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350Z Under 300 hp DISAPPOINTMENT


nclifter
09-07-2003, 09:47 PM
This car is not fast. Not enuff power. I really wanted to like the 350z but it doesnt have the balls to do the job. All new sports cars and muscle cars need at least 300 hp to compete this day and age. The 350xz is far from fast. My friend raced one with his 97 C5 vette both were bone stock and he put a bad beat down on the 350z .

z33guy
09-07-2003, 10:06 PM
mmk, 13.6 is slow for a stock car with decent rubber on it? Its got a v6 get over it. Some should talk to the guy thats holding the gun to your head telling you to buy a 350z.

nclifter
09-07-2003, 11:11 PM
Sorry but R&T said the 1/4 was 14.3
Why would a buy a 350Z when I own a Viper. In which I wouldnt have to press the pedal half way down to beat the Z.
To bad Nissan does not give you a Turbo option then I could respect the car but as it is now
your cars are slow and underpowered get over it.

z33guy
09-08-2003, 07:18 AM
ok captain magazine racer, produce a better load of crap next time you come to the Z forum. This one was lame

Neutrino
09-10-2003, 03:28 AM
Sorry but R&T said the 1/4 was 14.3
Why would a buy a 350Z when I own a Viper. In which I wouldnt have to press the pedal half way down to beat the Z.
To bad Nissan does not give you a Turbo option then I could respect the car but as it is now
your cars are slow and underpowered get over it.



first of all I doubt you have a viper... in my experience most people with really fast cars don't go around forums biching how slow other people's cars are....

how many poeple with a 350z go around civic forums saying how slow they are?

also if you are so rich and can aford cars like a viper why do you even bother researching 350z's ?

z33guy
09-10-2003, 05:58 PM
first of all I doubt you have a viper... in my experience most people with really fast cars don't go around forums biching how slow other people's cars are....

how many poeple with a 350z go around civic forums saying how slow they are?

also if you are so rich and can aford cars like a viper why do you even bother researching 350z's ?
well said :iceslolan

ibhe's12

99SIVTEC
09-10-2003, 10:56 PM
Seriously, the 350Z is a really nice overall car. Put a few mods on it and you make a good car even better. Besides throw on an aftermarket turbo kit and your going to be faster then 95% of the cars on the road.

igor@af
09-10-2003, 11:13 PM
I think the Z is an amazing sports car with an amazing torque curve. Yes, non-professional enthusiast drivers have pushed the car to 13.6 fully stock. There are now various aftermarket options available for the car, one being the Procharger, which pushes the rwhp output to around 380 on regular gas (with intercooler). There is also the Greddy TT that is soon to be released that will do well over 400 horses at the wheels. A modified 350Z will easily beat even the Viper, and it will cost significantly less. But that is not really an interesting arguement as that is not why people buy these performance cars anyway.

Neutrino
09-12-2003, 01:59 AM
and lets not forget all the nismo upgrades that will not void the warranty

Paonessa
09-12-2003, 05:55 PM
There is also the Greddy TT that is soon to be released that will do well over 400 horses at the wheels.
put that on the AWD g35 coming out soon and that'd be one hell of a machine. comparable to a porsche for less than 40K.
btw do you think the AWD g35 tranny and axles would swap into a Z?

Neutrino
09-12-2003, 08:06 PM
put that on the AWD g35 coming out soon and that'd be one hell of a machine. comparable to a porsche for less than 40K.
btw do you think the AWD g35 tranny and axles would swap into a Z?



this is the second time i hear abot an AWD g35....are you sure about this or its just a rumour? And will both G35 models come with it?

deadmaninc
09-12-2003, 09:18 PM
No rumor its coming in during late fall. Its only on the sedan because they only have the sedan in awd in Japan.

