I am the one of the only teenagers i know that prefer PURE AMERICAN MUSCLE OVER imported cars." The 60's and 70's muscle cars had over 400 hp and the imported "ricers have ya know anwhere from 100-200(max). What do you look for in a muscle/sporty car Horsepower and max speed or the ground affects and the speackers. You can put groud affects on any car and throw the largest speeckers you can find in the trunk. If you want good mileage and turing just buy a sports sedan of some type. To me it makes no sense why some one would want a "tiny block engine" over a 427/435.

Look at the movies they are making 2 Fast 2 Furious there is a part where they race a Dodge charge and a Chevelle with a mitsubishi evo and spyder eclipse. they race tag team style (one from each team goes first and when it crosses the finish line the second car goes) Obviosly the chager kills the eclipse so tyhe chevelle has a monstous lead but the evo plays a game of chicken and and the driver of the chevelle chickens out first and the evo wins. Is that the lamest way to make iported cars beat muscle cars or what.

And to some, it makes no sense why somebody would want a car that gets 15mpg over one that gets 30mpg.

As you may know, there are fewer old cars in some states than others, for somebody who lives in the "rust belt" it's far wiser to have a newer car, than a late sixties car that you can practically see through.
(though if you live in dryer climate, you've got more options open)

Firstly- Gas mileage why get 9mpg when you can have 30??? As 2stroke said. Secondly- old cars break down too much to be used as a practical alternative to a new Japanese car, secondly Japanese cars are capable of HUGE performance- engines like the 3SGTE, 2JZGTE, 4G63, B16a, B18c, RB26DETT, 20B, SR20DET etc.... Are fast stock- but also have an endless aftermarket- it is not uncommon to see these cars in the 7's and 8's- then there is the fact that all American muscle is good for is the drag strip- these "Ricers" own muscle cars on any road course- simply because in the 60's there wasn't the type of chassis/suspension advancements we have today- hence a big block V8 is only good for oversteer in a muscle car- while newer cars generally are excellent track cars. Perhaps you should try and drive a Japanese car, cut off your mullet, move out of the trailer and get with the times.



by the way- did you know that the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra and the like are domestic cars???? While the Camaro/Firebird is an Import????

If you are going to be representing any thing there is going to be some money invoved. If you want a good mileage car then buy one, but dont put a sterio system in it. The reving of a 454 70' chevelle is music to the ears. Rather than some rap coming out of skyline. If you want a real car to show off you need power. And by the way what is a consistant way do judge the power and speed of a car??? Oh let me think maybe a quarter mile run. And has any one heard of a garage, ya know if you keep it stored with a cover and all that would help a bit. It does not matter where the car was put together but the design and stock engine. How much can you do to a cars engine that has like 3 miles of wires in. You can buy your car and try and top it out but guess what you probably have a restrictor on it. These old cars you could work on your self. Have you seen any prior 90 movies that had high school life in it the most famous Grease. The cars are so simply with out all this extra Sh1t that any one could work on the car with a little expierence.

What is a muscle car in your opinion? Like a nova? A chevelle? Do you know what those cars were marketed as? Those are four door family cruisers. I don't have anything against them, but unless you really like working on your car (in the parking lot when it breaks down) it's more practical for a teenager to have a ricer than a muscle car. My little bro has a 69 chevy 350, and that thing's been broken about 7 times in the past 6 months. A friend has a talon esi, and hasn't had it in the shop once. It's just more practical to have a car that won't break because the parts aren't 40 years old. Don't get me wrong, I love american muscle, but it's just too much of a hastle as a broke h.s. student to handle a 40yr old car, vs an accord which will get 300k miles with very minor work done to the car.

If you want a good mileage car then buy one, but dont put a sterio system in it.

Why not? hell, I know a dozen people who know jack all about cars, care even less and have never seen any movies about cars that want to upgrade their stereo because they like music.

The reving of a 454 70' chevelle is music to the ears. Rather than some rap coming out of skyline.

I agree that a 454 sounds great, although I don't see the difference between one in a chevelle or a bettle for that matter. Also you seem to have a distaste for rap, people have different tastes, get over it.

If you want a real car to show off you need power.

If you are insecure enough to need a car to show off theres something wrong...

And by the way what is a consistant way do judge the power and speed of a car??? Oh let me think maybe a quarter mile run.

Hmmm, yeah the 1/4 is a great way to judge how well a car is setup to gee, I don't know, run the 1/4 mile? Quarter mile times mean absolutely nothing to anyone but someone who drag races. What does it matter how quickly you can accelerate from a stop through exactly one quarter of a mile to someone who road races, or participates in autocross?

