How are people's stances on the reefer? Do you smoke the wacky tabacky, and think it should be legalized? Do you not prefer it, but still think it should be legalized? Or are you completley against it and think any minor offender should be thrown into a cell?

I fall in the first. Ill tell you why..

I go to college. Weed and alcohol are in abundance. I did some of both. Heres what i found.

Alcohol: get drunk, lose inhibitions, get stupid, hurt thyself, puke, wake up next morning sick as a dog with the worst hangover, clean up mess left by other drinkers. Maybe get alcohol poisioning and go to the hospital.

Grass: Smoke up, get giggly for a bit, then relax. Still have total control over all motor skills. No puking, no hangover, the next day im good as new, as if i handn't even smoked. And there's no such thing as THC poisoning.

When I first tried it i felt scared and guilty, but I realized this was only because of the anti-marijuana propaganda was working in my head. As soon as i realized that its better than alcohol, i dropped the drinking and preferred smoking.

Not to say im a totall dope head, its only on occasion that i smoke. But put a bottle of Jack in front of me, or a freshly rolles spliff, you know what I'm gonna choose.

Now I want to hear YOUR thoughts on this plant. Do you, or not? Why or why not? Please no flames, theres no need. I honestly want to know why people think its soooo bad and evil when, at least in my opinion, its a much safer than the age old alcohol? I bring this thread up at this risk of my own reputation becasue i really want to know.

Discuss.:smile:

I look at it as hey, if someone wants to smoke it, who cares? Let em, it's their business, not mine, nor anyone elses. Though I do believe that selling it should be punished, just not a lot of time in the slammer. At times Ive wondered what it would be like if marijuana were legal, because if it were legal, would we have dealers of it in jail for selling their friend a dime bag? nope. It would be the same as tobacco, an age limit that is carded.

Im definetly pro-MJ. So much better the alcohol, you'll agree if you've tried it.

How do you like these BS anti commercials on TV now. The one with the kids playing with the gun-YEAH OK, its doesnt fuckin alter you like that, well maybe some White Widow on a first timer, but I doubt it.

How about the one where the guy killed his little brother because he was driving under the influence of MJ. Yeah, they didn't tell you he had three 40oz before the the J.

Or the one where the girl passes out and the guy starts feeling her up. I think that the date rape drug, not MJ.

Legal, maybe in 20 years when the younger generation is in power. There not just gonna give in and make it legal, admitting to defeat after billions spent on battling it.

"Home of the free" yeah fucking right. Legal almost everywhere, maybe not legal, but your not going to prison for 3oz anywhere but here. And how about our health care system? Greatest country in the world and look what a fucking joke that is.

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Haven't done it regularly or recently, but next week is another matter ;)

Definately pro. Will be legalized as soon as the goernments that be find a way to tax the f*ck out of it.

girl falls asleep and guy feels her up?! LOL!! yeah, it makes you sleepy, but not go unconsious. Jeez. And if the guy was smokin, he was prolly too high to care. I know that when im high, i can't think aobut sex for more than aobut 5 seconds before i see something else interesting... like a table.. and start thinking aobut that.

Man, even if they taxed the hell out of it, imagine... 10 bux for an eighth, of gov't stuff, so you know its potent. hell yeah.

I heard that marlboro even has patents to mary-j cig's in a box for when it gets legalized.:bigthumb:

I don't care for. I don't care whether it ever gets legalized or not. I'm all ready too far off in the distance - I spent half an hour thinking about what'd happen if somebody made a sponge big enough to absorb the entire universe, so they could control it... then I fell asleep behind a chair in the living room.
I think it also has a detrimental effect on one's personality. People say that it doesn't change you, but they're wrong. I won't do it. But if somebody else does it, and it doesn't affect me, I don't care let them do it.

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
I don't care for. I don't care whether it ever gets legalized or not. I'm all ready too far off in the distance - I spent half an hour thinking about what'd happen if somebody made a sponge big enough to absorb the entire universe, so they could control it... then I fell asleep behind a chair in the living room.

:bigthumb: :icon16: :cwm27:
:lol2::lol2::lol2:

Priceless.

i agree with the yugo master....i personally don't do it...i prefer to have fun other ways....adrenalin rushes during autox couses....the relaxation of readin a book or watching a movie etc.....but to each his own....i think its a personal decision.....


i also agree with him that even though its a weak drug it will affect you in the long term....any drug will....even over the counter sleeping pills will affect you in the long term so you should be very careful using it

I don't smoke anything and I do not get drunk either. Oh, I'll have a couple bottles beer from time to time, but I just don't want to lose self control via mind altering drugs.