Paonessa
09-13-2003, 09:30 AM
No rumor its coming in during late fall. Its only on the sedan because they only have the sedan in awd in Japan.
it's in the october 03 Car and DRiver magazine pg88. it talks about how the tire pressure meter comes standard, there's a new center console for 6 speeds and then it briefly goes on to mention that an AWD option comes out mid year 04. i didn't know about the fact that it's only on the sedan, tht kinda sucks. the coupe should get it too. they probably want it to be just like the skyline though, an AWD 4 door beast

EMAXX
09-13-2003, 10:25 AM
The Z is a great car. Its not some car that was ment to out perform the Corvette. Its just like it was in the olden days. A cheap, good looking sports car.
And I'm sorry, but I really doubt that you have a Viper. Post some pics and prove me wrong.

BluEVIETMooN
09-17-2003, 05:59 PM
u shoudnt be disapointed at all. Now common 350z have 287hp stock and its all from aspirated power...and now compared them to the older Z and the Supra. Supra and older Z wiithout turbos sport a measly 220 and 222 HP.

I heard that Greddy will soon realease a TT kit which should boost 350Z HP to at least 350HP. Or stillen has a supercharger too.

Sean005
09-22-2003, 12:37 AM
In all honesty netclifter, i think your a total jackass, i own a 350z yes i own one and im only 20. The average person cant afford an 80,000 dollar viper, but i test drove the viper and your braggin about a car that is not to impressive, id prefer the Z03 over the viper cuz the viper handles like garbage. Yea it roars but im sure if u really do have a viper u dont have the 10 cyl., for 30,000 bucks you cant find a better car on the market than the Z, and fyi, i got the injen cold air intake on my car and im pushin 302hp, wow its only cost me 240 bucks to meet your standards.

spooleffect
09-22-2003, 12:53 AM
but i test drove the viper and your braggin about a car that is not to impressive, id prefer the Z03 over the viper cuz the viper handles like garbage.

Muther Fuck Im sick of people saying the Viper handles like shit. Vipers are incredibly nimble cars especially for its weight. Just because you can't handle its power doesnt mean its a shitty car it just means that you are a shitty driver. Vipers start off as .95+g cars, add that with one of the most responsive and powerful motors ever and you have an amazing automobile. It just takes a driver with skill to control and harness such a car. Leadfoots need not apply.

BTW- The 350 is an incredible car as well nclifter. So what if its not as fast as other cars, big Whoop. There are plenty of cars out there that are faster than Vipers and Z06's.

BP2K2Max
09-26-2003, 10:21 AM
for 30,000 bucks you cant find a better car on the market than the Z,
i almost agree with that, if it weren't for the Impreza sti and Lancer evolution. but the 350z is by no means a disappointment. anyone who knows of the 350s predecessors knows the new 350's are almost as much fun as the vg30T 300z's and are very modification friendly.

350Zyprexa
10-15-2003, 11:42 PM
The difference between 287 and 300 HP is all in the driver (i.e. Michael Schumacher vs Juan Pablo Montoya)

If you don't own and drive a 350Z every day then you're not really qualified to speak about it...no?

P.S. You can have my Z when you pry my cold, dead, hands off the wheel and give me the keys to a Skyline GT-R or 911 Twin Turbo..

DR_Gallup
10-17-2003, 03:27 PM
i almost agree with that, if it weren't for the Impreza sti and Lancer evolution. but the 350z is by no means a disappointment. anyone who knows of the 350s predecessors knows the new 350's are almost as much fun as the vg30T 300z's and are very modification friendly.
The STI and Evo are great performers but they both are built on 4 door econobox platforms and no amount of wings and hood scoops can disguise that. The Z is a sports car. 2 doors, 2 seats, front engine, rear drive. If it can't meet those simple criteria I ain't interested (mid engine is also quite acceptable). I for one am not the least disappointed with my 350Z. It continues to turn heads and snap necks after 14 months of ownership. :iceslolan :iceslolan

longlivetheZ
10-22-2003, 12:06 AM
I think the Z is an amazing sports car with an amazing torque curve. Yes, non-professional enthusiast drivers have pushed the car to 13.6 fully stock. There are now various aftermarket options available for the car, one being the Procharger, which pushes the rwhp output to around 380 on regular gas (with intercooler). There is also the Greddy TT that is soon to be released that will do well over 400 horses at the wheels. A modified 350Z will easily beat even the Viper, and it will cost significantly less. But that is not really an interesting arguement as that is not why people buy these performance cars anyway.

