3.8 intake coolant leak


athena1
08-27-2003, 06:11 PM
I have a 95 Bonneville and the plastic upper intake melted a hole in the area of the egr tube from the lower intake. I replaced the upper intake with a new one. Then I read a reply on a Lesabre with the same problem. The answer stated that a new lower intake with a smaller tube was available. Does anyone know the part number, my local dealer isn't aware of this.

Flatrater
08-27-2003, 07:42 PM
This condition is a known problem by GM and they ave a bulletin to address the repair.

Engine Coolant Consumption or Coolant Leak (Inspect for Material Degradation/Replace Intake Manifolds) #01-06-01-007A - (07/18/2001)


If degradation of upper intake manifold composite material is found, replace the lower and upper intake manifolds with the following part numbers:
Lower Intake -- 24508923
Upper Intake -- 17113136 (includes necessary upper intake plenum gaskets)
Lower Intake Gasket -- 12537197

Ken Spragg
11-10-2003, 01:11 PM
FYI, there is now a company who offers a replacement kit for this problem. Instead of replacing the entire manifolds (upper and lower) they manufacture a replacement EGR tube and a plastic adapter for the upper plenum.

With the moderators permission I will post the name of the company here.

MaddMaxx
11-13-2003, 04:21 PM
Ken, I would really love to know how to kit this repair kit since my 3.8 liter bonneville has just failed. Please send me an email or post if possible ASAP

MaddMaxx
11-13-2003, 04:24 PM
Ken, I guess I did not enable the email option, so please send a private message. I am suprised you are not allowed to post this valuable information on the foruum unless you are the seller, if you are I will buy from you.

wmcdermott
11-15-2003, 02:36 PM
Ken, I could use the company's info also. We are stationed in Germany and the mechanics cannot seem to find this part. Thank you

scott4751
12-29-2003, 12:31 PM
My 98 Bonneville 3800 is leaking coolant on to my garage floor. I took it to a dealer and he took the throttle body assy off and said it was the upper manifold ($500 +) and eventually lower manifold ($1,100) would need replaced. I have seen some of the pictures posted and they reference a soaked upper intake/damp. Mine is bone dry! The leak is actually between the upper and lower, where the gasket is. The antifreeze is running down the front right corner of the engine (if looking at the engine from the front of the car). Is this truly the problem described in the bulletin or is it a leaky gasket. Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance for you attention.

Flatrater
12-29-2003, 08:04 PM
Its just a leaky gasket you only need to replace the gasket. If the EGR opening is not melted I wouldn't reccomend replacing the intake.

scott4751
12-29-2003, 09:25 PM
Flatrater;

Thanks for the follow-up. I was hoping you would say that. I am not getting any Anti-Freeze in the oil and I am not getting any anti-freeze smell at the exhaust, or any additional moisture. I am getting a second look from a private shop on Wednesday morning. More than likely he will do the work, that is unless it is $800 +, then I'll do it myself. I used to do this type of work 15 years ago, of course my boss was a master mechanic and owner. I always got great advice from him and of course all the tools to do the job.

The Dealer Shop Manager told me, get this, that they average one of these repairs a day (what a crock)! If that's the case, they should put out a recall notice, not a technical bulletin.

How do I get a hold of a local GM Rep? Does anyone know?

Thanks again for the response.

Scott4751

thecommi
01-04-2004, 12:33 AM
The Motormite company has replacement aftermarket parts for the leaking intake manifolds, not sure on their website but you can search for it on google.

freddyboy
01-28-2004, 02:26 PM
Is the EGR area where the problem occurs? I have heard of coolant leaks into the cylinders and causing severe damage.
I am experiencing the smell of hot coolant in engine comparment, but no visible signs of leakage. Is this more likely a gasket leak than a manifold failure? Thanks.

freddyboy
01-28-2004, 09:26 PM
Does anybody know anything about an intake repair kit made by Ken-Co Industries? Saw it on bonnevilleattitude.com site, this might be same thing Ken was talking about.

Ken Spragg
01-29-2004, 06:09 AM
Many people have asked where they can buy the kit to repair the 3800 series 2 or "K" engine. I will post it here. Now, I cannot sell direct to consumers, I am just not set up to handle that here. However, if you email me at kspragg@bellnet.ca I should be able to put you in touch with someone who can get the kit to you same or next day. For more info on the kit itself you can view it at www.ken-co.com/manifold

Ken Spragg

tdellaringa
04-12-2004, 11:29 AM
Hi folks,

I have a 98' Lumina LTZ that I have been told to watch for this exact problem. I haven't had time to look yet and see. Is this something worth doing as a preventative measure? How much is the kit?

