I have heard what people DO like about the Import scene and what it has become, what about what you don't like. Everything I listed on the poll I dislike about it the whole thing. Don't get me wrong though i still love it! Hey and if I missed something that rubs you the wrong way about the scene, gripe in the thread. Thats why I made it!

I would have to say everyone of those except the bottom one disagrees with me. Because one, I hate fart pipes, and two I like muscle cars. But the rest really get under my skin.

cocky sons of bitches. heres to you baby...:flamer: :cry:

:finger: :finger: What the hell does that that mean?? I should add sicklude to things that piss me off .:flipa: :flipa:

I'm dissapointed in the general lack of knowledge among them. Not that they have to know anything, its just that there are lots of people there who claim to know what they're talking about, but are full of shit.

Yea thats the truth!

How about none of the choices.... what I hate are those huge exhausts on the little 4 bangers, what's the point of having a 4" tip when you can clearly see the 2" pipe going into the muffler. I also hate all the damn stickers, I mean who is that really for? Do you want to advertise? Finally I hate all the cars that get the body kits and what not to be unique but they all end up looking the same. There is very little originality out there. Same body kits, the color yellow, and half-assing every mod because the real deal is too expensive.

And the kids that have the decked out cars that are ALWAYS out for a race. Gotta go to the store to pick up some milk... might as well race. They usually end up trying to find out which one can hit that telephone up there first.

I dunno, i hate all that stuff. I dont have much a problem with domestics trying to be imports (hell, i drive a cavalier, think i can hang with the hardcore domestics?! lol). But, im entirely anti-racism, so the "Asian" scene thing is f***d up to me. Rice is messed up, if im gonna put a big advertisement banner on my car, i wanna be paid for it. On that same note, why have stickers for all of your mods on your car? You can just add up all the mods to the cars performance and do the race with pen and paper pretty much :p You gotta keep some things a suprise.

Of it all though, two things i hate
1. People that get pissed about a race.
2. People who race in areas that PUT OTHER PEOPLE IN DANGER DAMMIT!!!!!

ok, thats enough from me, bye now

Here is one thing that pisses me off.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t14376.html

My high school was about 70 percent asian so there was always way to many POS rice burners around and i got soooo much shit from people for my 86 camaro that to this day i would have to say that im a lil biased towards imports although i do respect the occasionally well built 300zx, supra tt or rx-7 here in the states

man i hate ricers! i dont mind people makin their cars look nice, ie grilles etc. but why put a wing on if you dont go fast enough to need it. why put stickers of mods or engines you dont even have? it makes no sense. even if you do have nos why advertise? havent they ever heard of sleepers? fooling your opponent? man one of the dumbest things ive ever seen on a car was at highschool 2 months ago. the guy has a stock civic(pretty much) with a wing that sticks up a foot in the air and a pipe. i could stand this, until one day he decided to put on a 4" tip! the pipe came out flush to the back bumper. so the tip sorta just hung there, literally. it didnt even come out straight! o well someone musta told him cause he took it off the next day! well thats enough outta me

I don't get it either.

I hate seeing little four bangers all dressed up with no mods. It's like compensation for something.

This is where I like muscle cars (55'-74'). The exterior works, and the engine works. The only problem is that muscle cars have nasty out of date interiors. Yucky!

The imports work when they are actually sports cars. I still don't understanding moding an altima or an accord. Help me here. And why even bother with a Civic. Is it the weight? It's like saying you're gonna mod a honda scouter to race a ninja. I'm bloody confused.

Tweak

People mod 4 bangers coz theyre affordable enough to let the average everyday joe ricer to go out and have some fun.......with other 4 bangers....this is also why the teens are usually the ones with the 4 bangers, cash straps.

im sure theyd all have 8 or 10 "bangers" if they could afford it

You can squeeze a lot of power out of a 4 banger if you do it right, maybe not as much as other engines, but its still good for what ya got.

Rice, however, ISNT performance, so thats a whole different thing.

I'd have to say the first and last are about equal, although I do like domestic muscle cars.. Just cant stand poor cops...

BTW, nice Ride Polygon! About an 88-89 ish? Are you 2.2 or 2.5?

Hey max, what do you mean by first and last?

Yeah, polygon, your car does kick ass

Also, I'd have to argue the 4-bangers comments. You can make good horsepower from them, bery comperable to the v-8's actually. I'l give you some specs that I do know.. Stock 87 Corvette.. 198 HP. Stock 87 Shelby-Z Daytona... 174 hp. They do run very close in the quarter. I ran my cousin's 86 Vette in my 90 ES turbo when I got it, and they both run about even.

I do enjoy the torque gains of a v-8 though. I'm actually looking to mod a late 30's sedan delivery for a nice highway hauler. I figure a twin turbo 318(I'm a tech fan, gotta have turbos!)

" There's no replacement for displacement... Except technology."

Nismo, sorry man.. I meant the 1st comment: More stickers than power, and the last: Bull from police. i think the only stickers on my whole car are the one supporting my part time job for Music Box and the factory Turbo decal on the hood buldge, the last will come of when the car is repainted this spring...hehehe

no reason to be sorry man, i realized what you meant after i posted, long day at work is gettin to me, lol.

Yeah, gotta love that v8 torque. Hmm, i guess modding 4bangers is like other hobbies out there, or people wanna go for the underdog or something. I like 6bangers....lol....coz all of my favorite cars are 6bangers, so, looks like im taking the middle road as usual

LOL!! Well, my choice in rides isn't exactly the road most traveled... How many Modded Dodge Daytonas do you see these days.... Besides, the greatest performance car ever ws a 6 cyl... Can I get props to the Nissan 300 zx TT???!!!!! Man, I'd give my leftie for one of those things!! I had a Twin Turbo stealth and got wasted by one.

I had specified a specific period of time in my post 50'-74'. These were the cars that would come off the line with 250+ hp stock.

Concerning the money issue, here's my confusion there:

* you can buy a used muscle car for between $500-10k

Now, most cars coming off the line after 74' saw a significant drop in hp. Was this due to new emission standards? Help me here.

I guess I can see the challenge in upgrading a 4. I'm still confused why you would want to. I can see doing a 6. Maybe dumping a 6 into a car that came stock with a 4 would make sense. But why drop 3k+ for a turbo on a 4 when you can do it to a 6?

Thoughts?

Tweak

tweak- muscle car ratings in the mid 70's dropped off for a few reasons. emissions requirements came into effect, so the quickest way for manufacturers to lower emissions was to put in a mild cam, and drop the average comp ratio from about 10:1 to 8:1. insurance companies started really cracking down on musclecar owners due to the power to weight ratios (Yenko Chevrolet offered chevy's featherweight Nova with a 500 horsepower 427 for a limited time), so manufacturers rated horsepower from the rear wheel rather than from the crank as before. the gas crisis of the mid 70's put an end to musclecars with their poor gas mileage. some would say that the last year for muscle cars was 1971-72 because by '73 they need to be in compliance with the new laws for emissions etc..., so '72 was largely a carry over year.

to put it in perspective- in 1970, the top dog was the LS-6 Chevelle with the 450HP 500lb/ft. 454 in it. 11.25:1 compression ratiostock. it could be pushed to well beyond 500HP with simple tuning on a completely stock motor. in 1973, the top chevelle was the LS-4 chevelle with a 245HP 375lb/ft, 8.5:1 compression 454.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Now, if muscle cars from the 60's weighted what today's cars weight, can you imagine?

Tweak

that I was the only one to vote for domestics trying too hard to be imports. I don't know about you guys, but nothing pisses me off more than seeing some damn chevy cavalier with a fucking coffee can sticking out the back of it. I just feel like saying "give it up, your domestic piece of shit would never be able to hang with a civic SI, coffee can or no coffee can!!!" sheesh. :rolleyes:

I cannot believe you're comparing a muscle car to a civic.

Tweak

Wait, you said Cavalier. That is a piece of shit.

But please, not all domestic cars are crap. And honestly, Civics are crap stock.

Tweak

Originally posted by tweaker76
I cannot believe you're comparing a muscle car to a civic.

Tweak
I can't believe you just called a chevy cavalier a muscle car. What cheap sorry excuse for crack are you on!?!?!?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by street_racer_00

I can't believe you just called a chevy cavalier a muscle car. What cheap sorry excuse for crack are you on!?!?!?:rolleyes:
disregard this. But I didn't say ALL domestic cars are crap. Personally I like mustang GT's. I was just citing a particular example of a domestic trying to be something it wasn't

Nah. Cavalier's are crap.

But take a nice Dodge Viper modify it and race it against a modified Civic and see who wins.

Tweak

Originally posted by tweaker76
Nah. Cavalier's are crap.

But take a nice Dodge Viper modify it and race it against a modified Civic and see who wins.

Tweak
That comparision is absolutely ludacrious. I could get 6 honda civics for the price of a dodge viper.

Who said life is fair?

When you go and race, you have no clue who you're gonna end up running against. There is no reason why someone wouldn't show up with a Ferrari or a modified muscle car. These folks want to race. They don't care that they spent 5 or more times what you paid for your car. They just want to win. Period.

If you can get a car to out perform one that cost 5 times more after you modified yours, fantastic. Great! We'd love to hear about it.

But all that matters is that you win, not how much you spend. The same goes for sports and race cars. Everyone doesn't have the same budget or resources.

The same thing goes at work. Two folks will be given a job. It doesn't matter that one person spent 5 times what the other did on their education. All that matters is who does the job better. That's reality.

Tweak

im with tweak on this one!
by the way street racer 00 cavaliers are crap. but i do hate domestics trying to be imports. but when i say that, i mean a guy with like a muscle car and momo wings, etc.

who in the right mind with a dodge viper V-10 would pick on an econobox to race? Obvioously someone with a very small penis that doesn't have the balls to race a car in the same category, say, a ferarri 360 modena. You seemed to have missed the point. Racing isn't about the cars, it's about the drivers.

