roadrunner

u can't have a Plymouth forum without a the greatest muscle car of them all the roadrunner (i only consider 68-70 roadrunners real roadrunners the rest don't have that stripped down raw power feel)

I consider the Road Runner one of the purest muscle cars ever. Of course, the option laden later year Road Runners were nothing liked the stripped down '68s. But any car with minimal luxury features and an all performance engine (383) is a true muscle car to me.

I love the look of the early 70's, '71 to '73 I think. I just think they look a bit better than the earlier versions.

A 426 in any MOPAR will give it a "stripped down raw power feel", too bad they are quite expensive... A problem with all classic MOPARS unfourtunatly......

I love that from the beginning through 1971, you could order a Road Runner with the Hemi. Talk about budget performance.

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\ / i restored her myself no hemi but still plentiful power i restored for a customer it was nice :smile:

Gremlin, that's a beautiful machine you got there. I like the Road Runners better before they changed the body style, I guess it was i 1970... I love GM, but Mopar made some awesome vehicles.

ty ty yes agree i looooove mopars prolly beacuse my grandpa restored a 57dodge d100 and gav it me for my 1st hotrod (blown 360:iceslolan)he wants to keep it in the family so i will but after tinkering with that thing i learned to looooove yes, thats right loooove mopars
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HEMIs are great but id much rather have a 440+6 .

True, the 440+6 were a lot easier to handle on the street and for 99% of people are the better choice. Of course, the Hemi's are a lot more valuable.

and more HP

Nothing beats a Hemi.

ok listen guys... a hemi was not that great... there were alot of motors with 425 or more.... 427, LS-6 454, 409... you ppl talking up this hemi and saying nothing can beat it need to wake up, all these engines i've listed above have at least 425... i'd look into something other than MOPAR like anything

The Hemi at 425 horsepower was extremely under-rated. Of course, so were a lot of other engines in the '60's. Yet, almost all accounts of the era say that the Hemi was king.

well the hemi was all Plymouth and Dodge had going for them... the 440+6 was ok it had a nice 390 horse, but to say the Hemi was king....give me a GSX or a GS. (or my Wildcat :) ) not that i think i can beat one with the ole Cat, but i'd like to see how i do. ;)

ok listen guys... a hemi was not that great... there were alot of motors with 425 or more.... 427, LS-6 454, 409... you ppl talking up this hemi and saying nothing can beat it need to wake up, all these engines i've listed above have at least 425... i'd look into something other than MOPAR like anything

The Hemi cuda had 500 HP to the wheels. And mopars weren't famous for there HP, they are famous for torque, and they were all underrated.

well the hemi was all Plymouth and Dodge had going for them... the 440+6 was ok it had a nice 390 horse, but to say the Hemi was king....give me a GSX or a GS. (or my Wildcat :) ) not that i think i can beat one with the ole Cat, but i'd like to see how i do. ;)


lol give me a 68' S/S HEMI Barracuda. 10.5 (or 10.3 depending on source) in the 1/4. HEMI is KING

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

BTW on that link I gave, the 69' road runner with the 440 6 pack does 12.91 in the 1/4. Buick GS does 13.38. Thats a HUGE difference. Several car lengths.

Your wildcat would be a football field behind ANY HEMI car at the end of 1320 feet.

i downloaded a race between a hemi cuda and a chevelle SS 454... the chevelle ate that "500 hp as you say" cuda up. hemi is king?

i downloaded a race between a hemi cuda and a chevelle SS 454... the chevelle ate that "500 hp as you say" cuda up. hemi is king?

Could have been driver error. Did they launch equally?
Were they both completely stock?
What were the times?

BTW on that link I gave, the 69' road runner with the 440 6 pack does 12.91 in the 1/4. Buick GS does 13.38. Thats a HUGE difference. Several car lengths.

Your wildcat would be a football field behind ANY HEMI car at the end of 1320 feet.

ok the roadrunner has a 440+6 <----- the GS just has and old 4 right...? stick a regular 4 on that bird thn race the GS with just a 440, a roadrunner with a 440+6 beating a regular GS doesn't impress me any and if you read right i didn't say the cat could beat it jackass.

ok the roadrunner has a 440+6 <----- the GS just has and old 4 right...? stick a regular 4 on that bird thn race the GS with just a 440, a roadrunner with a 440+6 beating a regular GS doesn't impress me any and if you read right i didn't say the cat could beat it jackass.

OK you don't have to resort to namecalling.
Anyway, the 6 pack doesn't make enough difference to equal 4 tenths in the 1/4. It's only 15 HP more for peet sake.

the 440+6 was ok it had a nice 390 horse, but to say the Hemi was king....give me a GSX or a GS.

