What counties have the best Automakers?


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LiuBei
12-04-2001, 09:30 PM
What county do you think has the automakers that make the best cars?
Feel free to comment.

:licker:

LiuBei
12-05-2001, 12:17 AM
All you guy viewing but not voting:confused:

Any suggestions?

MattyG
12-05-2001, 12:20 AM
I voted Germany...their cars have what every other countries cars have and gobs more. The possible exception being Italian cars.....but I think I would still go for German Engineering.

MattyG
12-05-2001, 12:21 AM
You forgot Australia as well!!!!!! ....not that I'd vote for it. Haha.

GOD
12-05-2001, 02:15 AM
I'm sorry i luv honda's/acura's and Lexus but the germans are just too damn good Mercedes/Bmw :( I know i own a jap trap but the german cars are really in a class of there own .

RazorGTR
12-05-2001, 03:44 AM
I thought about Germany but after getting first hand behind the wheel of a GTR I thought otherwise

LiuBei
12-05-2001, 11:13 AM
Here is a little somthun for yous guys.

file:///C:/My%20Documents/Kevin/reliable

LiuBei
12-05-2001, 11:31 AM
Lexus has been named tops in reliability, durability, and longlivety by JD Power and Associates in a study I found. I went to the JD Power site and found that Lexus has won numerous awards over the past decade or so. Like being the top Nameplate in the industry for overall quality every year they've been eligible {1995-2001}. In a link below it it stated that the 2001 LS430 is the highest rated vehicle.

Honda and Acura may not be at the top of the chart with Lex, but they recieved {I'd bet} the second most awards. Also notice how some partner companies are spread in the chart, like how Infiniti is at the top and Nissan is at the bottom. Kinda makes you wonder. BTW, you also need to consider the saftey aspect. I believe that most Honda and Toyota models dominate their respective classes for crash test ratings. For more go to the JD Power site.

01 LS430 (http://autoweek.com/search/search_display.mv?port_code=&cat_code=carnews&content_code=08842118&Search_Type=STD&Search_ID=263224&record=6)

JD Power site (jdpa.com)

For crash test ratings. (http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ratings.htm)

Polygon
12-05-2001, 12:00 PM
All my fav cars come out of these countries.

America
Japan
Britain
Germany
Italy

To me it is hard to pick.

3.5litermoose
12-06-2001, 10:19 PM
It came down to Germany and Italy for me, but Italian supercars beat out those killer engineering skills of the Germans. Ferraris have been my favorite cars for a long time, since i was a wee boy and didnt know a damn thing about cars. But i knew that ferraris were sweet, and they went fast.

USA Racer
12-14-2001, 11:33 PM
They all have good automakers. Each country has an excellent manufactuer. :) Japan quite possibly makes the best, *in general*, cars to today. They are engineered nearly aswell as German cars. But German cars tend to be overengineered nowadays. Mostly because the idiots at Chrysler joined Daimler. Know DCX is draining all that money and putting it in Mercades. They are too good to be true. That 'forces' a lot of other German manufactures to give more for the money like MB is doing. Sad but true. AMC, the cool Jeeps, and the real Hemis are probably gone forever... Japanese cars on teh other hand offer a lot for the driver. Honda (yes, don't laugh you fools) offers not only some of the best motorcycles in the world, they make some of the best ULEVs around. And they also offer semi-great and great driver cars aswell. S2000. NSX. Even the American Acura line up has some pretty good deals.

Europe is usually on top of everything and they make, by far, the best cars, but in general, Japanese cars tend to offer nearly as much with out the higher price tag, which is usually, on Euro cars, their because of gimmics and fancy 'junk' that's not even worth is most of the time.

American cars used to be on top... But sadly in the 80's and early 90's things kinda went downward... for the car fan atleast... GM and Ford are selling a bunch of trucks and suvs which are great vehicles but where in the heck is the tradional rear-wheel drive 2-door sports cars? But, good news.... :D American companys have finally gotten off their rear and changing things....
Oh and AMERICAN companys sell awesome cars round the globe and not here.... that's gotta stop... I'm sure some American's would like an Escort Cosworth... a Falcon XR6/8, or an HSV Clubsport R8... !!!! :p


To answer the question... I say America has the best Automakers. They just aren't usuing their full potential... like idiots.

And Europeans always make great cars...

But (!!) if you what a great car, with above average everything, and an average price get a Japanese car. The Acura RSX-S, Subaru WRX, Lexus IS300, and Honda S2000, are all great drivers cars that give you thrils and fun with out a $70k German price tag.

