of the japanese cars (ones available in the US) the ones really made for sports (the 2 seater turbocharged ones)
which would win?
off the line (0-60)
in the turns?

and for nostaligic reasons which is the generally the most comfortable and reasonbly priced (obvious not supra for $$$)

uhh

300zx and Supra are about as fast as each other and the 300zx is cheaper

3000GT vr4 handles the best or a Dodge Stealth TT

and the 3000gt TT is fast also.....those are all about comparable Japanese cars

how about a 3gen rx7?
or did you forget that?
the handling is sick, it has twin turbos, weighs nothing, has a motor that is the size of two breadboxes and can be picked up by one average guy...
try that with your 300zx or supra...
and i mean full assembled, not just a block

also...
the stock drivetrain on a rex can handle hundreds of hp, most of the drag rx7s are runnin stock rear ends, and mostly stock trannies...
that is pretty tough stuff...
and what won the g games in scc and all the import mags?
a mildly, and i mean mildly, modded rx7...

over two 600hp supras, and a wild cosworth escort...

i'll take a rex, thanks, even if it is prone to blow up on a hot day if it overheats... such is life...
then you buy a triple rotor... and kill everything in sight.

First thing i thought of when i heard the fastest Japanese import
was the NSX. Does that stand anywhere against the RX7
or any of that?

I mean, it's not as fast as a Corvette, but i've always thought of it
as a Japanese Ferrari.

Anyone care to set me straight?

Originally posted by MAD_C_ZN
First thing i thought of when i heard the fastest Japanese import
was the NSX. Does that stand anywhere against the RX7
or any of that?

I mean, it's not as fast as a Corvette, but i've always thought of it
as a Japanese Ferrari.

Anyone care to set me straight?

a lot of people would say the NSX is overpriced to go head to head with the rx-7, 3000gt, supra, and even the skyline (even though it's not available in the US). me being one of them. great car but it could do to lose a couple 10 g's. that or for $80,000 make it a V8 with at least 400hp. actually there have been speculation of the 2003 NSX with a 4.0L V8 with about 450hp. don't quote me on that one, it's what i've read.

The NSX will run with the 3000GT, Supra, 300Z and RX-7 after the cars are moving and even outrun some of them. The other cars have more torque and (especially the AWD VR4) rocket past it off the line.

I've heard the same thing about the 03-04 NSX and hope they do it. It'd be nice to see an exotic looking car have exotic performance.

i'd probably have to go with flylwsi on this one and say a 3rd gen. rx7...he pretty much covered all the reasons, plus they look better than all the rest IMO

in the japanese Best Motoring video series in Japan. the RX-7 was the 3 year king of all japanese imports. then the skyline or the Evo would come in second or third, followed by the NSX. but since we're talkin about cars in the U.S. a RX-7 it is still. its one of the most balanced cars, and weights almost nothing, and its just damn gorgious.

is the RX7 reliable at all?

Originally posted by JBL85
is the RX7 reliable at all?

i've read that rotary engines in general have had some reliability issues in the past. my buddy's 91 rx-7 ran into some problems with the engine and spent a lot of money fixin it.

well......on top of the twin turbo's and rotary...thats just asking for it.....how many cylinders are in teh motor?

there are no cylinders in a Wankel (rotary) engine. in the RX7 there are 2 rotors. you can see a very simple animation of it here (http://www.monito.com/wankel/j-wankel.html)

Originally posted by hakka
there are no cylinders in a Wankel (rotary) engine. in the RX7 there are 2 rotors. you can see a very simple animation of it here (http://www.monito.com/wankel/j-wankel.html)

I wonder why the car was listed as a 4 cylinder engine.

where does it say that?:confused: wankels don't have any pistons

I'm not argueing that they have pistons, I just remember seeing the RX-7 mentioned as a 4 cylinder car. I dont rember off the top of my head where I read that though. And, I dont doubt that they could be wrong.

i agree with you yogs.....i thought it was like 6 cylinders even....airplanes have cylinders too.....like 12 i think

airplanes are now turbine motors...
not cyl...
there used to be hugeace v16 motors, or there were piston motors that were round, not unlike a rotary from how it looks, but still piston motors...

here (http://vintagecars.about.com/library/weekly/aa101897.htm?iam=howstuffworks_SKD&terms=wankel) is an article from howstuffworks.com. its pretty interesting:)

thats such a insult to the wenkel engine. i mean the damn rx-7 motor is only 1.3 liters~!!! thats tiny~!! smaller then most 4 cylinders. yet it can still produce that much horsepower~!! if you pop open the hood of a RX-7. the engine is around tdhe size of a motor cycles. and to someone who don't kno wmuch about cars they would think its just running on one giant piston. lolz.