I was talkin to this kid today who really pissed me off. He had a Eclipse GST with a nice Blitz front bumber on it, so i thought. He said, yea I got the front from VIZ for a good price... I was like WTF!!! What pissed me off was is that he had a Blitz sticker on the front of the car!! Damn VIZ for copying in the first place, but why the hell fake it and put a blitz sticker on your car to make people think you bought the real thing. After I looked closely I could tell the kit was crap anyway. Oh and about VIZ, anyone see that PLASTIC FAKE INTERCOOLER that they sell, what the fuck is that, and dont get me started on that fake BOV sound maker for NA cars, someties I think this shit gets outa hand

Oh and about the muscle cars, sure you can buy the car cheap, but in the long run you will pay for the gas man. You cant tell me I pay more for gas in a year in my miata that the dude next to me in the WS6. Face it, Japanese cars makers are better becuase they are more efficiant (I think I spelled that wrong) I mean look at the S2000, over 100hp per liter, show an american car that is even close to that. I'm gonna love it when my Miata can kill "that dude in the WS6". And I'll laugh as I drive by him at the local gas station. Dont get me wrong though, I like some V8s, but they just not my thing.

Oh also about the Cavalier thing, I think the worst is when I see a Saturn trying too hard man, thats gotta suck. I mean I would lay low as it is driving a saturn, let alone try to get attention in one!

Originally posted by NB8CT


Oh and about the muscle cars, sure you can buy the car cheap, but in the long run you will pay for the gas man. You cant tell me I pay more for gas in a year in my miata that the dude next to me in the WS6. Face it, Japanese cars makers are better becuase they are more efficiant (I think I spelled that wrong) I mean look at the S2000, over 100hp per liter, show an american car that is even close to that. I'm gonna love it when my Miata can kill "that dude in the WS6". And I'll laugh as I drive by him at the local gas station.

Oh also about the Cavalier thing, I think the worst is when I see a Saturn trying too hard man, thats gotta suck. I mean I would lay low as it is driving a saturn, let alone try to get attention in one!

that's "efficient", and how do you plan to kill a grizzly bear with a fly swatter, so to speak? :confused:

lets see.... T3/T04e turbo @ 12-15psi on a tubular manifold, 2.5" i/c piping, TiAl external wastegate, 3" piping turbo back, HKS SSBOV, and a Electrimotive TECII programable ECU. It should be good for about 275~285 rwhp from what I have read. Not to menton that I only weigh in at about 2200 lbs... Check out me sites below for my progress so far.

Don't get me wrong. I like what you did to your Miata. I just don't think gas mileage is an issue if your only racing 1/4 mile.

But I do think you should purchase for intended use. And I don't think domestics are bad. Nor do I think Japanese cars are better then German cars.

Tweak

This is my only car, so it is my daily driver, so yea fuel economy does matter. I just wana be able to haul when I want. Yea I heard from somwhere Germans make good cars, i wont belive it till I see it though:D :D

Originally posted by NB8CT
This is my only car, so it is my daily driver, so yea fuel economy does matter. I just wana be able to haul when I want. Yea I heard from somwhere Germans make good cars, i wont belive it till I see it though:D :D
my dad had a '90 MBZ 560 SEL, and that thing was friggen sweet! Fast as hell and comfortable as hell, too!

Man Germans make the best cars... just look at how many VW's you see going around!


Mercedes
Volkswagen
Porsche
Audi
BMW
Daimler (now partner w/ Chrysler)

All badass mofos

Originally posted by AlexB

Mercedes
Volkswagen
Porsche
Audi
BMW
Daimler (now partner w/ Chrysler)

All badass mofos

ahhhh, I whooped an Audi TT who tried to get tough on the freeway with me once. And me and a golf GTI VR6 had a pretty good race, too, but I ended up winning, barely.

just to toss it out there, since some are talking about miatas spanking musclecars, it's not horsepower that wins a race. it's torque. horsepower is a result of torque. HP=how fast you go
Torque=how fast you get there
Also, you need to factor in what rpm range your powerband is in. a musclecar builds it's power in the low rpm (1500-5500) range, and keeps it through the rpms without being too peaky. 4 cyl. cars need to compensate in revs in order to build power. they build power in the high rpms (6000+), which is not optimal for street racing because the resulting powerband is comparatively short and peaky. they also don't build near as much torque (which is what really matters on the street, right?).

Anyways, both cars were built with different purposes in mind, so please don't compare a FWD 4-cyl built with economy in mind to a RWD V8 built with straight line performance in mind.

Yeah, lets all take a big shit on the cavalier coz im posting in this thread :flipa:

I dunno, whenever people think domestics, they think old muscle cars, never the new domestics, which leads me to my "It doesnt matter where the hell a car came from, a cars a car" idea. Neons, Cavaliers, other SPORT COMPACTS are all domestic, but they arent muscle cars, but muscle cars arent the domestic style when it comes to auto manufacturing. I dont see any chevelles rolling off of the assembly line, this whole domestic vs. import shit is crap, it should be muscle vs. sport compact, and not care about where a car comes from.

Well, ricing out a domestic is gay, and i want a 300zx with all six cyllis of fury! so.......*takes a big shit on the cavalier*

I dunno, i like sport compacts, better style, smaller, more manueverable, more practical, better gas mileage, etc. I wouldnt take a 4banger though, and hell no to turboing it.

Hmm the Subaru WRX is a 4banger....so they arent ALL that bad...

oh yeah, and id like to give a big HELL YES! to FasterThanU for saying everything i wanted to say.......only twenty times better....

"HP sells products, torque wins races" <---isnt that someones sig on this board? Hope ya dont mind me postin it....

Hmmm so if I got a diesel car with 300lbs torque but only 150hp... what's that mean?

Originally posted by fastrThanU
Anyways, both cars were built with different purposes in mind, so please don't compare a FWD 4-cyl built with economy in mind to a RWD V8 built with straight line performance in mind.

Not sure if you are talking about the Miata or not, but it is RWD not FWD. And about the power, I will be making max boost at ~3K and max torque at ~4.2k.

why would you say how good german cars are and use vw as an example, why not use porsche?

sorry i didn't seem clear in my thread NB8CT, i was mainly speaking generally about hopped up 4 cyls, not specifically.

bye the way, just out of curiosity, how much HP & TQ will you be putting out when you're done? have you run any 1/4 times yet?

Originally posted by fastrThanU
sorry i didn't seem clear in my thread NB8CT, i was mainly speaking generally about hopped up 4 cyls, not specifically.

bye the way, just out of curiosity, how much HP & TQ will you be putting out when you're done? have you run any 1/4 times yet?

Its ok man, i just wanted to specify. I am amazed at how many people dont know that the miata is not fwd. Currently, I am still w/o turbo. Mainly becuase this is my daily driver and I dont want to drive in a Chicago winter with a light rwd turbo car; not fun. Right now I have the TECII in and still kinda low on the learning curve but making progress. The turbo will go in late spring if all goes good. I had a minor set back in my money due to my first accident in my dads Impreza :http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1802325&a=14014409&p=56613664&Sequence=0&res=high
I had to pay the $500 deductable. But when all is up and running, and the car is dialed in right, I hope to hit ~280rwhp and ~245lb/ft at about 12~14 psi.

That means you win!!!!!!!

no, im just kidding. It wasnt my qoute. Just mentioning it.

Yeah, both parts, HP and torque, have to coincide equally for an all around great vehicle. Everyone knows, well, SHOULD know, that.

Errrrrrr......that above post was to a comment by AlexB on one of my posts.......

But, about the miatas, gotta love em, everyone around here thinks theyre real chick cars, but then again, down here anything that ISNT a mustang or an IROC is a chick car

sounds like a nice ride, man.

fastrThanU-
i noticed something interesting, you have in your signature that your car has 400hp and ran a 11.67 right. I am wondering how much your car weights? I say this cuz there is a miata that has 400rwhp and ran a 10.98 @ 122mph. It weighs under 2200 lbs IIRC. Just would like to know your cars weight for a comparation since you have the same hp.

Ok, this is kinda late., but NBBCT, I can show you an american car with that. Dodge Daytona/ Spirit R/T. 2.2 liters, and 224 hp. Pretty close eh?
But I do have to agree about the gas mileage. I guess it all depends what you like . The horsepower numbers can be equal, nut the v-8 will win for torque. But the import gets better mieage, but the v-8 has a better sound.... In my opinion, they are both equal. where one shines, the other doesnt. They are both very competitive against each other. A

Also, I have to disagree with the import wanna be thing. You get some good suspension kits(imported from japan or japan inspired) and that late model Camaro/Trans Am/ Mustang will handle MUCH better. Also, a nice set of 17" rims looks GREAT on the new Z-28!

NB8CT- i'm not sure exactly how much the chevelle weighs in its state right now. i've found stats for SS chevelles, but they were heavier by a couple hundred pounds due to the big block motor, and heavier components that came with the SS package. also, i have done some lightening to the car itself, but still retain a reasonably stock appearance. some pieces were replaced by aluminum or other strong lighweight materials, and the restoration sheetmetal, bumpers etc... are noticably thinner in gauge than OEM. also, just so you know, the 400HP rating is on the conservative side. there are a bunch of mods to the internals that have not been listed in the buildup on the motor (piston coating, rockers, rods, lifters, extrude honing.....)

But the 11.67 that you post is a current e/t?

yeah, the 11.67 is current best time.

Originally posted by AlexB
Hmmm so if I got a diesel car with 300lbs torque but only 150hp... what's that mean?

You would have a lot of pulling power, but don't plan on racing it.

Another late post.. A little to clear the air. I confirmed this with our local speed shops this morning(I live in rural wisconsin, so none believe imports can be fast..lol). Torque is what pulls you off the line and gets the vehicle moving. That's why a v-8 will always be faster off the line.HP takes over when the torque curve drops off, typically after 3500 rpm or less. Notice, most v-8' make max torque @ about 3200 rpm. HP is what gives you the rest. that's why high revving 4 cyls can be competitive against them. Where the v-8 drops off, the 4 cyl is just begining. So, back to my original argument, it's all a matter of preference.

stickas all over yo ride are so you get paid contingency posts in a sanctined rizace. i must admit some peeps have gone a bit overboard so that you may wonder how they can see out their windoes, but shit, if they be makin' dough i ain't gone talk shiz. import racing covers all kinds of races, asian, white, black, hispanic. some groups may be bigger than othuhs but shit, one world is enuf for all of us ('cept da tal-ee-ban). NHRA is givin all us racers a chance to make our own $dough$ check it. www.nhraimport.com. they are soon changing the name to nhrasportcompact to make it suitable fo' all domestics, also. see ya at da track!