How much can you do to a cars engine that has like 3 miles of wires in.

Lots! Infact, it's a lot easier and cheaper to change computer code and settings than to have to buy new carbeurater parts and install them. Electronic management is one of the best things to happen to cars ever, period. Especially from a performance point of view. You just have to not be stupid.

Have you seen any prior 90 movies that had high school life in it the most famous Grease. The cars are so simply with out all this extra Sh1t that any one could work on the car with a little expierence

Ok newsflash, movies aren't reality. Saying that since Danny and the gang could build the fastest car in town in their spare time means that anyone in real life can is analogous with saying that since Mr. Wonka's elevator could fly then all I have to do is go down to the bank, step into the elevator and start hitting all the buttons and WHOOSH! I'm off the spacestation.

hell yeah.. go canadian dude!

I know you can easily modify the "chips" in ricers and any car witha "chip" in it in fact. But look at the other shit like actually putting a larger motor in it. that is a little bit tricky. All my point was that these old engines are simple but still have power and look at any ricers unless you have some pretty good teachings you take it to a shop. My main point though is that these muscles cars are also apart of you the time you worked on them "put a new carburator in them" or even change the oil your self.

Every one knows these cars aren't for regular driving. If want to drive a muscle car to school every day that is fine, but that is not the point. Seriously if you drive a muscle car to school every day dont even reply to anything on this tread. These cars are special. You know you can have more than one car.

If you think a 454 chevelle and a Beetle sound the same you have problems. And in fact guess what, i like rap. But i dont stand next to my car with the windows down playing it load as i can thinking i am cool.

The kid that posted this doesnt even have a car yet. Last time I checked, even a rusty, old jap car would stomp a BMX in the 1/4 mile.

Chevelles and novas were family cars. But guess what a 454 SS in not and that is what we are talking about.

I know these cars do have troubles but you do not use them for every day driving use. Maybe if you are in a cruise, at a carshow, or just want the room to have fun with a girl in the backseat. :smile: You can have more than one car you know and do not even talk about prices because you have to work for these kind of things.

Well it is not the type of music ,i like rap myslef, but it is how they do it. Ok there is some one standing next to thier honda civic with the windows down and have music as load as it can go. And also there is a guy standing next to his Hemi Cuda with it running. It is not like showing off. It is saying see my car it has 200 more hospower than yours haha. This is my perspective of it. And by the way if you think a Beetle sounds as good as a 454 you have problems.

We are not talking about road racers though we are talking about just people in particular no need to get specific. I could say the same thing about a ricer and a dragracer.

Movie are infact not reality but still it is getting a point though a little more claerly. And yes people were able to work on there own car. Unlike the cars today, unless you are putting tires on them, you need to take them to the shop. When you put a new motor in your car or even change the oil the car is apart of you. All the work you put into your car makes it all the nicer.

Oh hell yeah... Go american

Look at the movies they are making 2 Fast 2 Furious there is a part where they race a Dodge charge and a Chevelle with a mitsubishi evo and spyder eclipse.


First off Mr. Muslcecarwanna be...


If you're going to make an arguement on this sorta thing at least get your f'in facts straight. :nono:

It wasn't a Dodge Charger, it was a clone '71 Dodge Hemi Challenger.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/dodge-challenger/images/dodge-challenger-1971c.jpg


And... Chevelle?... Dude... it was a clone '69 Yenko 427 Camaro.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-yenko-1969b.jpg



You don't know dick... Please leave.

ok it was not a dodge chager and a chevelle but guess what i never seen the movie i read about it on some web site. Guess what it wasn't my fault it was my sources. And i think you need to calm down a little, at least i have my head staight compared to some others. Theres kids i know that do not even know what a nova, roadrunner, or baracuda is. Even if they are a challenger and a camaro does the point of the story change??? i think not.

Why don't you go rent the movie? If you watch that scene where they do the race for pink slips. They openly admit that they cannot beat the Muscle cars in a straight line.


And the point of the story here is, and I'll say it real slow for you...

Muslce cars.

Areee.

Nottt.

The best.

Carsss.

Everrrr.


You've gotta realise that newer generation cars have so much going for them now days. 35 years of automotive advancement doesn't hurt.

I love my Nova, it's a cool car. But it is by no means the sweetest thing around. It's going to get about 9mpg with the 383 motor. It's going to run hot cause of compression, it'll most likely be tempermental due to weather because it's carbureted.