Thats insane....i guess if they were more reliable they would be a better engine to use =)

Originally posted by Mylacc
of the japanese cars (ones available in the US) the ones really made for sports (the 2 seater turbocharged ones)
which would win?
off the line (0-60)
in the turns?

and for nostaligic reasons which is the generally the most comfortable and reasonbly priced (obvious not supra for $$$)

Straightline speed.

RX-7
Supra
300Z

Handling wise.

RX-7
300Z
Supra

Comfortable?

You are looking at the wrong segment for comfort

Price?

Again wrong segment for cost cutting.

Originally posted by MAD_C_ZN
First thing i thought of when i heard the fastest Japanese import
was the NSX. Does that stand anywhere against the RX7
or any of that?

I mean, it's not as fast as a Corvette, but i've always thought of it
as a Japanese Ferrari.

Anyone care to set me straight?

NSX is on top of both Straightline speed and Handling. However it also cost a lot more than the competitors. When it first came out it was known as alternative to Ferrari. You can find clips of NSX Type S Zero beating up on Skyline GT-R Spec V and F355 etc.

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/nissan_gtr_vspec-nsx_type_s.mpg

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/ferrari_355-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/bmw_m3_eurospec-nsx_type_s.mpg

Originally posted by del


a lot of people would say the NSX is overpriced to go head to head with the rx-7, 3000gt, supra, and even the skyline (even though it's not available in the US). me being one of them. great car but it could do to lose a couple 10 g's. that or for $80,000 make it a V8 with at least 400hp. actually there have been speculation of the 2003 NSX with a 4.0L V8 with about 450hp. don't quote me on that one, it's what i've read.

Some people never see past price. Although it's a big factor but should not be the only factor when comparing cars.

Mid engine and Front engine setup are two different leagues. Mid engine is better design than Front engine for many reasons. However it also increase the production quite a bit.

Also another factor people never look at is NSX is made of aluminum. Mostly only exotic cars uses this type of material. It's hell more expensive but the results are well worth it. Same reason why Ferrari is using aluminum for the whole car and chassis etc.

I'll show you a simple example.

-Both mid engine
-Both 2 seater
-Both made only of aluminum
-Both rear wheel drive
-Both exotic worthy because of all the gagets on it

NSX 290hp 90K
F360 400hp 170K

You don't see people calling F360 overpriced! IMO people only call it overpriced because they can't afford it. To those Ferrari owners 170K is probaly like spare change to them. Same thing applies to NSX owners.

that NSX didn't honestly beat the ferrari. it was becasue that guy mis shifted. hes not use to drivin on the left hand side, that is why he said "jo tou" "jo tou" which means, "wait wait" while lookin down at the shifter. its harder then you think it is esp when yoru use to racin when shifting towards you when now all of the sudden you have to shift away from you. plus big deal the NSX beat the R33, it was a pretty damn close race. and the R33 pretty much destroyed the supra by a whole second. see that i would consider beating, the NSX beat the R33 by like .2 secs. thats just barely winning. now if that NSX S zero were to race against a faster R34 V-spec II. the results would be different.

Originally posted by TatII
that NSX didn't honestly beat the ferrari. it was becasue that guy mis shifted. hes not use to drivin on the left hand side, that is why he said "jo tou" "jo tou" which means, "wait wait" while lookin down at the shifter. its harder then you think it is esp when yoru use to racin when shifting towards you when now all of the sudden you have to shift away from you. plus big deal the NSX beat the R33, it was a pretty damn close race. and the R33 pretty much destroyed the supra by a whole second. see that i would consider beating, the NSX beat the R33 by like .2 secs. thats just barely winning. now if that NSX S zero were to race against a faster R34 V-spec II. the results would be different.

He is a Japanese person. How can you not get used to driving on the left hand side? If he was American that might have been a different story. Stock wise NSX Type S Zero is faster than R34 as well. When slightly modded F/I application will fly.

either way, he could've mis shifted...
also, the nsx you mention is not one that we can get over here, so if you base it on AMERICAN versions of jdm cars, the nsx isnt all that amazing, unless you go with the zanardi edition that weighed less with a stiff as hell susp on it with those big beautiful black rims..

i would take that nsx only, or an rx7 with the same rims...

that is exactly why he misshifted. csuae he was drivin on the left hand side. or did you forget that the japanese drives on the right hand side? like the british does?