I do not care if marijuana were legalized. I would just like to see the same rules on it as alcohol - no minors (over 18 or 21 or whatever age its set at) and if you are caught driving under the influence you are punished.

That brings me to another point. Punishment. There should be ZERO tolerance for anyone who drives their car under the influence of any drug. Cut that license up and don’t let them get it back for at least a year on the first offence. If they do it again – never get it back.

Businesses should be given the same power to fire your ass if you show up stoned just like they can if you show up drunk (you – does not mean anyone here).

Lastly, I never understood the need to smoke that crap, but if its what floats your boat and you don’t mind you brain getting altered irreparably, then be my guest. Smoke that shit. Just don’t blow it my way.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


That brings me to another point. Punishment. There should be ZERO tolerance for anyone who drives their car under the influence of any drug. Cut that license up and don’t let them get it back for at least a year on the first offence. If they do it again – never get it back.



i agree

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Businesses should be given the same power to fire your ass if you show up stoned just like they can if you show up drunk (you – does not mean anyone here).



Well here in Texas, it is a right to work state. Which means the employer can fire your ass for anything he/she feels like is detrometal to the well being of the company. So if your stoned at work the company has a right to fire you.
Although my wife who is a manager says that she wont fire anyone till she acually catches them doing it on company ground.

Scott

Originally posted by sugarcaddy


Although my wife who is a manager says that she wont fire anyone till she acually catches them doing it on company ground.

Scott


so has he fired you yet?:wink:

Against.

It has been proven that it leads onto harder drugs such as methamptamine. Besides, its illegal, which is good enough for me.

Its not my business if anyone wants to smoke it, unless you smoke it either near me or in front of me. Then it becomes my business.

"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

I'd say its more comparable to the most popular legal drug, alcohol. Yet its totally different, no where near as bad I guess.

Alcohol makes you rude, annoying, angry and loud; sometimes blackouts.
Pot makes you happy, curious, accute, and friendly; sometimes sleepy.
Alcohol causes nausea, and headaches the next morning.
Pot sometimes causes dizzyness for a few hours the next morning.
Alcohol costs from 6 to 12$ for a buzz.
Pot costs from 5 to 10$ for a buzz.
Alcohol has calories(beer) unless drank as straight liquor.
Pot can give you the munchies.
Alcohol can be overdosed.
Pot cannot be overdosed.
Alcohol causes liver damage and kills brain cells; a weak poison.
Pot can cause lung damage.
Alcohol causes around 150,000 deaths per year, not counting murder.
Pot by itself has never caused a death.

You're forgetting that after a long period of time, pot makes you stupid, lethargic and destroys your personality.

BTW, your pot propaganda was pretty funny.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

Pot by itself has never caused a death.

yeah and the matrix maybe has you.......



and for the second statement......bulshit.....what about deaths caused indirectly by pot....like driving under the influence.....

A thread like this will only go so far before the misinformed come to speak like the sheep the govt. knows you are...
With the statistics regarding death from alcohol vs. pot, it is true that nobody has died as a direct result from using pot. You will fall asleep or feel your lungs burn before you could ever come close to smoking enough to kill you. If you use lung cancer as an argument, think about those who die of lung cancer after never having smoked anything in their lives, including cigarettes. It happens, thus nullifying your argument. And if you add deaths resulting indirectly from marijuana, via auto accidents, for example, you are not taking into account the person's natural stupidity, or the possibility that they're just a bad driver. See my response regarding age limits below.
As for leading to harder drugs, it depends on the person, but for the most part it's a fallacy invented by our govt's war on drugs. Most of the people I know that have smoked pot never went on to anything harder. Some started smoking cigarettes. Some used harder drugs before & then decided that pot was enough for them. That argument, like the previous, is void of any factual evidence.
Now, the weakest argument of them all is, undoubtedly, how it affects intelligence. Again, it depends on the person. I agree that if a person starts at a young age, these so-called side effects may be noticed, but can also be attributed to their scholastic habits. If the person has an addictive personality and allows themselves to become lazy and unmotivated, then their education will suffer. However, look at someone who's a double major, daily smoker, who also gets a job offer from one of the top IT firms in the country. Can you say they may have gotten further in life? It's possible, but how much better can it get than to have that company fly you out and pick you up in a limo, and it being the first time in the company's history? The person I just described was a good friend of mine.
The fact of the matter is that our govt. hates to admit that it's wrong. Hell, where are the WMD's? Personally, I feel that it should be legalized to free our overcrowded prisons, help those who need it medically, and reduce associated crime. Lowered prices would be nice too ;) I also feel that it should be treated the same as alcohol and tobacco as far as age limits and traffic laws are concerned. Although, it is hard to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana...any test would pick up a joint smoked a week prior since it stays in your system up to around a month or so...
I've also heard the rumors about marlboro having a plant set up for years...supposedly to produce "marlboro greens" ...nice thought, but I'll believe it when I see it :)

