350z Sucks! - Car Forums and Automotive Chat

DR_Gallup

10-17-2003, 04:05 PM

Say it isn't true. I've been doing a lot of forum reading about 350z owners and their cars. I'm looking to get the performance or the touring model, but now I'm getting second thoughts from what I've been reading. It appears that the 350z has a lot of internal problems. I have a 99 4Runner that runs like a charm, but consumes 16 mpg... and I need something similar in dependability. My second option is the Infiniti G35, but my heart is still set on the 350z. I wonder if the 2004 models have been refined.. Also, I'm looking to slap in a Stillen supercharger. Would that hurt my gas mileage by much?The only significant problems have been front tire wear (variously called cupping, feathering, tire roar, etc.) and a few transmissions. My car has been back to the dealership only for the tire wear since Aug 2002. Nissan gave me free tires. I get 27 mpg highway with an average trip speed of 70 mph for 600 miles including stops. Pretty good in my book. 2004 model is unchanged except for the door on the NAV compartment. G35 is mechanically very close to 305Z so you won't be getting any significant difference in reliability. If reliability and gas milage are important forget about a supercharger. The aftermarket does about 5% of the engineering and 1% of the testing that the factory does. Highly modified cars are toys not dependable transportation.

Grim13

10-18-2003, 01:03 PM

The only significant problems have been front tire wear (variously called cupping, feathering, tire roar, etc.) and a few transmissions. My car has been back to the dealership only for the tire wear since Aug 2002. Nissan gave me free tires. I get 27 mpg highway with an average trip speed of 70 mph for 600 miles including stops. Pretty good in my book. 2004 model is unchanged except for the door on the NAV compartment. G35 is mechanically very close to 305Z so you won't be getting any significant difference in reliability. If reliability and gas milage are important forget about a supercharger. The aftermarket does about 5% of the engineering and 1% of the testing that the factory does. Highly modified cars are toys not dependable transportation.

Cool! Thanks for the helpful info. I did hear some minor flaws engine, about the tranny, some axel imperfection and yes, the tires. Maybe all are minor enough that I can handle. Also, the convertable looks pretty sweet! I've thought it looked really fem in the pictures, but it actually looks waay better in life.

Yeah, I want to do some more research on the 'stillen' supercharger. I definitely would like to do some mods such as the Veilside's type 3 body kit. 27 mpg is awesome, compared to my 19 mpg highway '99 4Runner.
I do like the g35 quite a bit, but the z has way more after-market gadgets.

svtcobra007x

10-19-2003, 07:16 PM

z33guy

10-19-2003, 11:25 PM

Grim13

10-20-2003, 03:33 AM

svtcobra007x

10-20-2003, 05:03 PM

ok i wasnt trying to bash the Nissan Z and I understand what your saying. Everyone has their favorite brand car and they usually do not give that up. If you like Mustangs, buy a Mustang, or if you like a Nissan Z, buy a Nissan Z. My dream car would probably be a Saleen 281-E and hopefully one day i might just buy it but the odds are unlikely.

Mk3Supra

10-20-2003, 06:34 PM

I'm a recent Nissan convert and diehard fan. Out of the Japanese "Big 3" , Toyota , Nissan , Mitsubishi (Or Subaru) , (Maybe "Big4" if you include Honda , but they havent built a decent sports car since the CRX) I've come to the understanding the Nissans are the most reliable , with Toyota 2nd , and Mitsubishi and Subaru a distant 3rd. I have an '85 Turbo 300Z , and it seems just as solid as the day it was new. No squeaks or rattles , engine runs like a top with 160K on it , shifts are notchy but accurate. Technology has gotten much more precise since then , so I imagine a 350Z will outlast even cockroaches.

[SS]Disabled

10-21-2003, 06:10 PM

Technology has gotten much more precise since then , so I imagine a 350Z will outlast even cockroaches.

Nah, not those bastards. Maybe it will outlast humanity but not cockroaches.

z33guy

10-21-2003, 07:24 PM

cockaroaches can survive a nuclear attack and live with their heads cut off :screwy:

The vq might live that long

[SS]Disabled

10-21-2003, 07:30 PM

cockaroaches can survive a nuclear attack and live with their heads cut off :screwy:

The vq might live that long

Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something? :lol:

deadmaninc

10-21-2003, 08:37 PM

The mustang they were refering to was the GT if I am not mistaken.

longlivetheZ

10-22-2003, 12:37 AM

This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.

Are you KIDDING!? No replacement for displacement.......riiiiiiight........some people will never learn. The VQ has so much potential...Stillen is working with the newly designed roots type supercharger for the 350Z and will probably start selling another SMZ. Pit your little ford up against that. Even up against a regular Z...it'd be extremely close off the line and you'd be gone once we hit a turn. Ford is just starting to learn that a live axle in the rear handles like ass in turns. They finally put independant rear in the new(er) Cobra. Not a bad car, but it doesn't have the potential that the Z has. It's pretty much maxed out. It has quite a low specific output...Not even 100 hp/liter. The 90-96 300ZX's were putting that out stock. Plus, It already has a supercharger on it...the Z is a normally aspirated V-6. If it can do ~5.4 0-60 STOCK...you just wait till mods come out...we're no where NEAR maxed out...

especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z.

I read a comparison of the Mach 1 and the 350 (and another car but I can't remember which) and it was unanimous...unless you don't just plan on going in a strait line everywhere...get the Z.

But...on top of it all...to get a mustang that's even worth half a damn, you have to spend $47,000 for a Saleen (all prices off autotrader.com), $40,000 for an SVT Cobra, or $30,000 for a Mach 1. All that for a MUSTANG...people need to be somewhat original and stop buying cars that you SEE EVERYWHERE...mustangs, even the higher end SVT, are all OVER THE PLACE...like a damn BACTERIA....there is no way I will ever understand buying a 30-40,000 car that you see more of then any one person will ever care to.

Long Live The Z

svtcobra007x

10-23-2003, 07:40 PM

Im going to have to disagree with you on that. Yea so what if you have to pay extra for a Saleen Mustang because its not surpring considering the fact that one of their cars is the S7 which is one of the fastest in the world. And that car costs around $400,000. But I have read statisics where certain Saleen Mustangs have maxed out at about 500 hp. I don't think any Nissan is gonna tear it off the road. Plus if you checked out the new Mustang coming out in 2005, it adds even more power to the Mustang. They are saying that even a GT could get around 400 horses under the hood but I can't say that for a fact. Even Shelby might come back and modify it like they did in the past. Yea and the reason you see so many Mustangs on the road is because everyone loves them. Granted, not every Mustang people own is a GT so that cuts down the cost a lot but since its still sporty enough, they sell lots of them. But do you see lots of Saleens, Rousches, Cobra R's, or Steeda Mustangs out on the road, definetely not. Those are the rare ones but hell, they are definitely worth paying the extra bucks for. But your kidding yourself if you think a Z is better than a Saleen(0-60)<4.5 seconds. Z has trouble getting lower than 5.4 seconds.

Just gotta love that Mustang sound.

longlivetheZ

10-24-2003, 12:07 AM

You just kinda rambled on in that post so badly that it's difficult to address a single point, so I'm going to have to adress issues as I read down your post (with the exception of the first part).

1 thing that REALLY ANNOYS ME...everyone looks at the same 3 damn things...1 and 2: 0-60 and quarter mile. That's bullshit because these vary SO MUCH. Depends on ambient air temp, the driver, age of the car, fuel type, mods, track/ground conditions, tires used, etc. I've seen the stock Z32 (90-96, see sig) 300ZX TT quoted as high as 5.6 0-60 and as low as 5.2, and 3: horsepower. Horsepower gets WAY too much attention. Power is nothing without control. If you have 8000HP at the wheels and you just sit there and bake your tires...big whoop....you're gunna get beat by a dump truck. There is SO MUCH MORE TO A CAR then how damn fast it can go in a straight line.

I don't know why the hell you're talking about the S7. COMPLETELY different kind of car...that should be compared to the Nissan Skyline...why you brought that up now is beyond me.

Saleen mustangs max out at 500HP? A) I REALLY hope not. That's not much. B) I seriously doubt that. If that is true, that's the most pathetic max I've EVER heard of. If you don't think a Nissan (bein aweful broad there...there are faster nissans out there then the Zs in question...) could smash a 500HP car, you're nieve.

I've seen the new mustang. It's still quite far off. There are so many things that could still change.

As far as seeing Cobras and steedas and blah blah blah...I do see them FAR more often (even living here in Kenfucky...even MORE SO when I lived in West Palm Beach, Fl) then, say, a MKIV TT Supra, RX7, VR4, etc. They're like damned bacteria. To top it all off, they're ugly as sin (not even talking about the hidious [sp] interior). But beauty is in the eye, right?

Z has trouble getting below 5.4........riiiiiiiight. The Z32 and the Z33 can be under that so easily. I've seen them around 4.3 for a fact and I know that that's not the fastest one out there, either. YOU'RE kidding YOURSELF if you think your $47,000 mustang could just walk away from a modded Z...and the Z would still cost less, get better gas mileage, AND look better.

As long as it doesn't sound like an annoying mosquito, who gives a damn what a car sounds like...most trivial damn thing ever...

hottoddyo

10-24-2003, 11:40 AM

I couldn't have said it better myself. To tell everyone the truth, I could care a less about how fast I can go. I just love to look good and have people look at me in awe as I drive by!!! Cool shades - ON!

svtcobra007x

10-24-2003, 03:29 PM

Yea thats right you have to modify a Nissan Z to make it as fast as a Saleen. It doesn't have the power compared to the Saleen when it is sold at an auto place. The reason I brought up the S7 was because of its great performance and that they are consistent thoughout all the cars they make.

Also Im saying you can buy Saleens that max out at 500hp and over. I didnt say they just stop at 500hp because with a Nissan Z, you only start out with like 280 horses and theres only so much you can do to modify a car and it still wont be as fast as a Saleen. You can probably modify a Saleen, and it will be twice as fast as 2 modified Nissans put together. Yea thats overexaggerating but you get the point. Check this site out http://www.huntfordmercury.com/saleen.html Yea, the Saleen SR rules in every aspect.

And looks? You guys are crazy if you dont admit that the Saleen Mustangs are quite fancy. They are definitely not ugly. For god sakes the Saleen is just a better brand because they take cars and jazz them up to their full potential. I cant wait for Shelby to release their version of the 2005 Mustangs because then I can confirm that the Mustangs are just a hell of a lot better.

To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do. Oh and 1 more thing its not just the new cars we are talking about. Put a 1968 Shelby King Cobra Jet Mustang against a 2003 Nissan Z, damn your screwed.

2005 Mustang is far off huh?.....less then a year is not far off.........

z33guy

10-24-2003, 07:13 PM

Disabled']Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something? :lol:
No just useless shit i pick up from people, i think its called school.

longlivetheZ

10-25-2003, 01:56 AM

Little more organized this time...thank you.

Of course I'm going to have to modify the Z....I'm competing with a modified mustang. That's all a Saleen is. Same with the SVT, Rousche [sp.], and Shelby stuff. They are just modified mustangs that you can buy at the dealer (I think you can buy the saleen and rousche [sp.] at the dealer......). The Z has MUCH more potential...just look at the 0-60 times....the STOCK Z has the 0-60 of ~5.4.....the STOCK mustang has 0-60 of ~6. I went and drove a Z today. That thing is damn fast already...not to mention that it handles amazingly (something the mustang sure as HELL can't say). I had the car salesman hanging on for dear life. I REALLY doubt you can further modify the Saleen. For the most part, it's a race car already.

Ok....looks are subjective. BUT......"mustang" and "fancy" do NOT belong in the same sentance EVER. They are on of the drabest, plainest, most boxy (.36 CD....a BOX, in otherwords...compared to the Z .29...Z has less drag then the damn PORSCHE 911 at .31!!!) newer cars out there right now.

Holy SHIT man.....that SR is the most God aweful thing ever...ok...that one could probably pass for "fancy"....blargh. Bet it costs a shit load more then a regular Saleen, too.

*AHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......after further research: "The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000."* --SALEEN WEBSITE For that much, go buy a true supercar like a Porsche 993 or Ferrari [sp.]....

The new mustangs aren't going to be out until mid next year, man....not exactly tomorrow....

To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do.

I think I've kinda figured you out...you don't like cars because of what they are or what they can be...you like them because they're popular or because you like the way they look. You probably think the sound is really important, too....

Z's aren't only beautiful...they're true sports cars in every sense of the term (braking, handling, aerodynamics, technology...not JUST 0-60 and 1/4 mile times...) for the right price.

How old are you?

svtcobra007x

10-26-2003, 02:11 PM

Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal. But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60. Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars considering the fact that the Mustangs are made by all sorts of brands yet Nissan is made by one. Ford breaks it into the regular Mustang, the GT, the Cobra, and the (Cobra R which I never really mentioned but its a fast mutha). Then you go into the categories of Saleen, Steeda, and Rousche, which are broken into different subcategories also. Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea. But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.

I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars. Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).

Im not going to bash your dream car because that is your preference. I like Mustangs because they have always been bad ass cars, especially the Shelby GT-500 in "Gone in Sixty Seconds". I see mid next year not long in the future, maybe not tomorrow, but definitely not far off. I like how their making it look like the GT-500, it gives it a flashback look.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_7.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_1.jpg

Probably not as old as you but old enough to know about this shit.

longlivetheZ

10-27-2003, 12:38 AM

Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal.

........of.......course........I..........knew.... ....that............

But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60.

Check www.jbcarpages.com GT 0-60 = 6 sec.

Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars...

Why's that? You don't seem to mind comparing a STOCK Z to an modded SVT Cobra, Steeda, or Cobra R....

As for the Cobra R...(specs: www.rapidcars.com/cobrarspec.html
Gen info: http://www.yellowmustangregistry.com/CobraR.htm):

Specs:
Price: $54,000...damn near twice the Z
0-60: 4.4...damn fast.

Gen Info:
Lowered suspention and added ground effects...looks cool...good on the track....have fun with driveways and speedbumps...
No radio or A/C...fun fun....
300 built for 2000 model year...
Bottom line...yea it's fast...IT'S A FUCKING RACE CAR....that's even FURTHER beyond comparing the Z to the SVT or Steeda or what ever other modded mustang...Plus it's expensive as hell PLUS it's horribly impractical [sp.] to drive on the roads regularly...PLUS....it's all irrelevant anyway.....CUZ YOU CAN'T FIND EM.

Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea.

Yup...GT Lat G's: .82g Z: .89g (jbcarpages.com)

But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.

Wrong again...GT 0-60: ~6 sec.....Z: ~5.4 sec....Z wins.
GT top speed: 139......Z: 156 Z wins. (jbcarpages.com)
The SVT's top speed is electronically limited to 155...most likely because it's geared really short (for fast acceleration but no top end....resulting in the <5 sec 0-60) so they did that so people aren't imploding engines left and right by running into the rev limiter trying to hit 160...

I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars.

Which is why you're too dumb to realize that the next statement is completely obsurd...

Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).

Don't be an idiot...take your head out of your ass. It's 2003...not 1973...you can get any damn part you want. Also, It's not a damn PORSCHE...it's a NISSAN...it's a pretty common car. Parts are everywhere for it. I got a free alternator for my old 1986 300ZX when it went out from some GUY my DAD KNEW...so hard to find.......riiiiiiight.

Overpriced? Riiiiiiiight....a stock, run of the mill Z (even the Z32's from the mid/early 90's as in my sig) would smash any old, ordinary, run of the mill mustang. Even the V8 GT...which is PRETTY damn pathetic...

The Shelby GT rocks.....that car's bad as hell...gotta love the classics. The new mustang doesn't look too bad...not yet at least. I like the throwback to the 70's era mustangs...back when they were cool and somewhat original.

The mustang you posted pics of...that's a pretty nice car...too bad it's a rip for the money.

Old enough? What....16? Sound like you're 16. However, I must commend you on your determination. I show you up every time in every way. You just refuse to believe that the mustang is an inferior car. I still have plenty to go, so just keep coming...I haven't even had to go into how lame the V8 the GT uses is. Damn SOHC....weeeeeeeak. My 1986 300ZX was SOHC. SOHC V8...live rear axle...get with the times, Ford...the only way you get anything worth a damn is to shell out a pretty hefty chunk of money. That extra money spent could be put to MUCH better use in a Z or many other cars. Hell...you can get a Corvette for the price of an SVT.

Give up.....you're fighting an un-win-able battle.

svtcobra007x

10-27-2003, 03:25 PM

Me give it up? There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.

And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense.

The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.

Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6. Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.

And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.

longlivetheZ

10-28-2003, 01:57 AM

There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.

You don't even want to compare the Nissan Skyline to the cobra...and that's an inline 6...

You're calling the Z a POS.......my God......you're dumber then I thought.....you can't call the Z a pos, even if you don't like them. Ok....you dumb ass....research things before you make dumb statements. I looked on the internet for 5 min and found out that the mustang was only out for 5 damn years before the Z. Boy......that's a long time. The Z sold 500,000 units faster then ANY OTHER CAR IN HISTORY. Even your damn mustang. The Z won TEN CONSECUTIVE SCCA titles. Go to this link (http://search.lycos.com/default.asp?lpv=1&loc=searchhp&tab=web&query=1960+spl212) for the complete history....the Z won just about every damn title and/or championship of the time.

And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.

Oh..........my...............God............that's the stupidest statement I've ever heard. I'm going to put that in my sig, it's so funny. Why would someone want to corner well.....because they like to drive!! Because they like the feel of a good, solid, performance car. That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say...You've gotta be 16 or something...either that or you act like it. Saying "why would someone want to corner well" when buying a sports car is like saying "why would someone want to carry stuff" when buying a truck....dumbest thing I've ever heard. A better question is, why do so many people like to just go straight? Roads aren't straight...what good is it to be able to go mach 2 down a drag strip, but you have to drive your "sports car" like a grandma around town cuz it handles like butt.

The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.

Of course you're going to say that...it's the only mustang that doesn't blow ass. Why aren't we comparing the Z (NA V6) the the normal mustang (NA V6)?...that's perfectly fair. I should end it there. Hell...even the V6 mustang has a larger engine then the Z. You can't even beat it with 2 more cylinders...you have to add forced induction.

If I should so decide to even up the odds some, they make superchargers and turbo kits for the Z. I already beat the holy HELL out of the V6, which is approx 300cc LARGER then the Z's engine, the GT which has 2 fucking CYLINDERS on me...damn man...you need a larger handicap STILL??!!?? You have to go FURTHER and SUPERCHARGE the damn thing to be able to beat me. Pathetic.

Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6.

Ok.....check this out. The cobra's supercharged V8 puts out 84.8 horsepower per liter of displacement. The Z's normally aspirated V6 puts out 82 horsepower per liter. That's damn lame that a supercharged V8 puts out a mere 2.8 more hp/liter then a normally aspirated V6. You think that the VQ (the engine in the Z) is maxed out? You're waaaaaaay wrong. I've already heard of one with a TT kit on it that has over 400 to the wheels. The car's still quite new so the aftermarket companies are still developing things for the engine. I gurantee that if you put that TTZ33 up against the Cobra or whatever else you'd like, it would be an extrememly formidable competitor, if not the winner....even if we don't turn....turn...turn....turn......what's that....you idiot.

Speaking of the VQ:

"The Steelers of the 1970s. The Forty-Niners of the 1980s. The Yankees of any decade. Michael Schumacher. The Red Wings.

Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.'s “VQ” V-6 is beginning to approach the point where we're comfortable mentioning it in the same company. A dynasty."
--Ward's Top Ten Engines artical

...it's been named to Ward's Top Ten Engine list 9 years in a row. It's also the ONLY ENGINE to EVER do so. Oh wait...I must have missed something....I don't see the mustang's engine in it at ALL...imagine that....cuz it's lame.

Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.

Because not everyone is as amazingly idiotic as you. Some people know what a good car is. In the Z's review, the editors at JBCarpages could not go more then a paragraph without saying something good about the Z. I read the Mustang's review...they didn't say ONE GOOD THING about it. It's just an average car, at best. People might buy the Z because they love to drive...or they may buy it because they know it is a phenomenal car with a phenomenal engine with the potential to be a painfully fast car....in every way...not just in a straight line. They may buy it because it's unique...something the mustang won't ever be able to say. Overpriced is your oppinion because it's not so fast in a straight line...yet you're still too dumb to realize what the word potential means. I don't know where you're going to find a $30,000 cobra...list price is $47,000 there, buddy.