I'd really like to have myself a 4th Gen Camaro, but that'd kill me in insurance and the initial cost of buying one.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of muscle cars and that entire era of American automotive history. But I know the limits of muscle cars, and modern cars of any make can be made just as fast or faster and handle better... and lets not forget getting better milege.

if you have read the full tread you have seen we already discussed mileage. But i am not saying buy one of these to drive around for permanant use. Of course mileage is bad on them(brought up 3 times). Every one has diffeerant point of veiws than you and that is all there is too it. With out differant points of veiw there would be nothin to argue about. please read the rest of the replys before you reply again.

please buy a car before you reply again.

if you have read the full tread you have seen we already discussed mileage. But i am not saying buy one of these to drive around for permanant use. Of course mileage is bad on them(brought up 3 times). Every one has diffeerant point of veiws than you and that is all there is too it. With out differant points of veiw there would be nothin to argue about. please read the rest of the replys before you reply again.


Dude, you totally missed the point of what he said, maybe you should read the thread again. BTW, Im pretty sure Redneck knows what he's talking about. Blaming your source isnt an excuse, be sure about something when you post it, if you dont know whether your source is reputable, check another site for verification. Anyways, let's all stop bickering, it will get us nowhere.

wow your cool please get a life before you reply again

Dude, you totally missed the point of what he said, maybe you should read the thread again. BTW, Im pretty sure Redneck knows what he's talking about. Blaming your source isnt an excuse, be sure about something when you post it, if you dont know whether your source is reputable, check another site for verification. Anyways, let's all stop bickering, it will get us nowhere.

Ok my source was reputable but guess what if you can read i already said think about it does it mater what muscle car i put in there the point stays the same. :2cents: Please read the responses

wow your cool please get a life before you reply again


:loser: :lol2: Thanks for the advice :newbie: Im done with this, you're just too cool for me, anyways I guess I probably ought get started on finding that life :lol: :lol: :lol: .

And by the way if you think a Beetle sounds as good as a 454 you have problems.

Just to clarify, I was saying that theres no difference in sound between a chevelle with a 454 and a beetle with a 454.

wow your cool please get a life before you reply again

Man.. this is the kinda attitude that get's threads locked, and people banned. You need to just open your mind, and realize yeah, there are some badass detroit strokers, but there are also some badass "ricers" out there. I have a friend here in colo that has a gen 2 eclipse, and is a part of what's called club dsm.. his eclipse has none of that "ricer" crap on it, and has been modified under the hood so much that he can't name all the stuff he's done to it. It get's 13.5 in the 1/4... if you're one of those fast and furious b!tches, you're probably thinking well that charger got the 1/4 in 9 seconds... bs... bs... bs. This eclipse at 13.5 w/o nitrous is quicker than a corvette in the 1/4 mile... so yeah, it is quick. Man, you can take just about any friggen car you want and make it enjoyable for you to drive, whether it be a low rider, a ricer, or a muscle car. So don't rip on other's choices, just open your mind.

I am the one of the only teenagers i know that prefer PURE AMERICAN MUSCLE OVER imported cars." The 60's and 70's muscle cars had over 400 hp and the imported "ricers have ya know anwhere from 100-200(max). What do you look for in a muscle/sporty car Horsepower and max speed or the ground affects and the speackers. You can put groud affects on any car and throw the largest speeckers you can find in the trunk. If you want good mileage and turing just buy a sports sedan of some type. To me it makes no sense why some one would want a "tiny block engine" over a 427/435.

Look at the movies they are making 2 Fast 2 Furious there is a part where they race a Dodge charge and a Chevelle with a mitsubishi evo and spyder eclipse. they race tag team style (one from each team goes first and when it crosses the finish line the second car goes) Obviosly the chager kills the eclipse so tyhe chevelle has a monstous lead but the evo plays a game of chicken and and the driver of the chevelle chickens out first and the evo wins. Is that the lamest way to make iported cars beat muscle cars or what.

Son, please come back when you have faced the REAL LIFE of owning a car. That would include payments, insurance, PAYING FOR GAS, fixing problems, driving for hours in relative comfort, the suspension of your car in relation to the roads you drive. If you are some spoiled little brat that'll get all this paid for, then get the fucking car you're yapping about, and come back, otherwise, your just an opinion in a board that's already full of them (we don't need any more).

This is what I have: I won't ban you right now...unless somebody else got you already...BUT, your next post WILL be a post of how you finally got the car you've always wanted (musclecar, I'm assuming), and how you finally grew pubic hair, or I WILL ban you for being useless.