Most of the people I know who do pot went on to harder drugs. And after a while, all of them became real bores to be around, and they attracted other lame-o loser people (in other words, people so incredibly boring, and so annoyingly idiotic my brain felt like it was going to implode if I sat around them for just two more minutes)
Of course, then again - that is only most not ALL of them.
I find that most people who think drugs are good, are people who've done enough drugs to bring their brain to a point where they're dumb enough to think that drugs are good.
Maybe I'm just bitter because some of my good friends became total losers.
I've also found that most people are far more happier with themselves when they learn how to live without it. And usually, are much more fun to be around.

Well, I can live without it if i have/want to. It's just a nice break sometimes to have. They say that its only addictive and leads to harder drugs to people who have a tendency to get addicted to substances, be it nicotine, alcohol, THC, speeling pills and what have you. I admit that i HAVE driven stoned. Probably not the best idea, but i think most people would rather, given the two choices, drive with somebody that's stoned ever someone that's drunk. The worst part for me was the paranoia. EVERY car is a cruiser when you're stoned:wink:

They have yet to prove that it causes mental damage. Harsher drugs, perhaps, but this plant has been around for as long as we have. Hell, it wasnt until the beginning of the 1900's that it became illegal. And my personal theory on WHY it became illegal was becasue the gov't couldn't tax it, the shit grows anywhere!

well any mind altering drug will be bad for you if used consistently that is fact.....show me one drug that will not have soem sort of side effects and you'll win the nobel



and trd boy read my post i said INDIRECT deaths.....that is even worse when soembody inocent dies.....


as i said its a personal choice but please do not say that it is not bad for you....maybe not as bad as achohool but it is still bad......

Originally posted by Neutrino
and trd boy read my post i said INDIRECT deaths.....that is even worse when soembody inocent dies.....

I did read your post and you didn't state whose death was an indirect result of a driver under the influence. I interpreted it as the person driving under the influence getting into an accident and dying. In that case, the cause could be bad driving, or stupidity. In the case of an innocent person dying as a result of someone driving under the influence, then that is unfortunate, but I would have to ask that you think about the 80 year old man in Southern California who plowed into the farmers market. He was, allegedly, not under the influence of anything. Are we to make driving after a certain age illegal? At what age should a person be banned from getting behind the wheel? That's a whole other issue...& don't get me started! LOL :lol:

mind altering schmind altering. Everything in moderation. Your own mind alters itself with drugs, so why not do it yourself sometimes? Dont go nuts, but on occasion is O.K. in my book.

Originally posted by Steel
mind altering schmind altering. Everything in moderation. Your own mind alters itself with drugs, so why not do it yourself sometimes? Dont go nuts, but on occasion is O.K. in my book.

that is why i said consistently.......


also trdboy we have a whole thread in the political forum about the guy that killed those people and yes.....after a certain age if you are not capable of driving you should not be alowed too.....

"You're forgetting that after a long period of time, pot makes you stupid, lethargic and destroys your personality."

As TRDboi stated, it depends on the user AND their addictive tendencies. Abuse alcohol, MJ, Coke, or any other recreational drug and you will see they all have detrimental side-effects.


"BTW, your pot propaganda was pretty funny."

Pretty funny? It has more truth than the governments anti-Marijuana campaign.

No it's funny for other reason (that it may be biased and wrong, is not what made it funny) Besides, I've found that personal experience is usually more reliable than the opinions of a large group of biased people.
I've never read anything the government has apparently spewed out about marijuana - from personal experience, people who do it often become lazy, stupid, bores.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
"It has been proven to lead to harder drugs" Yeah, you believe everything that 'government testing' says.

I'd say its more comparable to the most popular legal drug, alcohol. Yet its totally different, no where near as bad I guess.

