SLR vs. SL 65 AMG?

so i just read about a new beast of a roadster that mercedes is puttin out called the SL 65 AMG, 6.0 liter v12, twin turbo, anyone know if this supposed to be more powerful than the SLR? with more cylinders, displacement, and more boost than the 55 amg, wouldn't it make sense for this to be more potent than the SLR? I thought the SLR was made to be the flagship hence most powerful?

yeh it is meant to be the most powerful car mercedes has built for a long time around 600bhp

so i just read about a new beast of a roadster that mercedes is puttin out called the SL 65 AMG, 6.0 liter v12, twin turbo, anyone know if this supposed to be more powerful than the SLR? with more cylinders, displacement, and more boost than the 55 amg, wouldn't it make sense for this to be more potent than the SLR? I thought the SLR was made to be the flagship hence most powerful?

the SL65 AMG is actually lower on horsepower,
612 compare to 626 for the SLR
but the SL65 has more torque, 1000Nm compare to 780Nm

power to weight people... power to weight... the SL 65 AMG weights much more compared to the SLR. So, while the SL65 might have more torque and/or horsepower the SLR will beat it in evey catagory because it is lighter.

power to weight people... power to weight... the SL 65 AMG weights much more compared to the SLR. So, while the SL65 might have more torque and/or horsepower the SLR will beat it in evey catagory because it is lighter.

Motor Trend or track or what not was saying that the CL 65 will only have two years of production...it is sad that the same engine wasn't tuned for the SLR...but who knows...maybe down the road it will? Any info on that?

Also, anyone heard on the rumor of the new SL body, due 2005 to mimic the SLR? might be another thread...

From the reviews in magazines it sounds like the cl65's chassis can't handle it 612bhp but the slr has a mclaren chassis and apparently fantastic handling making the cl65 feel like a boat. This will probably be the same for the sl65. Weight is a big thing too. An slr weighs 1693kg while and sl weighs about 2 tonnes. You could buy an sl65 (or even better a 575 maranello) and a 911 gt3 and still have spare change from the ridiculous near $500000 price tag. it costs £313000 here in the uk.

What people forget is the SLR chassis and monoque is all carbon fibre/ aluminium honeycombe, a big weight saving and strength advantage over anything else. The SLR shares a lot of the technology learnt from the McLaren F1. There maybe cars out there that would beat it 0-60 on a strip but remember it has been built to be driven on normal roads. There won't be many motors that would out drive it normally except the FI !!! :grinno:

Dave

Now that you've mentioned it, the SLR and McF1 are two COMPLETELY different cars. Yes, they both utilize technology extracted from countless hours of racing, but the SLR is a grand touring car, much like the 575 Maranello. The SLR and 575 share the same body style, huge bonnet / small cockpit look, but the difference is the rarity. Also, while the SLR is "co-produced" by McLaren, the F1 was all about the "purest driving machine" and it has been quoted by many people as the closest you can get to a street-legal racecar. The SLR it not about the "purest driving machine" but rather the most sophisticated and sumptuous driving machine. Its the greatest comprimise of all, sport and luxury, and it accomplishes this task quite well, albeit the $440k price tag.

Well my father is a mechanic and has gone on a traning course for the new V16 TT. It isnt all that special. The systems on the car will deffinetly not cope with the power very well.

I dont want to get into the details because the public is not suposta know about it but the car is over designed. To many new systems, to much to go wrong.

Can u imagine Brabus playing around with an SLR? I think the result would be interesting....... quite interesting indeed.

Mercedes is making all Canadian(dont know about US but most likley) coustomers sign a form saying that they can not modify the car from the state that they bought it in. This does not include wheels and tires. But such things as engine, drivetrain, body.

They are doing this so that the cars they sell remain in tact. Personaly I think it is a good idea. How many 300SLR Gullwing's do you see around?? Thats because people started to tune the car and crashed them. They want as many of this rare car on the road.
PS I get to drive one, some guy in West Vancouver has got one on order and when it comes in I can drive it:D

Mercedes is making all Canadian(dont know about US but most likley) customers sign a form saying that they can not modify the car from the state that they bought it in. This does not include wheels and tires. But such things as engine, drive train, body.

They are doing this so that the cars they sell remain in tact. Personally I think it is a good idea. How many 300SLR Gullwing's do you see around?? Thats because people started to tune the car and crashed them. They want as many of this rare car on the road.
PS I get to drive one, some guy in West Vancouver has got one on order and when it comes in I can drive it:D

It is more to do with the electronics on the car. Via a on board modem McLaren will be able to tell if any thing has been changed (engine), similarly to the F1, McLaren can do on board diagnostics.The car is set for all the latest emission controls for up to and including the new ones coming in effect in 2005 (Europe) therefore any tampering with the initial set up would effectively make the car unusable. Why would you want to change what already is very good.

because "very good" can always be made better.

I don't condone the modifying of this car... it's actually a really good idea to keep it intact. BUT if they ever decide to race it in LeMans, then some SERIOUS modifying will happen. Oh man.... that just makes me happy.:evillol:

because "very good" can always be made better.

I don't condone the modifying of this car... it's actually a really good idea to keep it intact. BUT if they ever decide to race it in LeMans, then some SERIOUS modifying will happen. Oh man.... that just makes me happy.:evillol:

Thats a fair comment, but making a track car is different from a road car. The F1 in track guise is a totally different beast than the road car (well almost) :grinno: I expect it wont be lonmg before we see a SLR on the race track as it has the chassis and development behind it already to be able to cope with race conditions. It was tested on the same Inston rigs as the Formula 1 McLarens so should stand up to some hard work.

Dave

should read Instron Rigs

Also, anyone heard on the rumor of the new SL body, due 2005 to mimic the SLR? might be another thread...

Yes thats right.I have seen today the new SL 65 AMG V8 Kompressor on the Road in Munich.the new Model has the same nose as the SLR or the new SLK.

You mean the SL 65 with a V12 Twin Turbo right?

The slr is 10x better for many reasons 1 is that the body is made entirely of Carbon fiber 2 the slr has more power 3 it has way better aerodynamics then a sl 65. I ve been fortunate enough to sit in both these amazing cars. The dealership by me rallye motors has the first SLR ever made. I will be posting brand new pics of the slr very soon. If any1 is interest heres the dealerships site.
www.rallye.com
(they also carry maybachs)

Don't forget about 3 times more expensive too!!!

Silver_M333]Don't forget about 3 times more expensive too!!!

Lol true very true!!

Some pics (not taken by me) of the SL65 AMG here (http://www.mbcanada.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1640)

Can u imagine Brabus playing around with an SLR? I think the result would be interesting....... quite interesting indeed.

How about Lorinser? jeeze, 21 inchers on the SLR.

I'd prefer if kleemann did something with the Slr or sl 65 amg Kleemann has a nice style to it.http://www.supercars.net/images-small/2003_kleemann_xtreme-1.gif (http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-1.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept)http://www.supercars.net/graphics/fullscreenside.gif (javascript:viewimage('http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-1.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept'))http://www.supercars.net/images-small/2003_kleemann_xtreme-2.gif (http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-2.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept)http://www.supercars.net/graphics/fullscreenside.gif (javascript:viewimage('http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-2.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept'))http://www.supercars.net/images-small/2003_kleemann_xtreme-3.gif (http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-3.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept)http://www.supercars.net/graphics/fullscreenside.gif (javascript:viewimage('http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=car&id=2494&i=0&p=2003_kleemann_xtreme-3.jpg&y=2003&m=Kleemann&o=55%20Xtreme%20Concept'))

these cars cant even be compared. The SLR, is an amazing Super-Sports car while the SL65 AMG is just a high powered saloon type car. While the BHP is close within 10 give or take, i doubt the SL65 will have the low weight, extremem handling and amazing brakes. To put the SLR in perspective top gear tested the Zonda and the Koenigsegg around their test track, same condiditions with the same race driver and both clocked in at around 1:23:xxx (remember these are out and out sports cars, no comprimises, and the enzo is about the same round the track as these 2). Then the SLR, clocked a tme of 1:20:xxx. 3 seconds faster which is stupidly fast!!..At the moent no car compares to this as it is amazingly fast round a track in a straight line, very well refined, and eve has a good sized boot. This car is amazing!!

these cars cant even be compared. The SLR, is an amazing Super-Sports car while the SL65 AMG is just a high powered saloon type car. While the BHP is close within 10 give or take, i doubt the SL65 will have the low weight, extremem handling and amazing brakes. To put the SLR in perspective top gear tested the Zonda and the Koenigsegg around their test track, same condiditions with the same race driver and both clocked in at around 1:23:xxx (remember these are out and out sports cars, no comprimises, and the enzo is about the same round the track as these 2). Then the SLR, clocked a tme of 1:20:xxx. 3 seconds faster which is stupidly fast!!..At the moent no car compares to this as it is amazingly fast round a track in a straight line, very well refined, and eve has a good sized boot. This car is amazing!!

true very true but the real difference is because the slr is mostly c.f. 300 pound weight diff! :eek:

I work very closely with MB ad have got an SL65, and i have to say that the performance is astonishing. I thought that the SL would be more of a GT car than an out an out performance car, but it manages to do both with ease.
Last week, I drove the 3rd ever SLR to be produced. I imagined it to be more of super car, but it is actually quite luxuriouse. However, the two cars should not be compared.
Even though the SLR only has a 5.5 V8, this is the more flexible engine than the V12.
If you look at MB's new line up, the 5.5 is going to be put in the C class and the SLK, but these will only produce around 350bhp, whereas the SLR produces nearly twice that. There is potential to squeze a bit more from the 5.5, but the V12 was chosen for the new AMG venture because of its smoothness.
I have however just watched the new Porsche Carrara GT out perform the Enzo and SLR, and am trying to get my hands on one...

You have DRIVEN the SLRand have an SL65??? I think you are turning everyone green with envy!!! I know the SLR is a limited production super car but the SL 600 already has such incredible acceleration. I was just wondering how the SL65 power would be compared to the SLR's.

Theres not much in the initial acceloraton. The tourq of the 65 will pull it to 45mph faster than the SLR, but when that Kompressor kicks in, your rocketed towards the horizon like nobody's business leaving the 65 to sort out its turbo lag, and haul its mas weight behind it. And, wheras the SL65 stops accelorating at a pathetic 155mph, due to its "keep the green party and the grannys happy" speed limiter, the SLR just carries on this vendetor of speed. Needless to say, my nerve and the tarmac ran out before the potential of the car did.

Theres not many cars that could make my new baby feel slow, but the SLR sure managed it. I am now looking to purchase.

I cant remember a time since the release of the F40 that i have been that astonished with a car. It is the best. the Enzo may be faster, but its ugly when you park an SLR ext to it, and it just dosnt feel as special.

SLR... soul defining!

You wana know the answer to this thread?

Sorry mods but this had to be shown! Just for you guys! :p

http://www.exotixboard.com/showthread.php?t=1952

Have fun :evillol:

Detuned the SL65 AMG will take the SLR at 215 for the AMG and 207.5 for the SLR!