Can anyone vouch for it if you have used it? Looks good on the surface...

Tom

theBike45
04-28-2004, 02:49 AM
The Ken-Co repair kit can be ordered from a parts store contacted via gagparts@maine.rr.com or by calling Mike at (207) 493-3358.

Cal_in_Seattle
05-05-2004, 12:50 AM
You can buy NEW intake manifolds from a company that advertises on E-bay. You'll save a bundle over dealership cost.

But if your intake manifold started leaking coolant into the engine then it is a really bad thing. My 1998 Bonneville SE wore out a rod bearing shortly after the intake manifold leak. The engine only has 59,000 miles.

Gundy's Auto in Bellingham WA has inexpensive Bonneville engines. Bought mine for about $950 with shipping. Replacement motor only had 6,000 miles!

MRWSM
05-17-2004, 12:26 AM
Anyone have an opinion on putting on a cooler thermostat of about 180 degree. I did this to my 2000 Bonneville. My thinking is the slightly cooler temperature would put less stress on gaskets. I have done this to all my cars when I first get them, I think it helps, never had a gasket go on me.

mayo302
07-14-2009, 11:51 PM
The 180 degree thermostat is a really bad idea; it won't reduce stress on the intake. The intake melting is due to the EGR temperatures. Running your car with the 180F thermostat in there will cause it to run rich all the time; the car will dump more fuel into the mixture to try to warm up, increasing your emissions, decreasing the fuel economy, and potentially damaging your catalytic converter. Your heater will also have decreased performance in the winter.

Jrs3800
07-18-2009, 02:26 PM
First this post is older than dirt and we have all learned a lot in 5 years... As well there are better solutions for this problem..

I'd like to know how 15F makes such a huge difference? I have 4 GM 3800's all of them have a 180F thermostat.. On all of the cars I have 30-32 MPG has been easy to come by... I have done as much as 33 Mpg with the 180F thermostat with a Large Bonneville filled with people and luggage, all of this with the 3.06 Gear ratio... For me there was no difference at all with the 195 vs 180... That goes for all of the 3800's I have..

And why is it that certain GM engine come from the factory with a 180F thermostat...

If you were looking at a Sonata with a V6, a 180 Is stock, 170 is the alternate..

I have had no running issues, oil burning issues, no fouled plugs, no running rich...

If you had dropped from a 195 to a 160F yes that would be an issue unless you programmed for it..

mayo302
07-20-2009, 02:59 PM
I wasn't meaning to insult you for the idea, and I know it is an old thread. I just accidentally stumbled upon it as a result of a google search, and I wanted to make sure the information was as correct as possible in case someone who didn't know much about cars came across it.
Yes, 180F or even lower is stock for some vehicles; typically 190-200F is stock however. Are you going to drop 5+mpg by changing it by 15F? No. Will you lose some fuel economy and put more unburned hydrocarbons through your catalytic converter and out the exhaust? Yes. I'm sure it's worth a significant change; just because you got 33 mpg highway with a loaded down car doesn't mean you couldn't have gotten 35 mpg or higher. (we all know weight has little to do with highway fuel economy)
Going to 160F from 195F, as you said, will become significant even to someone who doesn't monitor their fuel economy closely.

With regard to the original post, however, there is almost no way running a colder thermostat will reduce the likelihood of the intake leak or reduce stress on the plastic components.

Jrs3800
07-20-2009, 05:45 PM
No insult at all..

I agree with you on certain points.. The reason for a 3800 having a 195F thermostat was for emissions purposes... The 1995 Series II 3800 V6 could actually be called a low emissions vehicle.... So I do agree that the lower temp will cause slightly more emissions, but again all 3800's are known to be very clean running engines..

The cooler thermostat can help to a certain degree, not enough to stop or change the EGR port in the upper intake from getting cooked.. 2 of the problems were that Nylon66 was only designed to withstand 500F, as well in the earlier designs the EGR Tube actually touched or almost touched the EGR Port wall which cooked the Nylon66 over time creating a rupture that most will see as a head gaskt problem when in fact its the upper intake rupturing allowing the engine to ingest coolant..

what we call APN or ineedparts( their new name ) has an upper intake that we like, the intake uses a stianless sleeve in the EGR port, as well the kit come with both reduced diameter stove pipes, it will fit the larger or smaller bore of the lower intake.. Older years had the larger bore and newer years had the smaller..

Along with that we also recommending replacing the lower intake gaskets with the GM aluminum gaskets... Both of these together will keep the 3800 going for a very long time to come..

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