Originally posted by flylwsi
either way, he could've mis shifted...
also, the nsx you mention is not one that we can get over here, so if you base it on AMERICAN versions of jdm cars, the nsx isnt all that amazing, unless you go with the zanardi edition that weighed less with a stiff as hell susp on it with those big beautiful black rims..

i would take that nsx only, or an rx7 with the same rims...

NSX is still superior to other JDM Supercars. If Mazda had brought over RX-7 Type RZ etc it would have been different.

Originally posted by TatII
that is exactly why he misshifted. csuae he was drivin on the left hand side. or did you forget that the japanese drives on the right hand side? like the british does?

If he had mis-shifted you can hear the mistake from the engine. However there was no sound of that mistake.

so, i guess, for right now, for the power to original price, i would still take an rx7...
but i guess it all comes down the to the specifics...

are we talkin best regardless of dollars, or does that play in?

and i dont know why, but the rx7 looks so much more muscular and ready to be thrown in a curve or down a straight... the nsx looks boulevard cruiser...

personal opinion though, either way, i have encountered both, and they tend to be driven by women who dont know what they have or fat old men who got too much money... except for the nsx on 18s that rolled up on me... that looked sick...
if i was going on stock appearance, i would go supra tt

price/hp i would go rx7

for individuality, i would take the nsx

for overall fun and highest power/weight, the rx7 gets it...

hope that explains me

Just refering to that NSX vs GTR...if the GTR actually launched, it would have beaten the NSX...i wont go off in a tangent to comparing those 3 other cars.......RX7 300zx and Supra

If i have read correctly also I think the Supra is the faster of the 3

and TATII, its not worth arguing with F20c, i already got flamed for it, just incase you care

Originally posted by JBL85
Just refering to that NSX vs GTR...if the GTR actually launched, it would have beaten the NSX...i wont go off in a tangent to comparing those 3 other cars.......RX7 300zx and Supra

If i have read correctly also I think the Supra is the faster of the 3

and TATII, its not worth arguing with F20c, i already got flamed for it, just incase you care

You got flamed because you think Drag meant all to the car's ability. I was merely stating Track was a better judgement to a car's true ability. Track actually require good combination of speed, handling and driver skill.

OH boy, i am not asking for you response again, I enjoy this form and would rather not have to see yoru response, but in alternate, I will just avoid reading your posts in teh future

and for others reading this......

notice the new guy gets to drive the car....like in the porshe race......i could so smoke a nsx....i mean that guy cant drive for beans in the porshe...

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/porsche_911-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg

Originally posted by JBL85
OH boy, i am not asking for you response again, I enjoy this form and would rather not have to see yoru response, but in alternate, I will just avoid reading your posts in teh future

and for others reading this......

notice the new guy gets to drive the car....like in the porshe race......i could so smoke a nsx....i mean that guy cant drive for beans in the porshe...

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/multimedia/porsche_911-nsx_type_s_zero.mpg

You said I dislike Drag because Honda cars have no torque. All your reasons just tells me you been watching too much fast and furious.

hey hey hey~ now why do we all have to get mad here? well i don't really have much say in this, but seein arguements in any forums is one that i don't enjoy seeing. either way i'm keepin out of this.:(

Yes me too... =) ignorance is bliss right

Originally posted by TatII
hey hey hey~ now why do we all have to get mad here? well i don't really have much say in this, but seein arguements in any forums is one that i don't enjoy seeing. either way i'm keepin out of this.:(

Why should I get mad over someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. However you should check out what JBL said in Spec V vs C Coupe and the Maxima vs Integra thread.

Originally posted by JBL85
Yes me too... =) ignorance is bliss right

That would serve you right. Since you believe so much in DRAG means all to car's ability. Anyways until you make a educational comment regarding what you said about B18C I would be on your ass.

Originally posted by JBL85
OH boy, i am not asking for you response again, I enjoy this form and would rather not have to see yoru response, but in alternate, I will just avoid reading your posts in teh futureIf you really feel this way, please feel free to add anyone you like to your Ignore List (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore).

In stock configuration the NSX is a good car no doubt about it, but you can not compare a modded one or any other Japanese super car against the GTR. The only that would come close is the Supra. I am talking all out moddified to the moon.