... I'd rather have a pony car though... :D lol ;)

Polygon
12-16-2001, 11:52 AM
Well, USA Racer, don;t get your hopes down. Chrysler is not owned by Daimler, nor is Daimler owned by Chrysler. They simply merged to increase eachothers sales in the U.S. and Germany. Chrysler is still Chrysler.

USA Racer
12-16-2001, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Polygon
Well, USA Racer, don;t get your hopes down. Chrysler is not owned by Daimler, nor is Daimler owned by Chrysler. They simply merged to increase eachothers sales in the U.S. and Germany. Chrysler is still Chrysler.

Yes but the so called merger is pulling Chrysler down almost killing it. ALL the money usually goes to Mercades Benz. Sad but true. :(

Jimster
12-16-2001, 09:57 PM
France of course, I love thier high-tech wonder-mobiles

del
12-16-2001, 10:17 PM
engineering/technology award definately goes to germany. economical, reliable and sensible transportation goes to japan.

LiuBei
12-21-2001, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by del
engineering/technology award definately goes to germany. economical, reliable and sensible transportation goes to japan.

I dissagree with technology going to germany. Engineering/Performance to Germany, technology etc. goes to Japan. 2 good examples Lexus LS430 and Infiniti Q45. On the other hand the MB CL600, its tight but I think I would give it to Japan.

Andre the Giant
12-21-2001, 01:38 PM
Don't forget Yugoslavia... The Yugo man.... That car ROCKS!!!http://members.tripod.com/yugopwr/id43.htm

Euro19
12-24-2001, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Andre the Giant
Don't forget Yugoslavia... The Yugo man.... That car ROCKS!!!http://members.tripod.com/yugopwr/id43.htm

Are you kidding?

Euro19
12-24-2001, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Andre the Giant
Don't forget Yugoslavia... The Yugo man.... That car ROCKS!!!http://members.tripod.com/yugopwr/id43.htm

Are you kidding?
Well maybe if he forgot Yugoslavia he forgot Rusia too, they make Ladas!!! :bloated:

Euro19
12-24-2001, 01:26 AM
I donīt know, thatīs a tough one. I like japanesse best cause:
1) Engineering
2) More accesible than german cars
3) Reliability certainly
4) Donīt remeber what else

I like americans too; like Ford. Italian styling. Korean features for the buck. Sweedish safety (Volvo)

So....
I like īem all!

Andre the Giant
01-02-2002, 09:21 AM
My comment about the Yugo was just a joke. I might be crazy but I'm not THAT crazy!:)

S Brake
01-08-2002, 10:59 PM
Italy

moe182
01-15-2002, 06:43 PM
Italy, hands down.
No one builds a car with more passion then the Italians.....
THIS is what the Japenese lack, thats why i hate the LS, and SC's and even the germans (second place winners) lack this......they're amazing engineers but they're cars a generally "cold" i mean look at the new 7 series interior....
When the italians build a car, its more a piece of art, and to me it shows.
Examples the 550 and 360....

Da Hawxxx
02-05-2002, 02:23 PM
1. Germany ( nice packaging )
2. Italy ( design goes over functionality )
3. Japan ( knocking on the door...... )

gang$tarr
02-05-2002, 03:17 PM
italy..... with the rip and snort of Ferrari

crayzayjay
02-06-2002, 04:30 PM
German cars are best engineered:
Porsche, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, VW. Nuff said.
Italians have most driver appeal IMO. Ferrari, Alfa, Lancia...
Japanese cars, no matter how capable, have no character whatsoever. Thats what comes of stealing designs and imitating the Europeans

cheers
jay

mastachi
02-08-2002, 02:20 PM
I used to live in germany..although price is to pay. german cars conquer everything on the road, from engineering, luxury, quality, power, styling, fuckin awesome..

crayzayjay
02-09-2002, 10:54 AM
You said it. although they are criticised for one thing, along with the Japs. however capable their cars are they dont have enough character which to some extent is true. the 911 is losing some its 911-ness and 3-series BMW's are getting less fun. still, theyre the best cars in the world IMO.

cheers,
jay

Dodrive_it
05-09-2002, 08:23 AM
ITALY all the way man!!

and not just coz I'm italian...:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Sure, Ferraris, Maseratis, Lamborghinis, Lancias or Alfas aren't the fastest, nor the best handling cars available 2day, nor necessarily the best built either, but, IMHO,
WHO CARES?? LOL