That sounds great I will have to attend/participate!

I don't see what's so hot about imports anyway! They can have their
stinkin low boy honda's and keep their acura RSX in the garage. Celica's, don't even get me started.

I've beat just about all of the above (the ones i haven't, i haven't raced)
in my 1982 Pontiac Parisienne STOCK. (That's a Catalina if that helps
at all).

Why sink 60grand or more into a civic when you can get a vette for
the same price and leave them eatin your ass anyway?

The whole rice scene makes me sick, and spending Daddy's money
on a car that you don't know how to drive makes me vomit out the
window all over my paint job! I mean, work for your car and THEN
talk it up, don't just cruise around and act like you're all that!

Honestly i can't figure it out. Vette, Viper, Camaro, Trans AM are
the only way to go.



In conclusion, if you want to stay domestic but want something different
to make as a street king, get yourself a Pontiac Aztek. A buddy of mine
works for GM, and has seen the Shelby GT version of the Aztek that Pontiac built for fun. That thing looks like hell, and sounds like a joke,
but when you step on the gas, it makes the Trans Am cry!


My name is MAD_C_ZN and I AM CANADIAN!

Originally posted by MAD_C_ZN
I don't see what's so hot about imports anyway!

I've beat just about all of the above (the ones i haven't, i haven't raced)
in my 1982 Pontiac Parisienne STOCK. (That's a Catalina if that helps
at all).

The whole rice scene makes me sick, and spending Daddy's money
on a car that you don't know how to drive makes me vomit out the
window all over my paint job! I mean, work for your car and THEN
talk it up, don't just cruise around and act like you're all that!

Honestly i can't figure it out. Vette, Viper, Camaro, Trans AM are
the only way to go.

In conclusion, if you want to stay domestic but want something different
to make as a street king, get yourself a Pontiac Aztek

My name is MAD_C_ZN and I AM CANADIAN!

First I just wanna say, stay the hell up in Canada ok, damn dude what up your ass?

I dont see what is so hot about your 1982 Pontiac Catalina (I think I put some of that stuff on my salad last night, I ate it up good)

Also I spend MY own money on MY own car, and I bet I could drive your car better than you can, not that I would wana drive such a POS.

Vette, Viper, Camaro, Trans AM, the only way to go if ya wanna be bored and wana waste $$$.

And get the fuck outa here with your damn Aztec shit! You call yourself an "Auto Enthusiast"?

Sorry man but you just pissed me off, you come in here just to talk shit, do you see us going over and talking shit in the domestic forums? I know at least i dont. If all you wana do is talk shit, then do it somewhere else, I asked what pisses people off about the import scene, not if they liked it or not. If you dont like it then dont read about it ok

Man, why is it people come to a forum for imports and post about domestics kicking the'r rear!! Dude, you need help. My cousin paid 10 times more for his vette and my Daytona still beats it. BTW, it's an LT-1 vette, and I have a STOCK 2.5 liter Turbo with 120,000 MILES ON IT!!! Just because sport compacts don't have the diplacement doesn't mean they are slow. Where you use brute force, we have to use our brains. You turn a bolt, we reprogram. And as for you salad dressing for a car, BRING IT ON!!! Unless your too afraid to get your tail burned. You'd be lucky to have enough time to see my taillights as I blow by you. Nuff said,

Sorry NBBCT about getting rowdy on your thread. This Dork needed a reality check.. BW, whos' 300zx is that in the background on your one pic?

Ok buddy! The whole point of fixing up are cars is to be different! Sure some cars look the same, but there is always something different. No matter what it is! If everyone went out and bought Vettes, Vipers, Camaro's, and Trans Am's; we would all be the same! That sucks ASS! If I invested half of what a Viper costs into my car, I could smoke any Viper on the street. If you don't believe me do some research!

By the way, Smoked some litte doof in a Catalina the other day. He thought he had some tough shit....Well he's probably at home right now with a torque wrench trying to put his car back together.

As for my Daddy he really does not like that I am fixing up my car. < "MY CAR!" with "MY MONEY" that "I EARN"

So, if you have a one sided opinion stay the hell out!
:mad: :flipa: :mad:

Originally posted by MaxBoost1990
. You turn a bolt, we reprogram. BW, whos' 300zx is that in the background on your one pic?

Hell yea I like that, I think that needs to go in a book somewhere under, quotes of the decade or something.
The Z is my good friend's, if you wana see more click on either of the links below the pictures.

its mine right? come on, its the holidays!!! i know its my present!

The import cars you guys mention are mostly shit.
I mean, a civic taking on a tuned V8, thats just stupid, as you can tell I don't really like hondas.
But here in NZ we get the real imports. Skylines, Evo's, Sti's, the list goes on. If you were to take on those cars then you would have a very tough time.

Id take a 3rd gen RX7, Supra, or Z over any of those three cars.....no, honestly....

Thank YOU!

If the guy's got NISMO in his name you've got to love him. I would take my Z over anything...Well having a Skyline would not be so bad! Regardless I would not trade my Z for any muscle car. I just love it to much. Plus sure you may be able to beat me in a straight line. Well lets go race on a road track, and see who comes out ahead!

Late!

Originally posted by DemonZX
Plus sure you may be able to beat me in a straight line. Well lets go race on a road track, and see who comes out ahead!

Dont get mr started on handling, my Miata can do some amazing things. I once got this buick GN to follow me to where I wanted to race. He ducked out after he saw that it was a twisty road. That was great cuz he knew he would walk away from me on the staight, but one we hit the turns, i would take it. That was fun.

NismoDrifts - I think he just decided to sell the Z acually. In leu of a '95 Supra TT.

Yogi_B: Thank you thanks you thank you! I've arrived to this thread late it seems and all I keep seeing is Civic, Vette, Accord, Viper, and that kind of tripe. Those arn't import sports cars! the Civic and that class of car is a friggin economy sedan! The sports cars are Skyline GT-Rs, RX-7s, Supra's, NSX's, and 300ZX's. I mean shit! I've put in my 2 cents in a few Import vs. Domestic arguments and this is what I have to say. Apples and oranges!!! Yer compairing apples and oranges! Now if we want to debate the high points of both types of cars we can put several pro's on the board for both! Now to all you out there who say that all imports are shitty, how about this import. Nissan Skyline R33 V-Spec. I saw one for sale in NZ for 26,000 usd, AND it had 560 hp at the wheels, oh yea, thats all 4 wheels for you import haters who don't know what ATTESSA is.
Now I will say this, I like Japanese sports cars, I would give my right nut for a skyline. But thats my favorite car because it is a well rounded car that handles all situations with apparent ease for less then you would pay for a vetta (If you get a used one). However I'm not going to shit on any other cars because they arn't japanese. I'd kill for a 550 Marenello, F355, 911 TT, Peugeot 406 all because they are spectacular looking and performing cars. Now for the other side of the wall that I would kill for. Lets see, Grand Nationals (can we say spend 25k and run with the vettes?), Viper RT/10 oh hell, any viper! Z06, C5, Hemi Cudas, Chevelle, 67 SS Camaro (I'm not to fond of the newer marrows but hell, I'd take one if some one gave me one!)
Now every single car I've mentioned in this post is, IMHO, a great car. Who gives two shits and a fuck were it came from!? You drive what you like I'll drive what I like. Respect other peoples personal preferences and recognize a sweet ass car when you see one.

Peace, Love, and Internal Combustion

Oh yes, and I will not take responsibility for any misspellings in this post as I was very energized and typed it very quickly so :flipa:

Originally posted by Gonthrax
Those arn't import sports cars! the Civic and that class of car is a friggin economy sedan! The sports cars are Skyline GT-Rs, RX-7s, Supra's, NSX's, and 300ZX's

I beg to differ, I am just as tired of hondas as the next guy, but take a look at the civic type R, integra type R, accord type R, and various SiR cars and I think that you will see that they are not just people movers, but well rounded performance orientated cars that can be just as fun as any high price car. The truth is, I think that anybody in America would go out and buy a used R34 GTR or EvoVII, but we cant. And about the cars that you mention that are on US soil, some of us just can't afford them (Hell i have driven my uncles NSX, i would sell my soul for that thing) and thats why we have semi-econoboxes triying to be performance cars crouding the streets. Most of the people in the import crowd are kids, from 16~21 (I know there are other but as far as i know that is the majority) and i know that, at least i, couldn't afford the FD3S that I wanted, so I went with the miata. So i think that when a kid like me gets my miata, a notoriously slow car, to be able to hang with vettes and like, it makes us feel as if we have done something more, with a whole bunch less. And if we can take a sedan, intended to haul people, make it haul ass, and make it able to spank a high $$ car, it feels great that we didnt have to spend all that $$ that the dude it domestic did. bottom line is that you can take anycar, and make it beat any other car if you pour enough cash into it.

RICARONI! :bandit:

TELL IT NB8CT!

Yeah, thats pretty much how it is. Domestic guys go out and BUY their performance cars, they want a fast car, they buy a chevelle or vette. Import people MAKE THEIR PERFORMANCE CAR! :p Usually, we do it for less too......and, yeah, id be hella proud of myself for making a miata that can run with a vette......

I might be mistaken, but isn't this a racing forum? This isn't an import forum, a domestic forum, sport compact, turbo diesel dualie super cab, or any of the aforementioned, it is a RACING forum........so the car doesn't really matter.

Yea man making your own performance car shows skill -- not buying it! It also shows your creativeness and reflects your personality from how you trick your car out. What's buying a performance car and not tweaking with it show? It shows lack of character and it just shows you want to show off and look with it while in real life you dont know jack shit about it. Everyone has stangs, vettes, and f-bodies. There's nothing exciting about them anymore since they're domestic and mass-produced.