Alcohol makes you rude, annoying, angry and loud; sometimes blackouts.
Pot makes you happy, curious, accute, and friendly; sometimes sleepy.
Alcohol causes nausea, and headaches the next morning.
Pot sometimes causes dizzyness for a few hours the next morning.
Alcohol costs from 6 to 12$ for a buzz.
Pot costs from 5 to 10$ for a buzz.
Alcohol has calories(beer) unless drank as straight liquor.
Pot can give you the munchies.
Alcohol can be overdosed.
Pot cannot be overdosed.
Alcohol causes liver damage and kills brain cells; a weak poison.
Pot can cause lung damage.
Alcohol causes around 150,000 deaths per year, not counting murder.
Pot by itself has never caused a death.

See, you type all this out under the assumption that I am pro alcohol. I do not drink. I am neither pro nor anti alcohol.

Besides, theres a whole lot of contadictions in your post.

Originally posted by zebrathree
Against.

It has been proven that it leads onto harder drugs such as methamptamine.

that is such bs
i have smoked since 7th grade and that was like 4 years, and i havnt even touched another drug
doin harder drugs is your own choice, mary j doesnt lead to other drugs that is bs

Im sorry, you must have missed the rest of the thread. I'll give you a rundown. It says it depends on the person. Capeche?

still that is lame to say mary, is a gateway drug

Evidence?

I have done it in the past, but not anymore too much at all just ocasionally if it comes up, and i think its a total waste of money to throw people in jail for having it. A TOTAL waste of MY money! They should make it legal and tax the shit outta it, to make money! So what if people want to be really dumb the rest of their life because the did WAYYY to much of it. Why throw them in jail over it???? :confused:

*edit* i agree with other people i NEVER did anyhting else, it doesnt leed to other drugs, for me and all the people i know anyway.

Evidence on it being a gateway drug is moot. I bet there is just as much evidence for it as there is against it. I think it depends on the person.

I try not to smoke it too much, but most of the time I do it I regret the fact that I know I will get the munchies, and most of the time I usually get them I spend more on the food than the Pot.:iceslolan

Originally posted by Amish_kid
I try not to smoke it too much, but most of the time I do it I regret the fact that I know I will get the munchies, and most of the time I usually get them I spend more on the food than the Pot.:iceslolan :iamwithst

Haha yeah like I was saying the first time I ever got baked I spent like 10 bucks to get baked then another 15 or so on food that was gone in like 1 hour.

i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.

Originally posted by grimmy
i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.


good points.....

Originally posted by grimmy
i have too much to say to put into one reply so ill start with this
i hope we can all agree that pot is the least bad of the narcotic familly.
in reality pot is a gateway drug just as much as it isn't. if a kid tries pot with his friend he is accumulating experiencein doing something he knows he shouldn't. after an ammount of time he will get used to doing it and wont be paranoid anymore. if his friend is into harder drugs there is a higher chance that the kid will try them simply because they are more accessible and he has a certain amount of trust in doing such things with this particular friend. if his friend is a pot purist chances are he will never have the desire to do anything else. in otherwords it may or may not be a gateway drug depending on who is running the tollbooth.
also i would like to see it legalised, simply because some of the dope slingers are really bad people the same people that are dealing other shit and packing guns. one day i will have children and they will grow up and make their own decision on wether or not to smoke. if they decide they want to o would rather see them pick it up from a gas station than to go to some seedy part of town in the presence of nasty people who might try to offer them other kinds of drugs.

Exactly! Plus, you know they'll/you'll be getting purse cannabis that isn't spiked with anything. And all that tax money can go to something USEFUL.

look i found this for you guys:bigthumb:
http://www.engrish.com/household/image/pottray.jpg

hm, as with any argument I must throw my 2 cents in :)
Anything foreign entering the human body is harmful. period. Alcohol is harmful, cigarettes are harmful, Marijuana is harmful, there's no getting around it. We tried stopping alcohol within our society and look what happened!?! Prohibition was horrible. They would do the same with cigarettes but they don't want that happening again, so they just jack up the prices! I mean, none of us can say the detrimental of marijuana, for it hasn't be as closely followed as cigarettes has. Personally speaking, I know people who have smoke ALL THEIR LIVES.. one of them is a 38 year old man who plays his guitar, smokes weed, and gathers carts at the local grocery store. He's not a bad guy or anything, but he seems extremely unmotivated and a little TOO laid back. In my experience in the army, marijuana DOES seem like a gateway drug. Think about it, without marijuana, there would probably be more coke heads because mj is that intermediate drug. It says to people ok, you've gone this far, wanna go further? And from those of us who have been high, we aren't exactly argumentative when it comes to trying new things, are we?

