Recently I met the guy who modeled/programmed the McLaren F1 GTR cars for the BPR add-on to Electronic Arts' F1 2002. It's a fun game and I enjoyed driving the cars online, racing against people around the world. Most of them prefer to race BMWs and Porsches and F1 cars, but every so often you can find a race that allows you to choose the McLaren F1.

I am talking to him about developing a roadcourse simulation. That should be a lot of fun. If anyone wants to suggest localities that they have experienced great drives in, please send them to me in a private message and I will pass them on. He will fly there, videotape the drive, then simulate it on-screen to make it as realistic as possible. He checks the roads against GPS maps, so the roads and surrounds are both modeled fairly accurately.

Anyone driven the McLaren F1 cars in any other games? I believe it's in some Need for Speed game as well, right? Any others?

yea NFS hight stakes II, f1 and f1 lm

i think a McLaren has been in every Need For Speed game (except Porsche Unleashed) since NFS2.

other than NFS, i dont think it was in any other game series. maybe Gran Turismo, im not sure on that though.

yeah it's in nfs everything, not in gran turismo, but i really think it should be in gran turismo, because the gameplay, the realistics level of nfs is so annoying low, i want to drive it that i can fine tune it to my own needs, instead of crashing into things

Games
-most NFS
-Top Gear Overdrive (n64)
-Midtown Madness (#?) on PC d/l McLaren F1 from MM3 forum.
all i can think of, a guy in a previous post showed his modelling of an orage McLaren, they call it xp5 in MM to look special, its ironic you can change the colour, when it wos only really the colours in the famous pics.

-Mike

and need for speed

im making one for midtown madness 2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ch.white/mclarenf1/renders/1.jpg

more images here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ch.white/mclarenf1/

you should make a lm

i saw in that was GTA3
it was called cheetah, so it's just another body on a fucked up car
but it was wickid
btw, i don't remember the site, but it was russian:S

yeh i thought that was a lm

Is the F1 in Top Gear Overdrive an F1 road car? I'm wondering because the only system I have is an N64. Also, there is an F1 road car in Automobili lamborghini for N64, its in dark green or a dull blue and i think theres a tan one with green stripes. Oh, and what other cars does Top Gear Overdrive have?

i dont know i havnt suscribed yet
cant wait to

im making one for midtown madness 2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ch.white/mclarenf1/renders/1.jpg

more images here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ch.white/mclarenf1/

Hey Rich 24 -

I finally got a chance to look through all these images and I'm quite impressed. Your attention to detail is excellent and the quality of your final product really shows. For anyone who hasn't checked out his work yet, I suggest you take the time to look.

All that being said, there was one error that I thought you might want to fix and it can be seen in this shot of the front brake rotor:

http://a6.cpimg.com/image/2E/96/24106286-6fec-01FB014F-.jpg

That additional small brake caliper you have on there is not really there on the real car - at least not in the front. It is the caliper that controls the parking brake and that is only found on the rear brake rotors. Check these two reference photos of the #007 F1 road car to see what I mean:

Front brakes:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/mf1_fbrakes.jpg

Rear brakes:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/mf1_rbrakes.jpg

It could be that you are simply reusing the same brake rotor wire model at all four corners to save on data size, but if not then you might want to make a revision to eliminate that small caliper on the front rotors.

Other than that minor detail, the rest of your reference photos look really great! Thanks again for sharing them! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

ah thanks!

*adds to list of things to do*

but those brakes dont look the same to the ones i used as referance.

i have a book that has a pic of the brake assembly, (i might have seen the same pic on a site somwhere too) but the main caliper definalty looked white, not gold like on those pics?

i also notice the wheel has a gold nut in the center, could the design have changed slightly?

Well I suppose that if someone let the caliper oxidize that it might turn whitish in color, but as far as I know, all the road cars had calipers that matched the ones you see in both those photos. The white look may have also been caused by camera flash when the photo was taken. Maybe you could share the photo you used as reference?

As for the wheel nut, there are a few F1s that seem to have a more silver wheel nut - Dan Kennedy's #038 is one of them - so possibly that was left up to the customer's choice. Some cars - like the car that was just at Shelton Ferrari in Florida have a very dark golden wheel nut. Maybe it's another case of oxidization or tarnish that can cause that though. In the photos I have of various F1s, most show the wheel nut to be exactly like what you see on #007.

There is this photo from "Driving Ambition" which gives the highest detail on the brakes that I have seen. One anomaly is that the wheel nut in this photo is black and says "McLaren" instead of "F1", but the rotor and caliper appear to be exactly what I see on production F1s.

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/C5/69/24660421-a80b-02550258-.jpg

>8^)
ER

i dont have a flatbed scanner so i cant scan in my image, but i found these on this forum:

http://users.westelcom.com/paepkec/f1/img_1182%20(Medium).jpg

http://users.westelcom.com/paepkec/f1/img_1179%20(Medium).jpg

they dont look gold?