You don't think that statement means that a GSX or GS could beat a 440+6? What were you thinking when you wrote it? ''well a GSX or GS stage 1 won't beat it but I'll just say it anyway''? Give me a break, you were clearly thinking that a GSX or GS is faster and I proved you wrong so just admit it buddy. HAH 4 tenths faster too! Thats several car lengths faster, and guess what the HEMI is much faster than the 6 pack 440 so where does that leave the GSX or GS now? In the dust.

Face it, each brand has it's magic 500hp killing machine engines. Chev had it's huge 427s and 454s which ruled the drag strips all over the country. Ford's mighty 427 side oiler, cammer, and high risers went on to great success in their respective uses; circuit racing and drag racing, and NASCAR was never the same after the hemi roadrunners stormed into the field, complete with huge aerokit. it was enough to have them banned. But I guess the hemi is more popular as the fave of muscle car fans because, well, the design is still used today, albeit in billet supercharged form, Top Doorslammers still use the 40 year old Hemi design in their engines. So how bout we all agree to disagree?

So if you want to argue about the SS 454 being faster now, here is a link for you:
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml

Now of course it's only .02 faster, but the cuda also only had 3.54 gears. Stick some 4:10's like it's supposed to have and it will be closer to 12's, if not in the 12's. As you can see the 440+6 is 2 tenths faster cuz it has 4:10's.

So there, proved you wrong twice. Have anything else to add so I can do it again? Or will you finally admit to being wrong?

and i never said the 440+6 was faster than the Hemi....it doesn't matter what we say your a mopar man and i'm a Buick man... neither one of us is going to admit to anything... and just because a site says something does NOT make it true anyone can make a site and say oh this car had 700 hp right out of the factory, no matter what sits we tell each other to go to or what we already know neiher one of us is going to say we're wrong and instead of proving me wrong you're making excuses on the cars you're talking about, the gears... the carburators... whatever mopar needed their hemis and 6 packs so they can make their trip down the strip and feel good that they barely beat the other car... but a win is a win. I've been to musclcarclub.com and have sen he cuda and chevelles and all that stuff and like i said... words don't win races...

Those 1/4 numbers are from official sources like Car and Driver, Motortrend, ETC. It wasn't just some guy posting numbers of what they thought was faster.
LOL I wasn't making excuses, I was just giving the reason the HEMI cuda was slower than the 440+6. But hey, it doesn't matter because they both were a lot faster than the Buick! LOL :eek: :loser:

Oh yeah they were both faster than the Chevelle SS 454 too. LMAO

hmm ok and the Camaro with the 427? anything to say about that one...?

how about the 427 Nova... the chevelle? all 1/4 times under 13.3 here went the cuda eh..? oh and the roadrunner, and the GTX, and the charger for that matter, umm anymore that you would like to try...?

hmm ok and the Camaro with the 427? anything to say about that one...?

There was not 427 put in the camaro from the factory

how about the 427 Nova... the chevelle? all 1/4 times under 13.3 here went the cuda eh..? oh and the roadrunner, and the GTX, and the charger for that matter, umm anymore that you would like to try...?

I've never heard of a 427 Nova, a 396 I've heard of. Umm, the 454 chevelle was obviously faster than the 427, and the Hemi cuda and the 440+6 cuda beats it.
The Cuda 440+6 goes 12.91, you haven't given anything to beat that. Or atleast no proof, give me a link for proof!

and the fairlane with a 427...? 11 seconds... oh and the BUICK grand national (a six cylinder) 1/4 in 13.43.... ok now i wanna ask a serious question... i'm done with the argueing... what does the S/S stand for when you said S/S cuda...? really all crap aside i've never heard of it before...

hmm ok and the Camaro with the 427? anything to say about that one...?

Hmm what happened to Buick? LMAO :grinno:
Had to resort to chevy I see, but thats OK cuz the 427 wasn't even put in the camaros by chevy anyway. :loser:
How about factory cars?

and the fairlane with a 427...? 11 seconds... oh and the BUICK grand national (a six cylinder) 1/4 in 13.43.... ok now i wanna ask a serious question... i'm done with the argueing... what does the S/S stand for when you said S/S cuda...? really all crap aside i've never heard of it before...

Where is your proof of these numbers?

The S/S stands for Super Stock, in 68' Mopar made Cudas and Darts with a HEMI. Is wasn't street legal cuz it came with slicks and plexiglass windshield. But hey all you needed to do was put in a windshield from a stock cuda, and a set of drag radials and it will still be it the 10's.

the 454 chevelle was not faster than the 427... 454 13.7, 427 13.3 and a Yenko Nova had a 427 in it.... i said i was done...

the 454 chevelle was not faster than the 427... 454 13.7, 427 13.3 and a Yenko Nova had a 427 in it.... i said i was done...