Very smart guy. Couldn't agree more. You guys just wait to see what the Z can do...we're just getting started...

Long Live The Z

zeto350
11-06-2003, 12:32 PM
This car is not fast. Not enuff power. I really wanted to like the 350z but it doesnt have the balls to do the job. All new sports cars and muscle cars need at least 300 hp to compete this day and age. The 350xz is far from fast. My friend raced one with his 97 C5 vette both were bone stock and he put a bad beat down on the 350z .
no balls what the hell are u talking about,aeh man there is way chank your hp to 320 hp i did it no big modi just 1 raicing chip n intake and about that vett i smoke them all in N.O just spent some times wit the car .every one modi them car man :disappoin :disappoin

lordvektra
11-07-2003, 10:27 AM
troll..

I want a 350 :swear:

rizzspeed
12-02-2003, 03:46 PM
I don't want a 350Z, just the $30K or so that one would spend on one.

longlivetheZ
12-02-2003, 11:18 PM
How ignorant...people that just judge a car by it's HP #. Who gives a rat's ass. It's only part of the picture. There are many factors that determine a car's performance...not just how many horsepower it has. The Z's pretty damn fast stock. It'd be scary with mods. I drove one a while back and had the car sales guy clinging to the 'oh shit' handles for dear life. I even remember saying out loud "oh....well....there's sixty". Came much quicker then it felt. I like the new vettes...especially the Z06. One of the very few domestic cars I like. You're a moron for saying the Z isn't good because it can't beat a C5. Completely different type of car. You can't get a new C5 for under $45,000...that's about $15,000 more that us Z guys can use for mods. Come back then. We'll win.

rizzspeed
12-14-2003, 06:21 PM
Nice new sig there brother!'
Quite sweet....so, who's z is that?

longlivetheZ
12-15-2003, 12:31 AM
lol.....I like how you didn't even think for a second it was mine.....I saw it in a magazine I was reading in the grocery store......when I got home, I went to the magazine's site and borrowed it.

Evo VII Lover
12-15-2003, 06:31 PM
i love how that nclifter scrub doesnt respond anymore, LOL. yea i bet he owns a viper... LOLOLOLOL good laughs for the day. not like viper performance isnt hard to match. give me 5k and an EVO and ill rape the viper up 1/4th and around the track, with ease. And its not like you can mod vipers cheaply, heh modding it will run you mega bucks.

350z is a good car, cant dis that fact, I love the car too.

LOLOL I still cant get over how he claims he owns a viper. not one viper owner would browse forums knocking other cars for fun, i'd rather be driving a car like that....but we clearly see he doesnt own one.

i_Like_Imports
12-29-2003, 12:37 AM
Have U thought of an aftermarket turbo conversion. HKS is in the process of producing streatable bolt on kits for the VQ35. The only downside is the lack of space under the bonnet.

drifter17
12-29-2003, 02:45 AM
Oh boy another cobra vs 350z type post. How dare you come into the 350z forum and trash on the car. The only people who have a right to trash on it is one who owns/has owned one. Them or a Nissan fan as myself :iceslolan . No I am not going to trash it though, while it isn't as great as it should be, it is a great car. How many cars do you know that comes with Brembo brakes for 30,000$? That shows that this car was made to be more of a budget preformer. Think of it like the older 88-92 Mustang 5.0's the "Poor mans race car". This is just more of a mid class poor mans race car :biggrin: . And yes I said race car, as in a CIRCUIT track not a DRAG track.

