel spin in first gear, there's absolutely no need to drop the clutch. all you have to do it step on the gas pedal a little quicker than normal. as we discused previously, it is much harder to NOT get wheel spin in first than to keep the tires planted.

when giving rides, i usually demonstrate this briefly (in first, second and third gears). however, loosing grip prevents the car from acclerating as fast as possible. i find it much more impressive to demonstrate how quick the car is by going as fast as possible without losing traction. the acceleration is unbelievable. way more impressive than burning rubber.

the other issue with breaking lose is being careful not to over-rev the motor. as soon as the tires break loose, the eninge quickly hits the rev-limiter. especially in first gear.

sweet in peeling the F1. :smokin:

Hello,

I have another question for you Franck :
Do you know owners in France and Monaco ?

I ask you in case where you know something because it is hard to say "there is a McLaren F1 in France or not".
I have some ideas but never seen any pic with a french plate.

Thank you !
Philippe

Philippe,
there is at least one McLaren in Monaco. It's rarely driven, because the owner is in India most of the time. It's red.

Mais peut-etre, il y a des autres aussi.

thank you tvrfreak !

I wanted moreover tell you that your pics on your website are amazing ! Particularly Gumball Rally and McLaren factory.

So, I will give you informations which would be true :
1) at least one McLaren F1 in France / french plate ?
2) according to two persons, there are 4 McLaren F1 in Monaco ! Maybe someone know more ?
Maybe M66 RCL & R66MCL ?

Ciao
Philippe

PS : good french

Merci. I believe the McLaren you are referring to is no longer in France. It was a GTR that was supposedly bought by an American a couple of years ago for $900,000. I do not have more details.

The M66 and R66 plates were English, I believe.

I know that David Clark gave a friend of mine a demonstration ride in a McLaren in Monte Carlo. But whether any other McLarens are kept there besides the red one I mentioned earlier, I do not know. I would not be surprised if there were a few more in Monaco, though.

Wow, it's amazing that we have an F1 owner on this board.

But I have a question Frank, earlier you stated that you occasionally took passengers for rides in your F1, but I was wondering how you were able to do this if government laws don't allow F1 owners to keep those passenger seats in their cars? Doesn't Ameritech remove the seats?

Frank's F1s didn't enter the country under the same guise as the 7 or 8 Ameritech F1s. His cars are here under the Show & Display guidelines which allow the owner to bypass several of the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) and still remain legal. You can do a search on this forum, or on the web to find out more about S&D guidelines.

I can guarantee you that all of the Ameritech F1s still retain all three seats as well. "Removing them" was just a formality to get them through the process, and once they were in you can be certain that each car was returned to it's original configuration. Some have even speculated that all the Ameritech F1s were never fully converted to the hideous monstrosity that was pictured in Road&Track in the first place. I think the people who want to make a big deal out of that are just jealous losers who have nothing better to do with their time, but that's just my opinion. ;) :lol:

>8^)
ER

I know I may get banned for this, but I don't believe that this Frank guy is the "real" Frank guy.

You're not going to get banned for it... :screwy:

I can assure you, as well as at least three others who post here regularly, that this "Frank guy" is indeed the real Frank Selldorff.

>8^)
ER

Hello,

I don't understand why a newbie can suppose it ???

Ciao
Phil

i don't know this but i think there are at least a couple of F1's and i wonder how much F1 LM's are there in Monaco, France?

Hello,

Humm, Guyanson Mendiola (original login !), if informations are true, I would say no LM in Monaco but maybe GTR.

Goodbye
Philippe

http://homepage.mac.com/c000per/PhotoAlbum2.html :biggrin:

Love the color

Coop

Thats Kennedys car in those pictures

Thanks Jomo for the save . . .

Coop

Hello,

Humm, Guyanson Mendiola (original login !), if informations are true, I would say no LM in Monaco but maybe GTR.

Goodbye
Philippethanx, Phillippe and you do mean the GTR Longtail?

I know I may get banned for this, but I don't believe that this Frank guy is the "real" Frank guy.

I completely assure you that this is the real frank. I had the oppurtunity to work with Frank on the Turner Motorsport race team this past summer and can assure you that this is really him.

ps frank in case you missed my previous post, this is David, Ali's nephew

Hey, I've got a question for ya: I seem to have misplaced my McLaren. Can I have one of yours? Thanks.

I almost never post on these forums, but stumbled across this thread and have felt compelled to post.

Thank you so much Frank for coming on here and sharing a little of the joy and passion with us - I'm sure for us bona-fide petrolheads and worshippers of Murray's masterpiece, having an owner (of not just one car, but three!) on the board really is amazing.

I read with delight to see that your sharing extends beyond just merely anecdotes and answering questions from us brooding infants, but to actual rides in the car as well! I commend you highly for this.

It is unfortunate that you are not based in the UK, as I would have seriously travelled up the length of the country just to chance a possible five minute ride in the F1.

No questions as of yet, but thanks again for coming on here and confirming for us what we all knew - that the F1 is the best car in the world.

Cheers,
DeaDLocK

PS - but if I'm ever in MA... :D

Sorry to get all serious on ya all, but reality check time ... I just wondered if Frank felt at all guilty about spending millions of dollars on a few cars ?.

simple answer, there comes a point in life, when you have a lot of money. people say money can't buy happiness, but money can help you to have the life you want, with a McLaren F1, or two, in your garage.
If this is his dream (like it is mine) why would he feel guilty to realize it, life could end tomorrow, so realize every dream you can, today!

I wondered at the start of this thread if it would ever bridge this topic.

Personally, I don't think that people in Frank's position should ever have to offer any explanation for how they choose to spend their money. I'm certain he's worked very hard to get where he is in life and has every right to spend his wealth in any way that he chooses. Obviously owning the F1s makes him happy, and unlike some owners who spend the money only to let them sit an collect dust, he actually drives them.

I really don't see anything he'd need to feel guilty about. :confused:

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...and unlike some owners who spend the money only to let them sit an collect dust, he actually drives them.
He doesn't drive one of them :)
I really don't see anything he'd need to feel guilty about. :confused:
I'm not suggesting he should feel guilty .. I'm just asking a perfectly reasonable question which concerns if he does feel at all guilty about spending millions on a few vehicles :)

You're obviously not aware of something called third world poverty, so I wouldn't begin to suggest anything that may make such a person who spends millions on a couple of cars, feel guilty. Unfortunately we live in a very materialistic and greedy society these days :)

People have the right to do what they want with their money.