RX-7 vs. 3000gt

Now i know i am a newbie but i need to know.... if u got a top of the line rx-7 and a toop of the line 3000gt vr-4 which on would win in a race???

not sure, but i think the RX would win... the 3000gt was a HEAVY ass car!

I think this was posted liek two days ago and i think the general consensus was vr4....

I stand corrected....:rolleyes:


ahh well.... can't be right all the time...:D

off the line the vr4 would definetley win but its a hell of a lot easier to modify an rx7

3kgt vr-4 will basically destroy anything. with a little $3 thingy and an intake it can beat a skyline.

rx-7 is much lighter and corners a LOT better than the 3k.

Originally posted by blatch
3kgt vr-4 will basically destroy anything. with a little $3 thingy and an intake it can beat a skyline.

rx-7 is much lighter and corners a LOT better than the 3k.

I hate to burst your buble but the 3000GT is probably the biggest pig of wannabe sports made. Why?? It weights nearly 4,000 pounds, The engine is not very reliable and hard to modify, Handles like a school bus, even with suspension, Its a great car if you live up north in where it snows alot. And it will not Destroy anything, A Supra with minor mods will kill that thing in a heart beat, Supra are probably the best car to modify from japan that we get in the US. They can easily make 550HP and up. The 3000GT in the other hand will take alot of money and you will be breaking the drivetrain all the time, AWD dont mean shit, Put some fatty R compound tires of any high powered RWD car and you will have neck snapping launches..The RX7 i wont even go there, that car is just a work of art, 50/50 Weight distribution, Lightest of the pack at only 2,760 pounds, Double Wishbone Aluminum Suspension all around, Rotary twin turbo engine which can easily be modded.. Horsepower to Weight Ratio will always win, The 3000GT has a huge mountain to climb with its weight near 4000 pounds. And the SKyline comment you made was just simply ignorant and shows how little you know about cars. How many 7 second 3000GTS have you seen?? theres plenty of R32s and R33s running those times, The fastest 3000GT in the US can barely run 10s..$3 dollar thingy you mention i assume its a home made boost controller, Sure that will make the turbo generate more PSI, but that will cause engine damage, its not just turning up the boost, and a intake. You have to add more fuel, better ignition system, reinforce the engine components, FMIC..Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about and probably drive a Civic with a bunch of VTEC stickers on it and Loud Tip..To answer the question, the last 3000GT VR4 that came to the US was rated at 320HP with 0-60 at 4.8secs and 1/4 at 13.8 secs, The RX-7 came with 255HP 0-60 in 5.0 to 5.2 secs, 1/4 mile times of 13.9-14.0. SO in stock form the 3000GT VR4 was faster by very little, the RX7 however with a DP, Full Exhaust, and a K&N twin intake kit will easily run mid 13s, if you start adding more mods it will by far eat up the 3000GT VR4. both in straights and in the turns. Look at who the fastest import in the world currently drives..thats right a RX7 with very low 7 sec times in 1/4

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Jose hit it right on the nose. Hell just the name alone gives it away: 3000GT . It's a grand touring car more than anything. It has a back seat too which means it's not truly a sports car. Altered Atmosphere Motorsports (www.alteredatmosphere.com) is very close to where I live and they have what they claim is the world's fastest 3KGT/Stealth and it's only in the mid-high 10's which isn't very impressive considering how much dough it looks like they dumped into it. I will say though that the 3KGT/Stealth is a very comfortable and relatively quick car, but as far as pure performance goes the RX-7 will walk all over it any day of the week...unless it's snow racing :D The real DSM sports car IMHO are the 1g AWD Talons and Eclipse' (the 2G's are chick cars IMO). They're relatively light (3200lbs give or take), kinda sorta quick in stock form, but ultimately they can be modded easily and cheaply to put down some pretty nice hp #'s. Plus the 1g's look kinda good too...like a pseudo rally car almost. I'm looking at getting one of 'em myself in the next week or two if I can't find a nice Celica All Trac.

The RX-7 is by far the superior vehicle. I have seen one beat bullet bikes and trailor cars. As for the original question though it barely goes to the 3kgt. Now the same guy sold that and bought a skyline and that is almost faster than his rx-7 now

i have an S2000 and am buying a slightly modified 3rd gen here soon. Many people who have stock 3rd gen's run high 4's 0-60 and low 13's in the 1/4. The magazine sucked at driving it, because it is not super simple to launch....much easier then my S2000 though!! :) With an exhaust system on an TT Rx-7 (full 3 inch with downpipe, but keeping the Cat, but getting rid of the pre-cat) you can gain upward of 30RWHP. This is because you free up the exhaust and the Turbo's will generate more PSI. The stock waste gate is only good for about 12psi though, so you have to be careful modding to much. You can also make your own boost controller with a part from home depot for $20...then you can run upwards of 17 psi reliably...that is what I would call a simple cheap mod!! :) It gives you serious HP gains also.