And I'd like to point out this forum is being sponsored by Import Thugs.com



I came here thinking it would be import-only

good point alex, im stick and tired of looking at stangs(which i cant stand!) vettes and f-bods. if im cruisin and my friends like check out that stang or even brand new vette, im not excited but if i see a decked out import im into it.

Originally posted by amxracer
good point alex, im stick and tired of looking at stangs(which i cant stand!) vettes and f-bods. if im cruisin and my friends like check out that stang or even brand new vette, im not excited but if i see a decked out import im into it.

I would have to agree there to an extent. I have driving and seeing the same old cars they don't interest me such as the Stangs and the Vettes. If I see and import that looks pretty nice it intersts me. What I really like to see though are good old muscle cars that you don't see very often.

A bunch of posers/know-nothings are just fudging up the import scene and giving it a bad rep. Most ricers out there don't even have major engine modifications because the owner is either too ignorant or too poor.... or too stupid to realize that his car is actually a POS slow poser ricer. A "real" ricer would be something with a highly modified engine, a screaming forced intake system, a racing-oriented suspension, and a racing-style interior -- not the civics with body kits.

Originally posted by NB8CT


I beg to differ, I am just as tired of hondas as the next guy, but take a look at the civic type R, integra type R, accord type R, and various SiR cars and I think that you will see that they are not just people movers, but well rounded performance orientated cars that can be just as fun as any high price car.

Point well taken. Perhaps I was a bit hasty and worded my post a bit wrong. Oh hell, I forgot what I was trying to say :sun: But any how, I agree, this may be a little off base but take Need For Speed: High Stakes for PC. You can download all kinds of cars but the one I have the most fun driving is, ironicly, the Integra type R. I enjoy driving it for just the reasons you mentioned, but first and formost, its a well rounded car. However, because I don't live in a very large city, the majority of imports I see are your classic rice. Accords, civics, integras, hell even neons and saturns with body kits, fart cans, and nothing else. However I did see a nice red Supra TT yesterday..... mmmmmm not ricy *Drifts off into dreamland* :cool:

My biggest beef with import guys is probably their closed mindedness. It seems to me that most, not all mind you, think that since they have chosen an import, that it is their duty to rag on anything domestic. I consider myself an auto enthusiast, and can appreciate anyones time, money and hard work they have put into their vehicle, whether it be import or domestic. I do not like an abundance of stickers, tall wings, big tail pipes or what have you, but it is not my vehicle to modify. It's your money, your car, do as you please. I have seen plenty of imports that I thought were tastefully done, nice automobiles. I probably hear and read more negative comments than just about anyone. For some reason, it seems as though the majority can't fathom someone buying a POS Cobra. But this is my money, my time, and I don't need some 16 year old kid telling me that Ford sucks, Honda rules, and that he could run circles around me if he has some Nawssss.

Originally posted by blacksnake98
My biggest beef with import guys is probably their closed mindedness. It seems to me that most, not all mind you, think that since they have chosen an import, that it is their duty to rag on anything domestic. I consider myself an auto enthusiast, and can appreciate anyones time, money and hard work they have put into their vehicle, whether it be import or domestic. I do not like an abundance of stickers, tall wings, big tail pipes or what have you, but it is not my vehicle to modify. It's your money, your car, do as you please. I have seen plenty of imports that I thought were tastefully done, nice automobiles. I probably hear and read more negative comments than just about anyone. For some reason, it seems as though the majority can't fathom someone buying a POS Cobra. But this is my money, my time, and I don't need some 16 year old kid telling me that Ford sucks, Honda rules, and that he could run circles around me if he has some Nawssss.

Very well said.

Originally posted by blacksnake98
My biggest beef with import guys is probably their closed mindedness. It seems to me that most, not all mind you, think that since they have chosen an import, that it is their duty to rag on anything domestic. I consider myself an auto enthusiast, and can appreciate anyones time, money and hard work they have put into their vehicle, whether it be import or domestic. I do not like an abundance of stickers, tall wings, big tail pipes or what have you, but it is not my vehicle to modify. It's your money, your car, do as you please. I have seen plenty of imports that I thought were tastefully done, nice automobiles. I probably hear and read more negative comments than just about anyone. For some reason, it seems as though the majority can't fathom someone buying a POS Cobra. But this is my money, my time, and I don't need some 16 year old kid telling me that Ford sucks, Honda rules, and that he could run circles around me if he has some Nawssss.

I feel the same way about some domestic guys, and that no matter what an import does (looks, performance, etc.) will always talk it down becuase they feel like they are going against their "domestic roots". There are also import people who won't go against their "import roots" also, I agree with that. I think most people with imports don't hate domestics (hey I almost bought a red '65 GTO for my first car instead of my miata) it is just what we like. I know it goes the other way too. I had a guy pull up to me in a WS6 at a redlight and start talking to me, he commented on how nice my car was, and said he was thinking about getting an import. I said, but dude your WS6 could wack tons on shitty imports. He replied: yea but I want style, not just speed.

Originally posted by NB8CT


I feel the same way about some domestic guys, and that no matter what an import does (looks, performance, etc.) will always talk it down becuase they feel like they are going against their "domestic roots". There are also import people who won't go against their "import roots" also, I agree with that. I think most people with imports don't hate domestics (hey I almost bought a red '65 GTO for my first car instead of my miata) it is just what we like. I know it goes the other way too. I had a guy pull up to me in a WS6 at a redlight and start talking to me, he commented on how nice my car was, and said he was thinking about getting an import. I said, but dude your WS6 could wack tons on shitty imports. He replied: yea but I want style, not just speed.

Thats true, the steet goes both ways. Each side has it's ignorant jerks. Glad I'm not one of them.

Originally posted by blacksnake98
I don't need some 16 year old kid telling me that Ford sucks, Honda rules, and that he could run circles around me if he has some Nawssss.

I feal ya blacksnake, I hate all that tripe. Personaly I don't like all this recent talk of NOS, fuck NOS. My love for cars grew from a love for bikes, sport bikes in particular and we had a term for these kinds of people, Squids. Myself, I like talk of twisties, latteral acceleration, and road gripping ability. NOS is fine if you wanna be a street drag racer, me personaly, I say take it to the roads, much more skill envolved there 'cause remember, who has the faster car is only half of who wins the race.

Peace, Love, and Internal Combustion

Originally posted by Gonthrax
Myself, I like talk of twisties, latteral acceleration, and road gripping ability. NOS is fine if you wanna be a street drag racer, me personaly, I say take it to the roads, much more skill envolved there 'cause remember, who has the faster car is only half of who wins the race.


Fuck Yea!!! You shoulda heard what me freinds were saying when I sunk over 3k on just getting my car to handle like its on rails. They were like, you coulda used that on go fast parts, and I was dude those are go-fast parts. They understood once I took them for a ride and was takin turns at 50, without any tire squeal. To me racing in a straight line is fun, but true enjoyment is taking your car onto a roadcourse and really seeing what your car can do. I'm sorry i may get a bunch of shit for saying this, but NASCAR is not racing!! I could turn left all day long in the parking lot of my school, sound like fun; NO! True racing are things like F1, and WRC Rally(those are the most talented driver on this earth). I mean it does not take much talent to turn left for 3 hours. Thats why I like to watch NASCAR when they go onto roadcourses like Sears Point, they dont know what hell they are doing!!! Anyway, I'm done. Sorry if I just pissed you NASCAR fans off, but oh well.

NASCAR is a bunch of filthy down-south rednecks running their POS cars in circles. I personally enjoy what they have in europe -- rallies, Formula, and tricked out sedan racing, etc. I love it every summer I'm there I spend half the time watching Eurosport with my cousins.

And Le Mans!!!! That is some BADASS shit! There's nothing better than going to sleep and waking up to see what cars made it through the night!

Originally posted by AlexB
NASCAR is a bunch of filthy down-south rednecks running their POS cars in circles. I personally enjoy what they have in europe -- rallies, Formula, and tricked out sedan racing, etc. I love it every summer I'm there I spend half the time watching Eurosport with my cousins.

Hey! I happen to like Stock car racing and I am no redneck. I prefer to really only watch the road courses though.

I'm talking about the drivers being rednecks. And anyway I'll watch it for 5 minutes now and then especially when there's accidents or pit problems :cool:

i hate the term RICE... there is no definition of the word and everyone uses it differently.. i use it as an attitude... "my civic is better than your cavalier cause its a civic" that sorta thing... or the stickers and wing and kit but no go... (unless is a show car.. then its ok.. cause its a SHOW car)... and angry weed wacker cat backs...

domestics can be just as good if not better than imports... some imports (accords and some civics i think) arent even imported... camarys (not a great example but its the point that counts) are made in the midwest.... if my cavie had as many options as a civc for easy bolt ons and mods id be doin 150 too... as is its rev and speed limited so its crippled b4 the start...

I downloaded a clip on grokster with a viper and civic racing. Let's just say the viper got it's ass handed to it.

Yeah, i heard about that clip, ive also heard from a loooooooooooooot of people that it was faked up the ass..........i havent seen it for myself so im not sure, do you have a title or link or anything we could use to find it?

Originally posted by AlexB
I'm talking about the drivers being rednecks. And anyway I'll watch it for 5 minutes now and then especially when there's accidents or pit problems :cool:

Hehe, oh now thats true.

Screw NASCAR :p

Rallying, AutoX, and Road Racing are where its at

I'm not a big nascar fan either, and some of their drivers may be rednecks, but...You have to give them credit. Keeping your fender 6 inches from the guys bumper in front of you, all the while going around a banked turn at almost 200mph takes alot of concentration and skill. The guys are exceptional at what they do to say the least.