The government is taking a smart approach to mj. I mean, cigarettes have been legal for the longest time. To ban them would be nonsense (but beneficial), so the prices are made higher. They tried stopping alcohol which didn't work. And now there is mj. The government has given in to the public on the first 2 substances, but with this one they're really timid about it. Perhaps for reasons unknown? Maybe the govt. is part of the illegal mj trade and already gets shitloads of money off of it, and they don't wanna wreck their current deals.

All in all it's bad for you, nobody here can argue against that. I personally have never been hurt by a pothead, but then again.. I'd prefer if all my friends weren't potheads either...

I think it's been mentioned earlier before, but after you smoke it for a while, don't you get really DUMB? What I'm asking is, when you smoke for too long, don't you end up like Jim Bruer in 'Half-baked'?

I know that alot of dumb people do it, but I don't think it makes people dumb - though it does seem to make them lazy and boring to be around (which I'm sure alot of people would consider dumb)

I am for it. Did for two years on a regular basis and got a 3.0 gpa so I don't think it makes you stupid. It only makes you stupid while your on it, well for some it does(my roomate) but I dont ever feel stupid when I'm on it. In fact i've taken online quizes for one of my classes and did better than when I was sober, LOL. I did it 2 weeks ago for the first time in 3 months. I'm just really trying to stay away from it now b/c i was with my friend and his dumbass decided to take some on a trip with us when I told him not to and then got pulled over and got arrested but me and my other friend were allowed to go. But of course he's talking shit behind our backs now saying we should of helped him pay his ticket which is complete bull shit but anyways thats another story. I read something in a pot mag at barnes and nobles and brought up an interesting concept that I never thought of before. That is the govt. tries to moralize everything for us w/o even asking us or rather voting on it, they just vote how they feel. The constitution says "We The People" therefore we should vote on it. Anyways I'm hardly doing it anymore b/c i got a out of a hairy situation once and don't want shit to happen again. So I'll stick to the legal until the illegal b/comes legal. Attention to U.S. Govt: Wanna make a lot of money...legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

I am pro marijuana legalization. If you ask me, the most harmful effect marijuana has is its illegality. Being illegal it has created a huge blackmarket, which has in turn created more crime, and overcrowded our jails with people that are in there for simple possession charges and selling. Those people are not criminals, no more than the person that goes to the store and buys a case of beer. What is the harm in using a substance to alleviate stress and just kick back and relax with. That's not even mentioning the medical uses for it, and yes, there are legitimate medical uses for it.
It should be legalized and regulated the same way that alcohol and cigarettes are, although the prices would have to be lower than the blackmarket prices in order to stop it. Although I know myself and others would probably grow our own given the legalization of it.
I don't see legalization happening anytime soon though, with the current goverment, and all of the propaganda and lies spread out about it. The government would have to turn around and admit they were wrong, and they were lying about the effects of marijuana the whole time, which you know will not happen, at least not without changing the lineup of the Gov. People need to be educated with the truth.

Experience is an honest teacher, it doesn't lie.

About the gateway theory, as stated above, experience is an honest teacher. If you do not have it, your opinion is only based on what you have heard, which is that it is a gateway drug. If this theory has any truth in it at all, it is only because marijuana is illegal. Once someone tries it, and finds out its not as bad as the DARE program taught them it was, sometimes they start to wonder if other things arent as bad, and start experimenting. I myself drank alcohol before I started smoking marijuana, does that mean that alcohol is a gateway drug? Yes, I have tried other things, besides the before mentioned two, just to satisfy my curiosity, and do not do them on a regular basis. Usually the people that end up addicted to other drugs would have reguardless of marijuana's existance. It is just in their personality. Anything can start the cycle, unfortunatly marijuana got the rap for it.

Now about all the hype about how marijuana makes you stupid, lazy, causes the "amotivational syndrome" or whatever its called, and so on. Well, first off, marijuana doesn't make you stupid. Stupid people do smoke marijuana though. It's just a stereotype, I smoke marijuana, and carry a 3.8 gpa in the tech school I go to. I don't consider myself any less intelligent now, than before I started smoking. It has not caused me to be lazy. But just like how stupid people smoke marijuana, so do lazy people. Unfortunatly, every marijuana user is stereotyped into this category. Usually the stupid lazy people you see, are the people that do nothing but sit around and smoke marijuana. If you took marijuana away from them, they would still be stupid and lazy. And to the person that said marijuana users end up like Jim Breuer, that is just a comedy act, some people pick up that type of personality because of marijuana, but its just because they think its cool or whatever, it doesn't really change a person, a person chooses the change.