And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.

Ehhh....I wasn't comparing the Z32 against the older mustangs...I was comparing it to the new one and the Cobra. The GT's aren't all powerful NOW. They put out less power then the Z's V6!! And again, you're saying I can't compare a standard Z against a standard mustang. Why not?! You're only saying that because you know the Mustang needs a handicap to compete.

Give it up already...your p.o.s. mustang won't even beat the Z in a fair match...

longlivetheZ

10-28-2003, 02:02 AM

If you want out of my sig, you must first bow down to the Z. Until then, all 104,930 members of automotiveforums.com gets to laugh at your dumb ass.

:banhim:

svtcobra007x

10-28-2003, 03:10 PM

U know nothing about Cobras considering the fact that they go for around $30000 not $47000, thats a Saleen price. The Cobra R goes for around $57000.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/details/ford03svtmustangcobra/model_overview.html?refsrc=autos/make

When I was referring to turns I was referring to turning into a block or a neighborhood. I wasnt even thinking about curves on the road you asshole. Who gives a shit about curves, Mustangs handle them no problem. You are bullshitting your Nissan so much because it doesn't have any potential against a Mustang. Test your modded Z to a Rousch, a Steeda, or a fucking Saleen and you will still find the Z to be all powerless. Thoses Z's look like POS's when I see them on the road. They are so god damn small that one small accident is going to most likely cost a fortune to repair.

Yea the Nissan makers give you no bang for your buck. They charge you an arm and a leg for looks and how convenient it is inside. Ford on the other hand gives you the bang for your buck, not a dinky inline 6 but a V8 with power.

Go out and mod your damn Z(who knows how much that will cost), but at least Ford, Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen, take the time so you dont need to mod it by yourself, they fork out enough power against your weak Z. Why cant you understand the performance? It is clearly stated that the Saleen can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and clocks out at about 200 mph. The Cobra can do about 4.9 seconds in 0-60 and the Steeda and Rousche, which you dont even want to know, are bats out of hell. Your Z can hardly get past 5 seconds and its top speed is nothing compared to the Stangs. You cant beat it even if you mod your Z to the max.

You know my posts in this forum were going to end on the first page when people were agreeing with me that the Stang had more power and the Z was more than just power, it was the name that had run through the family. But then you came along criticizing the Stang left and right, trying to convince me the Z had more power, but technically your wrong. Criticizing is not the answer man, its the truth that matters. But dont worry, when the 2005 Mustang comes out, probably going to pump out 400 horses under the hood with the GT and God knows how much with the Shelby, your criticizing better come to an end. Better hope Nissan even attempts to mod the Z a bit, because its really sad right now.

You are so pathetic. Why put a statement that I said into your sig when I clearly didn't mean what you were talking about. Think before you act you jackass.

Ford owns all: Ford GT, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, Jaguars

longlivetheZ

10-28-2003, 04:22 PM

The Saleen S281E is over $61,000.

I'm not going to write a huge thing right now. I'll do that later tonight. I'm going to keep it short because I'm going to my girlfriend's. I hope to get another guy from the message board to join this arguement. He is the guy with the TT 350Z that I was telling you about. I was just talking to him on AIM about his car. He's running 12.17 in the 1/4. That beats the Cobra's 12.8 (www.jbcarpages.com) by more then a little as well as best 1/4 mile time out of the entire Saleen line (12.5 by the Saleen Extremem Coupe. Info from the Saleen web page. www.saleen.com). There ya go. Stock, I beat the holy shit out of your stock V6, kicked your stock V8's ass. Then I put on the TT and even made a mess of your best Cobra and Saleen....with just a TTV6. You don't stand a chance. I'll send him the link to this thread when I talk to him again so he can post too. I'll finish this later, but until then, suck on this:

Supercharged SMZ 350Z specs released: At least 354 horsepower at the wheels on just 5.7 psi of boost. That's less boost then the Cobra's 8 psi. With the intercooler, I can up the boost even more to 8 or 9 psi giving me near 500hp at the wheels.

svtcobra007x

10-28-2003, 05:18 PM

I have always loved Mustangs because there is just something about them. You like the Z because there is something unique about it that makes you want to drive it all the time. Whatever the stats are who cares, they are both fast cars that accelerate at a rate that should satisfy the consumers. The reason I was arguing because I didnt want the Mustang to be given a bad name because it doesnt deserve that. Lets at least discuss this in a non criticizing way.

I just read your last post. What about the Saleen SR? http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?

longlivetheZ

10-29-2003, 01:01 AM

I just read your last post. What about the Saleen SR? http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?

I wasn't including the SR and S7 because those, more so in the S7's case then the SR's case, waved bye bye to the mustang loooooong ago. Point being, they don't really even qualify as mustangs anymore and are in a COMPLETELY different class. Those are cars that we will probably never even see, no ever be able to afford. Damn SR is almost $160,000 and the S7 is near $400,000 and no where even near a mustang. How you can compare those to a ~$30,000 Z is completely beyond me. You clearly don't understand the "apples to apples" saying when it comes to camparing cars. If you're going to compare a Z to the S7, then you might as well compare the Porsche 993 to the new Camaro while you're at it. However...despite the S7's insane price and class, it uses the same coil on plug type of ignition system as the Z.

As for the Rouche (no "s") and Steeda shit goes......I couldn't find a damn thing as far as specs go for either of them, especially Rouche.

The thing that really annoys me is how everyone thinks that the mustang is the greatest car ever. The cars are so bland, low tech, low quality, and over rated that it makes me want to shoot something. The V6 can't hold it's own against a stock Civic, I could keep up with the GT in my stock, 20 year old, normally aspirated V6 300ZX. The mustang can't even hold a candle to the Z's of past or present with multiple advantages. They are incredibly inferior cars in every way.

I love the Z because it is a high tech (every trim comes stock with carbon fiber drive shaft, 6 speed trans, automatic climate control, electronic brakeforce distribution, coil on plug ignition, drive by wire throttle, etc), affordably priced, comfortable, economical (certified low emissions vehicle), practical (you can comfortably drive it every day), amazing performer with phenomenal potential. The only thing that the mustang has going for it is that they're cheap....and you get what you pay for.

Dollar for dollar, the Z will always completely dominate the mustang.

svtcobra007x

10-29-2003, 03:17 PM

If you want my opinion I think the Nissan is great in some aspects while the Mustang is not. But the Mustang is also great in some aspects while the Z is not. I dont want to go technical because this could lead to long term arguments. Ill say one technicality about each of them that the other one doesnt have. The Mustangs do tend to be unreliable cars when it comes to breaking down(especially the older models like the late 80's, early 90's. The Z's problem is that the room inside the car is extremely small that vacations are out of the question.

They are changing the Mustang model, so maybe your thinking of low tech, overrated, low quality, and bland will change. http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/#quarter
The SR is definitely hard to tell if its Mustang, but the body and especially the rear, look the same. The S7 is basically Saleens stand alone model.

Come one man get that sig line out of your posts. Its actually quite offensive that you put my name on each one of your posts when I didn't say what you thought I said. I just didnt word it right. I would never want to report you for that so lets keep it cool.

longlivetheZ

10-30-2003, 01:23 AM

I don't know if you've ever been in a Z (or ANY sports car by the way you're talking), but it's actually veeeeeeeery comfortable. Soft seats with enought support to keep you where you want to be (the driver's seat is actually different than the passenger's) without being too hard. I could easily drive one a long distance and not change my feelings for the car afterwords. Not to mention the automatic climate control that all trims get, the Navigation system and Bose 6-disk in dash cd player with 6 speakers and a sub that's available. You have plenty of room to move, but not so much so that you don't feel like you're not a part of the car.

I've seen the new mustangs. They look alright. I like the throw back to the old school mustangs.

As far as my sig goes.....HA.....that's why you read your posts before hitting the button. I'm willing to bet you meant it until I called you on it. Either way....I'm not a mean guy....I'll make ya a deal...I'll take ya out, but you gotta work for it...you have to find me 3 pics of completely totaled mustangs and put them in a post. Then you're out.

Thought of something else you could do...tell me how old you are....That miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight get you out................

Do both and I might even apolgize.......... :rofl:

hehcarsheh

10-30-2003, 01:43 AM

longlivetheZ

10-30-2003, 01:59 AM

Swizeet.....Cizolin in da hizoooooous, beotch.......or something.......I'm white...... :loser:

Sam I am

10-30-2003, 05:25 PM

Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.

What the Sam Diddly Hell was that?!?!? Am I seeing straight? :sly: :sly:

svtcobra007x

10-30-2003, 05:48 PM

..................................

svtcobra007x

10-30-2003, 05:49 PM

svtcobra007x

10-30-2003, 05:54 PM

Dont worry your seeing straight, I worded it wrong, I didnt mean those kinds of turns, I meant like turning 40 mph on a turn into a neighborhood. He just doesnt get it.

Neutrino

10-31-2003, 12:08 AM

Hey man I have rode in sports cars, one of them being a BMW 330 Xi and my car is a 1989 Mustang GT Convertible(black top, red body, and silver ground effects), so I do have experience with sports cars. The Fox bodies didnt have as much horses as the new ones do because they start at like 225. But with the new headers that were put into my car, it bumps it up to around 240 horses.

http://www.modernengineuity.com/specs/05gt1.jpg

http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang9.jpg

Sorry man i couldnt find any totaled Mustangs..........just arent enough out there.;) I dont have to tell you my exact age but Ill tell you that its between 17-20.

sorry to but in here but riding in a sporty sedan as the 330Xi or even riding in a Mclaren F1 does not give you experience with sports cars....

working and doing reseaching on a sports car gives you technical experience

racing a sports car gives you driving experience

so either start working on your car or go to autocross competition and after you have enough experience try club racing

and the reason i have very little respect for most mustangs and their drivers is because all they care is how much power and torque they do....

the ones i do respect are the ones that actualy care about handling....i have a friend with a 5.0 that spend something like 10K just on handling and he has yet to touch the engine....how many ( much more powerful mustangs/other cars) do you think can keep up with him on a twisty road...very few....he just recently spanked a much more powerful vr4 on a canyon road....just trough skills and superior handling

the problem with mustangs is that they come with so-so handling stock(at best)...but they do have some huge aftermarket suport to make up for that...unfortunatelly most people send their money only on power upgrades

longlivetheZ

10-31-2003, 12:20 AM

Come on, man. You didn't even try. I found a whole PAGE dedicated to car accident pics. Found one mustang on there.

http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/accident_story/12-5-01.html

I've seen the new mustang already, read artical after artical about it, almost to the point of annoyance.

Now THIS is a cobra...not a damn mustang with a little snake emblem on it...

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/images/9454ccbannerr.gif

Had a highly modded mustang get on the freeway behind me today. That car wasn't too bad...'bout damn time I see a unique mustang. It was waaaaaaaaaaaay lowered, cowl hood (bleh), convertable with the arch thing. It looked pretty cool.

Let's play a game...you lost the last one, so we'll try another one. I'm hopin your cool and aren't gunna go rat on me like a little girl. This is a contest. We have to hunt around on the net for cars and parts and see who can put the faster car together using less money. You can use any sites you want, but you must put them in here as a referance (show where you found the car you "bought", what site you "bought" the blah blah blah off of, etc). We both must start with a stock, plane jane (mine only comes one way, you have to use either the V6...yea right....or the GT) car and go look for mods for it. You put together a car that is reasonably agreed will beat mine, and I'll take you out. If we can't reach an agreement, we start 2 new threads for judging...one in the mustang forum, one in the Z forum. This will be fun.

longlivetheZ

10-31-2003, 01:27 AM

This one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=146016887&dealer_id=&car_year=1994&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&certified=n&address=41091&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1990&color=&cardist=1894) would be daaaaaaaamn fast, but that would take the fun out of it.

What's I'd make:

Car (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=144474792&dealer_id=&car_year=1990&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&first_record=101&certified=n&address=41091&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1990&=&color=&cardist=1850): 1990 300ZX twin turbo. $16,000

Mods: "Purchased" with stage III mods (using SGP's staging chart, Stage III is Intake and underdrive pully, Chip, and SGP test pipe {replaces the catalytic converters} netting you approx 385-400hp). The seller said stage III, so we're just going to assume that that's what's on the car for the sake of argument. Now....let's see....I'm just going to go aaaaaaaall out and not worry about how much money it cost for now....not until you show me what you did....then I can adjust as necessary.

Stage IV is cat back exhaust. $1,149 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/9096nis3025w.html). 400-415 hp.
Stage V is boost controller. Top of the line. $544 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/greddyeo1.html) 420-435 hp.
Stage VI is NOS. Doesn't have a price. (http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/nitrous.htm). 490-505 hp.
Stage VII is upgraded intercooler and radiator. $1,045 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/apra3fm1.html) and $565 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/90nis30ttna.html). 495-510 hp.
Stage VIII is Twin POP charger. Another term for intake, just a diff kind. Already on when car was "purchased".
Stage IX is Ported Trottle Bodies/Matched Intake. However much that costs...I don't know...I'd have to call them. I'll be generous and say $500. I wouldn't think it would be more then that.
Stage X is 555 / 740 / 850cc Injector Upgrade. I'd go with the 850cc injectors so I don't have to worry about falling short. Damned $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/rcen75infor9.html). 530-545 hp.
I have some options as far as where I go from here. I'm going all out. I'm going to do a cam upgrade, $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/jwtwilcamset.html), a rebuilt head, $325 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgpracarphea.html), and I'm going to get the moster daddy turbo upgrade, $2,500 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgptdo6upfor.html). Over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels.

Grand total: $24,628
I made a car with over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels for nearly half the cost of a new Cobra. Those are all horsepower mods, though. I'd still have to get a new clutch to handle that power, new brakes, do some suspention work, etc....I wouldn't stop there. I could make it into the perfect car in every way for $30,000 or less.

Oh yea...check this (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/kyl93nis30.html) out. Low 10 second daily driver.

svtcobra007x

11-01-2003, 02:28 PM

Can the car be any year?

mikegee

11-01-2003, 07:42 PM

i have no idea what this thread is about but i do have my 2 cents to add. the 350z may be the most beautiful car ive ever seen. and the proformence is great always have been when it comes to the Z cars. the only people that would say it sucks are the strait line muscle heads. why would ya want to pay more then 30 grand for a V8 muscle car that is being out ran by a cheaper 4banger. i dont get it. im not biest i just like speed in a strait line and corner. and i like the cheaper cars too. and i love drifting can wait to try it.

longlivetheZ

11-03-2003, 02:15 AM

svt: I don't care what year. Just as long as it's not some 1 in 1,000 car that is just not very realistic. Has to be a common production car.

Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.

I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.

I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.

svtcobra007x

11-03-2003, 07:06 PM

I like the part where you said the "An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too."

http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg

longlivetheZ

11-04-2003, 03:11 AM

Damn right....tis good shit.

Grim13

11-04-2003, 03:31 AM

*Sigh* I was afraid of this... mass recall on the Z for a fault in the engine. Fortunately, the problem isn't too serious.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/dowjones/20031030/bs_dowjones/200310300334000677

I'm really digging the 2005 Mustang. It's looks absolutely badass!!

http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?whichpage=3&sortyBy=&pagesize=8&car_id=6651&vehicleTypeID=0&PrintAllPictures=true

mikegee

11-04-2003, 06:03 PM

svt: I don't care what year. Just as long as it's not some 1 in 1,000 <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; that is just not very realistic. Has to be a common production car.

Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.

I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.

I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.

an inline six in the grand national this car was fastest then any other production car of that year under an american badge. that tell me something. i cant understand what is so great about a 5.7 liter v8 making 280 hp and 285 lbs/ft of t. and callin it great power. ahhhh no a 280 hp inline 4 is something special. strait line power is good but if you cant turn whats the point. i highly disagree with someone who thinks turning isnt important.

longlivetheZ

11-05-2003, 02:35 AM

The Grand National was actually good enough to make it into my sig...THAT should tell you something.

V8's just aren't needed...you can get as much or more power out of a 4 cylinder these days then you can out of a V8 with better reliability, less moving parts, and with better fuel economy. Some people would argue that you don't get the "low end pull" of a V8, though........meh....fast is fast, for the most part.

9ball

11-05-2003, 10:19 AM

The Grand National was a v6, not an inline 6 and the picture you have isn't a Grand National, it's a Regal T-Type turbo. All Grand Nationals were black but the T-Type was available in silver/black and maroon that I know of. I don't know why you guys are v8 haters. Have you ever built a high performance engine? I turn red in the face arguing with ignorant people on the internet. There is no replacement for displacement and that's it. People make stupid comparisons all the time by saying that if a highly tuned 4 cylinder makes more power than a stock V8 then 4 cylinders must be better than 8. That is STUPID!!! The same arguement goes on in the muscle car world as well. There is a crowd that says "you can get just as much power out of small block chevy as you can a big block." NO YOU CAN'T!!!! Not when the level of tuning is considered. If you want proof, look at professional drag racing. Unlimited, all balls, get down the quarter as fast as you can drag racing. They run what's called "mountain motors." They build a 8 or 9 liter v8, boosted, nitrous, and get it to turn about 10,000 rpm which cranks out about 8000 horsepower.

spitz7985

11-05-2003, 01:11 PM

Grim,

Not to worry the cars are great....The Engine is bullet proof.

I did here of a few early trannies that whined but Nissan took care of them.

If I was not already on a list for an ELISE I would not be selling my Track model for a song......

Later
Pat

omg, you lucky bastard. that is THE car! 12 flat with only 190hp and well over 1G cornering. if i only had the money.....

svtcobra007x

11-05-2003, 05:56 PM

mikegee

11-05-2003, 06:20 PM

I agree with 9-Ball, he knows what he's talking about. V8's have power.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg

Damn, the 428 V8 supercharged engine in this baby has some of the greatest, throatiest sounds ever and would be my first muscle car pick.

it each his own. but if we are depateing bout no replacement for displscement then not a 16 cylinder. oh a highly tuned inline 4 awwww poor baby. in order to get good power out of a v8 you have to tune it. as for drag racing there is plenty of 7 sec. inline 4s. planty of inline 4 cranking out more then 1200hp true its not 6000 but itll be done and can be done to an inline 4. argue this point til you are red in the face ill argue it til im blue in the face. 4 bangers aint goin nowhere. and stock 4 cylinder making 260 pound foot of torque and still costing under $22,000 come on now my stock grand am out ran a ford mustang v8 and all i have is a 2.2 Liter 4 and that was not a launch that was a rolling start at around 25 mph

mikegee

11-05-2003, 06:24 PM

350Zyprexa

11-05-2003, 10:56 PM

svtcobra007x

11-06-2003, 03:02 PM

Here's the original quote, what a moron...

He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg

mikegee

11-06-2003, 05:39 PM

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

there is nothing in this would that is man made that is even close to being perfect.

mikegee

11-06-2003, 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

ford makes terrible trannies.

troutfishin02

11-06-2003, 11:54 PM

I just have a reply for the svt cobra guy - you aren't flaming, you sound cool, I don't want to pick a fight or anything - but I will say this - I've had my 350Z for over a year now - and I've yet to lose a race to a Mustang GT. (The six cylinder isn't even worth mentioning).
The F-bodies, on the other hand, hold their own very well, (I'm talking non-modded cars on all accounts, mine included)... A Z-28 is almost even and will pull on me a little, and I've had a WS6 and a Camaro SS that both pulled on me but gave me a thumbs up and said "that is a FAST car"...
I haven't paired up with a new SVT, but I'm sure they will eat me up, as I said, I'm not trying to flame, either - but I'd like to take on a stock LS1 or SVT on a road race, any day - the Z handles like a dream.
Peace out.