Hmm, yeah, i think you need some credit too......lol.......joining AF around the same time i did and having almost twice as many posts as me! BASTARD! :p

Mmmuuhaaahaaahaa...:)

the thing that pisses me off about the import scene is the fact that owners seem to have so many options to modify them but often do not take advantage. i get so tired of seeing these punks in otherwise stock civics covered in stickers for things they don't have, or body kits, thinking they have a fast car. i've smoked countless hondas decked out like this in my lo pro regal. they look over and see a grocery-getter, and then it eats their asses! make no mistake, i'm not dissin the cars--most imports are works of technological art--my problem is the idiots that often buy them, "fix them up" like this and then try to race me. it gives true import enthusiasts a bad name. if you're planning to be cocky in an import, at least be able to back up your stickers!!! personally, i love the sleeper look--no show and ALL GO! true, my regal is nearly stock, but i do have big plans for it in the near future, and i don't talk any shit that i can't back up. for sure, i rarely talk shit at all, just let the car speak for itself. it won't beat a v8 stang *pukes on himself* but it will surprise the hell out of a lot of comparable cars. this is what so many "import racers" are missing. i can't remember half the hondas i've smoked, but they WILL remember me!

so before the hate mail starts coming in, if you are a true import enthusiast who takes pride in how your car performs before how it looks, then good for you. you have my respect. but if you happen to be one of these little shits in an "all show, no go" civic or other import that i smoke on a daily basis, you can go slam your head in the door of that car you love to show off, because it will hurt a lot less than getting killed by my grannymobile!!! you shouldn't be in this forum if you're not interested in true performance.:finger:

I hate all people that goto my school pretty much. I have an 86 jetta. It's got some power to it. But I don't brag about it. I love looking at the asian kids with the hondas at my school. No offesense to Asians. Most of my friends are Asain. There is one guy at my school with a respectable import. He has a 300ZX. Well actaully 2 but it's this guy with a prelude. What a waste. They race their cars. They don't come to school and talk about the night before and about how they raced and that stuff. But on the other hand. I know all these fools with their Civics and Accords and Integras. These bums rev their motors and stuff in the lot. Fools. They have and exhuast not even Kat back and some have an occasoinal intake. These retards think they can feel the difference in horse power. I would like to say NO. Big deal if you have an exhuast. So do I. I have a Schrick cam in my car too. Next month I'm installing a new air intake that has a pipe under the air DAM. Does anyone give a shit? NO. Do I rev my engine in the lot? NO. I'm trying to build a nice car with out looking like a punk ass wanna bee. So all you ricers out there with exhuast and intake that think they are street racers you all are a bunch of fake ass no ones. Come to my neighbors house and race his M3 and then tell me you are a street racer. PEACE dub for life if you got a prob write about in the thread.

okay heres what i hate the most. people with these civics and crap like that that think theyre so fast cuz they got a muffler and a bodykit and clear blinkers. i would consider myself an import person, my car is an almost stock 2002 impreza, its not fast, it runs high 14s in the 1/4, an easy kill for any newer z28 or gt, but its not slow either, as i can beat prob any new car for its price. but when i go race these rice boys, i kill them so badly its not funny, and my car is almost stock. i would also consider myself a street racer, but i dont go revving at everyone and racing through traffic till i almost rear end the people in front of me, and i hate it when people do that as well, and thats not just imports that do that. i also hate it when the import people diss domestic sport compacts just cuz theyre domestic, a 140 hp focus zx3 will easily kill a 160hp civic si, believe me i have seen it many of times.

Yeah, omg, a bunch of fucking morons in my class (ones a really ditsy blonde girl who i think has a domestic) was all like "yeah! im gettin eurotails next week!!!!!!!" and she was all freakin, and all the people in the class were talking about em........and of course they were all talking about how the Fast and the Furious came out today and who they were all gonna get it because it was such a badass movie and it was realistic (no joke, they said that) i was like "oh my god"

and this morning on the bus......one teen was like "yeah! my dads 60's mustang runs 11.....and he doesnt use NOS!!!!!" like it was some godlike thing for a 60s domestic to be fast without nitrous.......oh my god i live in dumbassville

The only thing i hate about street racing is that anybody that buys a intake and a muffler think that they can race anything...oh and also they got stickers from every hi performance part made..but only got an intake and clear tail lights..

Originally posted by megadragoon
I downloaded a clip on grokster with a viper and civic racing. Let's just say the viper got it's ass handed to it.

i personally seen a Hennessy 550 Viper get 4 car lengthed by a 4 banger civic..(is car-lengthed a word??)...but the Viper just pulled out of the track after that....the same civic handed a guy in a supercharged 5.0 his ass not once...but three times...guy in the Stang kept saying that something must be wrong with his car...yeah...there was something wrong...it was slow

ONLY 4 CAR LENGTHS?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

so, how were all the cars modded? no way in hell ill believe only 4 car lengths to the viper, and a spanked 5.0 from a stock civic, so, whats the deal?

Oh yeah car-lengthed works as a word....coz you added in the "-" :p

Originally posted by NismoDrifts
ONLY 4 CAR LENGTHS?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

so, how were all the cars modded? no way in hell ill believe only 4 car lengths to the viper, and a spanked 5.0 from a stock civic, so, whats the deal?

Oh yeah car-lengthed works as a word....coz you added in the "-" :p

Civic was modded with about 20 psi turbo and a 150?? shot...he rebuilt the entire motor from the ground up...i cant remember what the civic dyno'd at...been a couple years since i seen it

The idea of building a car that can smash Hennessey Vipers and the like is cool, but those Civics are so ugly that I could never fathom building one. Give me a Viper anyday, and I'll slap a few mods on to it and be happy. ;)

Id rather take a real nice Vette........

coz you know once ya spank em in the viper theyre gonna be like "ok lets race on a curvy track" if ya have the viper itll be hard but if you have a reaaal nice vette and mod it to the price of your viper, youll be able to humiliate em again!

Yeah..thats the way i see it too..its cool and all to have a civic that can out run a Ferarri....but i would rather be sporting the Ferarri

The cost argument is also completely against the import scene. Prices for parts are higher than that for domestic cars; reasons don't matter, I'm stating the facts. Then there is another simple fact: stock power. When you buy a Camaro SS, you're already starting with about 325 HP, naturally aspirated. You buy a Toyota Supra, you're starting with 320 HP, but that's already taking the turbos into account. You can pump the Camaro up with mods to increase HP, and do major work like heads and cam, and crank the power through the roof, and STILL have the option of turboing (though not a popular choice), supercharging, or adding spray. Hell, you could run a Paxton supercharger on 6psi and have a 75 shot of nitrous at the same time. Imagine that combination!! Of course, the satisfaction of making a car fast is something that cannot be surpassed, but for me, there is none in taking a car that was not meant to be worked on in such a manner (a four door Integra) and spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to pump some pep into it. Cost is not on the import enthusiast's side.

if i put the money into my impreza that an ss costs, i would smoke the hell out of it. cost is DEFINATELY on my side. its harder for a front wheel drive though, cost isnt on their side.

AWD has sick launches.......

......and, is it really right to judge a car by where it comes from???

imports have their share of RWD, AWD and FWD....

new domestics are almost always FWD, with some RWD......

the camaro and firebird are gone, so as for new cars youre leaft with stang and vette.....

meanwhile, the impreza STi and lancer evo (not sure) should be coming by, along with the 350z......rx8........whether ya like it or not this may just be the ascension of import enthusiasm......

reliability, and survivability under high mileage ARE on the import enthusiasts side, annnnnnnnnd time IS money......

so, in conclusion, every car has its own characteristics, and where they come from is nothing......and the term import applies to ALL cars in the US that arent american.....lamborghini, ferrari, bmw, audi, porsche, etc.

soooooo.....yeah........post whore gets paid again

I meant Japanese imports mostly.

Also, most imports are FWD. The RWD ones with speed are plenty expensive...like the Supra or such.

How much did your Impreza cost from the showroom?

The only thing wrong with the supra is the inline 6. If I was goin for the RWD inline 6 I'd buy a BMW. AWD is nice though. But who cares when I got my Mr. Iceman coolio tails bro. That's gotta add about 15 horse and add another 5 for my clear corners. Hell ya. Fuck hondas. They are so dumb. And the little ricers. You roll up to me in your civic will you cold air intake and your exhaust I'll leave you a cloud of smoke with my jetta. I hate the clear thing. lets put clear tails on a blue car. Dumb I'm a smoked out person myself.

the jetta.....germany's hard ass performance car :rolleyes: the jettas pretty much in the same league as the civic, but i gotta give ya credit, the jetta is far better

smoked taillights are just as bad as clear if its on the wrong color car........

anyway, are we talking about civics? :confused:

and yeah i know you were talkin mostly bout japanese imports...and most ARE fwd....but not all rwd imports are hella expensive.....180 and 240 sx's are cheap to come by....

Just because Honda has a lot of rice doesnt mean its all rice.....you are waay too stereotypical VW....so from now on i dub thee KrautBoy

Ls1 ya know your stuff though from what im reading......the subaru WRX is a sub 25k car, but then again so is the camaro z28, and if im not mistaken, the z28 beat out the WRX in the 1/4

I'm not stereo typical. I do like one honda. The S2000. That car is bad ass. I am NOT at all a honda fan. But that car gets props fosho. This guy that lives near me has one sittin on 18's and it's stock besides the crome rims. But that car is so fast. For around here. No one around my land has a fast import except for this one girl at school but she doesn't race her cars. The tail light thing is a mostly smoke world. Clear looks pretty dumb on most cars. People talk bad ass about their cars because of their clear corners and shit. I don't think that's cool. That "pisses me off about the Import Scene". I'm sure you can relate. I like nissans too. This guy at school has a bad ass 300zx.

Yeah, sorry if i was a lil too harsh in my last post. Its just that around my town i get way too much "if it aint made in amurika it caint be fast evur!" and well, i just get sick of it

yeah, the s2000 is a pretty bad ass car

and yeah, i hate rice too man, i think we all do....its tasteless, and they spend all that money on it with no engine mods and try to race....

i know this one guy who has all these stickers on his car, venom and everything.....so im like "so is it wet, dry, direct port? how bigs that shot?" coz i KNEW whatever he said hed be lying, and hes like "its the one with the computer and duhhh its like 100 horsepower" (pretty much his exact words) its pretty sickening

so, yeah, i think we all relate to hating the dumbasses out there

yeah i love awd launches! im prob never buying another 2wd, but if i do, itll be rwd, fwd sucks! my impreza was $18,000 with 14 miles on it.