longlivetheZ
12-29-2003, 05:09 AM
Comparing the new Z to the old mustangs???? Ehhh.......whaaaaaaat the heeeeeeeeell? I get your point, but damn man...the Z FAR surpasses ANY regular mustang in quality, durability, comfort, reliability, overall performance, etc...

drifter17
12-29-2003, 11:53 AM
Comparing the new Z to the old mustangs???? Ehhh.......whaaaaaaat the heeeeeeeeell? I get your point, but damn man...the Z FAR surpasses ANY regular mustang in quality, durability, comfort, reliability, overall performance, etc...
Yes the Z does but I was just saying that for comparisons sake.

svtcobra007x
01-01-2004, 10:12 AM
Comparing the new Z to the old mustangs???? Ehhh.......whaaaaaaat the heeeeeeeeell? I get your point, but damn man...the Z FAR surpasses ANY regular mustang in quality, durability, comfort, reliability, overall performance, etc...

Of course in your opinion, but lets not get to that in this thread.........1969 Ford Mustang Cobra Jet would make you shit in your pants at the track. Thats all I gotta say and its irrelevant.

Moving on to viper and the Z................

longlivetheZ
01-01-2004, 11:56 PM
Yes the Z does but I was just saying that for comparisons sake.

It's cool...I know what ya mean. :smile:

Moving on to viper and the Z................

Viper vs. Z? My God....just shut up, will you please?

rizzspeed
01-02-2004, 12:04 AM
Viper vs. Z? My God....just shut up, will you please?

:lol: :rofl: :lol: :lol2:

:banhim:
:iagree:
:iamwithst :werd:

2of9
01-02-2004, 12:58 AM
im not disappointed, i've ben in a 350Z. thats a strong car compared to the Eagle Talon Tsi AWD. reaching 0-60 is fast in the 350Z. well...i think its fast, i havent ben in those super strong cars like the VR4, RX-7, Supra YET...so i think the 350Z is 2nd in my list of strongest cars-i've-been-in. Talon Tsi AWD is still topping it tho...for me

svtcobra007x
01-02-2004, 02:03 PM
Sorry LonglivetheZ, I like to piss off ricer assholes like you.

ntnsec5
01-06-2004, 04:33 PM
The Z rocks and the engine and drive train do as well.

Starbucks
01-24-2004, 02:49 AM
Right now, at the time of this posting, there is NO CAR IN THE U.S. THAT CAN OUTPERFORM THE 350Z FOR 26K. THATS RIGHT KEEP LOOKING. Not from Ford, not from Chevy, not from Honda, not from Toyota. Get over it domesticles.

Aaron_03
01-30-2004, 03:42 PM
Too bad they don't make the firebird formula anymore....I would say trans-am but they are right at or a little above the price of the Z (during current model year when made).

Good luck finding one for 26,000 though...I'd bet that you can add at least a couple of grand dealer markup to them.

The Z is a nice car though, just wish I could afford one. :naughty:

Starbucks
02-01-2004, 07:33 PM
Actually i got mine for 27k, because i had all upfront cash.

garaget
03-03-2004, 07:00 PM
It is disappointing just looking at HP specs, but you can't just compare horses when comparing cars.

The Z33 is built as a circuit/track car just like the NSX. If you take any other car with the same hp specs or even higher (stang? grandam? turbo integ? etc.. etc..) and run them against the Z or NSX on a real track/circuit.. you will see the real difference in car.

real difference? platform design.

kman10587
03-08-2004, 11:15 PM
Indeed. Both my father and my best friend have owned and driven Z's (my dad drove a NA 280Z and my best friend drives a NA Z31), and they both say that the Z is the greatest car they have ever driven. The Z is more than just a sports car - its design is so beautiful, so advanced, so responsive, that when you are driving a Z, the car is nothing more than an extension of yourself. And to think that the car is so affordable and good-looking.