OoNismoO

11-07-2003, 03:30 AM

svtcobra007x, hey nice pics, my favorite muscle car would be the 69 boss mustang 429.

svtcobra007x

11-07-2003, 04:35 PM

I see what you are saying Trout. You are absolutely correct when it comes to beating Mustang Gts on the road with your new Z. They come with more power than a GT even though they are V6's. Ford for some reason does not include a lot of power with the GT's and looking back on the past models, it is obviously repetitive. When it comes to SVTs, yea probably the Nissan will lose in a race and all. But you have to remember that SVTs come with more power under the hood, especially the Cobra R, so they are kinda of in different classes. Though if you put a turbo or any other mod under the hood of your Nissan, you will probably bump up to the Cobra's class and then they compare to one another. Maybe the 2005 Mustang GT will start to compare more with the Z considering the fact that they are putting around 280 to 310 horses under the hood, and also using a lighter chassis which the Ford Thunderbird also uses.

http://www.timemachinesinc.com/pics/boss429/Dscn0006.jpg

OoNismoO, it is a very nice muscle car, with the 429 under the hood it sounds great.

svtcobra007x

11-07-2003, 04:56 PM

Yo LonglivetheZ, remove that sig before the admin. does, you gotta understand I didn't mean what you thought. Yea I know I didnt finish that car competition thing but I will. Though I dont need to finish that in order for that sig to be removed. Come on man play it cool.

mikegee

11-07-2003, 06:41 PM

350Zyprexa

11-08-2003, 03:58 PM

Grim13

11-08-2003, 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

True, no car is perfect, I guess my point had more to do with someone starting a thread called "350Z Sucks!" in a 350Z forum when they obviously have never even driven one.

I have yet to experience any internal problems with my '04 Touring model but the car is so much fun to drive that I would put up with any that arose.

Dude, you're the moron. You don't have to buy the car in order to make a judgement. You think I have to buy a Pinto in order to know it suck?
I can clearly make an appropriate car purchase and even make a general statement about mechanical issue and such, with the knowledge abtained from other car owners and forum. Plus, put on some glasses and read the original thread carefully, dude - I'm not even dissing the Z. As a matter of fact, it's the quite the opposite.

svtcobra007x

11-09-2003, 12:47 PM

I know you are obviously not dissing it but why does the title of this forum say "350z Sucks!"? I believe the person who started it points to you. I dont know..........just doesnt make sense...........

Grim13

11-09-2003, 02:50 PM

Why should I refrain myself from posting a contestable topic? This is a reasonable thread as any others and issues that are raised here are informative to me, nonetheless. Your original issue that you had with me is that how can I make a judgement call about the car when I don't own one. With a moderate research, a person, clearly, does not have to own anything in order to make a valid opinion about the product. Before I bought my brand new '99 sr5 4runner, I already knew that it was a stable car. As for the 350z, I'm still not completely sure about it's mechanical stability. That's why I'm here - to get some assurance before I, potentially, plot down an enormous amount of money ($3500)for the Veilside 3 bodykit, 4k for the stillen super charger, which I'll put on before I even start driving it).

svtcobra007x

11-09-2003, 07:38 PM

ghetto7o2azn

11-20-2003, 09:40 PM

well i think making a post that says "350z Sucks!" was smart... i mean if you want attention then y not dis a car in its own section? lol makes sense to me.

When this post first started you wrote that a mustang could kill any jap crap car nissan... first of all try not to offend people with the racial slurs... i myself am japanese... secondly in the late 80's ford's reliabuility was considered "almost" as good as the worst japanese car which was mazda at the time because they just started using the rotary engine which was the size of a v4 had the power of a v6 but ate gas like a v8... well they improved them a lot now... japanese cars are at the top of the reliabuility department right next to german cars... finally any nissan? you may have changed your mind by now cause i read all the posts but im suprised no one even mentioned the nissan skyline... i mean cmon its one of the fastests cars out... he was talking about super cars like saleens n other crap y not talk about the skyline which by the way i have seen have up to 1250hp run low 9's... id like to see a mustang do that without blowing up... not to mention it has 4wd so its cornering is better than good...

ill tell the truth now..i dont kno much about mustangs but i agree that more displacement is better if you want a really fast car but the thing is that american companies ONLY look at the displacement and power so they get a huge engine, put it on a heavy chasis, and huge tires in the rear... ok so it should launch fast? they don't do much to reduce weight or improve turning... i believe that the older dodge viper's engine is considered one of the worse engines made... even the new one is pretty slow compared to the power... most cars with that much power would most likey run 11's depending on which car... Also i hate the cheap CRAP that they put on mustangs... i have always known that the side scoops were fake knoing that it is a front engine car but i thought that the front scoop was real.. i mean y not... i just assumed that it worked and accepted it but one day i was curiouse and i walked up to one to see a peice of plastic... how areodynamic is that!?! thats got to ad about 50 horses dont u think!?! i mean i think that the wrx's scoops is a little over done but at least it works...

a lot people say u get more "bang for the buck" when you buy an american car like a mustang but not by me... maybe you get more power for the buck but definately not the quality lol... well i kno ur probably bored of listening to me now so ill end it here...

mikegee

11-21-2003, 05:59 AM

i just cant understand y people think american cars are so great. "oh they have v8 power with 300 horses" but only running high 14s to mid 15s. "its a different kinda power itll snap ya neck back and thorugh you in the seat" whats the point of all that power if theres no traction and worst of all whats the point of all that power if ya just arnt going anywhere. i dont wanna blow thrown back in my seat i wanna run high 14's with just 225 front wheel horse power and pay less then $23,000 for it. and as for the skyline i seen report of a gt-r being put on a dyno and the read outs were about 358whp. and that stang that has 300hp aint getting that power to the ground.

ghetto7o2azn

11-21-2003, 07:31 PM

thats y i love the skyline so much :smile: its got lots of power and can actually use it for racing and not just burning out... i just wish they would sell it in america... i kno that the new one is but i think that one is damn ugly and i think they said that it was heavier too.. a little tooned down... :mad: thats pretty gay but hey... its a skyline and i probably wont be able to afford it, well not ne time soon...

svtcobra007x

11-23-2003, 05:38 PM

The Nissan Skyliner may be a fast car but why dont you people look at the big picture. They dont make Ford Mustangs to race on the tracks or even Cobras. Its Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen that take these Mustangs and make them raceable. Oh cmon, you guys are bullshitting your Skyliner so much. A Saleen SR compares if not faster than a Skyliner. And I am also a big fan of Saleen, so I can use the S7 if I chose to. The Saleen S7, check out the stats, is a fast mutha(0-60: 3.3s). You might pay around 300,000-400,000 but when it comes to racing, it is on the top charts of one of the fastest cars in the world. No not individual countries, the WORLD.

I dont know what year this skyline GTR is but it is rather recent. I want you to look at 0-60. Looks like 4.7 seconds. And top speed doesnt really compare with S7.
http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/gt-rspecs.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/images/saleen-s7-03.jpg

longlivetheZ

11-24-2003, 12:02 AM

Dude......QUIT bringing up the damn S7...it costs as much as a damn HOUSE. It BETTER be fast as hell for that much money.

The Skyline is a very fast car. Around 4.8 stock. It's true beauty is in it's potential. You can pick one up in New Zealand, Europe, and Japan for less then 30,000 US dollars and it would make the S7, which costs around 4 times as much, look twice. You try comparing all these extreme Saleens and mustangs to the STOCK 350Z....they SHOULD be compared to the Skyline.

...ill tell the truth now..i dont kno much about mustangs but i agree that more displacement is better if you want a really fast car...

Pretty dumb statement. For example....one of the fastest cars ever made...Porsche 959 (I actually SAW ONE!!!) was a flat 6, electronically controlled AWD (very similar to the Skyline), sequential turbo charged (Like the late Supra) and did not have a very large engine. This car has been compared to the McLaren F1 (the Holy Grail of cars) and the Ferrari F40 (amazing car). The ONLY V8 that Porsche EVER had in production was the 928. Damn fast car. But look at the 911s...the 996 is fucking INSANE...they're fast STOCK (spedo registers 190...it'll do about 200 STOCK) and people modify them. The early 90s 911 (the twin turbo with the all wheel drive...keep wanting to say 993, but I don't think that's right) is painfully fast too. These cars will hurt you and they are all 6 cylinders. You definately do NOT need 8+ cylinders to be very, veeeeeeery fast. I think the inline 6 cylinder is one of the best designs for an engine. 2JZ-GTE (late model turbo supras)...RB26DETT (Nissan Skyline)...these are engines that most V8's and V10's wish they were. The RB26DETT is nothing but a detuned race engine. I've read pretty extensivly on the background of this car and it's engine. This car was built as a car for racing in Japan. It completely dominated all....and I'm not exaggerating. It's from THIS RACE CAR that they made the road car from. The engine can run over 500hp on stock internals without breaking a sweat. These cars are more then able to keep up with any car you can think of and are capable of over 210mph...0-60 in who the hell knows.....as fast as you want. You do not need more then 6 cylinders to go extremely fast. More then that is just over kill.

All in all, the bottom line is:

Nissan makes some of the best cars out.....not to mention some of the best performance cars ever made.

V8s are over kill.

Mustangs are wastes of metal.

Domestic manufacturers are just starting to be on the same level as the
Import manufacturers.

There are exceptions, though.

If you have beef with Nissan, bring it. This company has, and continues to, make phenomenal automobiles.

V8s have their pros. A V8, V10 or V12 in the hands of a skilled builder like Ferrari, Porsche (check out the article about the Carrara GT in this month's issue of either Motor Trent, Car and Driver, or Road and Track...always get them kinda mixed up) or Lamborghini. You have to remember though....just about ANY engine can be made powerful with enough money.

You think Mustangs are good? I'll disprove anything you can say about them. However...some old mustangs are pretty cool.

The Japanese car companies (Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi) and German car companies (Benz, Porshe, VW, etc) have made far better cars then American car companies (Ford, Chev, GMC, etc) for a long time. However...once again...there are exceptions....there have been some nice domestics, especially in the old days. Caddies, old mustangs, GMC and FORD make good trucks, I've always kinda liked the Vettes.

If anyone cares to argue any of the above, I'm open to it. These are my beliefs and they will remain that way until something or someone changes my mind. They were formed by many hours of research, personal experience, and what mechanical knowledge I have regarding engines. I'm not the smartest person in the world or the God of cars or anything...don't get me wrong. I def don't know everything, nor do I think I do. (True knowledge is knowing how truely little you know. --Don't remember who said that. It's very true though.) I'm open to debate and I welcome the challenge.

mikegee

11-24-2003, 08:36 AM

mikegee

11-24-2003, 08:38 AM

it may be less then car car lenth to 60 but its a race car not a drag car its made for a complicated road course.

svtcobra007x

11-24-2003, 06:46 PM

I was never comparing the Saleen S7 to the Z, I compared it to the Skyline. And yes I did check out the stats of the "Nissan R390 GT1 Road", and its really damn close. The GT1 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and the S7 in 3.3 seconds. They both have relatively the same top speed and in my opinion the S7 looks better. S7 also has cool features like the doors opening upwards. Oh shit, I said the name "S7", sorry LonglivetheZ I shouldnt have brought that car up. Dude I dont just have to bring up the Stangs, which in fact pack in more power than a Z (especially that new Mustang thats about to round the corner), stock GT will be included with more horses than a stock Z. You better hope the Z has a chance with the new Cobras and possibly Shelbys. Well I expect more criticism on my last few statements from you people, especially LonglivetheZ. For God sakes I said that Mustangs have more power than the Z, its the end of the world.

Cmon, what else you got..............I hate repeating myself
to Nissan diehards..........

ghetto7o2azn

11-24-2003, 10:12 PM

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

your comparing the 911's with 6 cylinders but open ur eyes... wut is a turbo charger doing? its basically making the engine act like it has more displacement by shoving more air in the cylinders... in that case the 6 cylinder can have as much power as a larger engine...

as for the S7... yeah ur comparing a stock skyline with a stock S7.. ok where is your common sense? you could buy a skyline for 40,000 n then use the other 360,000 for upgrades and make the skyline faster than the S7... you hardly even need that much money to make a skyline go over 200 mph...

you hate repeating yourself? well you dont understand that what your repeating is really quite meaningless... ok, so the new stang puts out more power... thats good for them... hmm lets think of this... nsx-r does 1/4 mile in low 12's w/ 290hp ... 2003 dodge viper also low 12's with 500hp 500ft lbs of torque... ok so were talking about a v6 vs a v10... they are basically just as fast as the other... IN A STRAIT LINE... ford is also like this... yeah you say, who cares if a car can corner fast, well this also shows that just because it has more power doenst mean its faster... i would REALLY like to see some of the numbers the new stang puts out... please show me how much power the stang needs to be a couple tenths of a second faster than a v6 350z...

mikegee

11-25-2003, 07:21 AM

svtcobra007x

11-25-2003, 04:00 PM

Dont worry ghetto, you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out. Im not going to lie to you but I have heard that they are at least going to put 280hp on the GT. They are also using the Ford Thunderbird chassis which is lighter than what they are currently using. They said at first they were going to put a 390 hp supercharged engine in the GT but it could go either way.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster so dont get your hopes up when you say you can take a 40,000 Skyline and mod it to be better. You are just saying that because you think it can be faster when in fact you dont know what you are talking about. Yea you might come close but the S7 has a lot of extra sporty features that the skyline doesnt have and also their remarkable braking system.

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

Jared_80

11-25-2003, 05:21 PM

Whats up with the Z I thought that it was a proformance car? I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60. It is a pretty car but where is the proformance that we come to expect form an import proformance car? Does Nissan paln to fix this because the Evos and WRXs and even the Mustangs are beating them.

longlivetheZ

11-26-2003, 01:31 AM

Oh God....where to start....

I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60.

It's an SRT-4. Yea...it's a turbocharged and intercooled I-4. Fast little cars, man....especially for around $20,000. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. They're at their max, though. That's as fast as it'll get. The Z...the sky's the limit. The aftermarket is growing exponentially. You obviously haven't drivin the new Z...the Z is an amazing performance car.

Evos and WRX's don't beat it by much, if any. Plus, they're turboed already. A Z with forced induction would make them cry. As far as mustangs? Ehhh...no. The only mustang that will beat the Z is the Cobra and it's more expensive, has a way larger engine, is supercharged, and doesn't handle as well.

...you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out.

They sure have a lot of official stats out there about them for them being in the so near future...hope you sense the deep sarcasm. All I can find are estimates and guesses. All of those estimates are for the supercharged V8, too. Here you are again comparing a stock, NA V6 to a supercharged V8.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster...

BULLSHIT! You're damn crazy. Find me ONE MOD for that car. I dare you. That's like saying you can mod an Indy car. You're a friggin moron. Besides...you can have an R34 Skyline in the US (having gone through all the red tape and all the bullshit the american govn't makes them go through to be street legal here) for ~$100,000 or less, spend an INSANE $100,000 on mods, blow the doors off anything on the road (including the S7), and STILL have enough money left to buy the car it's own small house and yourself dinner for a year.

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

Down killer...I did read your post. I remember asking my dad when I was....like....7 or so, "does more cylinders mean more power?". One would logically think more cylinders, more power, but that's not the way it works with engines, man. If that was true, we'd have 32 cylinder cars and whatnot. It's just not practical. Why have 8, 10, 12 cylinders with forced induction and nitrous and all kinds of other shit when you can keep it simple, reduce weight, and reduce the number of moving parts? All you need is 6 at the most. The reason I brought up the Porsches is to prove the point that you don't need 8+ cylinders to go fast. Sure...you can make a TT V8 pushing 700 hp. But let's see you drive that down the road. God forbid you need to change the spark plugs. Friend of mine has a stock Camaro (new one...anniv edition conv...nice car) that he had to take to the dealership to get the SPARK PLUGS changed. You have to DROP THE ENGINE to get to the rear 2 plugs because they're under the dash board...What a pain in the ass. Imagine having to do routine maint. It'd cost an arm and a leg. Why not have my normal old I6/V6 do the same thing and be able to take it to my little, local mechanic and get it worked on? Even do it myself for that matter. This is an example: http://www.myttz.com/. That site isn't up to date, either. If you read the page, he talks about getting new turbos. Well...they're on there now. Read about it on another site, but I can't remember the address. I remembered that one, though...easy to remember. The car is now over 700 hp at the rear wheels. All from a V6. Why have 8283764827365135 moving parts, get 7mpg, and and that weighs 283658723642 lbs when I can get MORE then enough power out of 6 cylinders? I don't care for 4 cylinders much because they usually don't have much torque until the higher rpms. A 6 cylinder has the best of both worlds...fewer moving parts, better reliablity, high revs and good low end torque. You think you need lots of cylinders and huge displacement to go fast? You're living under a rock if you do. I've seen a 4000 hp 4 cylinder dragster in a magazine. It was an integra engine running 2 of the biggest turbos I've ever seen and nitro methane. It was a funny car running.....like.......7's or something.....I don't remember. I've also seen what appeard to be a regular, run of the mill, average Civic that runs 10s. Guy had the engine rebuilt. No turbo, no nitrous, all motor 10s. Redlined at 10,500 rpms. Thing was sick. That guy with the Camaro even saw it. He was telling me about how he had some dumb ass civic kick his ass and hurt his pride. I was like "DUDE!?!? Was it light blue...pretty normal looking...little slats on the front quarter panels?"....that was the car. You don't need more then 6 cylinders. You just don't. A 6 cylinder can do everything a V8+ can.

I'm tired....I've rambled enough.

nacho_nissan

11-26-2003, 03:00 PM

ghetto7o2azn

11-26-2003, 06:58 PM

i kno that v6's will put out more power than you will ever need, but i was talking about drag wise, not about courses... i myself will never want a v8 mustang or a v10 dodge viper... i am happy right now with my 1994 mr2 4 cylinder 2.0L 3S-GTE engine which by the way with the right mods can put out over 700hp and run low 10's

and yes more cylinders doenst mean more power but it does help in some ways... as for the moving parts, that is why i think mazda will someday be on top of the sports cars... their rotary engines are small, have very little moving parts, and have lots of power... (rx7 is a 1.3L engine)...i kno this doesnt have much to do witht the subject but i thought it was kool... the new bugatti is a W16 and a pretty insane car that does 0-60 in under 3 but i dont even want to know what the price is :smile:

svtcobra007x

11-26-2003, 10:20 PM

nacho_nissan

11-26-2003, 11:08 PM

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.
u forgot the skyline has a big brother named R390 Gt1!Just give it up fool! First you started out with a pussy ass stang,Then we showed you how its nothin against a NA V6,and u have to get other cars in this.. :rolleyes:

longlivetheZ

11-27-2003, 01:25 AM

Hey,yall are forgeting about the Tommy Kaira ZZII.This car has a RB26DETT,mid engine,all-wheel-drive.pushes about 500hp.Those pussy ass mustangs dont got shit on it.Hey,now's my turn to do unfair comparissons.What would a V6 mustang have on this car huh??Stupid svtcobra007x.! Mustangs suck,they have to get somebody to tune their cars cause they cant do it on their own.
I'm just a 15 y/o with a 91' stock sentra my parents gave me. It has a 1.6l engine(ga16de).yah u could laugh,but i run -0.1 second 1/4 against a v6 94 stang.. :naughty:

You friggin rock, man. I didn't know the ZZII has the RB in it. I'm gunna dig up some info on that car...has my interest now. V6 mustangs are shit, V8 mustangs are lame, and the Cobras are almost alright. I agree with everything you said in that post. You're a good man.... :iceslolan

...i was talking about drag wise, not about courses...

Ehh....ooooooook....drag wise....what difference does it make? A 4 cylinder can be just as fast as a V8 and a V8 can be just as fast as a 4 cylinder on a track or a strip....what you said makes no sense. What do you mean that "more cylinders does mean more power in some ways"? I think you are using faulty logic that has no grounds. You seem to have this thought that "more cylinders means more power" and you don't seem to know why. I wanna know how you justify that.

As for the rotaries, I was going to bring those up, but I didn't want to ramble any more. I've read up a bit on them in the past. RX-7 stands for Rotary Experimental 7. Engines were intended for use in aircraft due to their low number of moving parts. INGENIOUS creations, they are. Who ever thought that up was either insane or a genious...maybe a little of both. They're completely explained on www.howstuffworks.com. Very cool site, too. There are only 3 moving parts in a 2 rotary engine, the crank and the 2 rotors, so one would think it would be amazingly reliable. In the beginning, they had some...ehh...."minor kinks".... :p and a lot of engine fires were the result. They are (or were, at least...the Renesis engine used in the new RX-8 has probably been improved since the early days...one would hope, anyway) extremely inefficient. They had horrid emmisions and gas milage. Can be very powerful and they are very light, so they do have potential. The RX-7 and RX-8 handle very well due to the engines and cars being so light.

The W16.....fuck that in the ass hole.....extremely expensive to build, extremely expensive to buy, extrememly expensive to own, extrememely expensive to maintain.....basically just way too damn expensive. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many moving parts. To hell with that. I can do the same damn thing with a 6 cylinder. Pretty cool cars, though.

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

Oh God....The fastest Skyline? What is "the fastest skyline"? Is there a great big sign over it saying "this is the fastest skyline there is, ever will be, or ever was"?