I don't hate rice it tastes good and everything. But the rice rocket thing is pretty much a honda lovers outlet. We should call that a whole new class called "lil waste" little cars that waste your money. Anyone that would buy an intake for their honda is an idiot. The intake doesn't do much for your car unless you port and polish. Then you have to change the cam/s. Then comes smoothing your cylinders. Matching your block to your manifolds (intake and exhaust) then port the headers. These rice rocket (kids) not pertaining to age but logic and knowledge. There is a lot of people that know a hell of a lot more about cars than I do but we both know that a civic is a total waste of time and money.

Nismo I don't mind you being harsh. Shit happens and arguing is what these forums are for. You got a good insight about cars. That's cool. I'm a German car fan always was since I was like ten. I don't know much about Rice Burners.

Thanks for the compliment Nismo.

Yeah, the Z28 in stock trim is quicker than the WRX. Though some people might say otherwise, I know quite a few people that own WRX's, and I am a regular at the track. For the most part, I've only seen stock WRX's rip low 14 second quarter miles. I've never seen one dip into the 13's, ever (stock). Not to say that's bad by any means; my friend hooked a best of a 14.2 in his WRX, stock...damned good I think. But some people try telling me you can hook 13's stock without touching anything, and I haven't seen that happen. I did see some guy rip a 13.9 in a stock S2000 though. Those bastards are quick.

A new Z28 stock runs about a 13.6 or so, and a SS can rip 13.3's no problem, if not a bit better here and there.

the thing that pisses me off most about import scene (by imports i mean the rice-boy type cars) are the people who think theyre a badass cuz they have an intake, exhaust, bodykit and clear blinkers/taillights on their 106 hp civics and suddenly theyre speed racer. i have an intake and exhaust, but by no means do i think they made me fast, the exhaust was for looks not performance, and the intake i just liked the way it sounded and made the engine bay look, i realize that maybe at most i gained 10 hp. i also plan on getting clear side markers, cuz i dont like the big orange reflectors in the middle of nowhere on the side of my white car. but id say clear taillights look like crap on most vehicles. however thats just an opinion, if someone likes clear tails then by all means put them on your car after all it is your car.

Nismo, I'd almost swear you live in my hometown, Fayetteville NC!! lol!! Most of the guys at my old high school were like that. I and about 4 other people werre the only ones with go-cars.. I had a Twin Turbo Stealth, a budy had a Nicely done Civic(only visible mods were rims, small wing, and the non chromed 3"exhaust tip.. in the 12's though), and 2 guys in some very nice Eclipses.. personally, I agree with the sleeper thing. Lose the stickers. And if you need a body kit and wing, get ones that are actually functional(my Fiance's 90 Laser Turbo definately NEEDS them.. The thing gets airborn over 115). I guess that's why my car draws so many awes.. It's a bone stock looking Daytona(Fading peeling Chrysler clear coat and all... lol), but she has a lot to talk about under the hood. But I also don't let my head get to big..

When you think you're the fastest, check your rear view, becuase here comes someone faster than you!!

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
the thing that pisses me off most about import scene (by imports i mean the rice-boy type cars) are the people who think theyre a badass cuz they have an intake, exhaust, bodykit and clear blinkers/taillights on their 106 hp civics and suddenly theyre speed racer.

Does it really matter what you have done to the car? I mean really, being a streetracer, is not limited to those with only high $$ mods to their car. Being a streetracer is a state of mind and you show other people that you are a streetracer by doing, what else, but street racing.

VWRedliner - What is your problem with H cars? I hate to break it to ya but the jetta isn't light years ahead of a civic, let alone a si or dare i say a type R.... Also you say the only problem with the Supra is the engine :eek: humor me on your reasoning behind that.

Originally posted by LS1CamaroZ28
When you buy a Camaro SS, you're already starting with about 325 HP, naturally aspirated. You buy a Toyota Supra, you're starting with 320 HP, but that's already taking the turbos into account.

Just a question about this. It is not uncommon now a days to see Supras (street leagal might I add) that are in the 800~1000 hp range. Where are the F-bodies at? ...remember street legal....

Itd take me about a day to get to Fayetteville, im in southern Va :D

First off, I was talking about new cars. A Supra was nearly 50,000 dollars new, so that's completely out of the question.

And you show me a street Supra with 1000 HP. Sure, he might have 1000 HP when he is sipping 110 octane gas one night at the track with the boost past 25psi, but not on daily driving...and CERTAINLY not on the street.

I didn't knock Supras though. But if you go stock for stock, it's about as fast as a SS or WS-6 anyways.

One more note. You can start pushing over 500 HP by just adding a supercharger on 6psi to a F-body. That's without intercooler and exhaust and other mods...they did it in Pontiac Enthusiast. They took a stock 2001 WS6 and slapped a Procharger on it, it made about 480 HP at the wheels with no tuning.

Ok, i might as well be asking for a "Bash Me" topic here but here's a classic movie clip that everyone should see:

Civic VS Ferrari (http://www.geocities.com/coolinbox/civicVSferrari.ram)

i know all of you will have your own "opinions" on what happened... but whatever it may be... what happend here actually happened.

I got a bunch of other import videos wooping ass too... he he he...

If the link doesn't work, try copy and pasting the shortcut into a new browser window...

Peace

i dont have anything against people racing their nearly stock cars, i do it too, but what im saying is it pisses me off when they drive around revving their engines at every car they see like they can annihilate every car there is or something. people in stock civics should not try to show out in front of camaros and the like. they should know enough to realize what can and cant beat them, instead of getting this "im a badass" complex or whatever u wanna call it and think theyre the fastest car in the state or something. i knew a guy who had an accord coupe with an intake and exhaust, nothing more, and thats not a bad thing, until he said to me "well i think im about the fastest car in town now" and he was completely serious about it! well after i taught him a lesson about how my car with the same mods was waaaaay faster than his, he acted like he was gonna cry or something. and one of my friends has a mitsubishi galant with a bodykit and wing but no performance mods, a dude in a z28 challenged him and he was like alright lets go, i asked him if he thought he would win and hes like "of course, its just a camaro, its even stock". what im saying is they need to retain some common sense, clear corners do not increase your performance...

what really pisses me off is Euro lights a loud exhauist and that it and they still have stock rims FUCKING ACCORDS FUCKING GET THE RIMS YOU USELESS BASTARDS I DON'T CAR IF THEY'RE $500 for the set you should've figured that into when you got the car you bitch

I hate fart pipes a camaro with fart pipes drove bye me once and then a Susuki Vitra had a louder exhaust o well SUCK

Originally posted by LS1CamaroZ28
And you show me a street Supra with 1000 HP.

http://www.suprastore.com/supow19blac6.html

http://www.suprastore.com/guil19hkspre.html

http://www.suprastore.com/saadsaad1019.html

Hey and they are all for sale too!!

No, I know there are 1000 HP Supras. But here is what I mean:

"Turbonetics T72 .81 A/R P-trim turbocharger conversion that puts out over 600hp on pump gas and 915hp on 101 unleaded."

I guarantee you that the estimate you see above is pushing it, first off. But like I said, you won't see that 915 HP on the street, because 100+ octane gas is like $4 a gallon. My original point is that I can push the same kind of power on, for example, a LS1 Camaro, and still be using 93 octane gas without detonation problems.

IMO it's all in the way you upgrade your car. I'm sure you can push that 1000HP on a bunch of other imports or domestics, the question is do you know how to and do you have the money to do it.

IMO it's all in the way you upgrade your car. I'm sure you can push that 1000HP on a bunch of other imports or domestics, the question is do you know how to and do you have the money to do it.

What does it matter what grade of gas you use?? I mean within reason, no alchohol or anything but really, you cant say, "yea well I only have 93 octane in my car and you have 101" after you loose a race, who is gonna know but you??

No, no no! What I mean is that you can't roll up to your local gas station and fill it up with 100+ octane gas!!! You can only do that at the track! Therefore, none of these Supras make 1000+ HP on the STREETS. Only when you make some passes at the track (which is fine). The whole point is you can do that on a V8 without jacking the boost to ungodly levels.

a supra or other import can make that much power on pump gas it must just be tuned right. all 4cycle engines work the same, regardless of country of origin. if the engine is strong enough, and tuned right, it can make 1000 hp on pump gas, be it 4-6-8-10-... cylinders

I don't know about that. Those three Supras all cost over $55,000 and had some of the best performance parts on them, and they can only make that 1000 HP on high boost, therefore requiring race gas. That's the only way you can really do it on a four or six banger...it's easier to make horsepower once you have bigger displacement 8's or 10's.

Well you could just use an octane booster from the local car shop, but i do see your point LS1. And you speak of boost like its a bad thing, it is the replacment for displacment. As long as you can boost up to like 40psi on a turbo bigger than your head, why not, you can always turn it down, and also on the up side of inline 6 and 4's the gas mileage is better than any v8 or 10.

What pisses me off about the import scene?

I'm at a stoplight in the '93 Talon TSi AWD A/T. (It needs a tuneup, the fuel injectors are gummed up, it runs rough, accelerates poorly, etc.) A nice looking Honda Civic pulls up along side. No stickers, no yellow, the only rice mods it has is the clear turn signal lenses and the coffee can tailpipe. I wasn't even thinking of racing when the light turned green. The Civic launches with a chirp, he's got the thing floored. He's got the drop on me by a half a second. I give the Talon about 3/4 of the gas pedal and fly by the moron. When I reached 50mph & let off the accelerator, I was a full car length ahead of this guy. He then goes shooting buy, still floored, his engine screaming in protest.

So I guess according to you ricers I could call that a "Civic kill"? It's nice to chalk up a kill without even trying... and with a car that needs a serious tuneup... has no modifications, and after giving the Civic a great head start.

Ricers are ignorant!