Well those photos you just posted happen to be pictures of the same exact car that I posted on the previous page - #007. The photos I posted are approximately 1 1/2 to 2 years older, so my assumptions that the calipers may have oxidized somewhat, making them appear white, seems to be the case.

>8^)
ER

I guess, im no car expert :) what are the calipars made from?

also i changed it now:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ch.white/mclarenf1/mc_brake.jpg

:biggrin:

The calipers are are monoblock aluminum - revolutionary at the time the F1 was created btw.

The new brake looks great! Build some logic into the game so they too will tarnish a bit and turn white over time. ;) :D

J/K

>8^)
ER

it has been anounced that there will be a fina gtr in gran turismo 4

I think the developers of GT4 had to actually get a GTR to use for a day or two if they wanted to use one in the game, because I read that for GT4 they measure everything (such as height of spoiler, length between headlight to headlight, etc), they record the engine and even drive it and make the car in the game handle and have the same personality as the real car.

yep, thats how they do it, it really is amazing and will hopefully be an amazing game

Hi,

I've been building an F1 for F12002. It's not near finished yet, and sadly I hit a brick wall with regards to sound recordings for the normal road-version.

What I need are good level sound recordings of the standard road-version (not LM), at various engine speeds, low, medium, high and maximum revs.

But you can see the car anyhow:

http://www.totalnfs.net/temp/f109.jpg
http://www.totalnfs.net/temp/f108.jpg
http://www.totalnfs.net/temp/f110.jpg

I've tried hard to capture the look of the real car in all respects that were possible.

I also needed to find some diagrams of the rear suspension. Does someone here have access to anything like that, and could scan it in for me? You can also stay up to date with this project at the following link:

http://racerplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&goto=lastpost&forumid=36

I also modelled an LM for NFS4, and it is highly likely that it will be remodelled, or modelled from scratch again, and put in F12002.

Also, it might be possible to animate the rear spoiler. F12002 does support animation of *.mts mesh objects, as is seen by the pit-crews for the F1 cars when you do a pit-stop, or the less than impressive looking grid girls (too low-detailed looking). It's not commonly known how the animation is done since not even the development tools were made public.

I will also share with you that I'm a Mclaren F1 enthusiast, along with being a big fan of that other very rare and very special thing, the 962 Le Mans from Dauer Sportwagen.

That looks sweet, the 962 also looks amazing. great job man

Thanks for the comments.

I might just add that the 962 is being a bit naughty and producing crashes to desktop. Some bug exists, not sure what, but while it's like that, it can't be included in any final release of this mod for F12002.

But anyhow, if you are interested in this mod, keep an eye on the link I posted before (I gave an incorrect link, my apologies):

http://racerplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=120030#post120030

Drop in, say hello. There are some Lamborghinis as well, since those are my other (somewhat irrational until the latest Lambos) passion. Something about the sound of those big V12's makes me go weak at the knees.. :smile:

One thing about F12002 that is good is that it is a proper simulation, and it allows a lot of detail in the "physics" of the cars. Like for instance, if you can find data on the suspension, like diagrams, and measurements, then you can recreate that type of suspension in game. And you can have multiple types of different suspension, different types of tyres, all sorts of different things.

Need for Speed:Hot Pursuit 2 has a Mclaren F1 and LM.

One small error on your McLaren cpd, it's label is "McLaren F1 XP5" but I noticed that it has a banner on the windsheild which I do not believe is on XP5. Besides that I think it looks great

Er, hmmm, you've got a point there.. :)

Just checked a video of the XP5 and sure enough, it's not got the banner.

Also, I've heard about some video kicking about with Mika Hakkinen driving an F1 around Suzuka or something like that - where can I find it, other than on the file-sharing programs that I never use? I'm always happy to see these cars in action, since it's useful to compare against the virtual one.

cpd, check ur pm's

Don't believe noone's heard of TOTAL IMMERSION RACING ...... Came out a year and something ago. That racing sim has the most up to date real looking 1997 F1 GTR LONGTAIL FINA model, physics are not that much, sounds aren't that good either but better than in any NFS series. Of course F1 2002 GTR mod is best at everything: 3d work, sounds - almost like real thing (according to cab videos and audios), you have to have a decent wheel for that too. I like driving Marcos LM600 - nasty , lusty V8 that shakes everything it passes, challenging to drive.... Though never heard '96 F1 GTR live, IMO '97 F1 GTR longtail is MUUUUUUCH louder (compared audio files and vid's of both '96 &'97 F1's).

there will be a fina longtail in the gt4

cpd, can i just d/l your files and put them in my regular f1 2002 thing, i just got it, anyone explain how it works?

there will be a fina longtail in the gt4if this
is true, finally in the Gran Turismo series they have a Mclaren in one of there series. :iceslolan

it is true