I think it's a question of tradition that's behind those badges: Italian manufacturers have always been on the fore of motoring competition throughout the century; think of the Lancia Deltas that ruled the world of rallies for 5 seasons ina row not that long ago, of the F1 Alfas with their tiny 1.6L turbocharged engines pushingout something like 800hp, not to mention the F2002 and the previous F1 cars that are showing the world what Italian technology is capable of....hahahaha11 :lol2:

Mr_Root
05-14-2002, 11:42 AM
Talking about Italy you guys think about their supercars. But the question was not only about that cathegory. Remember that Italians also manufacture the lame Fiats, ugly Lancias and nice looking but really fucked up manufactured Alfas.
My pick goes to Germany for the best cars ever but sometims with lack of reliability (BMW's) and Japan for the best reliability but lack in personality.

crayzayjay
05-14-2002, 03:16 PM
Mr_Root>

congratulations, what an amusing post.

FIAT's are lame, you say. Why exactly? You can't just say it without a reason.

Lancias are ugly. Ok, but that's just your opinion, and it doesnt make them bad cars does it..

Alfa's are fucked up... gee, what moronic reason will you give for that lovely statement?

Come on, you really seem to have it in for Italian cars, so for my amusement please come up for some reasons why Ferrari's, Maserati's, Bugatti's and Lambo's are crap. Much appreciated

I cant believe we agree on Germany but then you say BMW are unreliable. Hilarious

Mr_Root
05-15-2002, 05:50 AM
Well well well, what a great reply! You happend to be am italian fanatic. I assume you eat noting but a pizza or pasta, drive an italian car and have the Benito Mussolini picture beside your bed :))))

But seriously I'll explain why I wrote my statement.

A very good friend of mine is a Fiat and Alpha dealer so I have a pretty good chance to test drive some of the cars. I tested Fiat Brava, Bravo, Palio Weekend, Seicento. Really, they are cheap not only in price but in design. You just feel the bad build quality in everything you touch. They break quite often. Sometimes after 1000 km you just HAVE to back to the service for some repairs! Can you imagine? NEW CARS!
Alpha's are great from the outside but the inside... really you have a strange mishmash of real great design with cheap fiat like details. Cool speed and rev meters in the front and really lame placed and made el. window switches in the middle. And the gear stick... allways too far to reach. I'm a toll guy 193 cm and a friend of mine is 176 cm and we both have to really hard put our hands forward to reach the gear shift. This is the thing all Alphas I checked out. On a british automotive program "Top Gear" they said it's a "tipicall italian driving position" :)

Lancias. Hmmmm... Never seen one from the inside and never driven one of them. But all I can see is an ugly car. I can't help it. For me Lancias are UGLY!

Talking about BMW's unreliability... I have 1996 Z3 1.9 Roadster. Before I have had 95 728i. Let's see... both those cars had the same problems with cooling system, power steering pump broke also in both, the rear suspention in the 7'th is very weak and some parts must be replaced regulary, lapms in the dashboard brake in both cars... the list can go on. Am I alone in the complaints about BMW? No! They are great but delicate cars! I used to drive Hondas (2 Accords, CRX, CRX Del Sol, 2 Preludes) and they NEVER broke that much!

So... what I wrote is not something I made up. This is my point of view I came up after test driving, looking at, driwing reagulary or talking to my friends who have such cars. Better try to watch what you're saing or rather writing about.

Good luck and watch it. Eating to much pizza can be dangerous to your health hehe :))))

Regards

crayzayjay
05-15-2002, 08:22 AM
Well, i do love pizza, and pasta, but i dont drive an italian car nor do i have a picture of Mussolini beside my bed!

If theres one thing i try to do its watch what im saying. If i came across a little strong, here's why:

Driven several Alfa's (not alpha's), all fun to drive, excellent engines, sumptuous interiors (the new ones), and no trace of bad build. Strange driving position I will hand to you, but that wasnt enough to make me think the cars i drove were bad

To be honest, I havent driven either the Bravo or Brava, but i can tell you the Fiat Coupe is excellent to drive and doesnt seem to be as unreliable as you say, at least in my friend's experience.

You have passed judgement on Lancias without having driven one or sat in one. I refer you to the Lancia Delta Integrale EVO, one of the finest road cars of all time and the most successful WRC car of all time. You might find it ugly, but drive it once and you'll want one.