If he was driving a Mustang, Camero, 300ZX, Modified Miata, tricked out Plymouth, Vette, Viper, RX-7, NSX, Grand National, Eclipse GST, Chevy Nova, whatever... I would have been eating dust. But that's ok... like I said, I didn't really want to race.

I've tried that octane booster...first off, you'd need like 30 to raise your octane by like...4 points in a full tank...it's not very good stuff ;)


But I don't mean boost is a bad thing at all. Like I said, I like those Supras a lot. The only thing I meant is, you can make a 1000 HP naturally asipirated big block V8 and still have room for forced induction.

Originally posted by Andre the Giant
What pisses me off about the import scene?

I'm at a stoplight in the '93 Talon TSi AWD A/T. (It needs a tuneup, the fuel injectors are gummed up, it runs rough, accelerates poorly, etc.) A nice looking Honda Civic pulls up along side. No stickers, no yellow, the only rice mods it has is the clear turn signal lenses and the coffee can tailpipe. I wasn't even thinking of racing when the light turned green. The Civic launches with a chirp, he's got the thing floored. He's got the drop on me by a half a second. I give the Talon about 3/4 of the gas pedal and fly by the moron. When I reached 50mph & let off the accelerator, I was a full car length ahead of this guy. He then goes shooting buy, still floored, his engine screaming in protest.

So I guess according to you ricers I could call that a "Civic kill"? It's nice to chalk up a kill without even trying... and with a car that needs a serious tuneup... has no modifications, and after giving the Civic a great head start.

Ricers are ignorant!

If he was driving a Mustang, Camero, 300ZX, Modified Miata, tricked out Plymouth, Vette, Viper, RX-7, NSX, Grand National, Eclipse GST, Chevy Nova, whatever... I would have been eating dust. But that's ok... like I said, I didn't really want to race.

Haha, you too. I once beat a Civic with a slipping clutch. I would have to agree completely with your statement.

Originally posted by Andre the Giant
So I guess according to you ricers I could call that a "Civic kill"...

that is so sad

regarding your discussion about having 1000 HP street cars, a guy with whom i cruise with every sat. in the summer, runs a 950 HP '70 Chevelle SS on the street. completely street legal (though pushed to the limit in terms of exhaust decibels!) it runs on 94 octane Sunoco pump gas with no additives. to get that kind of power on the street in a street legal car, you need the cubic displacement that only a domestic V8 can provide. here's how he did it-

Dart or Merlin (can't remember which) Chevy big block bored to 560ci, 10.5:1 forged flat top pistons, CNC ported and polished Dart heads, Dart single plane port-matched single plane race intake, 1,090cfm King Demon race carb, Lunati Racer crank, Lunati Pro Mod connecting rods, Comp cams 286 degree Super Street cam, Crane roller lifters, chromeoly rods, Harland Sharp roller race rockers, and a NOS Fogger adjusted to add 250HP. for the exhaust, he runs Hooker headers with collector style mufflers to two 3" pipes that exit on either side of the car in front of the rear tires. it took him about 9 years to build the car and motor, and to get all the money to put into it. it's one scary machine, and makes my car look like a friggin cream puff. I've only been around him for the past summer and half of the one before (he finished the car halfway through that summer, and i met him one of the first times he brought it out) with the sheetmetal inner door panels, sheetmetal panel where the rear seats used to be, full roll cage, and kill switch on the rear bumper, it's hilarious to see the little inspection sticker stuck on the corner of his windshield!!

personally id rather have my high hp at a high boost level, then i could turn it down and retain my drivability and gas milage for cruising. plus with the supras, the variable cam could be computer controlled, cruise on the stock cam and itll idle smooth and all, hit a few buttons and u got the non-idling race cam going, i just wanna challenge someone and as soon as they agree change from a nice smooth purr to the glug glug glug of the big lobe cam, thatd be fun to watch their face...

Originally posted by fastrThanU
Dart or Merlin (can't remember which) Chevy big block bored to 560ci, 10.5:1 forged flat top pistons, CNC ported and polished Dart heads, Dart single plane port-matched single plane race intake, 1,090cfm King Demon race carb, Lunati Racer crank, Lunati Pro Mod connecting rods, Comp cams 286 degree Super Street cam, Crane roller lifters, chromeoly rods, Harland Sharp roller race rockers, and a NOS Fogger adjusted to add 250HP. for the exhaust, he runs Hooker headers with collector style mufflers to two 3" pipes that exit on either side of the car in front of the rear tires. it took him about 9 years to build the car and motor, and to get all the money to put into it. it's one scary machine, and makes my car look like a friggin cream puff. I've only been around him for the past summer and half of the one before (he finished the car halfway through that summer, and i met him one of the first times he brought it out) with the sheetmetal inner door panels, sheetmetal panel where the rear seats used to be, full roll cage, and kill switch on the rear bumper, it's hilarious to see the little inspection sticker stuck on the corner of his windshield!!

in my opinion, this isnt much of a street car. sure its street legal and runs on pump gas, but to me a street car has a full interior and doesnt require u to fill that pump gas every 10 minutes, at least 14-15mpg is a must! but that sounds like a bad machine though, and would be fun as hell to drive around, at least if it didnt scare me to death! has anyone here seen the turbo imports supra owned by a guy named walser? full interior no weight reduction at all, still has a/c, targa top, stock transmission, is his daily driver, he ran a 9.54 on street tires his second time at the strip , 12 hours after dropping his daughter off at school in it. oh and other than exhaust wheels and a small front lip, looks stock. thats what i call a street car!

Originally posted by LS1CamaroZ28
No, no no! What I mean is that you can't roll up to your local gas station and fill it up with 100+ octane gas!!! You can only do that at the track! Therefore, none of these Supras make 1000+ HP on the STREETS. Only when you make some passes at the track (which is fine). The whole point is you can do that on a V8 without jacking the boost to ungodly levels.

There is a JR Foods quick stop here in BG that has a 110 RON gas pump, you have to go inside and get a key, its like $2.75/gal

As far as the whole "You need a high displacement V8 to get in the 1000hp range and still run on pump gas. You could never do that with your damn turbochargers and whatnot" arguement... All I have to say is this. It can be done, with either kind of car, many many people have done it. It is easier, and less expensive (IMHO) to do it to a turbo car, thats my 2 cents.

first, keep in mind that i'm not comparing domestic V8s to 4 bangers. it is simply a comprison of large displacement to smaller displacement- whether that be domestic, import or whatever. my previous example was just an example in which i have had first hand experience, and it just happened to be a V8, because most high displacement motors are domestic 8 cyls. aside from all that crap....... i never said you couldn't do it with turbochargers. but to do it with a turbo on pump gas, you would need to seriously bump up the boost, and without serious (and very expensive) mods to the smaller displacement motor, it would only be a matter of time before you rip the average small displacement motor to shreads, not to mention multiplying that risk because of the use of pump gas, and it's higher likelyhood of detonation due to the extreme pressure levels inside the combustion chamber caused by the dramatically increased boost that you would have to run from the get-go. it would be much easier to get 1,000 horsepower on pump gas from a large displacement motor simply because due to the increased airflow capacity in and out of the larger combustion chambers because of a larger bore and stroke. look at it this way- if you take a cylinder from a smaller motor, and one from a large displacament motor, filled it with an intake charge of the same air to fuel ratio at the same atmospheric pressure, and fired both cylinders, the larger displacement would make more power because you can fit more of the volatile air/fuel mixture in it. to make equal power in both cylinders, a lesser atmospheric pressure would be used in the bigger cylinder to compensate for more atomized fuel/air mixture in the chamber, thus resulting in less engine strain, longer life, and thus a more streetable engine purely in those terms ( of course you can take gas mileage into the equation, but personally i'd rather be filling the tank than hoisting out and putting in a new motor)

yea, I guess you have a good point Faster. I guess I'm just partial to imports. Also, I'd like to be driving somthing with a good AWD system if I was pushin 1000hp, and to my knowladge, not many domestics have that.
btw, I love your car, its very clean.

but the thing is, with the high boost motor, sure the high boost levels will wear the engine, but with a basic boost controller u can only run the high boost when u need it, and keep it at safe levels the majority of the time. yes the high boost will wear the engine, but say u compete in 5 races a week, and your car runs lets say 10s. the high boost is wearing on your engine, but only 50 seconds out of the week, its not like youre running high boost all the time. im not saying imports are better, and im not saying domestics are better. they both have their good points and bad points. just like cu. in. motors vs high boost motors, both have their good and bad points.

LS-1, I have to argue on a few points. First off, I own an import speed shop.. Bitstream Racing. In all honesty man, the LS-1 has a few huge probs. 1st) Unreliable as all gettout.. Real prone to wrist pin knock.
2nd) Fuel Economy... The suck gas
3rd) Even with the Supercharger they only push 375 at the wheels. This was a proven test that was done by myself, and the shop that does my machine work for me. We put my 90 Laser Turbo against a friends Camaro after he had his SC, exhaust, and ECM worked on, and we still pushed less than my Laser..And BTW, he has about 28,000 more invested in his vehicle than I do. Why spend 30K+ on a car that is S-L-O-W unless its a luxury car?

Also, the tests were done on a Dynojet Chassis Dyno, and my ride pushed 498@6400 RPM... ON PUMP GAS!!! And it still gets 28+ MPG daily driven

thank you Gonthrax.

exactly, Idelaysionl- on each motor, they both have their strong and weak points, so it pretty much makes it a matter of personal taste, whether it's a small 6cyl turbo motor vs a larger 6cyl turbo motor, or 4 cyl NOS vs larger 8 cyl NOS or, NA V8 vs NA V10. keep in mind, though, for an even comparison, you need to have the same mods(or lack thereof) done to both motors. what you make up for in one aspect of a motor, you pay for in another aspect of that motor. that is what engines are based on- weaknesses and strengths, and trying to compromise one for the other.