You are so damned closed minded that it's funny.....you only look at 0-60 and 1/4 times. If I JUST wanted to get to 60 as fast as possible, I'm sure I could tune the car, change out some gears, and get to 60 in 1 second. But that'd be IT. I'd have a top speed of 60 miles per hour. Or...if I was going for top speed, I could tune the car, change out the gearing for top end, and have a top speed of 250 or something....I'd have to go across the US in a straight line, but (I hope) you get my point. My point is that cars can be made to do whatever you want...it is the cars that can do everything extremely well that are truely amazing. Who CARES if this car beats that car by a few fucking MILLISECONDS!?!?...even though I doubt it does. I know a Skyline can be built up to spank the shit out of anything you want. You have fun modding your $400,000 S7...ya damned idiot. Tell me what the Skyline's rear license plate says as I kick your ass on my way to my house I bought with the money I had left over from NOT buying a nearly half million dollar car.

mikegee

11-27-2003, 08:32 AM

longlivetheZ

11-27-2003, 03:20 PM

fords problems is not there engine number kinda impressive to me its there wheel numbers most of the time the mustang gt will loss 100 hp through its drivetrain.

Ehhh....whaaaaaaaaaat the hell? Were you drunk when you wrote that? Made noooooooooooooooo sense at all, but I think I know what you were getting at. I think you were saying the engines weren't bad, just the drivetrain sucks. I think the whole damn car sucks ass. Tell me one thing that is impressive about mustangs?

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

Yea yea yea....Ford has a 420 HP engine. Wheee. Chevy has a 700+ hp (I believe 720 hp) crate engine called the ZZ2 or something like that. I dunno...it's chevy...don't know chevy...just remember seeing a commercial for it. I can buy a damn RB26DETT off ebay for $7,000 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2444016283&category=33615 WOULD I buy one off ebay....maybe.....maybe not....but I could)...why would I wanna buy a POS ford engine.

mikegee

11-27-2003, 05:04 PM

yea thats just what i meant there drive train sucks.

z33guy

11-27-2003, 05:17 PM

wow, this thread turned to shit before it even started :uhoh: :nono:

nacho_nissan

11-27-2003, 10:35 PM

where is that gay svtcobra007x?? Did he pussy out that fast?? fag... He's proly just looking for another car to replace the S7,just like he did when he found out the stangs aint shit!

ghetto7o2azn

11-28-2003, 01:31 AM

well obviously i dont think i can explain very well what im trying to get at with the whole cylinders n power thing.... so im just gonna screw that thing over :)

n/e wayz, yeah the first gen wankle rotars were pretty shakey... when mazda first started using them, they were considered the least reliable JAPANESE car company, BUT still more reliable than ford.... the rotary was the size of a 4 cylinder, put out power like a 6 cylinder, n ate gas like an 8 cylinder... but they have been improving it ever since... and the only thing about about it that i can think of is reliabuility you say its good but i have heard otherwise... yes, though it may have very little moving parts... think of the friction of the rotary compared to a clyinder... clyinders are smooth and slide along the sides, but there are many moving parts, rotaries on the other hand... the edges have to rub along the side causing it to wear down faster than a usually car, but im betting that they will get this problem fixed sometime soon... hell, maybe they already did with the rx8, but i dont think there are many rx8's with over 150,000 mi on it to test it out :)

also, i dont think this guy knos how much $400,000 dollars is and what you could buy with it.... and does he mean fastest modified or fastest stock?

svtcobra007x

11-28-2003, 02:11 AM

u forgot the skyline has a big brother named R390 Gt1!Just give it up fool! First you started out with a pussy ass stang,Then we showed you how its nothin against a NA V6,and u have to get other cars in this.. :rolleyes:

No actually dipshit I was comparing the S7 to the R390 Gt1. Better start reading the past posts before you post something that makes you look like an idiot. Look up the damn stats and stop looking at how long the title of the car is. 15 y/o huh?..........how can you make comments like these when you havent had hardly any driving experience........that last post you made definitely verified your age(sounded like you're in seventh grade).

How did you show that the stang is nothing against a Z, i dont think you contributed to the cause, at least im trying and not making smart ass comments. Depends what your comparing. Most of this is based on speed.

Stock Mustang vs Z Nissan Wins
Mustang GT vs Z Nissan wins
Svt 2003 Cobra vs Z Mustang wins
SVT 2000 Cobra R vs Z Mustang wins
Saleen S-281 vs Z Mustang Wins
Saleen 2-281-E vs Z Mustang wins
Saleen SR(Yup its a stang) vs Z Mustang Wins
Steeda Mustang(any type) vs Z Mustang wins
Rousche Mustang (ONe of the fastest ones) vs Z Mustang wins
Popularity Mustang Wins
American Muscle Mustang wins
Kick ass 2005 model Mustang wins

Not enough Z models to compare with......Mustang has more of a variety, which is a definite advantage. I don't know how much the above would change if a turbo was put on the Z. Maybe a couple if not none.

Give me credit people..........im brave enough to argue this in a Nissan forum..............if I were in a Ford forum, their arguments would be completely more positive toward the Mustang then the Z. But in this Nissan forum, I'm experiencing the complete opposite.

nacho_nissan

11-28-2003, 02:33 PM

Oh for real?? I sound like A 7TH grader. B!tch you say your 17 and also sound like a 7th grader. It doesnt take balls to come argue in the nissan forum,it takes stupidity! Why cant you stop bringin up the "2004-05 stang"..I dont see any 2005 mustangs out there! Maybe you should just get your hating ass out of here. Your gonna loose anyway! And it's like the special olympics,even if you win,ur still retarded...

svtcobra007x

11-28-2003, 08:28 PM

Nacho, your last post was probably the worst post in the few posts that you have ever made at automotiveforums.com. Not criticizing, but start "b!tching" about cars instead of "b!tching" about people.

"It doesnt take balls to come argue in the nissan forum,it takes stupidity!".......................How does it take stupidity? The reason i am arguing in this forum is because if you looked at the title "350Z Sucks!", it shows a very controversial issue where I can make arguments left and right.

"Why cant you stop bringin up the "2004-05 stang"..I dont see any 2005 mustangs out there!"........................No shit there's no 2005 Mustangs out there yet but relatively close. I'm bringing it up because it's going to be a big mark in their history. First of all its a celebration of 40 years of Mustang and Ford is coming out with a completely new model. Yea a new model that you might not hate as much(throwback to the late 60's, early 70's). Comes with more horses than the current standard and GT Mustang.

"Your gonna loose anyway!"..........................No i'm not going to "loose"...more evidence of age:). There is no losing in these forums unless you run out of ways to mod your car to be the toughest and the fastest out on the road than another car. There is so much you can do that it seems like no one will ever run out of ways to mod their cars.

"And it's like the special olympics,even if you win,ur still retarded..."...................LOL. You know what, I'm going to make one for you(just Nacho)...And its like posting in a forum, even if you post, you're still a dumbass

ghetto7o2azn

11-28-2003, 10:12 PM

that last comment doesnt make n/e sense at all :screwy:

rizzspeed

11-29-2003, 12:38 AM

Wow!
This is an interesting topic. You guys sure have gone at it pretty well. SVTCobra007x and LongLivetheZ, you guys are doing a pretty good job of comparison and keeping this debate alive. Congrats, I don't think I could've argued this long. LOL

Anyway, let me throw in my .02.

First off, if you're gonna compare cars, let's do like the magazines do. Let's compare the cars based on price. Ultimately that's what it's all about in the long run anyway. Since that's how we come up with classes for the cars and to keep things sorta fair.

The cobra mustangs and above are NOT comparable to the Z in it's stock form. The non-modified Z's and non-modified mustangs are the only ones comparable because of their non-modified status.

Now if you want to compare the Z to modified mustangs you should allow the Z the oppurtunity to make up the price difference. Since you're paying more for a modified car, it's only fair to compare it to another modified car. Once you do that you will see that the comparison changes. The companies that SVTCobra mentions, make their own versions of the mustangs. Nissan doesn't have that, so technically it's not comparable. But there is the aftermarket. So with comparable parts, like say the supercharger, the Nissan will have the edge. The Ford-based companies sell their versions basically with an 'add-on' package, right? You buy the mustang, then they send it out to get the 'conversion' done and you get it back. Or something similiar. Some dealerships might keep some in stock, I'm not sure on the details. My point is whatever is included in the Ford-based 'package' and it's cost should be reflected in the Nissan. If the Cobra package costs $10K, allow the Nissan $10K in similar mods. If the Mustang receives power mods along with suspension mods or aero, then the Z deserves the same to equal everything out. You can't compare a $40,50,or 60K car to a $30K car. You just can't. If you want to mention a $400K car, then you have to compare it with another $400k car or allow the price difference in mods. Like it was said before, you can't compare apples and oranges.

I'll apologize in advance to SVTCobra. The Nissan Skyline and the 350Z will be the better car in this respect. The Skyline, when first introduced, actually caused the demise of a whole championship series in Japan because the other car manufacturers couldn't compete. The deemed the car 'unbeatable.' The 350Z's power potential is still untapped because of the relative newness of the engine. The 350Z like its predecessors will prove its worth.

As far as the new Mustang that's on the horizon. I certainly hope the best for Ford. My experience with them (Ford) is quite lackluster. I also have known some people that have returned their SVT Cobras because of their lack of power. The rating that the manufacturer gives for their vehicles is at the flywheel. Unfortunately, what registers at the wheels is usually quite different. The Nissan 350Z states 287HP. Put it on a dyno though, you'll be looking at anywhere from 230-255hp at the wheels. It differs from car to car, of course. Unfortunately for Ford, their cars do much worse. I've seen losses of upto and including a 100hp loss from stated flywheel specs to the wheels. Either that transmission is extremely ineffecient and the driveshaft extremely heavy or the engine's not producing said spec. Bang for the buck is only reserved for the Mustang when comparing it to other domestics.

Just because others prefer imports to domestics doesn't mean that they're better. The Mustangs sell a number that I guarntee you that Nissan wishes it could meet with the Z. But the Z is a 'better bang for the buck',right? True, but society still holds the notion that American made is better. So, I say it's true. Why do I say that? Because it gives Americans jobs. But you also have to remember that most Nissans, Toyotas, and Hondas are made and sold right here in America as well. Japanese manufacturers have car assembly plants right here in the U.S. They employ American union workers, while some domestic car manufacturers have exported their jobs to places like Mexico and other Central American countries. While I don't mind that too much since I myself, am Hispanic and originate from one of those Central American countries, it kinda puts a damper on your arguement that American made is better.

LongLivetheZ does have a point. I know it's kinda hard to see through all the obscenities and put downs but it's there. You can't just look at one particular category when you compare cars. Sure 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times are important, but they are only a fraction of the overall picture. That's like saying you'll buy an old rusted out and non-running car just because the seats are soft. You're missing everything else just because you're so focused on what's important to you. If you'd read an article on car comparison, you'd notice that when they compare cars they look at many aspects of all the cars. 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, slalom, 60-0, and so on. So you kinda have to look past some of those numbers for the 'whole package.'

Most ppl don't buy a car based on 2 categories of it's performance. Would you buy a car that had great 0-60 and 1/4 mile times if it was shaped like a giant ass and handled like a wheelbarrow? I know it's an extreme analogy but it gets the point across.

Ok, I think I'm done with my novel now. :grinyes:

NISMO LMR

11-29-2003, 01:41 AM

damn Rizz. Get ur ass back over to Zdriver.com, your scaring these poor ppl. haha

rizzspeed

11-29-2003, 01:44 AM

Just trying to spread some knowledge.

NISMO LMR

11-29-2003, 02:14 AM

Haha, well you certainly did. haha

svtcobra007x

11-29-2003, 02:18 AM

that last comment doesnt make n/e sense at all :screwy:

Absolutely correct because why would my last post make sense when the post I was criticizing didn't make sense. See what I mean. Its hard to make sense out of a comment that never made sense to begin with. Keeps you thinking..............

Thanx for adding your 2 cents rizz. At least you didn't say anything overly negative about either the Mustang or the Z. But I want to mention that I just don't look at speed(though I like to argue about it here), but I look at how the car looks, how the car sounds, and how cool I would look to other people watching me cruise around the streets. If there was a car that looked extremely shitty to me but it was the fastest on the planet, I wouldn't buy it because of speed. If I had to choose between a shitty-lookin fast car and an eye candy average-speed car, I would choose the sporty lookin average-speed car. As long as it has decent acceleration, I would buy it.

rizzspeed

11-29-2003, 02:25 AM

So which of those two categories do you consider the Mustang and Z to be in? The Z is definitely a looker. Always has been always will be. The Mustang on the other had,imo, is quite dated. Still reminds me more of the older boxy versions then something modern. I guess that's why Ford finally decided to revamp it. Although, it's a bit too 'retro' for me. The conservative, non-imaginative direction that Ford went with doesn't surprise me though. The domestic car companies aren't really known for their risk taking or extravagant designs.

svtcobra007x

11-29-2003, 02:26 AM

longlivetheZ

11-29-2003, 07:15 PM

Wow!
This is an interesting topic. You guys sure have gone at it pretty well. SVTCobra007x and LongLivetheZ, you guys are doing a pretty good job of comparison and keeping this debate alive. Congrats, I don't think I could've argued this long. LOL

Sweet...thank you. Glad you enjoy it. This is a debate that has been going on for years and will go on for many more.

First off, if you're gonna compare cars, let's do like the magazines do. Let's compare the cars based on price. Ultimately that's what it's all about in the long run anyway. Since that's how we come up with classes for the cars and to keep things sorta fair.

The cobra mustangs and above are NOT comparable to the Z in it's stock form. The non-modified Z's and non-modified mustangs are the only ones comparable because of their non-modified status.

Thank you, sir. That's what I've been saying this whole time...maybe he'll listen to you (svtcobra007x).

LongLivetheZ does have a point. I know it's kinda hard to see through all the obscenities and put downs but it's there.

Ehh...I try very hard to refrain from just cussing and bitching and moaning and putting people down. I do not resort to this way of arguing until it has been brought apon me. I don't really like fire fights such as these.

Stock Mustang vs Z Nissan Wins
Mustang GT vs Z Nissan wins
Ok...that's fair...look at the result.
-----------------------
"Svt 2003 Cobra vs Z Mustang wins" <--Give me mods
"SVT 2000 Cobra R vs Z Mustang wins" <--not even the same TYPE of car.
"Saleen S-281 vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Saleen 2-281-E vs Z Mustang wins"
"Saleen SR(Yup its a stang) vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Steeda Mustang(any type) vs Z Mustang wins"
"Rousche Mustang (ONe of the fastest ones) vs Z Mustang wins"
Ok....the last 5 are just obsurd. They cost waaaaaaaay more and they waved bye bye to stock a looooong time ago.
-----------------------
"Popularity Mustang Wins" <--So? I like being diff...plus...we ARE in America...go to Japan...bet the Nissans are more popular over there.
American Muscle Mustang wins <--Eh...maybe off the line but that's IT. Also...what car are we talking about here? Aweful vague.
Kick ass 2005 model Mustang wins <--Sweet...can I ride in your time machine? See...I don't have one, so I don't know how the car that's nearly a year off is going to perform.

Not enough Z models to compare with......Mustang has more of a variety, which is a definite advantage.

Umm...why is that an advantage?

I don't know how much the above would change if a turbo was put on the Z. Maybe a couple if not none.

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did.

Give me credit people..........im brave enough to argue this in a Nissan forum..............if I were in a Ford forum, their arguments would be completely more positive toward the Mustang then the Z.

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Bring the Ford guys...come on...I'll take em on...they're trying to defend an inferior car...won't cause me a problem.

But I want to mention that I just don't look at speed

No...you look at lots of stuff...0-60 and 1/4 mile....

but I look at how the car looks

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.

how the car sounds

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.

how cool I would look to other people watching me cruise around the streets

HA...wow...I see a guy in a mustang and I think "hey...it's another mustang ass hole". Just about EVERY person I've EVER known that had a mustang was a dick head.

Hope I wasn't too offensive for everyone........

mikegee

11-29-2003, 07:28 PM

I wish LonglivetheZ would finally delete the quote I apparently made in his sig. So I worded it wrong, who the hell cares anyway. No one is laughing Longlive........

I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them.

I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.

rizzspeed

11-29-2003, 11:44 PM

i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster.

I agree wholeheartedly. What good is going fast if you can't stop? I'd like to be able to stop and be able to control my car in a dangerous situation. It's all good to be able to go fast quickly but pretty dumb not to be able to control and harness that speed. Brakes are so overlooked, it's not even funny. Yet next to the motor, they are the most important system in the car. Speed kills, brakes save.

svtcobra007x

11-29-2003, 11:57 PM

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg

What a crock of shit this is.

"I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them."

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........

"Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

"You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

"Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg

nacho_nissan

11-30-2003, 12:09 AM

I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.
Thats smart thinking right there...

rizzspeed

11-30-2003, 01:11 AM

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........

I could see why you're upset, but you need to calm down. We may be 'hard wired' for this car but for good reason. It is clearly superior to your Mustang. Unfortunately, you don't see that. That's ok though. Hopefully you'll come around some day. :biggrin:

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

I agree, it's not that simple to get into the 11's. But then again, forced induction does help quite a bit in getting there. Some versions of the Mustang have forced induction don't they? As for Nissan not supplying the Z with forced induction from the factory, is simple, Money. The same reason the stock Mustang doesn't include it from the factory. It costs money to buy, install, and warranty. The older Z32's were available with forced induction (Twin Turbos). Because of those though, the price of the Z32 was much more than what the 350Z sells for today. I still have the window sticker for my '93 2+2. It says over $44K. That's w/o turbos!! So where is the justification for your "a dog for the money" statement?

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

The design of the vehicles is subjective. Therefore, shouldn't even really be discussed. Mainly because it mostly based on opinion and opinions are neither right or wrong. Sorry again, It still reminds me of a box. :lol2: As for your 'feminine' comment, the reason that the car is called Fairlady in Japan and not here is because of just that. Americans would think that the name was too feminine and wouldn't sell well. Since most male Americans think that everything has to be macho, large and uber-masculine. Even it was named Fairlady, the name wouldn't change the specs or performance. I will agree on one thing though....I also don't like the back of the 350Z. But it's bearable enough. :uhoh: :biggrin:

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Again, something subjective. And your Honda comment although funny :rofl:, doesn't apply since we're talking about Nissans. :biggrin: You don't like the Nissan Z's sound? I agree it needs to be slightly louder. Have you ever heard it on the inside though? http://www1.350z.com.au/therun.asp
Take a look at this. It's a small portion of 'The Run' movie. Nissan runs a new 350Z through the streets of Prague. Good stuff. V8 exhaust sounds are quite unique. I wouldn't compare them to a smaller engine. Completely different. The V8's,imo, tend to be over-powering and sometimes quite intrusive. But hey, to some ppl that's what it's all about. :smokin: I can respect that.
Dumb question time, have you ever heard a cobra growl? Hiss maybe, but growl? :cwm27: :shakehead Just ribbin' ya.

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys............

Don't worry, :smile: I don't think your an a-hole. Extremely opinionated maybe, :grinyes: but not an a-hole.

longlivetheZ

11-30-2003, 02:35 PM

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says.

Blah blah blah....I go against some of the things you say because they're wrong, moron. You think I just say stuff just to say stuff? Just to piss you off? Just to be an asshole? No...I say it because you are wrong.

But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z.

It'd be all fine and dandy if what you were saying was true.

Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

It is a very potent engine. Adding forced induction only makes this more true. They don't offer it from the factory because it would be too expensive, just like the older Z32TT was. That's partially what caused the demise of the Z's in the first place. It's my prediction that there will be TT available sooner or later.

Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

Looks are too subjective. Period. Mustangs are boxy, sharp edged, ugly, plain looking cars...no matter what you do to them. You can make them look a little better with body kits and lowering and whatnot, but they still don't look "good". Plus, when you buy one of those "true badass cars" (whatever), you still have to live with the fact that you bought a $40,000+ MUSTANG. Feminine?...you're very strange. You're an idiot...they call it the fairlady because the head of Nissan way back in the day saw a play. He liked the play so much that he named the car after either the lead character or the name of the play, The Fairlady. Another idiotic statement.

I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Yea...Loud annoying ass v8s...pisses me off...way too intrusive. Annoying as hell. HAAAAAAA......Cobra growling.........HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH.

Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........

Just talking from past experiences.