Back to BMW, two of our last 4 cars in the family have been Bee Em's and in the 4 years we owned the first it was flawless, the second one gave us one (very) minor and cheap-to-fix problem in 7 years experience.. I call that reliable

So just as you said, what I wrote is not something I made up. This is my point of view after test driving, looking at, driving regulary or talking to my friends who have such cars. Better try to watch what you're saing or rather writing about. ;)

Mr_Root
05-15-2002, 08:35 AM
OK... so we have different pionts of view on the cars we are talking about based on two different experiences... cool... now shake hands and go for a beer :D

What ya Smoking?!?
06-18-2002, 07:01 PM
ima going wit germany!:bandit: :smoka: :smoker2: :ylsuper

Ando_Rules
06-18-2002, 07:09 PM
GErmany, Italy, and Britain r the best car makers but i choose italy because i love ferrairs maseratis and lambo's

Porsche911T
09-01-2002, 01:12 AM
Don't forget Yugoslavia... The Yugo man.... That car ROCKS!!!
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Are you kidding?

ehh no offense, daewoos are the kinda the yugos of today..

My vote goes to Germany. They have everything, super cars, economy cars, beautiful cars that were all show no go (Volkswagen Karmann Ghia) beautiful cars that will scare the shit out of you (Porsche Turbos) kampers, the old beetle, cars that ranged from 800 dollars to 1,000,000 dollars. They have everything for ever different person.

What about Poland? Polonez! lol just jokin..

crayzayjay
09-01-2002, 11:04 AM
I have to disagree and say there's nothing particularly wrong with Daewoos. Ok they're not the most thrilling cars in the world but they're perfectly capable and offer great VFM. I'm not a great fan of them, but there's no denying they have achieved a well-earnt respectable standing in the car industry. All car companies have to start somewhere.

Porsche911T
09-01-2002, 12:48 PM
I have to disagree and say there's nothing particularly wrong with Daewoos. Ok they're not the most thrilling cars in the world but they're perfectly capable and offer great VFM. I'm not a great fan of them, but there's no denying they have achieved a well-earnt respectable standing in the car industry. All car companies have to start somewhere.

Well value for money? I don't know I think in this case you get what you pay for. I'm not going to say anything more because I don't want to insult this mans car. I just started laughing when I saw the Yugo comment. Some people might think the Yugo was a brilliant car. Great on gas, and disposable, which is what it's purpose was in the first place. What do us americans do now? Buy a car for a year, then get rid of it... leasing, but the Yugo was before leasing was around. I was impressed with the ratings on epinions for the Yugo. The Yugo's styling wasn't all that bad either, some looked like the Volkswagen Rabbit. I'm no Yugo fan, I'm just defending it if no one else will.

crayzayjay
09-01-2002, 03:07 PM
I don't want to insult this mans car
You misunderstood where im coming from: I dont own a Daewoo; I personally wouldnt buy one, but i understand why some people do, and i dont put them down for it. Cars have improved so much over the last decade that a car that is considered bad today will still easily fulfill all the requirements a car should. Even cheap cars like Daewoos are reliable, some extremely so, have reasonable performance and are specced handsomely. They must not be the boldest designs nor the most handsome but there are many positive things to be said about most of these cars. The only bone i have to pick is with companies like Proton who make these "budget cars" at not very budget prices. As for the rest of em, keep up the good work

Pennzoil GT-R
09-01-2002, 04:33 PM
the best to come out of Germany:

Small Cars: Audi A2/Mercedes Benz A-Class
Small Saloon: BMW 3 series/Mercedes Benz C-Class/Audi A4
Big Saloon: Mercedes E-Class/BMW 5-series/Audi A6
Luxury Cars: Mercedes-Benz S-Class/Audi A8
Coupe: Mercedes Benz CLK/CL
Convertible: Mercedes Benz SLK/SL, Porsche Boxster
Sports Cars: Porsche 911 Turbo/GT3/GT2/
Super Cars: Mercedes Benz CLK-GTR/Porsche 911 GT1

I think every car listed here is near enough leader in their class, with the exception of the Sports Cars to the Italian marques. Judging by this i dont see how any other country can be classed as better than Germany

Porsche911T
09-03-2002, 04:16 PM
Small Cars: Audi A2/Mercedes Benz A-Class

That's right, you lucky bitches in Europe have two times what we have here, just a few that I think would be cool in america are the polo and the s3. You guys also have a hell of a lot more diesel engines availible to you.

Pennzoil GT-R
09-03-2002, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Porsche911T


That's right, you lucky bitches in Europe have two times what we have here, just a few that I think would be cool in america are the polo and the s3. You guys also have a hell of a lot more diesel engines availible to you.

we need the diesel engines though. our fuel is so damn expensive that we have to look for ways of economy without sacrificing performance e.g BMW 330D, MB S320 CDi.

Porsche911T
09-04-2002, 02:52 AM
Volkswagen also has several different diesel engines available for the Golf in europe, we are stuck with the 1.9L 90HP here in the US. Maybe in the future when we get the same diesel fuel you guys get these engines will be available.

Pennzoil GT-R
09-04-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Porsche911T
Volkswagen also has several different diesel engines available for the Golf in europe, we are stuck with the 1.9L 90HP here in the US. Maybe in the future when we get the same diesel fuel you guys get these engines will be available.

yeh VW are doing some amazing things with diesel engines. i think the GT-TDi golf is actually faster than the GTi now

YogsVR4
09-04-2002, 02:19 PM
I think I'll have to pick the Germans as well.

Theres a saying on how to best build things, its something like

Invent like and American, refine like the Germans and produce like the Japanese.













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Porsche911T
09-05-2002, 12:12 AM
Invent like and American, refine like the Germans and produce like the Japanese.

Hmm if they did that, every car would be perfect.

ThomasB
09-10-2002, 05:29 AM
http://automotriz.reforma.com/offlines/imgs/autopostales/postales/Portada/93G.jpg

Clio V6 by the French automaker RENAULT, 230bhp for the moment and 275 next year (after restyling) :)

Pennzoil GT-R
09-10-2002, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by ThomasB
http://automotriz.reforma.com/offlines/imgs/autopostales/postales/Portada/93G.jpg

Clio V6 by the French automaker RENAULT, 230bhp for the moment and 275 next year (after restyling) :)

and its also a killer in the wet...........literally

ThomasB
09-11-2002, 04:13 AM
It's not a car for girls !!! :cool:

crayzayjay
09-12-2002, 08:49 PM
Very nice looking car, but on the road, the Clio V6 isnt much quicker than the Sport 172, which is disappointing considering the difference in price. upgrade in power is well needed

Porsche
09-13-2002, 12:03 AM
May I remind you all who didn't vote for Germany due to lack of Engineering, the new Maybach's engine measures torsional vibrations int he crankshaft to ensures proper combustion as well as sometinhg to do with measuring the ions or ion gap in the spark plug, if that's not engineering then I love American cars.

THE4TH
09-14-2002, 03:24 PM
America, Japan, Germany, and Italy will always be in the front running for the best cars for diff reasons..
american - power made
japan - efficient, reliable
germany - engineering
italy - exotic... :)

Stefanel1
11-11-2002, 09:44 AM
The first Clio V6 was not really good for the price. It's was made too quickly. But the restylled one is much more better. Today it makes 255hp and a new version (275hp) is programmed.
To me the best car makers are Germany, France and Italy. But you've also very nice makes/models elsewhere : Jaguar, Viper, Corvette, Volvo, etc.

crayzayjay
11-12-2002, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by YogsVR4
I think I'll have to pick the Germans as well.

Theres a saying on how to best build things, its something like

Invent like and American, refine like the Germans and produce like the Japanese.

what have the Americans invented? I would have said the Germans are the most innovative, Benz in particular....

Overall nothing touches the Germans.. shame their cars couldnt have a little more flair or extravagance...

Stefanel1
11-12-2002, 07:55 AM
I'm agree with Crayzayjay. German cars are maybe the best, even if there are sometimes not warm enough (especially Audi VW).
American cars are not my favourites. But they do some nice cars (Viper Corvette, 300M).

crayzayjay
11-12-2002, 08:12 AM
I dont understand why modern Audi's are so damn cold and "clinical".... an Audi is a doctor's car, thats how i see it...

Stefanel1
11-12-2002, 08:18 AM
Doctors need cars too :D

crayzayjay
11-12-2002, 08:32 AM
lol.. of course they do, but you see what i mean, right? An Audi makes no emotional connection with the driver... my friend's A3 is very nice but you would never fall in love with it... BMW and Merc are slightly different..

BMW owners are usually very fond of the styling as they like to think it makes a statement about them... also, the dynamic way the car performs makes them fall in love with it.

Merc strikes a connection with its driver because its such a nice, relaxing place to be, the interior of a M-B.... and its exactly the same to drive, and the driver appreciates that...

to me an Audi is for someone who just needs a nice car but doesnt want a BM or MB.... dont get me wrong, there are some very desirable Audi;s, the RS4 and RS6 are very quick and have unbelievable performance, but theyre no M5's by any means of the imagination... this is according to all tests the cars have been subjected to.... cant beat a 5 year old design (M5), now thats pretty bad...

Stefanel1
11-12-2002, 08:45 AM
An Audi is a nice car, but indeed, it's not as emotional as a BMW, a Porsche, A Peugeot, an Alfa, or a Jag for example. I think the same thing for Japanese cars.

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