OK well 13.3 still doesn't beat the cuda. And the 427 Nova wasn't a factory chevy car. Yeah your done cuz you can't find proof. Maybe cuz it doesn't exist? LOL
I will admit if I am wrong, if you give me real proof.

geez this is like chatting... I SAID I WAS DONE geez searching the net for these 1/4 times is gonna stop! if you want the proof... go to musclecarclub and look for it... 69 camaro 69 chevelle not sure what the nova was... and the GN was a factory car as factory as your HEMI cars were and i stopped with the Buick cars and moved on because heres not many of em :\ now can't we all just get along... : P now tell me sites to go to so i can see things about your cars and i tell you sites to go to so you can about mine... ,uch easier and this is NOT a way to tell each other how much better my or your cars are from each other it's just a way to see different things... ok?

proof: www.muclecarclub.com/musclecars/buick-grandnational/buick-grandnational.com

same for the fairlane, nova, camaro, chevelle, everything.

now for the other stuff that i said i wanted to do... www.buickstreet.com

http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/saab/307/1969.html
look around at both of these

And you were trying to tell me my sources were bad? You are saying go to musclecarclub and download videos, but they could have driver error like bad luanching or missed shifts etc.
My sources are legit testing that magazines did with pro drivers. Here's another link for you:
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

What are you trying to prove with the GN? It's not as fast! 13.3 isn't as fast as 12.91 OK?

proof: www.muclecarclub.com/musclecars/buick-grandnational/buick-grandnational.com

same for the fairlane, nova, camaro, chevelle, everything.

now for the other stuff that i said i wanted to do... www.buickstreet.com

http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/saab/307/1969.html
look around at both of these

OK the first link is bogus- doesn't work
not sure what you want me to look at in the second link
Whats the big deal with the third link? 360 HP oooo and 475 ft/lbs big deal.

There was not 427 put in the camaro from the factory
The 427 Camaro (COPO Camaro) had factory install engines. The 427 Novas were dealer installed.

And yes, the times are one driver, one car, one time. I would always say that numbers are a good approximation, but definitely not absolute.

The 427 Camaro (COPO Camaro) had factory install engines. The 427 Novas were dealer installed.


Oh OK.
This link shows that is goes 12.76 in the 1/4 with the ZL1 427 right? Even though the ZL1 was all aluminum, it was an extreme advantage. But I will admit is was faster than all street legal mopars, except 1-
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

Take a look at the 63' Dodge Ramcharger. 12 flat, now thats a woopin.

Well I guess 69wildcat doesn't feel like fixing the link to prove me wrong. Maybe cuz the link doesn't exist? LOL :rofl:

i gave you the links and said i was done... and if you read correctly i said thsi is NOT to prove whos car is better, i was just showing you something... and i hate people likeyou that have nothing of their own so they find a fast car on the net and talk it up like they have it, you make fun of my car output... th hell with you your approval doesn't mean anything to me, and i didn't ask for it or want it to begin with, i was just showing you a site that had my car and thought you might like to just take a look is all, and i wand to see more sites about your stuff you were talking about... but you go again and make his about the better cars and that's was not my goal. and i did not say i downloaded a video off of musclecarclub.com, i said i downloaded one and it was off of Kazaa. everything i told you existed it's not like i sat here and made this stuff up. so ther you go and talk to ya later :thefinger

i gave you the links and said i was done... and if you read correctly i said thsi is NOT to prove whos car is better, i was just showing you something... and i hate people likeyou that have nothing of their own so they find a fast car on the net and talk it up like they have it, you make fun of my car output... th hell with you your approval doesn't mean anything to me, and i didn't ask for it or want it to begin with, i was just showing you a site that had my car and thought you might like to just take a look is all, and i wand to see more sites about your stuff you were talking about... but you go again and make his about the better cars and that's was not my goal. and i did not say i downloaded a video off of musclecarclub.com, i said i downloaded one and it was off of Kazaa. everything i told you existed it's not like i sat here and made this stuff up. so ther you go and talk to ya later :thefinger

OMG I said your link does not work, your so called proof. I saw the link of your car.