Power is nothing without control, rizzspeed. And, mikegee, quote ain't goin anywhere. I told him that, to get it out, he'll have to bow down to the Z.

NISMO LMR

11-30-2003, 06:09 PM

... Woah. Anyone else completely blown away by how long these replies are? :eek2: ... Im feeling quite meek right now, haha. peace

nacho_nissan

11-30-2003, 06:40 PM

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT :rofl:

mikegee

11-30-2003, 07:44 PM

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT :rofl:

in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.

Neutrino

11-30-2003, 07:59 PM

in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.

you have an svt focus?

mikegee

11-30-2003, 08:03 PM

you have an svt focus?

nope just a simple pontiac grand am. sorry i wasnt more clear the first time.

Neutrino

11-30-2003, 08:35 PM

oh gotcha....he was mentioning the SVT focci and i just assumed

nacho_nissan

11-30-2003, 10:23 PM

yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...

Neutrino

12-01-2003, 01:14 AM

yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...

the svt i don't think will be able to outdo a gt in a 1/4 mile but it will outhandle the mustang

the rs focus however will be faster in both 1/4 and turns

the rs and svt focus are very good most likely due to the involvement of cosworth in their design....and imo ford europe is superior to the domestic ford

longlivetheZ

12-01-2003, 01:20 AM

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 01:52 AM

Nah, the SVT Focus is not as powerful as you think. I checked out the stats, maybe theres more than one model but the one I saw went for around 17,000 and comes only with 170 horses. 0-60 in about 7 seconds.

http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtests/hotflash/hotflashes2002/fordfocussvt.htm

The 2004 Mustang GT comes with 260 horses under the hood and goes 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Now the one I forgot to mention and its the most obvious model they just came out with. The 2003 Mustang Mach 1 compares greatly with the Z. Now your going to say "No, the Mustang GT does." But I cant compare it because Ford didn't put all the power into the car so they let everyone else like SVT and Saleen to do it. It could be more powerful, believe me, so stop underestimating it(Ford didn't want to, so don't blame it on the car, wait till 2005). The Mustang Mach 1 comes with a 32 Valve 4.6 L V8 engine. It includes 305 horses under the hood and only costs $29,000. No
supercharger, no turbo.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/ford03mustang/mach1145a//trim_specs.html?refsrc=autos/trim_overview

I guess someone can explain to me how they took the standard Mustang engine and made it more powerful, because they knocked the horses from 260 to 305. Im guessing its the extra valves it includes and a few extra stuff.

The Mach 1 does give you your bang for the buck and beats the Z in ms in 0-60(not enough to make any assumptions). Its top speed is 10mph more than the Z also. So can anyone do any better than this..I mean I took a relatively average good Mustang and compared it with a Z, and it should be compared with it. Goes to show the V8 can still do wonders.

Also, I see a lot of cars today that range in their years. When I see old cars they usually look like a box. When I see a new Mustang, I dont see a box like you guys see. What the hell, I see other cars out there that have relatively the same form as the Mustang and they don't look like a box. That is a completely subjective opinion. Just because the Mustang doesnt have the endless sloping back like the Z does and the Focus-like lights like the Z does, doesn't mean it is a bad looking car. Ford likes consintency so they keep the Mustang shape while not making it look like a complete rectangle. I think the Mustang GT has sweet taillights, nice scoops on the side, and an awesome hood. The Z in my opinion is just a copycat of the Porsche and the Audi because they all look the same. The sloping back. the small model, and absolutely no detail to it whatsoever. They are plain and simple. Look at my last post, that picture of that Rousch Mustang is extremely detailed and that's what Mustangs are usually like. They have style and in my opinion, they look as good as coupes as they do as convertibles.

"It is clearly superior to your Mustang."Rizzspeed..................It will never be.........I'll never come around......i've still got a lot more ammunition than this.

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/aic/b/03/mustang7.jpg
Don't see a box...........but a badass Mach1.........

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 02:07 AM

http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=20

Very interesting, one person here mentioned that people were taking their Cobras in for a dynamometer test. They said the complete opposite than what is in this article because it appears Ford has underestimated their horse power rating. It looks as if the Cobras are theoretically producing over 400 horses. Wow, so Longlive, how about that Z.....

http://www.stangnet.com/2003cobramustang/cobra039.jpg
So much power for such little money...........

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......brings you to your knees......

mikegee

12-01-2003, 05:49 AM

yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...

hey, "there's no replacement for displacement." if this is true then y are tons of 4s and 6s man handling the v8s.

Neutrino

12-01-2003, 08:51 AM

ok let me introduce some info here since the level of information here is apauling

the svt it is not turbocharged
the rs is turbocharged

both cars are fairly slow in the 1/4 mile since they were designed mainly for handling...and they will hand out spankinngs in the curves to many cars out there...they were tuned extensivelly by cossie

also svtcobra...there was a comparo made directly between the mach 1 and a touring 350z and the z won by quite a bit on the track

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 12:56 PM

Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.

mikegee

12-01-2003, 04:56 PM

Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.

if this is fine for you then ok, i cant knock you for liking what you like. but i dislike strait line proformance with out turning.

mikegee

12-01-2003, 04:58 PM

mikegee

12-01-2003, 05:00 PM

Neutrino

12-01-2003, 05:43 PM

Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.

well yeah....the mach1 had better acceleration numbers and it shoud've had since it has a DOHC v8

and about the focus RS its true its current price in england its uncompetitive but we'll have to wait and see how much it will cost when brought here

nacho_nissan

12-01-2003, 07:09 PM

rizzspeed

12-01-2003, 07:43 PM

Power is nothing without control, rizzspeed.

I've said that before, I think. I'm almost sure I have. Nismo, you read practically everything that I post.:loser:j/k Remind me where I've said that before.

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 07:44 PM

has anybody seen a video of a 1991 nissan sentra with a sr20det beat the shit out of a 2001 Mustang?? I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the mustang couldnt even keep up with the sentra,and they raced like 3 times,but then something happened...The nissan's plug blew into the turbine... But how is this svtcobra kid gonna compare a stang to a 350Z when a cobra cant even beat a 2.0l turbo engine?? :grinno: By the way,you(svtcobra kid) should give us all a chair while we're waiting for that 2005 mustang,it's still a while before u can bring it to the track,we might get tired of waiting...
I hope it really is all the shit like you talk bout it,cause u've already looked stupid alot of times :loser:

I change my mind Nacho, that was the worst post in your posting experience. You kinda just blurted out words the whole way and i dont even think you pay attention to all my posts. I dont know where you saw that video and the chances are no one saw it. But it probably wasnt even a Cobra. I can see a GT being beaten up by a 2.0L turbo engine but a Cobra, forget about it. Such bullshit Nacho, of course the turbo is gonna increase the Sentras power to be faster than the GT. Hell lets put a turbo on the GT and then see how they compare.

You see this is my dilemma with you. I dont know if you know jack shit about Mustangs, Cobras, Saleens, and hell, prob not even Z's. I dont like when people see a car they like and talk crazy about it when they dont even know its performance. You seem to fit into that category.
"I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the"..............What the hell are you thinking? See this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. SVT makes Cobras. Regular Cobra? There is no regular Cobra. SVT Cobra's consist of the Cobra and the Cobra-R. Maybe you were thinking of the GT.

Nacho listen to me once. The Z puts out about 280 horses under the hood. The GT puts about 260 horses under the hood. The Mach 1 puts about 305 horses under the hood. The SVT Cobra puts out 390 horses, theoretically over 400. The Cobra R puts out 385 horses but is the fastest Cobra. The Saleen SR, you ready Nacho, I hope your ready, puts out 505hp. I think Mustangs have power man. The Mach 1 is a great comparison to the Z and it includes absolutely no turbos, superchargers at all. Modd the Z and the Mach 1 to the limit and the Mach 1 will most likely come out in first due to the engine used. I am just comparing horses but they have a lot to do of how powerful a car is. Put a turbo under the hood of a Z Nacho, but I guarentee you will not be able to topple a Saleen or a modded Mach 1, maybe not even a Cobra.

Nacho start looking at posts thouroughly and look at THE MUSTANG STATS SO YOU DON'T COME IN TO THIS FORUM THINKING IN YOUR OPINION THAT THE Z IS THE FASTER CAR. At least compare.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......

nacho_nissan

12-01-2003, 08:43 PM

ok...I knew most of the info u gave me.
Ok,ma bad,the title is "sentra Vs 03' cobra".
I ned to know how to upload this,can anybody tell me?? See,i never said the 350z was the fastest car,but i dont know why u cant seem to get the saleens cant fit in the 350z category... Wait until i can upload this video,it's badass...

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 09:04 PM

Alright at least we got Saleen taken care of............Saleen is hard to beat and is just way too powerful.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......

nacho_nissan

12-01-2003, 09:31 PM

Alright at least we got Saleen taken care of............Saleen is hard to beat and is just way too powerful.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......
Oh shit,they must be really hard to beat... :rolleyes:
No wait,i just whatched how a saleen got spanked by a supra(with heavy chromed wheels),and another one got whooped by a Trans Am...
I wonder how they did it?? Any clues?? Anyone??

svtcobra007x

12-01-2003, 09:40 PM

Oh shit,they must be really hard to beat... :rolleyes:
No wait,i just whatched how a saleen got spanked by a supra(with heavy chromed wheels),and another one got whooped by a Trans Am...
I wonder how they did it?? Any clues?? Anyone??

LOL, now I know you are full of it. Bullshit, the day that a Supra and a Trans Am beat a Saleen will never come. Saleen SR, 505hp, 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, over 200mph. No way a riced up Supra and a trans am could beat a Saleen. Just to let you know a Saleen SR is a Mustang and imo, it kicks major ass. So full of it...........they cant even beat the Saleen 281(still sweet).

I dont know if you just made that up but here are the specs for the Supra. LOL......you'll need NOS to catch up with the Saleen.......

http://www.toyota-supra.com/exportmkiv.htm

90Stangjc

12-01-2003, 09:58 PM

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.......that's great. SVT Fuckus...bleh. Read an article in a turbo magazine or a mag of the sort...they rebuilt the entire engine just to run 8 psi. POS Engines.

Duuuuuuuuuuuude.......a *V6* ACCORD will keep up with the GT mustang 0-60 as well as A *V6* Nissan Maxima. The RSX-S (4 cylinder) has a nearly identical 0-60 as the GT.

Mustangs suck.
Mustangs suck??? Ok... will the V6 accord run as fast 0-100 as the GT mustang?? What about the Maxima?? The RSX?? no.... that must mean that those cars really suck. Did you ever think that the REASON is because the cars you just mentioned are FRONT-WHEEL DRIVE cars. Duh. With as much as 300ft lbs of torque and a 5-speed transmission do you think you could launch a mustang without wheel-spin. And who the hell races to 60mph then stops??? NO BODY!!! The shortest drag-races go to 1/8 mile and i've seen PATHETIC cars run 61mph (yes that's 1 past 60). :loser: Your the type of person who brings up stupid points that dont make sense and arnt true just to make your self feel good but your making yourself look stupid.

F23A4Racer750IL

12-01-2003, 10:01 PM

nacho_nissan

12-01-2003, 10:59 PM

LOL, now I know you are full of it. Bullshit, the day that a Supra and a Trans Am beat a Saleen will never come. Saleen SR, 505hp, 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, over 200mph. No way a riced up Supra and a trans am could beat a Saleen. Just to let you know a Saleen SR is a Mustang and imo, it kicks major ass. So full of it...........they cant even beat the Saleen 281(still sweet).

I dont know if you just made that up but here are the specs for the Supra. LOL......you'll need NOS to catch up with the Saleen.......

http://www.toyota-supra.com/exportmkiv.htm
Mustangs get smoked all the time by ricers,what the fuck are u talkin about?? Man nigga you should just get a fuckin life! What makes u think mustangs can even compete against fast cars?? a mustang aint shit,how many times do we have to prove it!? A Trans Am can smoke the shit out of a cobra,and just like i said it,a Saleen...
So i guess your just talkin off your ass,so just go to your fag-mustang forum and stop making up stuff...

TheSR20Drifter

12-01-2003, 11:28 PM

Haha, I joined these forums just for svtcobra007x, so you should feel obliged. Anyways, what boggles my mind is how you are comparing a "modified mustang" or "tuned" if you will, to a stock Toyota Supra which ended production years ago. STOCK, keyword here. I would really like to know how old you are, because you are a very ignorant little man, who does not know enough about cars to actually come up with a logical comparison. BTW, the 2JZ (Supra engine for you n00bs) can easily handle 650hp on stock internals. Turbocharged, of course silly, there is no way in hell an import can get up there w/o forced induction (which includes what you guys like to call "NOS", which by the way, is a company, and not the only company out there that makes nitrous products. For future reference, just say nitrous so you won't seem like an ignorant little kid who knows jack shit about automobiles). On a further note, the Saleen is a great car, I like it to tell you the truth. If you have the money for it, then go buy it by all means, but its just not my cup of tea.

And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.

Since it is human nature to judge, do what you will and pick on my grammatical errors and my punctuation mistakes, go ahead and make fun of the car that I drive. By all means, show your fruity side and actually do what I just typed.

You have been owned you fucking ass clowns. Please stop posting on these forums if you are going to continue to be dumb like this. Since I am not pleased with the way these forums are moderated, I will only post a few more times.

You gotta love kid whose a fucking secret agent. God there cute :disappoin

nacho_nissan

12-01-2003, 11:36 PM

Haha, I joined these forums just for svtcobra007x, so you should feel obliged. Anyways, what boggles my mind is how you are comparing a "modified mustang" or "tuned" if you will, to a stock Toyota Supra which ended production years ago. STOCK, keyword here. I would really like to know how old you are, because you are a very ignorant little man, who does not know enough about cars to actually come up with a logical comparison. BTW, the 2JZ (Supra engine for you n00bs) can easily handle 650hp on stock internals. Turbocharged, of course silly, there is no way in hell an import can get up there w/o forced induction (which includes what you guys like to call "NOS", which by the way, is a company, and not the only company out there that makes nitrous products. For future reference, just say nitrous so you won't seem like an ignorant little kid who knows jack shit about automobiles). On a further note, the Saleen is a great car, I like it to tell you the truth. If you have the money for it, then go buy it by all means, but its just not my cup of tea.

And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.

Since it is human nature to judge, do what you will and pick on my grammatical errors and my punctuation mistakes, go ahead and make fun of the car that I drive. By all means, show your fruity side and actually do what I just typed.

You have been owned you fucking ass clowns. Please stop posting on these forums if you are going to continue to be dumb like this. Since I am not pleased with the way these forums are moderated, I will only post a few more times.
nice one drifter...
Is it mr or that guy SVTcobra pussied out already? :grinno:

TheSR20Drifter

12-01-2003, 11:55 PM

Actually, I just read the last few pages and you, svtcobra007x, have been owned multiple times. Most notably by rizzspeed. By the way, give it up, you keep on dragging this completely useless and boring thread, to something it shouldnt. This thread has turned into a giant flame war, and I dont know if the moderators(if you have any, have ever heard of locking up a thread).

But, just for you since I am young and feel the need to rant and make fun, since it is human nature mind you.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay15.jpg

SkylineUSA

12-02-2003, 12:23 AM

You cannot compare a Sallen to a 350Z, or any stock car.

Any car can beat any car, any questions? Give me enough money, I would make a 5 sec Yugo. :)

longlivetheZ

12-02-2003, 03:20 AM

The 2004 Mustang GT comes with 260 horses under the hood and goes 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Now the one I forgot to mention and its the most obvious model they just came out with. The 2003 Mustang Mach 1 compares greatly with the Z. Now your going to say "No, the Mustang GT does." But I cant compare it because Ford didn't put all the power into the car so they let everyone else like SVT and Saleen to do it. It could be more powerful, believe me, so stop underestimating it(Ford didn't want to, so don't blame it on the car, wait till 2005). The Mustang Mach 1 comes with a 32 Valve 4.6 L V8 engine. It includes 305 horses under the hood and only costs $29,000. No
supercharger, no turbo.

AHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......I FOUND IT!!!!....I have the magazine, but it's in Florida...I found the artical online...what artical, you might ask....the comparison of the Audi TT, Honda S2K, *MUSTANG MACH 1, and NISSAN 350Z!!!*

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=1938

"The last time a Mustang coupe finished this high in a comparo was four years ago, and there were only two cars in the test. The other was a Camaro, and it won ("Camaro vs. Mustang. Again," February 1999)." AHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA.....AND IT'S IN SECOND!! That pretty much sums up my point over this whooooooooooooooooole thread.

"Dryer-dial steering, still the same chintzy interior" and "Even with the optional dress-up kit, the dash and door-panel polymers belong in a taxi." Also sums up what I've been saying quite well....they don't handle well and the interior is made ashamed of itself by a Hyundai.

They give the car credit in that it goes straight ok. They kinda blow it out of proportion because 5.2 seconds isn't ALL that fast in comparison to most truely fast cars of today...hell...I've seen the 300ZX TT circa mid 90's put up 5.2 0-60s stock. Does beat the 350 in 0-60. Not by a whole lot though...Z could take a stop light race with a good driver. This Mustang is probably the best comparison to the Z...Cars are both stock (no damn Steeda or roush or SVT shit here) and they're both NA, but mostly in the price sense, though. Still...I can't help but think "well...damn...a V8 BETTER beat a V6 0-60". The Mustang still lacks refinement. I see this in most muscle cars. They just use brute force to get as far as they can in life. Not the way to do it...take a well rounded, nicely refined, well built car and engine like the Z and you will go much, much further. "the Z set the fastest average speed of 77.7 mph around the track." Because it's well rounded...very good handling with very good acceleration. The only beefs they had with is were about the interior and the brakes...the interior has changed for '04 and the Track model gets better brakes. The brake issue is really quite irrellevant anyway...not every day I'm gunna be goin around a track.

About the Dyno test thing you posted...dynos vary by make, type of dyno, software used, etc. If they put that/those same car(s) on a diff dyno, it would probably register differently. Since those numbers are already oddly high, I doubt the new numbers would be higher.

I've said that before, I think.

I think you have in more words. I was either summing it up or seconding it...can't remember exactly.

You cannot compare a Sallen to a 350Z, or any stock car.

Thank you, sir. You gunna listen to HIM, svtcobra?

By the way, give it up, you keep on dragging this completely useless and boring thread, to something it shouldnt.

If it's boring, why'd you post? I think, just judging on the popularity of it and the length of it, that statement is quite void. :biggrin: Just wondering.

dude ur comparing it to a saleen. thats a modified car. compare it to a GT and its a different story. the Z makes more hp but less torque then a GT but lets see how it can handle. and its only been out for a full year. come back w/ a good comparison.

Thank you sir. You gunna listen to HIM, svtcobra. I didn't make up the part about the saleen and SVT and whatnot being modified cars. Even a comparo to the GT is still kinda messed up...V8 vs V6...but the Z STILL wins.

rizzspeed

12-02-2003, 03:00 PM

Actually, I just read the last few pages and you, svtcobra007x, have been owned multiple times. Most notably by rizzspeed.

Thank you very much. :smile:
I do what I can.

As for longlivetheZ, thanks for the clarification. I guess I tend to get longwinded at times. :biggrin:

nacho_nissan

12-02-2003, 05:34 PM

To SVTcobra007x:
I told you you were going to look stupid again...
To everyone:
Hope he doesn't post anymore,cause its not funny anymore how ya'll guys humiliate this kid...

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 07:40 PM

Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........

mikegee

12-02-2003, 07:49 PM

I change my mind Nacho, that was the worst post in your posting experience. You kinda just blurted out words the whole way and i dont even think you pay attention to all my posts. I dont know where you saw that video and the chances are no one saw it. But it probably wasnt even a Cobra. I can see a GT being beaten up by a 2.0L turbo engine but a Cobra, forget about it. Such bullshit Nacho, of course the turbo is gonna increase the Sentras power to be faster than the GT. Hell lets put a turbo on the GT and then see how they compare.

You see this is my dilemma with you. I dont know if you know jack shit about Mustangs, Cobras, Saleens, and hell, prob not even Z's. I dont like when people see a car they like and talk crazy about it when they dont even know its performance. You seem to fit into that category.
"I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the"..............What the hell are you thinking? See this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. SVT makes Cobras. Regular Cobra? There is no regular Cobra. SVT Cobra's consist of the Cobra and the Cobra-R. Maybe you were thinking of the GT.

Nacho listen to me once. The Z puts out about 280 horses under the hood. The GT puts about 260 horses under the hood. The Mach 1 puts about 305 horses under the hood. The SVT Cobra puts out 390 horses, theoretically over 400. The Cobra R puts out 385 horses but is the fastest Cobra. The Saleen SR, you ready Nacho, I hope your ready, puts out 505hp. I think Mustangs have power man. The Mach 1 is a great comparison to the Z and it includes absolutely no turbos, superchargers at all. Modd the Z and the Mach 1 to the limit and the Mach 1 will most likely come out in first due to the engine used. I am just comparing horses but they have a lot to do of how powerful a car is. Put a turbo under the hood of a Z Nacho, but I guarentee you will not be able to topple a Saleen or a modded Mach 1, maybe not even a Cobra.

Nacho start looking at posts thouroughly and look at THE MUSTANG STATS SO YOU DON'T COME IN TO THIS FORUM THINKING IN YOUR OPINION THAT THE Z IS THE FASTER CAR. At least compare.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......

im confident that the skyline r34 gt-r can keep up or even beat the saleen, even in a drag race.

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Well Mikegee it depends which Saleen, the SR or S7. I think the S7 and R34 GTR are very comparable. It is hard to say which one is better or which one would win.

mikegee

12-02-2003, 07:56 PM

mikegee

12-02-2003, 08:02 PM

F23A4Racer750IL

12-02-2003, 08:31 PM

first of svt the Z aint a hatchback its a roadster its not a CRX. and second wanna see what a modded Z makes and dont forget u got the extra 2 cyl's. not that matter cuz ford dont no how to make power out of there large displacement. ok heres some info wat modded Z's make rite outta turbo magazine.

2003 Z w/ a stillen S/C @only 5.7psi made 312hp w/o pulley upgrade.

2003 Z w/ a ATI procharger centrigual S/C @ 7psi w/o pulley upgrade made 369hp

2003 Z w/ a TT kit from Greddy using twin TD05H-18G turbos @ onlt 5.6psi w/ a ECu and injectors upgrade made 334.

if u dont believe im sure someone hear has seen the article and u could look it up on turbomagazine.com

the Z doesnt have the engine for it. If a honda B18 can make close to 1,000hp a Z will definitly able to when more OEM companies start tuning. that made no sense. the VQ engine series is one of the most sophisticated engines on the market. go drive ur rouche im sure ill see u on the side of the highway broken down. the only time u see a stang go fast is when its on the top of a flatbed. i dont wanna pick a fite but how could u talk shit bout a Z when u dont even no nething bout it.

F23A4Racer750IL

12-02-2003, 08:36 PM

and lets see those cars handle.

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 08:48 PM

90Stangjc

12-02-2003, 09:05 PM

And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.
Are you completely stupid? EVERYONE in here is comparing a V6 sports car to a V8 sports car-THESE TWO CARS ARN'T IN THE SAME CLASS!!!!!!! The guy that i was making a point two was the one comparing the "*V6 Accord*" to the mustang. I was simply stating that he didnt know what the f he was talking about, so i made it clear that if he was going to bring up something stupid like that-then so was i. I dont take lightly to people not knowing what the fuck they are talking about, so i make fun of them. Obviously you dont know too much or you would have realized exacly what was going on, now who's laughing?? I was simply browsing through this page and saw "mustangs suck"so i responded. how do you judge a car you DONT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT???? I dont sit here and say HONDA'S suck because i've never owned one and therefore i dont make a opinion about it.

F23A4Racer750IL

12-02-2003, 09:13 PM

Mikegee, I just looked it up on the internet and the S7 can do 11 to 11.8 seconds in 1/4 mile. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds.

Well F23ArRacer I guess I believe what you are saying is true but it seems a little bit overboard. Yet I would love to see it go past 200 mph and do 3.8 seconds like the Saleen Mustang SR does. Which also has superb handling plus I am sure it can be modded in more aspects. The MACH 1 which puts out 305 horses can also have a lot of that superchargered and turbo shit put on it so a basic Mustang can still compare to the modded Z.

I need more info than that though, like the speed times with all that shit on it.

ok i understand wat u mean but u cant compare the 2. the S2000 and the Z is a perfect comparison. the Stang and the new GTO another good comparison. but not the Z and the stang or the saleen or the rouche or the bullit or ne other mustang under the sun. and those cars cost alot more. thats like comparing a Civic Si to a NSX. theres to much of a difference. if u wanna make a comparison between prices then we can do a WRX and a stang GT. and 3.8 secs ive never herd of that. please prove me wrong though. and the Z is only a lil over a full year old. the 4.6 liter has been around a lil longer.

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 09:54 PM

nacho_nissan

12-02-2003, 09:56 PM

this kid is retarded...
But he just said the first smart thing he's ever said!(svtcobra007x) "Ford didn't make them with power..." Of course,and thats what we're trying to tell you..FORD SUCKS! Do u see a 350Z Saleen?? I dont think so... They only help the people who need them..."oh look,ford makes those bad handling,weak power cars,i say we help them.." :iceslolan Get my point... Nissan makes some of the best engines,like those V8 TWIN TURBO...
I say someone in here should take ur foxy 5.0 to a track,see what a mustang really is about... :naughty:

F23A4Racer750IL

12-02-2003, 10:03 PM

Ok well here is the site with the Saleen Mustang SR specs. Im sorry about 3.8 seconds, its actually 4.0 seconds but I wasn't really far off.

http://www.saleenunlimited.com/sr/specs.asp

I'm not too happy with the current engine they are using in the Mustang, its a 4.6L but the standard GT could have a lot more potential with a stronger engine. I hope for 2005 they move back to the 5.0 liters.

In that same web site, here is all the specs for all of the Saleens.
http://www.saleenunlimited.com/specs/default.asp

thats its 6.0 time rite. and the 2005 Stang is suppose to be a 3 valve 4.6L. the 5.0. is gone forget bout it. that thing was a torque monster but it ended there. its a 5.0L for christ sakes it couldnt even make over 250hp w/ the exception of the cobra.

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 10:05 PM

Nacho if only they used the Mach 1 engine in the GT(32 valves in Mach 1) then there performance for it would not have been so overlooked. I expect more from them next year. I like my 5.0 engine in my 1989 GT right now though. It has modified heads which cost around 500 bucks to replace. It may not be the most powerful but when you turn the key and it fires up, it sounds and feels a whole lot better than the current GT's. I hope there next engine brings that feeling back but adds more power.

TheSR20Drifter

12-02-2003, 10:19 PM

This is what you should've said.

Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because it's that time of the month and some of you KNOW the Z is the winner. Surely there is a way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are boring and slow because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(I love hatchbacks, because back in the day, mustangs were hatches too)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that [I finally got it through my thick head not to compare different classes of cars]. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, keep your car and mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z has the engine for it, for the Z came with the VQ35DE and it is very stout.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that cool guy Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is definitely a way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT like i get rammed in the ass, right now, because Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There is not some kind of medium we can reach here, sorry. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I can compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you should have come. didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man, I want you to screw me because I am a fagget like that..........I'll give up my sweet ass when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are comparable to a Z).

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be rammed in the ass by 40 or so beer guzzling rednecks and will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will cum in your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being a cool kid. Even LonglivetheZ is not as cool as you. Stay how you are........

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 10:27 PM

LOL. Even though I dislike some of the changes you made in there I gotta admit that is pretty damn funny.

nacho_nissan

12-02-2003, 10:31 PM

Hey thanx Svtcobra,i guess those 11 pages did make u change ur mind after all...well all i got to say is that i knew you where gay all along,but i still admire you for understanding the Z is always the best... My lawn mower also makes a nice sound like your mustang,but we have the same little problem,they are really slow man,but keep up the good work...

svtcobra007x

12-02-2003, 10:39 PM

Yea.........right...........Nacho. I will never fully bow down to the Z, because why...............Saleens, Steedas, Rouches, SVT's ROCK. Those are my fav. Mustangs. Well anyway can someone please end this forum because I am getting sick and tired of arguing. I hate repeating myself.

TheSR20Drifter

12-02-2003, 11:04 PM

Okay, now I will get serious, but, for some reason, I like all of this arguing and I think I am getting some kind of cheap thrill doing it. I just might stay. All of my inserts and thoughts were put into brackets [ ]

Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true.

[ this is definitely a dumb statement on your behalf, for, with the right amount of money and tuning, a Z could easily contend with a mustang, keyword is money ]

My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

[ the Z definitely has the engine for it, even a B16A has the engine for it. I don't think you have the authority to judge what car has the right engine to tune ]

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs.

[ where in the FUCK did you get that idea?!?!?!?! there has never been recorded tests that proves this idiotic statement. Therefore, this is false and you know this ]

Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off.

[ by far, the stupidest statement that I have ever read coming up... ]

Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

[ only ford makes the mustang you twit, unless there is some other company that we don't know about. No, the car is not seperate from the other mustangs for they all use the Mustang platform. Yes, you said " its like"

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf.

[ this has absolutely nothing to do with the point you are trying to get across ]

Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man

[ sorry, I dont swing that way]

..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z

[dont tell others what to admit, let them have their own opinion]

(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........

I really dont know what to think except that you are a very gay little man. You also keep mentioning the 2005 Mustang......WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IT......we'll know the true specs when it comes out, quit living in the future, and live in the present. Thats about it unless you make another dumb remark, which i know you will.

nacho_nissan

12-02-2003, 11:13 PM

Well anyway can someone please end this forum because I am getting sick and tired of arguing.
did u mean thread?? Idiot! Why cant u keep going anymore?? U pussied out on the 12th page?? Man i thought mustang people were tough! :loser: well we can end it right here,but like we all knew,the z walks of as the champ :sunglasse

SkylineUSA

12-03-2003, 01:00 AM

To compare two cars, one must drive both.

The Mustang is a very tunable car, the aftermarket is huge. The 350Z is in its infant stage when it comes the its aftermarket, so the Mustang has a huge advantage.

To tell you the truth, I would love to have either car in my garage. Most cars have there good points and there bad points, but in order to really talk about a comparision you must have driven them.

Times do not mean anything, hp numbers do not mean anything.

longlivetheZ

12-03-2003, 02:05 AM

As for longlivetheZ, thanks for the clarification. I guess I tend to get longwinded at times. :biggrin:

Ha...talk about long winded....check out post #146. :biggrin:

"hatchback(cracks me up)"Z

Ok...what's funny? Hatchbacks are very aerodynamic by design. I'm convinced Ford hasn't heard of aerodynamics yet.

To whoever called the Z a roadster, It is a hatch back, not a roadster. The new convertable is a roadster. The hard top is a hatch back, carrying on the Z tradition.

I really dont know what to think except that you are a very gay little man. You also keep mentioning the 2005 Mustang......WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IT......we'll know the true specs when it comes out, quit living in the future, and live in the present. Thats about it unless you make another dumb remark, which i know you will.

You rock, man. :lol2:

Svt...you're an idiot. You say YOU'RE tired of repeating yourself. You have the thickest skull ever. Is it not sinking in when...like...5 diff people all say that SVT, rouch (how ever the hell you spell it), saleen, steeda, blah blah blah are modified cars? What the hell is wrong with you? You think the mustangs are great when a mustang can't even almost compete against a *STOCK V6* without tons of mods. That's lame, man. You're comparing the Saleen shit (some of it in excess of *$100,000*) to the stock Z is like comparing a Z06 vette to a stock 86 Corolla. You're so stupid. You even compared the Z against the *$400,000* S7. Now you're saying the GT-R is a fair comparison against the S7 or whatever it was. The GT-R that costs about $30,000 is comparable to the $400,000 S7....you are an idiot. To top it off, a modded GT-R could beat the S7. I even posted the link to the article about the streetable GT-R running 8's or 9's or what ever it was.

Ok...this will settle it. Check out this old school 300ZX TT (Kyle's car) on this site (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/ulstreetcarc.html) that's running 10.44 at *OVER 140 MILES PER HOUR* and it's a DAILY DRIVER. I can pick up one of these cars in execellent condition for under $15,000. SGP Racing is kinda the 300ZX equivilant to fords 29435692374235 modifiers like roush and steeda and blah blah blah. That car completely walks all OVER even the BEST car in your mustang comparo arsenal...the SR with 11.8 1/4 mile. The OLD Z beats that *$158,000* shitstain...I mean...mustang by OVER A SECOND AND A HALF. All this said without even bringing up the 740+ whp 300ZXTT that I have set as my wall paper. Just wait until the aftermarket opens up more for the 350, which has an engine with even higher potential (whoever posted something that said the VQ is limited to 350 whp is living under a rock), as it has already done with the 300.

Check out the other cars on that page...daily driven Supras running 690 RWHP and 676 LB. FT. torque on a completely stock Bottom and Top End!!!!!!!!!!!!! Runs 10.00 @ 136. How's that for a totally stock engined car! And you don't know how a Supra can beat the saleen what ever...you just don't know cars, man.

Even when the mustang is modded and has given it's all, it still can't hold a candle to the Z or the Supra. I think I know what happened. You saw the mustang once and thought it was great...you just KNOW it's the fastest, best car ever in the history of the universe and nothing can beat it ever. Wake up, man. Mustangs are lame. As you've read above, the Z and the Supra are comparable cars price wise, goal wise, and even have SMALLER ENGINES, yet they are vastly superior in every sense. You can't argue that. You just can't. I'm bein real here...not pokin fun or anything...you need to quit being so damn hard headed and look at facts. Mustangs just aren't shit. I'll go into the Mustang forum too, if you want. You were talking about how it'd be diff there....it's still the same shitty car. Mustangs are lame and I think you know that but are either in denial, or you don't wanna admit you're wrong, so you go off making wild, bizarre comparisons...these $140,000+ saleens to a stock 350Z. Come on, man...do you really think that's legitimate [sp.]? Just admit you're wrong, will you? I would say "save your pride" but that went bye bye a loooooooong time ago.

Long Live The Z.

rizzspeed

12-03-2003, 11:26 AM

Is this thread still going? I figured most of you guys would've run outta breath by now! Give it up already! Point proven! NEXT TOPIC!!

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 03:34 PM

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 03:54 PM

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0309mms2_lynch/

Might want to check this Mustang out too, faster than the one I posted before. It's able to put out 1850 hp. Quarter mile 7.16 at 195mph. Now granted its a pure race car but it is damn fast though.

nacho_nissan

12-03-2003, 05:21 PM

I see 6 second civics you stupid fuck!
Oh man,you keep getting stupider...A 8 second car is one of the fastest in the world :rofl: You need to search,700hp skylines and supras run 8's... By the way,they both can do it on a stock block!

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 05:28 PM

Show me your 6 second civics, well I don't know if it can be done, but I need evidence of your info. YOUR SUCH A BULLSHITTER, naive 15 Y/O ....

Nacho, theres a thing called Listening. LISTEN!!. Look, I didnt say that the 7 and 8 second Stangs were the fastest in the world.......I said they were VERY DAMN FAST and those mods were done on a GT engine. Who's the stupid one? Umm you........you obviously forget everything I say when you post.

SkylineUSA

12-03-2003, 05:32 PM

6 sec Civics, really. Do you have any links?

The Outlaws have weight standards, there are class limitations as well. If that car was an all out race car, it would dive into the 6s with no problems.

As soon as you curse, you lose.

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 06:04 PM

hey guys,im from the nissan forums but i have a question for ya'll,please help...
Is a 305 a 5.0l engine?
Is a 350 a 5.7l engine?
how many hp do these produce??
Thanx for the help,laterz..

You see my point on Nacho proven..........

mikegee

12-03-2003, 06:36 PM

Ha...talk about long winded....check out post #146. :biggrin:

Ok...what's funny? Hatchbacks are very aerodynamic by design. I'm convinced Ford hasn't heard of aerodynamics yet.

To whoever called the Z a roadster, It is a hatch back, not a roadster. The new convertable is a roadster. The hard top is a hatch back, carrying on the Z tradition.

You rock, man. :lol2:

Svt...you're an idiot. You say YOU'RE tired of repeating yourself. You have the thickest skull ever. Is it not sinking in when...like...5 diff people all say that SVT, rouch (how ever the hell you spell it), saleen, steeda, blah blah blah are modified cars? What the hell is wrong with you? You think the mustangs are great when a mustang can't even almost compete against a *STOCK V6* without tons of mods. That's lame, man. You're comparing the Saleen shit (some of it in excess of *$100,000*) to the stock Z is like comparing a Z06 vette to a stock 86 Corolla. You're so stupid. You even compared the Z against the *$400,000* S7. Now you're saying the GT-R is a fair comparison against the S7 or whatever it was. The GT-R that costs about $30,000 is comparable to the $400,000 S7....you are an idiot. To top it off, a modded GT-R could beat the S7. I even posted the link to the article about the streetable GT-R running 8's or 9's or what ever it was.

Ok...this will settle it. Check out this old school 300ZX TT (Kyle's car) on this site (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/ulstreetcarc.html) that's running 10.44 at *OVER 140 MILES PER HOUR* and it's a DAILY DRIVER. I can pick up one of these cars in execellent condition for under $15,000. SGP Racing is kinda the 300ZX equivilant to fords 29435692374235 modifiers like roush and steeda and blah blah blah. That car completely walks all OVER even the BEST car in your mustang comparo arsenal...the SR with 11.8 1/4 mile. The OLD Z beats that *$158,000* shitstain...I mean...mustang by OVER A SECOND AND A HALF. All this said without even bringing up the 740+ whp 300ZXTT that I have set as my wall paper. Just wait until the aftermarket opens up more for the 350, which has an engine with even higher potential (whoever posted something that said the VQ is limited to 350 whp is living under a rock), as it has already done with the 300.

Check out the other cars on that page...daily driven Supras running 690 RWHP and 676 LB. FT. torque on a completely stock Bottom and Top End!!!!!!!!!!!!! Runs 10.00 @ 136. How's that for a totally stock engined car! And you don't know how a Supra can beat the saleen what ever...you just don't know cars, man.

Even when the mustang is modded and has given it's all, it still can't hold a candle to the Z or the Supra. I think I know what happened. You saw the mustang once and thought it was great...you just KNOW it's the fastest, best car ever in the history of the universe and nothing can beat it ever. Wake up, man. Mustangs are lame. As you've read above, the Z and the Supra are comparable cars price wise, goal wise, and even have SMALLER ENGINES, yet they are vastly superior in every sense. You can't argue that. You just can't. I'm bein real here...not pokin fun or anything...you need to quit being so damn hard headed and look at facts. Mustangs just aren't shit. I'll go into the Mustang forum too, if you want. You were talking about how it'd be diff there....it's still the same shitty car. Mustangs are lame and I think you know that but are either in denial, or you don't wanna admit you're wrong, so you go off making wild, bizarre comparisons...these $140,000+ saleens to a stock 350Z. Come on, man...do you really think that's legitimate [sp.]? Just admit you're wrong, will you? I would say "save your pride" but that went bye bye a loooooooong time ago.

Long Live The Z.

is the 86 corolla converted into a drift machine and tuned to ahhh id say 380 to 400 rear wheel horse power. ae86 anyone? :)

mikegee

12-03-2003, 06:41 PM

nacho_nissan

12-03-2003, 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]8.74 @ 156+mph. over 1000 horses!
World fastest 2 valve stock GT Mustang. Yea it looks as if it does hold a candle to the Z and Supra. Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world.[QUOTE]
Oh,my bad,then who posted this??

nacho_nissan

12-03-2003, 07:36 PM

You see my point on Nacho proven..........
This has nothing to do with the mustangs or 350z's...
I asked this because of some other idiot claiming 350hp on these engines,just trying to get the right #'s.
But this has nothing to do with mustangs u dumb fuck! Camaros are more respectful cars...They dont need saleen to help them make their cars faster :nono: well anyway,i want us to start a new thread like this one in the mustang section...Let's see if they know a little bit more than just "wait for the 2005 mustang!" :rolleyes:

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 07:40 PM

Actually Nacho I am implying that that was one the fastest 2 valve stock GT for the Mustangs. Remember just the Mustangs. It does hold a candle if not better than some of the cars posted here.

" Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world"...........................Yea I said that and did I say it is the fastest in the world? No I didn't Nacho.....it just goes to show you if people can take a basic Mustang like this and mod it to be superb and powerful at the same time making damn close to some of the fastest 1/4 miles(7.16 is good), than I am saying that it is very easy for other cars to do the same thing.

I am looking at a broad perspective and saying this for all cars that have the potential.............but it is kinda obvious.........