Big Wave Dave
03-12-2004, 10:55 AM
The guy is a KNOB...if he owned a Viper, he could afford to buy the Z without blinking. And we all know you need a reliable car to fetch parts for your Mopar.

VH45DETTwithNOS
03-13-2004, 08:49 PM
I am a Z fan from way back since I have owned;

1 - 1971 240z 5 speed, yeah fun to drive I was 14 1/2 yr's old when I brought it, crashed it racing a toyota 73 celica, both cars totalled witch sucks I was 17..... :disappoin

2 - 1980 280zx 2seater Turbo 5 speed picked it up for $500, spent about $17,000 NZD($8,000 USD) on the engine alone, managed 2 get 544.3hp out of it @ the rear wheels, and a getrag six speed...I love getting money to spend on cars, all up I spent $60,000 on the car in the 4 years I owned it....ex girl friend crash it @ 207 km/h on a back road. :uhoh: :banghead:

3 - 1992 Z32 300ZX Twin Turbo, my brother and I converted it into a track car, 682HP big grin's everywhere, and hard on's for everyone..

4 - after my 280zx I got anopther Z32 as my road car, I modded it, but sold it in 98, got a...

5 - 200sx S12 1986, and a R33 1996 Skyline GTS4, the S12 got pinched late last year, and written off, but life goes on...now the VH45DE sits on the garage floor waiting to be installed in the GTS4....

Now I am looking for a Z32 300ZX again but I might get the FUCKIN' AWESOME Z33 350z. I love this car, it rocks for the money, and I know of several mods I will be doing on it if I do deside to go for it(Z33), I Iike the 350, but I also love the Z32 300zx TT as well, I want to push the 350z upto 400hp n/a, I know it can be done....just like the 240z of old..

peace out..

Shrieking Seizure
03-14-2004, 03:27 AM
Ehm dude? Doesnt Japan limit their cars to 280 hp? And is that limit changed when they get imported? And if you really own a Viper, why do u bother comparing it to the 350Z? they are in a completely different class...

ogparjay
03-17-2004, 01:59 AM
the 350z is NA and a lot of power upgrade capabilities... it's the best for its price.... GO NISSAN!

VH45DETTwithNOS
03-17-2004, 04:24 AM
the 350z is NA and a lot of power upgrade capabilities... it's the best for its price.... GO NISSAN!


Amen

op012503
03-17-2004, 10:43 PM
I think the car is great and out of new sportscars in that price range there is nothing better. I wish they made the car a little more lightweight to get those 1/4 numbers down a bit. Although im a honda fan i gotta say that nissan has made a huge impact on every sector of the market in 03' and 04'. Keep it up!

burly
03-17-2004, 11:42 PM
Well, the Honda S2000 is lighter, and argueably better in some respects (and worse in others), and it costs a tad less than a 350Z.

2004 Nissan 350Z Track Model Base price ~34K
2004 Honda S2000 Base ~33K
2004 Mazda RX-8 Base ~26K

The 350Z is the drag race winner by about .4 over the S2000 and .7 over the RX-8. However, the S200 puts up slightly higher g's @ 0.90 versus the RX-8 and 350Z's 0.87. Also, the S2000 runs the 600ft slalom slightly faster @ 68.6 verus the 350Z's 68.0

However, the S2000, the RX-8, and the 350Z are all different takes on the sport coupe. The 350Z, with its torquey V-6, is diffinitely the most enjoyable choice for daily 3/10ths driving and those who prefer torque over revs (i sure do). The S2000's go-kart handling is more fun in the twisty's than the 350Z, but you get your body beat around during daily driving and have to get into ridiculous RPM ranges to provide a decent acceleration - not fun for stop and go traffic. The RX-8 is a blend of the two ideas - it rides nicer than the S2000 but uses the same formula for speed - RPMs.