LOL, nothing of my own? Check out the 3 vehicles in my sig jackass :loser:
375 HP in an A-body is pretty fast, especially with a high stall converter, posi, and 3:91 gears it will eat your wildcat up and spit it out buddy :nono:
And with 150 less cubic inches too LOL :rofl:

Let's keep it civil here. Like I said, arguing about different cars tested by different drivers under different conditions is pretty pointless. All performance measurements are approximations, not absolutes.

i couldn't agree more, but i was just adding my final arguements... of course i'm still typing and i said i was done like 6 replies ago... :\

and as for you pwman... i told you when i posted it that it was NOT to tell whos car is better you dipshit... my car was like that the way it came out you idiot not with all the work you had to put into your car. as i told you before i didn't want your approval and still don't.. i don't like mopars... you don' like buick or any other GM, nothing we say to each other is going to hange that. :flipa: so if you don't mind until we line up and you beat me... you don't know what my cat'll do so don't tell me what my car is capable of... like i said earlier, words don't win races... :thefinger:

and you have 3 cars and one has 375 :gives:

i couldn't agree more


LOL, so you couldn't agree more to keep it civil, yet you say all that crap in the next post. wow

As a matter of fact I like just about everything, be it GM, MOPAR, FORD, even some Honda's. So once again you are WRONG :rofl:

BTW I'm still waiting for you to fix the link to your so called proof.

and you have 3 cars and one has 375 :gives:

What does that have to do with anything?
My truck will have 350 HP, when I finish building the engine. I wasn't even building it for HP, I'm going for torque. I may even build a stroker out of it, a 408 CID instead of 365.

my car was like that the way it came out you idiot not with all the work you had to put into your car.


The whole reason I bought the car was to make a slow car fast. The adventure of restoring a car better than it was originally.

If I see any more flaming this thread will be over.

now can we now have a civilized conversation without you going into your homo raid of how you think your car is better... and i was with you up until you said you like some hondas... :\ oh and by the way do you know of a 67 merc Cyclone for sale or just sitting around anywhere...? just wondering looking into one of those and since you have alot of links maybe you can give me one with specs about the car...? and about the link i posted just go to musclecarclub and click grand national... or any of the other cars i talked about.. i got all the stuff from there :)

(see smiley face, being nice now)



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Hey Honda's aren't bad for day to day transportation. But as far as modding them, yeah forget it.

What do you want to know specifically about the cyclone? I don't have any links of that off hand, but I'll do a search since you seem too lazy or computer illiterate to do. :thefinger

i wasn't saying i'm too lazy to do so... geez :) smile=nice now, god dude back off... and i just don't like import cars... i mean if you want gas mileage go for them but power... :\ and about a cyclone i said you seem to have alot of links since you threw alot at me and i was just wondering if maybe you had come across a cyclone... and i was asking if you had ever had any experience with them.. I am asking for your thoughts this time. on performance.

LOL, so you couldn't agree more to keep it civil, yet you say all that crap in the next post. wow



and i was not agreeing to keep it civil i was agreeing that argueing about car tests was pointless....

sorry old post was bugging me had to say it... :\ err carry on

i wasn't saying i'm too lazy to do so... geez :) smile=nice now, god dude back off... and i just don't like import cars... i mean if you want gas mileage go for them but power... :\ and about a cyclone i said you seem to have alot of links since you threw alot at me and i was just wondering if maybe you had come across a cyclone... and i was asking if you had ever had any experience with them.. I am asking for your thoughts this time. on performance.

LOL, I was just messin with ya.
Anyway, couldn't find much on the 67'. But the 68 GT cyclone was pretty quick, with the 428 CID rated at 335 HP yet is faster than the 396 Nova rated at 375. So apparently it was way underrated as the Nova is a compact car and the cyclone is full size.

ok i was also wondering if you know anything about the weight of the car...? of how bout the weight of a Buick riv somewhere around 67,68,69 the time where they got the 430 cid engine. mainly about the riv bcause on mcc they state 1/4 et's for the riv but not for my car... so if i knew the weight of a riv i could get a better idea of what mine could do... and for the cyclone (i think it looks just like a fairlane but with a way sweter name!) me too i couldn't find much for the 67 either that's why i asked if you had anything... i'm not sure what a 68 looks like...? i think it's like the torino but i'm not sure.but anyways thanx for the info and if you find anything else let me know :)

by the way my car weighs 3919... is that heavy..? lol considering the GTX weighed like 4500 well my friends does anyway, not sure what other cars weigh so don't think i'm picking on the MOPAR because i used it, it's just the one i know weighs that much. :) lol i know how you are we'll start all over again lol

u can't have a Plymouth forum without a the greatest muscle car of them all the roadrunner (i only consider 68-70 roadrunners real roadrunners the rest don't have that stripped down raw power feel)

That's why I bought one. :smokin: