whats everyones thoughts on that DPS system?

never heard of anything like that before. i personally thought it was kind of an out there type of thing. anyone have it? if so, does it help out any? just curious.

It sounds good...as do a lot of things. They said they tested vehicles but I did not see any actual numbers though. It is definetly interesting... :dunno: if I want it...

Please see the Japanese magazine articles featuring DPS for 3rd party dyno information.

I am extremely skeptical of this product. It seems to me to be one of those wonder product cure alls about like the late night Paid Program car polish that makes huge key marks in a car hood disapear before your eyes. The magazine articles aren't very much help in making it seem more believable to me either... all I saw was a small section of symbols circled and translated into some HP figures. Also, the money back thing is a little questionable to me as well. You only have 7 days from time of purchase to decide if you are going to send it back. How long does it take for the product to get to you? Then how long would it take for you to get it back to them? There goes your 7 days... I have a feeling I might get in trouble for posting this but the question was asked and these are my thoughts.

Thanks for your honest opinion.

Let me address your points:
1. The magazine reviews will be translated in English, not to mention there will be magazine reviews of the DPS in the United States relatively soon.
2. The money back guarantee's 7 day term starts from when you receive the product and ends 7 days after you possess it; basically, the shipping times are not included.

I see... I will be interested to see the translations as I am sure others will be as well. And also, you may want to address that clarification of the money back policy a little bit. I kind of doubt I am the only one who thought what I previously posted was the case. That might help a little bit to know what you just said.

Yep - the money back text has been clarified.

Igor, I am going to be honest with my thoughts. Yes it seems interging, but I am also a bit skeptical. I am not saying I don't beleive the product works, and I am not saying I beleive it does. I am saying I am skeptical about the whole thing truthfully due to lack of knowledge about the whole thing. As a result, I feel I should reserve judgement until I find out further infromation. I am very interested in seeing the US magazine articles and reviews about this product. I am sure that once they are out there, the reviews will answer my, and others questions. Please keep us posted on when it makes it into a magazine review, as I am intersted in seeing how it performs for them. I hope my thoughts on this didn't upset you. If they did I am sorry.

If it seems intriguing, then you have nothing to lose by trying it out; remember, there is a 100% money back guarantee, including shipping both ways. By buying the DPS, you can only gain by knowing what it feels like and how it performs on your car. Don't like it? Ship it back! :)

Just throwing this out there but would the DPS be willing to extend the money back guarantee time period. I mean I share the same skepticism as the others who have posted- and if I do decide to buy it I know that I will not have the time to install it the same day I get it- trully test drive it or maybe dyno it, but probably not- take it off if I don't like it- then send it back. I am busy now and it will only get worse when I start school again and as business picks up at my new job. I just want the time to actually properly test it you know. I don't know if what I suggested is possible though.

I am interested though... so thats a start... :icon16:

What period of test time would you consider as reasonable?
2 weeks? 3?

30 days
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:iagree: 30 days would be the best for me

sounds pretty fair to me too

Ok, I missed something. What's a DPS system?

Ok, I missed something. What's a DPS system?


http://www.automotiveforums.com/dps.php

:iagree: 30 days would be the best for me

Yea, 30 days sounds fair to me too.

I went ahead and bought one. I was very skeptical, but I figured with a money back guarantee what did I have to loose? I got mine about 2 weeks ago. I have a 95 Talon AWD Turbo 5sp. It only took 5 mins to install and I noticed instant results. My turbo spooled quicker, the engine ran smoother, and my wife liked it so much I had to buy her one. I don't know really how it works, but I do know it works!

i understand why your engine might run smoother, due to better ignition.

but why would a turbo spool up quicker? the DPS doesn't make any direct effect/contact on the turbo system itself does it? :screwy:

I have no idea how the thing works. All I know is I hit full boost about 300 rpm sooner after installing the DPS. That alone is worth it for me.

300 or 3000?

300 is a barely noticable improvement...

It is 300 and it is very noticable. If it were 3000 I would be at full boost before I even started to move. before I installed the DPS I could hit full boost at 3200 RPM now I hit full boost at 2900 RPM. SiGNAL748 you do not drive a turbo car am I correct? Since you drive a 96 Prelude VTEC lets put it this way. When your VTEC kicks in you can feel your car pull harder right? Well if the VTEC kicked in quicker even just a little bit quicker you would notice it. I am not saying that the DPS has any effect on VTEC, but if it did you would notice it.

So you really noticed an improvment with this thing? Exactly how easy was it to install? Just a few wires here and there? I saw the knock off product for sale in an ad the other day. I personally hate knock off's (they undermine the actaul inventor of the product), so I took quick notice. Sure enough, as the DPS system info on here said, the knock off's lack the 3rd wire (which K & G Racing's write up said was due to the international patent they have on their design). I doub't the knock-off does much, due to the lack of a 3rd wire and slightly different design. I am interested, however, to hear more about your DPS experience. So it took 2 weeks from date of order to receive it?


It did not take 2 weeks to receive it. I got it about 2 weeks ago. It took about 5 days after I ordered and it was here. The hook up is very easy it is 3 wires. takes about 5 mins at the most. Before I hooked it up I drove my car a little hard then parked hooked it up went back out and drove hard again. when I went back out I noticed the changes. I did it like that so I would know how my car was before and after. My wife drove the car and she liked enough to buy one for her car as well.

i could always get a vtec controller, or chip my ecu to hit my vtec 300rpm's sooner.

what i'm after is...will my vtec hit harder?

I have no idea about honda's. With a money back guarantee you can try it and find out! I know with my car I seen an instant improvement.

Guys/Gals

Do not buy this, this is a ripoff, please read and view the attached thread and please post your opinion once you see whats inside this piece of junk. Pictures of the inside are enclosed.



http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51032&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Here is a pic of the inside, you be the judge!
You have to go to my photo gallery, I am not sure how to upload photos!

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/113951mvc-030f-med.jpg

here is the pic

read this post http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51032&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
Igor's quote "After getting off the phone a moment ago, I can officially say that the DPS sales in North America have been frozen and everyone who has already purchased a unit will be notified of the truth behind this product along with a full refund including shipping charges"

350z6spd & Areku_x, I am not sure who you guys are, but thank Jessie over at MY350Z for exposing this p.o.s. rip-off for what it really is.

350z6spd & Areku_x, I am not sure who you guys are, but thank Jessie over at MY350Z for exposing this p.o.s. rip-off for what it really is.

Jesse lives down the street from me, he tested it on both his car and mine.

Just thought I would pass it onto you guys. Okay, I am going back over to my other forum, my350z.com,

Regards,

Charles

AKA: zand02max

Jesse lives down the street from me, he tested it on both his car and mine.

Just thought I would pass it onto you guys. Okay, I am going back over to my other forum, my350z.com,

Regards,

Charles

AKA: zand02max

Much Thanks to the both of you. I'll keep an eye out for you over in that forum when I am borwsing the site.

Yeah jessie really did a good job on this scam, all thanks to him.

Yeah jessie really did a good job on this scam, all thanks to him.

Yea, he really exposed this and figured it out quickly. Did you see his website about it, and his crusade to expose the scam? It's a good site.

http://dps_is_a_scam.tripod.com/index.htm

Happy to do what I can.

Happy to do what I can.

Jesse, yea, cool site man. I definately give you mad props for it. :bigthumb: After reading and checking out your site, I got to to thinking. You said on it, if we could all try to let everyone in the forums we go to know that the DPS is a scam then hopefully no one else will get scamed by it. This got me thinking....I know Import Tuner and Sport Compact Car have sections where they post websites they feel are "must see sites." I think your site qualifies. I know Automotive Forums here was in the section in the mags a while ago. Maybe you could submit your site to the mags for tha section. If they printed it which I would think they would consider, especially since it's relavent, it would really help you expose the scam to a lot more people than might realize it otherwise. It also would help people be aware and on the look-out for other scams. I know sun-auto systems has a similar looking "system" to the DPS, but with 2 wires into a box vs 3, options auto salon sells it. I am guessing it may well be like the DPS on the inside, which is to say a useless joke. It looks very simliar on the outer half. I mentioned my mag idea in your trend on MY350Z.COM too.

sure glad i didn't buy the pofs :biggrin:

eckoman_pdx

Yeah I responded to your post on the other thread, unfortunately, I don't read those magazines or have any idea where I would submit that kind of information.

Regarding stopping sales. We've already stopped it in the US, now the question is, is it worth the hassle to stop this scam in Japan also? I'm not really into the import tuner scene, and wouldn't even know where to start looking for something like that.

I think that DPS has duped a lot of people. Hopefully most of those people will be able to get refunds, but I doubt DPS is going out of their way to let anyone, who already purchased one, know about their scam.

If you've got any ideas as to how I would go about getting the info to the tuners in Japan, I'm all ears, otherwise, I don't have a clue.

eckoman_pdx

Yeah I responded to your post on the other thread, unfortunately, I don't read those magazines or have any idea where I would submit that kind of information.

Regarding stopping sales. We've already stopped it in the US, now the question is, is it worth the hassle to stop this scam in Japan also? I'm not really into the import tuner scene, and wouldn't even know where to start looking for something like that.

I think that DPS has duped a lot of people. Hopefully most of those people will be able to get refunds, but I doubt DPS is going out of their way to let anyone, who already purchased one, know about their scam.

If you've got any ideas as to how I would go about getting the info to the tuners in Japan, I'm all ears, otherwise, I don't have a clue.

I don't really read import tuner either, though I do read Sport Compact Car. I've read it a few times though, but no a whole lot. I can send in your site to see if Sport Compact Car or they will publish it, if you want me to. As for Japan, hmm, I think it's worth the hassle. It's not fair for anyone to get scammed or duped by this, regardless or where you are from. I know Turbo Magazine does a tour of Japan yearly, and has a trip where readers can go to the Toyko Auto Salon. They might have some contacts in the japanese media (magazines or a reputable shop) or something we could help us. We'd probably have to call up a turbo editor and explain the DPS scam to them first, to see if they know anyone. Or.....if you know of a Japanese magazine. You could see if a College prop whp teachs japanese could write a letter in japanese explaining what the DPS is and how you came about it, etc, get a spare DPS (like Igor's, he kept his), tear it apart, and them mail the whole thing to them, letter (written in japanese), etc. The prop would be right in front of them. I'm sure it'd catch their attention. Oh, theres that one guy on MY350Z.com, the guy who is the Driver of the JIC Magic Drift car. He's made several posts in the thread about the ATI Supercharger. He's from Japan, and seems to have quite a few contacts over there and know quite a few people (he drives the JIC Magic drift car, so this would make sense). I bet he'd know someone who could could help us there, or someone there we could tell that could inform the people and stop the scam there, maybe a magazine contact. I'm sure he knows a few. I'm sure if he wanted top, he could help us figure out a way to stop this scam in Japan as well. I have one other idea, on who might have a mag contact or something over there, i'll check into that.

Are you guys seriuos. I was actually interested in buying this thing and was caught up in the "Everything else is am imitation and THIS is the real thing blah...blah...blah..." I feel that my trust has been violated... I'm gonna go hit something...or someone :mad: :shakehead Hope we get some sort of explanation from someone about this.

Are you guys seriuos. I was actually interested in buying this thing and was caught up in the "Everything else is am imitation and THIS is the real thing blah...blah...blah..." I feel that my trust has been violated... I'm gonna go hit something...or someone :mad: :shakehead Hope we get some sort of explanation from someone about this.

We are not joking, it is serious. The DPS was a rippoff, a scam. It was 2 wires connected to a 20 amp fuse. A 3rd wire connected to the other 2. The box was eponyed all tight, and had aluminuim fiol preventing x-rays, etc, to make a long sotry short. K & G obviously didn't want people to know what was inside. Anyways, this is why is DPS is not for sale anymore and why you see nothing on it. Jessie tested the unit for igor to see if it really did anything. Jessie got it free to test, and he tested it on his and Charles car. Jessie's 350Z and the other one already had ground kits, and it did nothing. No voltige change, performance change. No change anywhere. So jessie said screw it, and took it apart. Took him abit cuz of all the layers and glue, etc...anyways, and what he found inside was described above, and the pic is on a previous page. Anyways, so Jessie told Igor, Jessie, Charles and the others who kew started warning people, and Igor stopped selling it. Supposedly, as of now, all DPS sales in the USA have been haulted. Thank Jessie for figuring it out.