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 08:00 PM

Well if the Corvette were more respectful cars.........then they would out sell the Mustang, but they don't. Most people find all the power they need with the standard and GT Mustang. Then you got those people craving for more power and they will pay a few extra bucks on a Cobra. Then you got those people who want performance while having style and so they go with the Saleen. Then you got those people who like to race so they go with Steeda, Rouche, and Outlaw. It is actually not a bad system(great advantage), it is cool because there are so many different versions of the Stang which doesn't make it so blah like some other cars you see all the time that have one model. They should put more style into the Z, but maybe history never changes the future.

I find the Corvette to be overpriced. That is the reason why you don't see most of them out on the road but on the dealers lot. And your Saleen theory does not work well. They didnt take over them to help Ford, they took them on by themself hoping to create a sweet Mustang that will attract more people to it kinda like the Shelby did with the GT500. Personally if I had to choose between the Saleen 281-E and the 2003 Corvette, they cost basically in the same price range, I'd choose S-281E considering it puts out 495 horses compared to the Corvette's 405. Then again, horses do not mean everything.

svtcobra007x

12-03-2003, 08:08 PM

Guys this is getting dull and boring. Lets just end it because there is absolutely no way any of us can conclude which car is better. There are just so many factors to it.

Ill never admit to any car being faster because if i do we are justing going to replay the same thing............

nacho_nissan

12-03-2003, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ
HA...wow...I see a guy in a Nissan and I think "hey...it's another Nissan ass hole". Just about EVERY person I've EVER known that had a Nissan was a dick head.

Very nice quote longlivetheZ :disappoin

ghetto7o2azn

12-03-2003, 09:54 PM

i agree with nacho.. we should start a new post in the mustang section that has actual knowledge of cars other than repeating themselves for 11 pages saying the same thing over and over... "the saleen, the mach 1 blah blah blah blah blah... the mach 1 will own ne rice car"

ok so maybe this isnt a nissan but earlier u were talking about supras n since we are on the subject on ALL japanese cars since u brought it up a couple pages back and you ARE talking about a car that comes out THREE years later after the 350z... u state that the mach has over 300hp... GOOD FOR UR ASS... can i enlighten you that toyota has confirmed their new supra that should be coming out in a few years?? and that it has 400 hp and guess wut... ITS N/A... so dont start that... ricers need forced induction blah blah blah crap.... hmm now wut were u saying about the mach 1?

nacho_nissan

12-03-2003, 10:28 PM

Hypsi87

12-04-2003, 12:02 AM

wow......interesting....... The mustang is weak right off the showroom floor. Except the '03 cobras. I'm not going to talk about roush or steeda or saleen for two reasons. Your not going to get the power speed or respect out of your Z for the same ammount of money. Number two, ford does not make the horsepower in the roushes or the saleen etc... '03 cobras are the shit. There are two cars that I am very picky about racing on the street in street trim. New cobra, and the Z06 vette. I have seen many cobras run high 11's on stock street tires with just about 1k worth of mods, they are the new Grand National, real fast for little ammounts of money. I've never raced a Z, but I have raced a STI and an Evo 8 and won. I would not be too worried about an sti if I had a cobra. Man some of you Nissan guys need to back off a bit. You some of you guys are acting like you have a bad case of small mans syndrome. So what If someone says a car is faster than yours blah blah blah..... There are people who say that there car is faster than mine but I'm not too worried about it, and some of them are it is a fact of life something will be better than what you have. And these two cars can be compared all cars can be compared. Once you build a car to race it is comparable with all other cars that peolpe are racing. You chose your platform and your engine etc. and you go from there. Don't tell me you would not race a mustang if you had a Z or vise versa just because it is a diffrent class of car. racing is comparing. After saying all of that SCREW YOUR MUSTANG AND SCREW YOUR 350Z GIVE ME A TURBO BUICK AND LETS BRING IT ON!!!! :p :wink:

longlivetheZ

12-04-2003, 03:26 AM

I like what Skyline said, didnt criticize anyone but stayed with the facts and the obvious.

LonglivetheZ, you didn't end it there. That guy basically took his current car and modified that to the rim, I'm sure if I took take a Mach1 and mod it to the rim, the results could produce the same to his Z. Anyone can take an average car and make it perform like a jet. For god sakes the guy even put NItrous oxide in his engine. Of course it's going to get good times, Nitrous is so cheap to produce faster times. Take Nitrous out of it and then see what happens. Hell maybe I should put some nitrous oxide in the Saleen SR. But who cares about NOS............

Actually Longlive this will make you shit in your pants. Try to get a Nissan to do a quarter mile in mid 8's. Check this site out.

http://www.modularpower.com/wordlsfastest.htm
8.74 @ 156+mph. over 1000 horses!
World fastest 2 valve stock GT Mustang. Yea it looks as if it does hold a candle to the Z and Supra. Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world. Its so obvious and your last post was a waste, went on and on about your opinions of how sweet the Z is, and of course you never said one thing good about the Mustang.

Dont worry I have overlooked modded Mustangs by people and there are a whole lot more out there...so we are probably not going to get anywhere with this...both the Z and the Mustang can be modded highly.........it all comes down to opinions, which car do you like better.

First off...concerning his sig...go to post #107 and you will see what I actually said. You should be banned for intentially misquoting someone.
:banhim:

Come on, Nacho...do you really think I'd post that when *I DROVE A NISSAN FOR 3 YEARS!?*

As for those 2 cars: I'm very surprised to see those. Goes to show that anything can be made fast. Come on, though...They've been COMPLETELY REBUILT...they're less of a mustang then the Saleen stuff. I bet the second one doesn't even have the same engine as when it was bought. If you want to talk about that kind of crap, I got those too.
http://z32racing.50megs.com/Z/_racers/2001_pro_cantreras.jpg
That car runs very low 7s. If you look over to the left right under that particular car, there's another one that's running 8s. (Source: http://www.bway.net/~alabrado/Z/) In fact, if you read that page, they actually talk about that SGP car that's running 10s. He's going for 9s now. The real kicker....*IT'S AN AUTOMATIC!*

http://www.brianv.net/nira2001/MVC00060.jpg
That car runs 7.40 at 184 mph. (Source: http://www.evotuners.com/nira10212001_p5.htm)

However shocking those cars are, I'm talking about daily drivers. That Kyle guy on the SGP site drives that car every day and I'm willing to bet he didn't pay an arm and a leg for the thing. You know some serious coin went into those mustangs. The one mustang, while being technically street legal, is impossible to drive on a daily basis...even on a weekends only basis would be nearly impossible. The guy was talking about "how he brought it out once". The other mustang is even further along then the first one. Remember when I was talking about how you could gear a car to do what ever you want? These are good examples...the second one especially...thing has a 2 speed transmission. It'll do the quarter and I'm willing to bet that that's it. After that, it's done...no more gear.

Svt....you've been :owned: so many times in this forum, that it really is getting quite old now. This thread can go on forever. Whenever you'd like to quit, go ahead. Now I :sleep:.

nacho_nissan

12-04-2003, 10:54 AM

longlivetheZ,what do u think if we do this thread in the mustang section? ghetto7o2azn agrees that we should...And im sure drifter guy will be glad to help us....

SkylineUSA

12-04-2003, 03:36 PM

When start your posts with this:

"This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang."

You are asking for trouble. You should have a little more experiance with cars, before making statements like that.

All cars have there good points and there bad points, yes all cars.

svtcobra007x

12-04-2003, 05:10 PM

Alright people I guess it is time to close the story. Yes your right about that statement Skyline. I learned my lesson from making statements like that when I wasn't as familiar with the car because it you do, then it causes a nightmare.

The point is, LonglivetheZ is right about being able to take any car, do whatever you can to it, and it can be as fast as you want it to be. So if we are now comparing Nissan Z and Mustangs that run in low 7's and 8's, then its time to say that comparing them is not going to matter anymore. Like I said before, its your opinion and no one should be able to change it. I think they are both great fast cars. I'm not dissing either of them.......I just happen to like Ford and a few of their sports cars. They are still a respectful company though, they still own the Ford GT and they own Jaguar. They are improving on the quality of their cars.

About that sig, remove it, just because I didnt bow down to the Z doesnt mean you have to keep it there. Lets remove our quotes and get on with it............

I would like to see some posting in the Ford forum........what you guys were talking about.

nacho_nissan

12-04-2003, 10:19 PM

see how easy it was to recognize the 350z was a great car! Why did ya'll have to go through 13 pages?

NISMO LMR

12-04-2003, 10:57 PM

... DROP IT! Everyone has their own taste... I like 300's, other likes Civics, some like GS-T's, some like Muscle... Just chill man, this worlds stressfull enough! Haha... Actually dont, its kinda fun to watch :D

longlivetheZ

12-05-2003, 01:56 AM

longlivetheZ,what do u think if we do this thread in the mustang section? ghetto7o2azn agrees that we should...And im sure drifter guy will be glad to help us....

I say bring it on. I'm like a foreign car freedom fighter...I must defend my trusted Nissans from the Ford and Chevy ass holes out there.... :p

When start your posts with this:

"This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang."

You are asking for trouble. You should have a little more experiance with cars, before making statements like that.

All cars have there good points and there bad points, yes all cars.

I agree about the asking for trouble part. Of course you're setting yourself up to get torn down haaaaaaaard core when you make stupid statements...isn't that right, SVT. Don't think I just like to bash people...in fact...it isn't my goal to bash people at all...I just hate to see ignorant statements and just let them go.

see how easy it was to recognize the 350z was a great car! Why did ya'll have to go through 13 pages?

HA...that rocks.

... DROP IT! Everyone has their own taste... I like 300's, other likes Civics, some like GS-T's, some like Muscle... Just chill man, this worlds stressfull enough! Haha... Actually dont, its kinda fun to watch

Ha. In all honesty...I prefer the 300ZXTT over the 350Z. The 300's are just such a beautiful car with such potential that I just couldn't justify spending the ~30G for a 350. Can't beat a 300ZXTT for about 15G. My mood changes day to day as far as one or the other goes...oh well.

As for the sig...you should still be banned, you little bastard. You intentially misquoted me. I don't care if I do have you in my sig or not. I didn't even say what is in your sig. For that reason, I don't really care about your sig all that much...besides...no one but me reads your posts anyway other than for laughs.

rizzspeed

12-05-2003, 11:17 AM

[QUOTE=Hypsi87]wow......interesting....... The mustang is weak right off the showroom floor. Except the '03 cobras. I'm not going to talk about roush or steeda or saleen for two reasons. Your not going to get the power speed or respect out of your Z for the same ammount of money. Number two, ford does not make the horsepower in the roushes or the saleen etc... '03 cobras are the shit. Man some of you Nissan guys need to back off a bit. You some of you guys are acting like you have a bad case of small mans syndrome. So what If someone says a car is faster than yours blah blah blah.....QUOTE]

Ok to start this off, I just have one question. Have you read this thread from beginning to end? This thread started and heated up over the fact that we were comparing the modified mustangs and a stock Z. We finally got past that part and SVTcobra finally conceded that we couldn't compare a modified vs. a stock car.
As far as speed and respect for the Z goes, if you're comparing it to a car that you love and think 'rules' or whatever, respect is automatically implied.
Some of us 'Nissan guys' were only annoyed because of the ufair comparisons made. I think it's great that the mustang is available in so many forms. Choice is great. When you start to compare cars that have a vast range in price that obviously is the reason there is a difference in performance, that's where the problem begins. Like I said before if you're going to compare the two cars you have to do it in the same price range or allow the less expensive vehicle the same amount of dollars in performance upgrades. I certainly expect a mustang with over $10,20 or 30K of performance mods to outdo a stock Z. That'd be like me saying that a race car should be compared to a stock car, it obviously isn't a fair comparison.

SkylineUSA

12-05-2003, 12:43 PM

I thought that horse was 6ft under;)

rizzspeed

12-05-2003, 01:05 PM

Wishful thinking on all our parts. LOL

svtcobra007x

12-05-2003, 01:22 PM

One more thing, LonglivetheZ, did you even find my quote that is in your sig? I looked and I just couldn't find it...........maybe you should be banned. But I really don't care.

9ball

12-05-2003, 03:17 PM

Wow, what a long thread! A pretty rediculous one but man, it really got everyone's panties up in a bunch. :swear:

nacho_nissan

12-05-2003, 07:32 PM

the thread in the mustang section is ready.."Mustang vs Nissan",all of you are welcome!

97dropcobra

12-06-2003, 10:11 AM

If i had the money at the time the cars that i would look at to buy would be the 03 Cobra for sure, the track Z, Subaru STI, or the Lancer EVO...In a couple years when I'm looking to buy a new car I'll be looking at these cars although if the rumors about the 2006 Cobra are true then I might wait for that car. Heard something about 500 hp.

longlivetheZ

12-06-2003, 06:40 PM

longlivetheZ

12-06-2003, 06:42 PM

There are tons of rumors about the new mustang...I'll believe what I see, when I see it.

The WRXs...I wouldn't get one. The trannys aren't made for that kind of power. Couple friend's of mine had those cars...went through 3 trannys in 6 months. Not bad drivers or anything...the trannys are made for their sedan.

Evos are waaaaaaaaaay over priced. That and they're ugly as all sin...

I wouldn't be able to live with my self if I bought a $30,000+ mustang.

I wouldn't get the track Z. Too expensive. Get the Performance or the Base. Base is lightest (none of them vary all that much, but still) and I think the Performance is the best for the buck...you get the bad ass rims, the VDC, Traction control, tire pressure models, and good headlights without all the extra cost or stuff you don't need/want.

longlivetheZ

12-06-2003, 06:42 PM

svtcobra007x

12-06-2003, 07:49 PM

Wow, talk about post happy..............Basically to sum up your last 3 posts, you hate all cars except Nissan. But then again, it only makes sense.

nacho_nissan

12-07-2003, 12:15 AM

svtcobra,i hvent seen you in my thread in the mustang forums,where are you man??

longlivetheZ

12-08-2003, 12:59 AM

Yea. I just like posting. Makes my "# of posts" number bigger. <shrug> Why not?

I don't hate all cars...I hate shitty cars. It's the guidelines for the definition of "shitty" that varies...

svtcobra007x

12-15-2003, 04:11 PM

Nice quote in your sig there LongLive. Why don't you tell that guy to read the Mustang vs. Nissan thread in car comparisons and see how everyone owned you.

Mod for Mod, you still didn't win. It may be a nice car, but Mustang is still the top dog and always will be.

350Zyprexa

12-15-2003, 09:15 PM

Wow!, this server is slow.

Mustang....yuk!!! I mean really, does it come with a free mullett?

Z, cheap and fun, tiding me over until the 911Turbo...yeah :smokin:

Jared_80

12-15-2003, 09:21 PM

Can anyone tell me why the new Z is so slow??? it has 289hp! and the stupid FWD neon SRT-4 is a faster! I don't mean to sound too critical but that sucks!

nacho_nissan

12-15-2003, 11:13 PM

Can anyone tell me why the new Z is so slow??? it has 289hp! and the stupid FWD neon SRT-4 is a faster! I don't mean to sound too critical but that sucks!
yah,have you ever heard of power/weight ratio?thats it! and homeboy,a SRT-4's engine wont even go half the life of the VQ35DE! Neon,please,thats the cheapest,worst quality out there,its good for now,i wanna see the owners in 2 or 3 years talkin bout their engines blown up and needing repair...

NISMO LMR

12-15-2003, 11:29 PM

nonono Nacho Nissan, you are WAY wrong... They arent GOOD FOR NOW, haha they never were GOOD, and they will never be GOOD. peace :p

longlivetheZ

12-16-2003, 01:39 AM

Nice quote in your sig there LongLive. Why don't you tell that guy to read the Mustang vs. Nissan thread in car comparisons and see how everyone owned you.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG AGAIN! What the HELL are you talking about?! You didn't own shit, bitch.

Fun Fact: I spent about an hour typing a reply post to the last post in the other forum...got done...the moderator closed the thread WHILE I WAS TYPING IT! Hit submit....it said the thread was closed.....I was fuckin pissed....

Mod for Mod, you still didn't win. It may be a nice car, but Mustang is still the top dog and always will be.

Bull shit, I didn't...lose a damn thing. The Z has far more potential then the cobra could dream of...the Z's a far better built car with better aerodynamics and less weight....how you can say the cobra is better is just beyond me. The Z is getting less and less expensive to mod.

Mustang....yuk!!! I mean really, does it come with a free mullett?

That rules all....:worshippy I'm not worrrrrthy......I'm not worrrrrrrrthy.......:worshippy

Can anyone tell me why the new Z is so slow??? it has 289hp! and the stupid FWD neon SRT-4 is a faster! I don't mean to sound too critical but that sucks!

Ehhh.....no.....Z 0-60: 5.4....SRT 0-60: 5.8 seconds. Sources: respective company's official site. Plus, Nacho and Nismo are right....screw the SRT......

mikegee

12-16-2003, 09:40 AM

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 09:58 AM

yah,have you ever heard of power/weight ratio?thats it! and homeboy,a SRT-4's engine wont even go half the life of the VQ35DE! Neon,please,thats the cheapest,worst quality out there,its good for now,i wanna see the owners in 2 or 3 years talkin bout their engines blown up and needing repair...

Uh are you dumb or somthing? :screwy: 3188lbs and 287hp=11lbs per hp
2900lbs and 230hp=over 12lbs per hp. Do the math yourself, so the STR-4 is faster even with a lower power to weight ratio. And arn't you assuming that the SRT-4 will not be reliable? Do you have any facts to back that up? You know that it has a 7 year powertrain warrenty don't you? And even if it needs a lot of repair after the warenty the 6 grand difference will make that up easly. Before you try to blast me get your facts right.

Jared_80

12-16-2003, 10:01 AM

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG AGAIN! What the HELL are you talking about?! You didn't own shit, bitch.

Fun Fact: I spent about an hour typing a reply post to the last post in the other forum...got done...the moderator closed the thread WHILE I WAS TYPING IT! Hit submit....it said the thread was closed.....I was fuckin pissed....

Bull shit, I didn't...lose a damn thing. The Z has far more potential then the cobra could dream of...the Z's a far better built car with better aerodynamics and less weight....how you can say the cobra is better is just beyond me. The Z is getting less and less expensive to mod.

That rules all....:worshippy I'm not worrrrrthy......I'm not worrrrrrrrthy.......:worshippy

Ehhh.....no.....Z 0-60: 5.4....SRT 0-60: 5.8 seconds. Sources: respective company's official site. Plus, Nacho and Nismo are right....screw the SRT......

I am conparing the base 350Z to the base SRT-4. Acording to MT the Z does a 0-60 in 6.0 and the SRT-4 does a 5.5. Look it up yourself.

svtcobra007x

12-16-2003, 08:19 PM

HAHA............At least the Mustang has modded versions like the Cobra out there so you don't have to put a 390hp supercharged engine in yourself. WIth the Z, you are on your own, but of course wait till the turbo version if it ever makes it. But in the other forum I thought we reached a deal that mod for mod with a Cobra and Z, the Z came up short. I don't see how a modded V6 engine will beat a modded Cobra V8. Not possible. Unless you do some heavy engine work but a lot of people do not have time for that, so tough luck for Z fans. Its so easy to get more power out of Stangs, thats what is so sweet about it.

I think you people don't like Mustangs because first of all they are proven to be faster, (anyone could tell you that unless Nissan learned to put a V8 big block in their car), or you are a diehard Nissan fan that posts in the thread "350Z sucks"(pathetic). They are extremely popular in America which is why you see them like bacteria that keeps growing. I dont even have to listen to what you people are saying because you may feel superior in this forum but start getting out in the real world where most people will tell you that they prefer Mustangs over the 350Z. Mustangs will definitely outlive the Z, if you dont agree with me on that, then you're naive.

Looks are definitely subjective. I dont care what you say about the Stang, I bet most of you havent gotten close enough to one to see how it really looks. Ive see enough Porsches and Audi's which look just like what the Z looks like and I gotta admit, its getting dull.

And for god sakes, you people think that money grows on trees. For some it does but for most people it doesn't. I think someone would have more fun buying a $33,000 2003 Cobra with 390 horsepower supercharged V8 engine versus a $33,000 289 horsepower Nissan 350Z. That is a DAMN GOOD PRICE for a CObra which buy the way goes 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Its a waste of money to purchase a 350Z versus other sports cars out there, you get no bang for the buck, all you get is luxury. I don't know, I don't get you people, maybe you guys just prefer luxury, who knows..................

svtcobra007x

12-16-2003, 08:47 PM

I don't want to bash the 350Z because some people like it for different reasons just like how I like Mustangs. Proving a car to be faster than another car is irrelevant and it doesnt really matter after awhile. In the end, it comes down to your preference and taste for a specific car you fancy.