So, there is good competition in the class, and the 350Z isn't head and shoulders above the rest. It is however, a sign of the times. Times when a bad-a** car can be had for a decent price, that you can drive to work during the week and drive the wheels off on the weekend. I like where things are headed here.

And as far as these Viper and Z06 etc comparisions go, its just foolishness. Yes for less cash your Z can be as fast as a stock Z06 or Viper but a cheap Civic could whip your butt next week at the track. There is so much more to the equation than just numbers. One direct one is that your 350Z's are a very suitable daily driver thats fun on the weekends, whereas that Civic would be pushing its limits to keep up and wouldn't ride very nice to and from work. The same applies in the 350Z comparision to Vipers, Porsches and Corvettes - these cars perform at high levels, but still maintain good ride quality, durability, and daily drivability. They also have platforms which have higher limits than the Z, just like the Z has higher limits than a Civic (barring Radical changes, in which case, its not a Civic anymore)

My point is this, the 350Z was built with a different purpose in mind than drag racing a viper or getting 40MPG like a civic. It's a happy and fun blend of power, comfort, durability, and drivability - all at a good price. You get what you pay for most of the time, and you sure as hell get a great car for around 30K in the 350Z. Why ruin it with comparisions to specific characteristics of other cars that were engineered with a totally different purpose and price point in mind ?

Areku_x
03-18-2004, 03:54 AM
Right now, at the time of this posting, there is NO CAR IN THE U.S. THAT CAN OUTPERFORM THE 350Z FOR 26K. THATS RIGHT KEEP LOOKING. Not from Ford, not from Chevy, not from Honda, not from Toyota. Get over it domesticles.
But 2004 21k dodge neon srt-4 will whoop on 350z, I just want to prove to you that 350z is not the fastest car under 26k.

flylwsi
03-20-2004, 01:53 PM
you guys are still arguing over a point that came up 7 months ago, by a person whose only 2 posts are in this exact thread...

hmm...

AC_A340-500
03-27-2004, 06:25 AM
I've been driving one of Nissan Germany's test Z's for the past 4 days and must say that while 280 horsepower isn't enough to elevate it into super-car territory, it sure is a lot of power for the price. There is simply no other way to go 250 km/h (governed) and accellerate 0-100 km/h in under 6 seconds (0-60 mph in 5.5 sec) for 33500 Euros. More importantly, the brakes, handling, steering and transmission are outstanding. I've tested a lot of cars, and this is one of the few that I'm really going to miss after I give it back.

khfromhb
05-04-2004, 06:11 PM
omg.... a viper, c5 corvettes?
wow what can i say?

the guy who claims to own the viper is an idiot!

comparing the z to EVO and STI or the RX8 or S2k is ok

comparing it to vipers and vettes is just dumb.

a moded z will kill a moded S2k in the twistys any day, i know mine dose.

ok i think that covers every thing thank all

longlivetheZ
05-04-2004, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=burly]2004 Mazda RX-8 Base ~26K[\QUOTE]

Good luck getting the sporty-er model of RX-8 of which you are referring to for ~26K.

[QUOTE=burly]However, the S2000, the RX-8, and the 350Z are all different takes on the sport coupe.[\QUOTE]

True true, man.


[QUOTE=burly]There is so much more to the equation than just numbers.[\QUOTE]

THANK YOU!

[QUOTE=burly]They also have platforms which have higher limits than the Z...[\QUOTE]

I don't completely agree with this.

I agree with everything you say except for that last thing. I'm not too sure about that.

longlivetheZ
05-04-2004, 11:26 PM
2004 Mazda RX-8 Base ~26K

Good luck getting the sporty-er model of RX-8 of which you are referring to for ~26K.

However, the S2000, the RX-8, and the 350Z are all different takes on the sport coupe.

True true, man.


There is so much more to the equation than just numbers.

THANK YOU!

They also have platforms which have higher limits than the Z...

I don't completely agree with this.

I agree with everything you say except for that last thing. I'm not too sure about that.

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