We are not joking, it is serious. The DPS was a rippoff, a scam. It was 2 wires connected to a 20 amp fuse. A 3rd wire connected to the other 2. The box was eponyed all tight, and had aluminuim fiol preventing x-rays, etc, to make a long sotry short. K & G obviously didn't want people to know what was inside. Anyways, this is why is DPS is not for sale anymore and why you see nothing on it. Jessie tested the unit for igor to see if it really did anything. Jessie got it free to test, and he tested it on his and Charles car. Jessie's 350Z and the other one already had ground kits, and it did nothing. No voltige change, performance change. No change anywhere. So jessie said screw it, and took it apart. Took him abit cuz of all the layers and glue, etc...anyways, and what he found inside was described above, and the pic is on a previous page. Anyways, so Jessie told Igor, Jessie, Charles and the others who kew started warning people, and Igor stopped selling it. Supposedly, as of now, all DPS sales in the USA have been haulted. Thank Jessie for figuring it out.
this makes me want to destroy something. im sick and tired of people coming out with these "products" that are really JUNK...this starts with stuff as little as companies and individuals advertising cold air intakes as raising HP like 15 - 20. its a shame that some of those who supposedly represent automotive forums also represent this DPS bullshit. thanks so much once again jesse and eckoman for your posts...informing yourselves and informing others. lets all wave those bullshit flags high...

What are you pissed at AF for?
It was indeed my fault for not being more careful and opening up the box myself even before promoting it, but as soon as I found out what the DPS really is I managed to stop all sales in the United States and everyone who purchased one is getting a full refund. I am sure the wave will reach Japan and the manufacturer of the DPS will get what it deserves.

What are you pissed at AF for?
It was indeed my fault for not being more careful and opening up the box myself even before promoting it, but as soon as I found out what the DPS really is I managed to stop all sales in the United States and everyone who purchased one is getting a full refund. I am sure the wave will reach Japan and the manufacturer of the DPS will get what it deserves.
i am not in any way what-so-ever pissed at automotive forums. it is the best, most iinformative automotive site on the internet...PERIOD. it is a great way to weed out products that suck: like the DPS system.

i said that it is a shame that those who represent products like DPS also represent AF. dont take this as a personal insult. im not demeaning your character. all that i am saying is that when i logged on to AF one day to see a thread titled DPS system at the top of a bunch of forums, i had to roll my eyes...like i said before: it seemed like nothing more than the comments ebay sellers make about their generic cai's producing 20+ extra HP. same thing as those infomercials promoting "Eat candy and cake and still lose 100lbs in 3 days." tuning any car takes time, money and dedication. not a magical box.

im not trying to rub this in but rather just explaining myself. hope it makes sense. i appreciate you taking the initiative in admitting your fault in promoting this item and helping to eliminate sales/getting refunds for people.

Yeah pheurton-skeurto I feel your pain. But thats the way things work...doesn't make it right or excusable...but thats just the way people advertise its like a "Shock and Awe"<as if you haven't heard this stupid qoute enough> type of advertising thats how they capture the suckers and people looking for a quality product. Funny that if they actually put the same amount of work into the damn DPS thing that they did trying to scam people, they would have a great product and be able to actual keep there earnings instead of refunding them. I will never understand dishonesty...never. :mad:

very well put.

I will never understand dishonesty...never. :mad:

:iagree: :werd:

the K&G product is a fake item!!!

http://www.kuwano-jp.com/

That product is also a K & G Racings DPS, it's just their "new" re-designed and re-marketed version of this piece. It's still K & G, the same stuff.

K&G had recently sent us some of their 'new and redesigned' samples. We took them apart and the insides were the same as before. I will see if we can dig up some photos.

the DPS is a SCAM.