As far as the gas milage goes i think that imports have it easier out of the box, and even modded they are easier on the gas. And with the ability to add a user programable ecu, the car can be leaned out even more. I have tuned my miata to get just shy of 30mpg on the highway, and 23 in the city. (thats if I dont floor it regularly though, the 550CC injectors like to flow under WOT)

Hello all,

Hi, I'm new to the forums. Anyhow, I'd like to say that I prefer both domestic and import cars. They are both respectively different machines. Although I must say that late 60s and early 70s American muscle cars must be put out to pasture and make way for more modern American sports cars. I rather drive (and modify) a 2002 Camero SS than is 1969 counterpart.

American cars have LOADS of torque and are TONS of fun to drive (and they're easy to drive). That being said, I feel it takes more skill to pilot an import car, because they are more suited to racing (when it comes to winding around tracks and hairpin turns). Sure, the 8.5 second Civics out there, but in my opinion, imports excel in handling and overall build quality.

I am a huge fan of cars, and there aren't many sports cars I would turn down if handed over for free (domestic or import). Just my $0.02

-Joshua

so there are sports cars you WOULD turn down? :p

j/k, welcome to the boards

Yeah, there'd be a few I'd turn down...

I just don't care for OLD Detriot muscle...doesn't excite me. I'd rather have NEW Detroit muscle. The newer cars are much better by comparison (they ARE 30 some-odd years newer). I guess I would say, that I would accept any sports car, but there would be some that I would turn right around and sell and use the money for another.

It's not that I don't appreciate older and vintage cars. I think they're great and all. But when it comes to something that I'm going to drive, I'd like some modern.

-Joshua

I agree Josh, the US is getting left behind in the car market IMHO because we refuse to incorperate technolgy into our cars. We are getting left behind tech wise all round if you ask me.

yeah man, i have to agree with you

the new cars (not just imports so dont think im dom bashing here!) have so much better handling..............and they look absolutely sexy.......

but when people see a big muscle car, they expect some big burly guy with a beard, shirt too tight, and beer stains to step out

Originally posted by Gonthrax
I agree Josh, the US is getting left behind in the car market IMHO because we refuse to incorperate technolgy into our cars. We are getting left behind tech wise all round if you ask me.

I KNOW RIGHT!!!! I mean look at the top the line Japanese Sports car, the R34 GTR, compared to the top of the line US sports car, either the Viper or Z06, although the R34 may not be a fast, just look at all the technology in that damn car, the US counterparts are like fred flintstone cars man. Needless to say you can make a R34 wack a viper or Z06, both in a straight line as well as the twisties.

I've really come to respect newer domestics like the Ford Mustang Cobra. While not nearly as technologically sophisticated as a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or Nissan Skyline R34, it certainly out scores the present Camero Z28 SS. Look at Motortrend's December 2001 issues. There is a comparo with a Camero Z28 SS and a Mustang Cobra. The author of the article points out that the Mustang, while being slower, it is a better overall racing vehicle because of the technology incorperated into it. I quote, "The Camero SS is better at making speed, while the Mustang is better at handling it."

This, in my opinion, is what all the difference in sports cars. Most people will agree that speed is nothing if you can't control it. I'm not saying that the Camaro doesn't handle good, but not nearly as good as the competition. It's nice to know that Ford is moving towards more effecient engines (i.e. getting rid of ancient pushrod technology). The Mustangs 4.6 L SOHC is certainly much smaller than it's domestic counterparts, but can really be tuned to put out a lot of power without forced induction. Also add to the fact that Ford incorperated an independent suspension on the Cobra, which the Camaro lack (however, the Corvette has quite a killer independent suspension setup).

Overall, I think America is learning. Many new concept cars are showing the technological abilities of domestic car companies. I would take a Mustang Cobra over a Camaro SS, but I'd wouldn't turn either of them down, they're still very, very, very fun cars to drive. But considering that the Germans and Japanese make such amazing equivalents, America has some homework to do. I don't see how one cannot look at a Nissan Skyline or a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and not marvel at the technological sophistication. Simply put, these cars are amazing and not nearly famous enough. Again, my $0.02

-Joshua

Originally posted by NB8CT


I KNOW RIGHT!!!! I mean look at the top the line Japanese Sports car, the R34 GTR, compared to the top of the line US sports car, either the Viper or Z06, although the R34 may not be a fast, just look at all the technology in that damn car, the US counterparts are like fred flintstone cars man. Needless to say you can make a R34 wack a viper or Z06, both in a straight line as well as the twisties.

Man, go to the Nissan Japan web page, check out the Primera, it has a system in it that when you set it, it will go along untill it senses a car ahead, then it will decell and match speed with that car untill it moves, then your car will speed back up to your set speed. I mean SHITE!!! I read about this sorta stuff in Sci-Fi novels back in the 80s!!!

i think all those options we were given id vote for. i hate civics an accords that have like 56" spoilers on the back, gay ass body kits, and fruity ass stickers that dont mean anything, like "aggressive racing" what the hell does that mean. i wouldnt mind it if there was a purpose, like if you were sponsered or somethin, but if you had those stickers an body kits and gay ass spoiler attached to your moms ricer an have nothin done to the engine or any performance mods, thats the gayest shit, especially when those people talk shit. you see that in phoenix alot. i also dont understand why everyone has to buy Type R badges for there car. i think im just venting, sorry if i offended anyone, i raced a civic with all that crap done to it last night, an dusted his ass, guy was talkin mad shit too. my friend said this to me the other day, it was mean, but at that point, it felt good. Accord an Civics are like tampons, every pussy has one..although it may be mean, an i dont totally agree on that, it just felt good after that race, the guy i raced angered me alot.

its not that i dont like people who drive civics an accords, i like it when people can back there shit up and justify why they have front spoiler kits an 56' inch wings on the back and stickers all over there car that say "aggressive racing"

gonthrax, yea ive seen that in mercedes S600. they have it out too. i think its called distronic, or something like that. its like ultimate cruise control, you can tag a car up ahead like with a 2,3,4 second folllowing distance an your car will match its speed and decel if need be. some wierd stuff, also, in the V12 mercedes engines, if youve been cruising at a certain speed for a certain length of time, the car will shut down half the cylinders in the engine, the car will run on 6 cylinders untill you hit the gas again

i hate the cock suckers at my high skool all driving m3's and tokking shit bout anyone who drive a japanese car. man, i wish i had the money to mod mah ride and somehow smoke them...:sleep:

Originally posted by MaxBoost1990
LS-1, I have to argue on a few points. First off, I own an import speed shop.. Bitstream Racing. In all honesty man, the LS-1 has a few huge probs. 1st) Unreliable as all gettout.. Real prone to wrist pin knock.
2nd) Fuel Economy... The suck gas
3rd) Even with the Supercharger they only push 375 at the wheels. This was a proven test that was done by myself, and the shop that does my machine work for me. We put my 90 Laser Turbo against a friends Camaro after he had his SC, exhaust, and ECM worked on, and we still pushed less than my Laser..And BTW, he has about 28,000 more invested in his vehicle than I do. Why spend 30K+ on a car that is S-L-O-W unless its a luxury car?

Also, the tests were done on a Dynojet Chassis Dyno, and my ride pushed 498@6400 RPM... ON PUMP GAS!!! And it still gets 28+ MPG daily driven

Ummm. Hate to break it to you, but the LS1 doesn't have a problem with wrist pin lock. A very good friend of mine owns a shop that works on only LS1s. He and I have NEVER heard of ANY problem that was even REMOTELY related to any wrist pins. Perhaps you just set up the engine wrong...?
Secondly, 375hp with a blower? HAH. I'm making that on MOTOR!
I guess I shouldnt tell you about the STOCK C5 that put down 500rwhp with only a blower. 7psi pulley and it put down 500rwhp without tuning!

If your friends only making 375rwhp, he should push his car off a cliff.

how do you make a living working on only 1 type of car???? that statement makes me think that you were lying in that whole post, and just trying to outdo the post before yours so you wouldnt sound like an idiot. but thats just what i think, im coming from a neutral standpoint cause i dont know to much aobut ls1's. and i dont know how much hp they have or rpm's so thats just my ideas.. just my thoughts

Dont believe me? That's cool, check out:
www.ls1speed.com

He does a bit of side work on GN's and LT1's, but 97% of his business is on LS1 cars. Vettes, Camaros, Trans Ams.
If you'd like, I can show you a dyno sheet of an LS1 car making 500rwhp with a blower and catback exhaust.
I'm sorry, but if your friends car is only making 375rwhp, and he has a BLOWER, and my cars making more then that on MOTOR, something is seriously wrong....

A stock Camaro/Trans Am will put down between 295-335rwhp bone stock. The more the motor is broken in, the more power it typically makes. With a blower, it should easily be in the upper 400 - lower 500rwhp range.


I guess you could spend 30k on a S-L-O-W car....afterall, I can name a TON of cars available, BRAND NEW in the US for 30k that would BLOW THE F-Body AWAY!

"i retract my previous statement"

Man i just noticed something else that pisses my off about the "scene". i was comming home on the highway and when i took my exit i pulled up next to a really nice JZA80, and i rolled down my window to just tell him he had a nice car. Now my car does not look so hot right now, i have my 14" rusty steel wheels on for the winter and my passenger side headlight is not the same color as my driver side becuase it burnt out and the replacment order hasnt come in yet. He rolled down his window and I told him he had a sweet car and guess what the fucker said... and i quote " nice fucking wheels man, your car looks like shit, get a real car" He rolled up his window and made a right turn on a red and was gone. I swear I wish i coulda just folled him and rammed my "crap car" right into him, but it is still a nice car, just i took my rims off. I hate these pricks that think that they are top shit and that anybody else is under them. i know my Miata has no chance against a Supra (YET!!) but shit show some respect to a fellow car enthusiast. So to the Fucker in the red JZA80 :finger: :flipa: I hope we meet again in a coupke of weeks and you will see what a miata suckin 15lbs of boost can do:finger:

Someone please kill this post! Way too much!! What pisses me off most about the import scene are these posts! Well actually what pisses me off the most is someone that thinks they know stuff about cars when they acually dont. And someone that underestimates or overestimates cars.

What man this thread is like therapy for me, its lets me get it all out:D