Z06Lover: I like ur enthusiasm about the FD but you really need to do more research.
I just recently purchased a '94 FD in stock form, inside of 2 months I added a Pettit AST (reliability mod), SS DP, SS CB, modified my stock airbox + K&N oem filter and installed an Apexi Power FC. Supposedly with these mods Im running somewhere arnd 300 RWHP. In stock form the turbos run at 10# Im now running 12#. The consensus is anymore boost than that a fuel pump and secondaries shld be upgraded. And from what Ive learned in the past 3 months........there is NO way you can run 17# on my set-up let alone what you mentioned. If ur lucky, you can go close to 14# reliably w/ the stock turbos but I wld still upgrade my secondaries in the very least.

Guys the only thing that sucks about these cars is its a tempermental machine. however if things are done smart and carefuly planned out the car can and will HAMMER! :sun:

Originally posted by 3rdGenLuvr
Z06Lover: I like ur enthusiasm about the FD but you really need to do more research.
I just recently purchased a '94 FD in stock form, inside of 2 months I added a Pettit AST (reliability mod), SS DP, SS CB, modified my stock airbox + K&N oem filter and installed an Apexi Power FC. Supposedly with these mods Im running somewhere arnd 300 RWHP. In stock form the turbos run at 10# Im now running 12#. The consensus is anymore boost than that a fuel pump and secondaries shld be upgraded. And from what Ive learned in the past 3 months........there is NO way you can run 17# on my set-up let alone what you mentioned. If ur lucky, you can go close to 14# reliably w/ the stock turbos but I wld still upgrade my secondaries in the very least.

Guys the only thing that sucks about these cars is its a tempermental machine. however if things are done smart and carefuly planned out the car can and will HAMMER! :sun:

well, you didn't really understand what i posted. I said with that home depot boost controller you can run up to 17 psi reliably. I didn't say all you have to do is put the homemade boost controller on and you can run 17 psi. I was saying that the home depot boost controller is works well enough to run up to 17 psi with it..that's it. I know if you wanted to run 17 psi you would have to go to a single turbo conversion, not to mention new ECU, IC and a bunch of other crap!! :)

You can also make your own boost controller with a part from home depot for $20...then you can run upwards of 17 psi reliably...that is what I would call a simple cheap mod!! It gives you serious HP gains also.

Ohhhhhhh ok! I didnt know you meant it like that, silly me I shld of been able to read ur mind a bit better than that. I guess it was the "that is what I would call a simple cheap mod" comment that thru me off.:D

Originally posted by 3rdGenLuvr


Ohhhhhhh ok! I didnt know you meant it like that, silly me I shld of been able to read ur mind a bit better than that. I guess it was the "that is what I would call a simple cheap mod" comment that thru me off.:D

i re-read my post...it was unclear...stupid internet!! :D
I meant compared to most manual boost controllers the home depot one is a cheap mod. anyway....cool car. I think i will be buying one this week. wish me luck!! :frog:

The Home Depot needle valve boost controller isn't quite as wonderful as you may think. It's pretty inacurate and hard to tune. I had them on mine and I could never get the boost quite right. To run 17lbs you'd definately need upgraded turbos, but I've known of a few guys that have run that much on stockers with okay results, but that's actually at the bleeding edge of their efficiency. Good luck with your purchase Z06, but definately make sure you research the cars A LOT and get it checked out by a qualified rotary specialist before buying one. It's nothing like purchasing an S2000 or Vette. Check out www.scuderiaciriani.com for a buyers guide and TONS of info on them before just plunking your money down unless you have a lot of it to throw around ;)

josedi!!!! You really don't know what your talking about. You really don't. I can't even believe you think the Rx-7 is sooo much better than the 3000GT Vr4. When the Vr4 came out in 91' it was one of the fastest cars in the world. Not even the corvettes could touch them. The combination between the twin turbo and the all wheel drive is mind blowing!!! I don't know where your getting your information, but for a RX-7 to become a 9 second car you would have to get an engine swap. The stock RX-7 engine couldn't handle more than 900 hp. The 3000GT can run 9's with the same engine it was built with. For you to dis the 3000GT is a huge mistake and you need to do your research. I would put my life savings on the 3000GT Vr4 if it raced an RX-7. I don't have anything against the RX-7, heck it's a great car, but i'm sorry, your wrong about the 3000GT. For you to make that statement, i know you haven't driven a VR4. Because they will blow you mind...

And the other guy who said that the 3000GT isn't a sportcar because it had backseats! You have to be the stupidest person alive. Your telling me that the 1969 Z28 Camero isn't a sport car. It has backseats, and what do you know, it pushes 450 hp STOCK!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!