The Vailside R32 GTR can go from 0 -300kms (186mph) in 13.7 sec. I would like to see another jap car do that. Now we are talking about a car only producing around the 1,000 hp mark. Vailsides R34 which produces over 1,300 hp did it in 10.8 sec, which is quicker than the Meclearen F1.

The rotory is unreliable as hell. They blow seals all the time. There are some damn quick ones out there but none in the 7 sec bracket. Recently HKS has begun a new project drag car. It will utilize the Supra body with the V8 out of the infinity which will be twin turbo charged. Their goal will be the 6's. HKS put an R34 GTR into the low 7's on 9"wide slicks. The new Supra will use 13" wide slicks and rumour is it will have a spooled diff.

Oh and for the record MotoRex imports the R32, 33, and 34 Skylines into the States. They are the only ones who can bring them in and reg them. They have also been doing it for over a year.

http://www.motorex.com

THANX JAY FOR THAT TIP, I will surely be appreciating it in the future.

THAT IS insane times for a skyline, i would sure soil my pants going that fast in 10 seconds.

I know. I have a vid of the R32 Veilside GTR making that 13.7 sec run! It is awesome. I can't find the one I had the the White Vailside R34 making their run.

I also have incar footage of the HKS R34 Drag car making a 7.8 sec pass. Man that is just wicked!

I don´t know but if you ask me german I´ll go with the Opel Speedster:D :cool: :D :eek: :eek:

i have one question that i'm always curious about. exactly how long is 300KM? like in miles? and how long does it take a unmodded GT-R to do it? or even a unmodded integra GSR for a reality check. thanks:smoka:

Originally posted by TatII
i have one question that i'm always curious about. exactly how long is 300KM? like in miles? and how long does it take a unmodded GT-R to do it? or even a unmodded integra GSR for a reality check. thanks:smoka:

300KM is 300 Kilometers. There is 1.6 KM to 1 mile. Most cars would not be able to reach that speed.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
Oh and for the record MotoRex imports the R32, 33, and 34 Skylines into the States. They are the only ones who can bring them in and reg them. They have also been doing it for over a year.

http://www.motorex.com

Actually there is atleast 1 other company that imports cars in to N/A. I can not remember the name off hand but they do tend to charge about $10,000 then the same car through MotoRex.

I have the 7 second RX7 and 9 Second Skyline.....can I post them on here?

the only 4 imports that i see that can do 7's are the supra, the rx-7, and the skyline. i think they nsx can do it too. dont know the exact names of hte cars but yes those are the 7 seconds league.

Originally posted by flylwsi
so, i guess, for right now, for the power to original price, i would still take an rx7...
but i guess it all comes down the to the specifics...

are we talkin best regardless of dollars, or does that play in?

and i dont know why, but the rx7 looks so much more muscular and ready to be thrown in a curve or down a straight... the nsx looks boulevard cruiser...

personal opinion though, either way, i have encountered both, and they tend to be driven by women who dont know what they have or fat old men who got too much money... except for the nsx on 18s that rolled up on me... that looked sick...
if i was going on stock appearance, i would go supra tt

price/hp i would go rx7

for individuality, i would take the nsx

for overall fun and highest power/weight, the rx7 gets it...

hope that explains me
price/hp rx7...if you don't count engine rebuilds, blown seals, hoses,very rare parts, and high maintenance costs as part of the price then I guess I could agree!! :) IF you want reliability and you have to a Turbo car go with the supra...it will be the most bullet proof.

As far as rareity, the 3rd gen Rx-7 is a very rare car. The numbers of them that came over to the US is about the same as the NSX. Stock for Stock in US trim the RX-7 is gonna be the overall fastest car.

I think the 2 top Japanese cars today are the Supra and Skyline.
The Supra's engine can handle more power on stock internals then the Skyline (over 1000hp) but the AWD system of the Skyline is incredible!

RX-7 is too problematic for me.
300ZX TT doesn't have the potential that the Supra/Skyline have.

even though the 300zx car is my all time favorite over any car ever made, I still agree wtih you on that

i beg to differ Blackbird. i have never seen a Supra that has over 1000hp besides the one that JUN tuned for that speed run. i see alot of skylines with 1000+ even some with 1600hp sooo i think the RB26DETT is more durable then the 2JZGTE

I have seen more then the jun, but I agree, I have see many tuned skylines and i have always read in magazines that it is the most easily tunable car