I'm just talking shit about the Z because you guys are talking shit about the Mustang. Its just a simple process of defending your car. I don't mean everything I say negatively about the Z but I hate it when people talk negatively about a car that they are hardly familiar with.

mikegee

12-17-2003, 05:51 AM

HAHA............At least the Mustang has modded versions like the Cobra out there so you don't have to put a 390hp supercharged engine in yourself. WIth the Z, you are on your own, but of course wait till the turbo version if it ever makes it. But in the other forum I thought we reached a deal that mod for mod with a Cobra and Z, the Z came up short. I don't see how a modded V6 engine will beat a modded Cobra V8. Not possible. Unless you do some heavy engine work but a lot of people do not have time for that, so tough luck for Z fans. Its so easy to get more power out of Stangs, thats what is so sweet about it.

I think you people don't like Mustangs because first of all they are proven to be faster, (anyone could tell you that unless Nissan learned to put a V8 big block in their <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>;), or you are a diehard Nissan fan that posts in the thread "350Z sucks"(pathetic). They are extremely popular in America which is why you see them like bacteria that keeps growing. I dont even have to listen to what you people are saying because you may feel superior in this forum but start getting out in the real world where most people will tell you that they prefer Mustangs over the 350Z. Mustangs will definitely outlive the Z, if you dont agree with me on that, then you're naive.

Looks are definitely subjective. I dont care what you say about the Stang, I bet most of you havent gotten close enough to one to see how it really looks. Ive see enough Porsches and Audi's which look just like what the Z looks like and I gotta admit, its getting dull.

And for god sakes, you people think that money grows on trees. For some it does but for most people it doesn't. I think someone would have more fun buying a $33,000 2003 Cobra with 390 horsepower supercharged V8 engine versus a $33,000 289 horsepower Nissan 350Z. That is a DAMN GOOD PRICE for a CObra which buy the way goes 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Its a waste of money to purchase a 350Z versus other sports cars out there, you get no bang for the buck, all you get is luxury. I don't know, I don't get you people, maybe you guys just prefer luxury, who knows..................

come summer the z will have nismo options to be modded and well if you are formilur with nismo i need not say more.

mikegee

12-17-2003, 05:53 AM

I don't want to bash the 350Z because some people like it for different reasons just like how I like Mustangs. Proving a <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; to be faster than another car is irrelevant and it doesnt really matter after awhile. In the end, it comes down to your preference and taste for a specific car you fancy.

I'm just talking shit about the Z because you guys are talking shit about the Mustang. Its just a simple process of defending your car. I don't mean everything I say negatively about the Z but I hate it when people talk negatively about a car that they are hardly familiar with.

"i tried so hard got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter" linkin park. it works everywhere in life. arnt you also talkin smack bout a car you hardly know.

Jared_80

12-17-2003, 01:22 PM

I really hate to take the side of a mustang over an import, but in this case I have no other choice, the SVT Cobra is the faster car than the Z, much faster in fact. Even with the new HKS turbo system the Z is slower and more expensive (only 350hp) than the Mustang. In all fairness the Z has a better chassie and better looks (in my oppinion), But the Cobra rocks it in most tests, and in the world of proformance that is what counts. By the way Ford lied about the Cobras power! it is not 390 as advertised. I saw one that was put on a dyno and they said that the stock motor almost hit 425hp. Why ford underestamated it's own motor I don't know but any way you look at it, it is fast. It even outran my favorite car the Evo in the 1/4.

twelveozcurls

12-17-2003, 05:09 PM

So what about the 2004 Z's? I have been in contact with several people who say there are faulty suspensions in the Z's causing tire cupping and feathering. If you look at the National Transportation and Security Administrations website, there are many complaints regarding this in the 2003 models. Haven't seen any for 2004 yet but then, they haven't been out that long.

[/COLOR]
Yea the Z rocks and the engine and drive train do too.

The so called problems you hear about are nothing. I work for nissan and it was a select few and the problem dealt with a harsh feel in the shifter which is now taken care of.

VQ engines have been rated the 10 best for over a decade. Cant beat em!
arial

mikegee

12-17-2003, 05:10 PM

I really hate to take the side of a mustang over an import, but in this case I have no other choice, the SVT Cobra is the faster <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; than the Z, much faster in fact. Even with the new HKS turbo system the Z is slower and more expensive (only 350hp) than the Mustang. In all fairness the Z has a better chassie and better looks (in my oppinion), But the Cobra rocks it in most tests, and in the world of proformance that is what counts. By the way Ford lied about the Cobras power! it is not 390 as advertised. I saw one that was put on a dyno and they said that the stock motor almost hit 425hp. Why ford underestamated it's own motor I don't know but any way you look at it, it is fast. It even outran my favorite car the Evo in the 1/4.

sure the evo was about 3 tenth of a sec. slower in the 1/4, but gee thats extremely close compared to a car with only 250 at the 4 wheels. gee thats an acheivement to be only 3 tenths faster the a car with nearly 100 more horses to the wheels.

nacho_nissan

12-17-2003, 10:57 PM

eitherway,Z rules...

Jared_80

12-18-2003, 10:34 AM

[QUOTE=mikegee]sure the evo was about 3 tenth of a sec. slower in the 1/4, but gee thats extremely close compared to a car with only 250 at the 4 wheels. gee thats an acheivement to be only 3 tenths faster the a car with nearly 100 more horses to the wheels.[/QUOTE/]

Uh that is more than 100hp more to the wheels 271 vs. "390". And it was not .3 seconds faster it was less like .1 in Moter Trends recent test.
Still the Cobra is one heck of a dragster. But the Evo is still the better car in my book (the $7000 difference can more than make up .1 seconds, HKS baby :smokin: )

Jared_80

12-18-2003, 01:32 PM

eitherway,Z rules...

The Z rulez what?? It cannot even match the SRT-4, much less the Evo! Or the STi. What exactly does the Z rule? Granted it look very sweet but that is all cosmetic. In the proformance world it rulez nothing.
.89G cornering what a joke!
65mph in the slolom! Ha an econamy car can do that!
14.3 in the 1/4 mile! The Evo and STi run low 13s over a second faster out of a 4 door 4 banger!
5.6 0-60. Uh that is not really bad but it is not good by a long shot.

Don't judge this book by it's cover nacho, because you will be dissapointed on the track. And as far as the NISMO thing goes I want to see proformance before I beileve it. Show me speed and I will believe. :p

svtcobra007x

12-18-2003, 03:44 PM

MSOsr

12-18-2003, 05:41 PM

You can put a rocket engine in a Pinto and it will beat a Z.......but it will still be a Pinto.

Pull into a full parking lot, side by side, with a Z and see what car people flock around to look at.

ghetto7o2azn

12-18-2003, 07:09 PM

jared.... you must be the biggest idiot i have ever seen... u dont want to take the mustangs side, then dont... we shouldnt talk shit about cars we hardly even know about? he came in here saying that nissans were pieces of shit... now lets think who started that... plus he is the one who said that without knowing anything about nissans in the first place.. why dont u go back and read pages 1-16 if you have been reading this post like i have you would understand what we are talking about... and what is the whole deal with the faster car thing? yes the srt may be fast so y dont u get one... it may be cheaper for the power that u get but dodge will easily make more money off of you through repares... so why dont u look at things through the long run... with the z or any japanese car you are paying for more than performance, quality... you keep comparing everything to the evo and sti... wuts with that? you even put up a post bashing tiburons saying thier slow... then u start comparing it to an evo... who cares if tiburons are slow.. people dont usually buy tiburons to race them... their fwd v6 170hp cars... who in their right mind would want to race it? do you have some kind of disease which makes you put down other cars that you don't have?... is it because your jelouse because they have 350zs and you have a 87 corolla? i doubt you have even driven the 350z... even if you have, not enough to truly apreciate it... and if you have driven it you are blind my friend..

-rob

mikegee

12-18-2003, 07:29 PM

mikegee

12-18-2003, 07:41 PM

jared.... you must be the biggest idiot i have ever seen... u dont want to take the mustangs side, then dont... we shouldnt talk shit about <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>s we hardly even know about? he came in here saying that nissans were pieces of shit... now lets think who started that... plus he is the one who said that without knowing anything about nissans in the first place.. why dont u go back and read pages 1-16 if you have been reading this post like i have you would understand what we are talking about... and what is the whole deal with the faster car thing? yes the srt may be fast so y dont u get one... it may be cheaper for the power that u get but dodge will easily make more money off of you through repares... so why dont u look at things through the long run... with the z or any japanese car you are paying for more than performance, quality... you keep comparing everything to the evo and sti... wuts with that? you even put up a post bashing tiburons saying thier slow... then u start comparing it to an evo... who cares if tiburons are slow.. people dont usually buy tiburons to race them... their fwd v6 170hp cars... who in their right mind would want to race it? do you have some kind of disease which makes you put down other cars that you don't have?... is it because your jelouse because they have 350zs and you have a 87 corolla? i doubt you have even driven the 350z... even if you have, not enough to truly apreciate it... and if you have driven it you are blind my friend..

-rob

please tell me you werent just knocking an 87 corolla

mikegee

12-18-2003, 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]
Whatever people at least Ford doesnt raise their prices on cars.

please dont blaim nissan or any other car company for dealership mark ups

nacho_nissan

12-18-2003, 10:31 PM

14.3 in the 1/4 mile! The Evo and STi run low 13s over a second faster out of a 4 door 4 banger!
Whats wrong with a 4-door car? Are you telling me the 4-door RB25DET powered BLITZ skyline is Slow...?And you forgot the Turbo part,because 4-bangger and Turbo 4-bangger are not the same. in case you didnt notice,this is basically a "350Z vs mustang" thread,so your either with a 350Z or a mustang...The 350Z is not cosmetics! How are you gonna say its "cosmetics"?? This is quality! Dont look for stupid excuses...I cant think of any V6 running with a 350Z for around the same price...anyway,that car looks nice like a bitch...you're lucky nissan doesnt make the Sunny GTi-R anymore,I bet that would be runnin with the evo and STi... :iceslolan so yeah, NISSAN rulez stupid people :smile:

nacho_nissan

12-18-2003, 10:39 PM

Exactly, the Z is not meant to be on the track. It is just a show off car that gives to the consumers nothing but looks. It has no power in it compared to a Cobra which is basically the same price.

Whatever people at least Ford doesnt raise their prices on cars. Go pay $33,000 for a 350Z and I will go pay $33,000 for a 2003 Cobra. Then let us take them out on the track one on one.........my tailights will keep getting farther away from your Z as you are lagging behind with 289 horses. What a joke..............pathetic.

The Z has its problems.

And do not say that is an unfair race, they are both the same amount of money, and I kinda see the Cobra as stock. Its obvious that pricewise, the Mustang kicks major ass.
The reason Ford doesnt raise their prices on cars,its because people wont pay more for their POS! :iceslolan "289 horses. What a joke..............pathetic." :uhoh: Didnt you say your pony had like 240hp?what a pussy! you shouldnt even be talkin...you have a few mods on your car,and it still wont keep up with this POA(piece of art) at any track! :nono: Just get out of here..go with your Mustang buddies and talk about getting 200hp out of i/e and pulley for like $200... :rolleyes: And how cool ya'll are cause in every corner you see a mustangforums buddy :lol2:

longlivetheZ

12-19-2003, 02:24 AM

I'm now working too many hours, amongst other things, to sit up until crazy times at night and wage this war any further. The cobra supporters in this thread either haven't gotten my point(s), haven't been listening to me at all, or they just decided to totally ignore what I'm saying. What ever the reason, we're just going around in circles and I can't do it anymore because I'm not getting enough sleep. There really is no point anyway...most people are stubborn and set in their ways and I believe this is a major factor to why the mustang has lasted as long as it has. Just about everything I've said, every stat I've given, and everything I've posted has been ignored or misinterpreted by just about all of the cobra supporters...which is why you still support it.

The Z doesn't roll off the dealer's lot a complete rocket yet, but it will in time and has the potential to be made into one now. More Nismo modifications are coming soon as well as the many many many aftermarket companies working hard on new things all the time.

Jared_80 said something about the 350 hp HKS TT'd 350 being slower then the cobra...it's stupid statements like these that have contributed to me just saying to hell with it. The Greddy TT Z has pretty much the same hp as what you mentioned for the HKS kit and it's just as fast as the cobra. The 350 with the TT kit is actually cheaper, too...~$28,000 for the car and just say $5,000 for the TT kit since that's approx what similar s/c kits cost...even if the kit costs $8,000, it would be the same as the cobra, so don't gimme any of that "oooooh...well...you don't know what it's going to cost because it's not out yet" stuff...just be logical, people.

TT350 ~4.6 0-60 vs. the cobra's ~4.5...it's the same...there are way too many variables for a couple tenths of a second to matter...and a faster 1/4 mile time on only ~10psi. Do a little more work and turn the boost up and you're easily sub 4 second 0-60. http://www.motortrend.com/motor/features/performance/112_0308_tuner_350z_l.jpg I can hear it now..."Oh my God...it only has 345 horsepower...that's lame...blah blah blah"...it doesn't matter...it's a lighter, more aerodynamic car then the cobra, so it puts that power to better use. I've been saying things like this for a long time now, and no one cares, but I thought I'd say it one last time. Yea...they're fast cars. Great. Good for you. They aren't anything extraordinary outside of going straight and they're extrememly poorly designed...inside and out. The biggest thing that I don't understand is how anyone could pay $35,000 for a car that you see hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times a day.

If anyone (whether pro cobra or pro 350...either way) wants to talk like a normal person...someone that will listen to and present facts without being a stubborn ass hole...feel free to personal message me.

Long Live The Z

drifter17

12-19-2003, 06:23 PM

ghetto7o2azn

12-19-2003, 08:30 PM

sorry if i seemed to be "knocking" the 87 corolla but tell me the truth.. would u rather have a 350z or an 87 corolla... if u choose the corolla then... um i dont kno ur just wierd... i can probably say it is a reliable and good car but cmon this guy is all over this site puting down other cars exept for the wrx and the lancer and acts as if he has one... i think he is just jelouse that he doesnt have a better car... just my guess

svtcobra007x

12-19-2003, 09:20 PM

you guys are all ridiculous basing your views upon 0-60 times.....all car corporations create there vehicles to look good in there 0-60 times by there drivetrain, i wish i could show you guys, but how can a evo vi and a passat shift into third at the same speed? because there made to show the best 0-60 times they can. base your arguments on atleast 1/4 mile times.....and if you can, track times.

oo and btw the 350z does edge out the mustang in my book, and why would you buy a mustang cobra anyway? if i was going for american muscle i would definatley spend my hard earned cash on a trans-am or even a ss before i would waste it on a mustang...comon like you muscle fans say there no replacement for displacment (except for current turbo technologies) so which looks better to you 4.6-8 (sorry i dont remember) or 5.7? hmmm lemme think

Why would someone want to buy a Mustang Cobra? I wonder why??? Well, first of all its a souped up modified Mustang made by SVT(Special Vehicle Teams) Ford. It includes a 4.6 Liter V8 Supercharged engine with 390 horses under the hood. With more and more dyno tests that people are taking their Cobra in for, it is said that the horsepower has been taking up to 425hp. The Cobra can go up to 169mph and has great acceleration that can go 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Now granted, 0-60 times tend to be hated by most people especially you guys, but that tells you something on how great the get up and go of the car is. So the Cobra is a fast car, faster than the SS, faster than the Trans Am, faster than the 350Z, and a hell of a lot sportier. At least they put detail into the Mustangs unlike cars like the 350Z.

Oh and BTW, the Camaro is gone. And you wanna know why? The Camaro and the Firebird were both ended due to the sales of the Mustangs because it was kicking their asses. Mustangs were being sold left and right because a lot of people loved them..........Lol...its kinda ironic how all of you in this forum hate Mustangs because of looks but it looks like most people actually like the Stangs due to how stylish they are. Wow........its so sweet. Listening to you talking shit about the Mustangs doesnt even matter to me knowing most of America loves them and prefers to drive them over Nissan.

But what the hell, it is your preference to waste money on overpriced european cars.

svtcobra007x

12-19-2003, 09:32 PM

Good for you LonglivetheZ, make assumptions on cars that you havent even test driven. "Poorly designed inside and out". How the hell would you know? It seems all you test drive is Nissans but you make assumptions that American cars suck. Step into reality.

If you want to take this a step further, than go to a Ford dealer and step into the SVT building. Say you want to take the Cobra out for a spin and come back and tell us your experience. Only then will you know what a Cobra can do. But that will never happen...you will only base your opinions of the car off what European car fans have to say.

And Nacho, just shut up for once. You tick off and annoy every domestic car fan at automotiveforums.com. People, start reading the threads that he has been posting in the Mustang section. He is being embarrassed by so many users. I dont mean to be mean Nacho, but if you kinda backed off a little and werent so negative to other people and actually had something meaningful to say, then I would respect you. But you are just a jerk. ANyway, the GT has "260 horses" got that, and the Cobra with 390 horses. Z has 289 horses....ouch, not good for Nacho. I think the Cobra will handle the Z on the track very well. Plus, at least im getting the bang for the buck.

Wow, I'm surprised this thread hasn't closed yet, but since I just said that, it probably will soon. Moderators have no mercy, they close threads left and right but this one is hangin on.

nacho_nissan

12-19-2003, 09:38 PM

SVT(Special Vehicle Teams) Ford.
wait,does this mean ford is special...like retarded? :smile:

svtcobra007x

12-19-2003, 09:46 PM

I try to find humor in that but I just can't.

-The Stig-

12-19-2003, 11:12 PM

I try to find humor in that but I just can't.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative19.jpg

longlivetheZ

12-20-2003, 01:46 AM

Well, first of all its a souped up modified Mustang made by SVT(Special Vehicle Teams) Ford.

Where were you in that other forum when everyone was saying how stock the cobra was.........

mikegee

12-20-2003, 09:49 AM

Where were you in that other forum when everyone was saying how stock the cobra was.........

wow such a good point, its not stock the cobra is as moded. as it can get not the 350 thats stock 2 less cylinders and 1 or so less liters. gee less power to but yet they are so close. i could be wrong but isnt the Z less money too?

Hypsi87

12-20-2003, 08:03 PM

im not exactly sure but i am very confindent it was in fact an inline 6 i dont see why buick would lie when they had a special on speed vision when it was speed vision. but so what the fact still remains it out ran and out handled all american cars in that year mhm yep even ohh my god the true american sports car the stank corvette.

ok I know that this was way at the start of this thread but honstly i feel like I need to correct this.........They are not inline 6's they are a 3.8 V-6 single turbo.... none of them where twin turbo v-6's or turbo v-8' s (Thoes rumors float around all over the place.) Oh and they won't outhandle a vette sorry man it just will not happen. Trust me on this i've been around turbo buick for a while. P.S. Whats up longlivetheZ, been awhile since I have talked to you.

drifter17

12-21-2003, 08:59 AM

Why would someone want to buy a Mustang Cobra? I wonder why??? Well, first of all its a souped up modified Mustang made by SVT(Special Vehicle Teams) Ford. It includes a 4.6 Liter V8 Supercharged engine with 390 horses under the hood. With more and more dyno tests that people are taking their Cobra in for, it is said that the horsepower has been taking up to 425hp. The Cobra can go up to 169mph and has great acceleration that can go 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Now granted, 0-60 times tend to be hated by most people especially you guys, but that tells you something on how great the get up and go of the car is. So the Cobra is a fast car, faster than the SS, faster than the Trans Am, .
give me a supercharged trans am or ss and we'll see how "fast" your mustang compares...

Oh and BTW, the Camaro is gone. And you wanna know why? The Camaro and the Firebird were both ended due to the sales of the Mustangs because it was kicking their asses. Mustangs were being sold left and right because a lot of people loved them.......... YOU obviously dont know why they stopped making BOTH the ss and trans-am.....yes the mustang did take in more sales...but do you know why? because they were alot cheaper and people chose to buy them because of the fact you could get decent performance for 25k.....not to mention ALOT of people thought of it as an "economic sports car"....motor trend, car and driver, road and track have all compared these cars and while the mustang fairs well in there tests time and time again the trans-am and ss just flat out beats them