Here is a a rotary is capable of:

Keep in mind this isnt even a FD or 3rd gen engine its a second gen engine with a street port pushing 25 PSI.

http://www.jims5543.com/gallery/album03

I am still waiting to meet a VR-4 that can even run close to me. I used to get nervous when I came upon one on the street. Now I smirk knowing what is going to happen.

josedi!!!! You really don't know what your talking about. You really don't. I can't even believe you think the Rx-7 is sooo much better than the 3000GT Vr4. When the Vr4 came out in 91' it was one of the fastest cars in the world. Not even the corvettes could touch them. The combination between the twin turbo and the all wheel drive is mind blowing!!! I don't know where your getting your information, but for a RX-7 to become a 9 second car you would have to get an engine swap. The stock RX-7 engine couldn't handle more than 900 hp. The 3000GT can run 9's with the same engine it was built with. For you to dis the 3000GT is a huge mistake and you need to do your research. I would put my life savings on the 3000GT Vr4 if it raced an RX-7. I don't have anything against the RX-7, heck it's a great car, but i'm sorry, your wrong about the 3000GT. For you to make that statement, i know you haven't driven a VR4. Because they will blow you mind...

And the other guy who said that the 3000GT isn't a sportcar because it had backseats! You have to be the stupidest person alive. Your telling me that the 1969 Z28 Camero isn't a sport car. It has backseats, and what do you know, it pushes 450 hp STOCK!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!

Wow you sound like an enthusiast with no facts to back yourself up, what exactly did you disagree with Jose on? Lets see, his points were...

1. Its overweight: And it is...
2. Handles poorly: And it does, AWD is only a superior layout in off weather, a 50:50 weight distro FR or MR will outcorner the understeering AWDs (with the exception of those with Skyline-esque drivetrains)
3. It will not kill anything: there are many a faster car, and many a car that will get significantly better power to weight gains per mod.
4. The RX-7 is a cornering masterpiece: And it is...
5. Its not a sports car: Its not, its a Grand Touring car, do your homework kid...

did no one notice that this thread is 3 years old? either way, the RX would totaly dominate, VR0-4s are just too heavy and produce too little power to compensate for that. All wheel steering will only get you so far when you're pushing that kind of weight around.

yea... december of 2001 this was started, why open it and just argue?

drag strip, the vr-4 could take the rx-7 I think, just because AWD will get it off the line quick, but in a road coarse the rx-7 will kill the vr-4, heck it might even lap it (sarcasam)

Vr4Joe:Wen the Vr4 came out in 91' it was one of the fastest cars in the world : LOL u a funny guy man VR4 fastest car in tha world~!!! man GTR's Own BACK THEN did u know that??~!!! =D and a Corvette will eat up vr4s like nothin knowin that i dont like Boats either

VR4Joe: When do you graduate HS?
You are such a riot! LMAO! What put me over the edge was this>
"Your telling me that the 1969 Z28 Camero isn't a sport car. It has backseats, and what do you know, it pushes 450 hp STOCK!!"

Can you say muscle car? Camaro's were NEVER considered a true 'sports' car you dope! I dont care how much HP it had/has! LOL

wasn't this thread locked? this is freakin old... but to make a point, if you went by horsepower...

http://www.supercars.net/cars/1995@$Renault@$Espace%20F1%20Conceptg.html

don't tell me that's a sportscar because it has 800 hp... that's a minivan if i ever saw one. 3rdgenluvr is right, camaros were never sports cars, they've always been considered "compact cars" that's why you can get one from a rental place.

i just got a 93 rx-7 and its completely stock.i just purchased the car about 2 weeks ago and i can say im very satisfied with its power and handling and i know this doesnt really count but ive raced my freind who happens to have a vr-4(i have a little car crew) his has a hks exaust system and i still won bye about 3 cars either hes a crappy driver(hes really not) or my car is just that damn fast and id also like to correct some of the stats you guys posted cause i was at the track last saterday and i 0-60 in 4.98secs and my best 1/4 et was 13.471 secs i wish i had a scanner to post the pix i still have the slips hopefully ill get one soon and also im familiar with rotary engines but not an expert so what should my first modefication be.thanx

DarkNite23: Congrats on the new purchase!
Im not sure if ur familiar with this SITE (http://www.rx7club.com/) but it is a MUST see if you want to learn everythng there is to learn about that car, including all the recommended RELIABILTY mods and performance mods.
If you have any specific questions dont hesitate to email me direct!

Gdluck!

yes the 1/4 times are more like in the mid 13's stock, also a friend of mine has a 94 vr-4 and couldnt even pull hard from a mazda protege. how bad is that no joke. i think personally 3000gt's are shitty cars and should be taken off the maket!

3000gt's would be pretty decent cars if they went on a diet and shed about 500 lbs(atleast) but I'd still rather have a rx-7 :)

3000gt would only be decent if it lost aleast 500 lb and was RWD based instead of FWD based like it is.

3000gt would only be decent if it lost aleast 500 lb and was RWD based instead of FWD based like it is.


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