About the addictiveness of marijuana. Marijuana is pretty much only mentally addictive. But anything can be mentally addictive. Food, television, the internet, sex, practically anything you enjoy. I wouldn't really even call it addictive, more like habitual. It's really easy to stop unless you smoke all day long every day and forget what being sober is like. Any drug can be abused though. You just have to be smart with it, and use it only for recreational purposes when you have nothing important you have to do, like work, school, driving, etc.

And practically all of the anti-MJ commericals you have seen have been over exagerated and are lies. The only one I seen that is truth, is the one that says "Marijuana can get you busted."

Sorry if this was long, I just hate to see all of the false propaganda and lies being spread out about marijuana. It's really not half as bad as most people think it is. It is far less harmful to your body than alcohol, except for your lungs, but it can also be vaporized and eaten, which makes it practically harmless. I have seen an independant study not funded by the government, I think in England, that found by testing with rats, that there is no long term damage done to the brain by marijuana. All of the memory loss is short term, as in when you are high. It can make your head a little fuzzy sometimes when you wake up, but its nothing permanent.

If you want anymore information or are interested at all, go to www.marijuana.com, they have lots of information on the subject and a message board.

I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells. Still I don't care if you smoke it- but if you smoke it in front of me- expect a kick in the nuts and for me to chuck your joint over the fence:smile:

Originally posted by Jimster
I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells. Still I don't care if you smoke it- but if you smoke it in front of me- expect a kick in the nuts and for me to chuck your joint over the fence:smile:

And that's exactly the kind of attitude i hate. Fine, kick me in the nuts and throw my joint, then ill punch you in the face and smash your beer bottle over your head.:biggrin2:

Find me proof that it kills brain cells. And i wont accept anything funded by the government.

Light use of pot wont fuck you up in the long run. that's complete BS. Heavy use will, but then again, so will heavy use of alcohol. That your point is moot.

Originally posted by Jimster
I don't like the stuff at all- I've seen people use too much of it and in the end fucking up thier life- it does lead to class A's and B's in many cases- no way all- but once the kick gets boring- the typical stoner then becomes your typical junkie. Alcahol is fine- light use of it doesn't fuck you up in the long run- pot does and the little pro-pot propoganda forgot to mention that pot DOES kill brain cells.

LOL, go back to freevibe, or else don't speak unto which you do not know.

You've "seen" people use to much of it. I've seen plenty of results of drunk driving, alcohol poisoning, and choking on your own puke due to the poisoning effects of alcohol. Using your reasoning, I would have to say that everyone that drinks alcohol, ends up the same way. But I'm not that one sided. You are using stereotypes. Everyone that smokes marijuana doesn't end up addicted, or as you like to call, a "typical" junkie. Like the person said before, that kind of attitude makes me sick, not to mention the ignorance. I am not against other people drinking alcohol, I personally do not enjoy it, but I don't go around saying all it does is lead to alcoholism in most cases. It's all dependant upon the person.
And definatly light use of marijuana doesn't fuck you up in the long run. It actually doesn't have any adverse effects at all for most people. Heavy use, on the other hand, can cause problems. Remember, anything can be abused.

Oh and another thing, propaganda is the spread of false and stretched information. I speak soley from experience, and any outside information I do get, comes from independant researchers. Not research that want to keep it prohibited, aka the government.

Oh, and would you like some information on how marijuana doesn't destroy brain cells? Here you go....

http://www.marijuana.com/Exposing_08_1095.html
And if you don't trust that, look at the footnotes, and do your own research.

Wow, and look at this, here's something from WebMD.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=

And thats just evidence that it doesn't cause brain damage. There are many other uses for it other than recreational use, there are plenty of medical uses for it, not to mention industrial hemp.

If you still don't believe anything I said, do your own research.

Maybe when I'm old and have nothing else to do, with no more future and just a past...nothing left to lose>>then I'll try it .MAYBE. Just the CHANCE that it could screw me over makes me not wanna try it :frown:

"A number of driving simulator studies have shown that marijuana does not produce the kind of psycho-motor impairment evident with modest doses of alcohol. In fact, in a recent NHTSA study, the only statistically significant outcome associated with marijuana was that drivers drove more slowly."


HA!!:biggrin2:

:1:
I'm with Steel. I've only seen some people's driving get better after 2 cones.

Marajuana has to have a negative effect on the brain simply because it is mind altering- Alcohol is mind-altering in excess it kills brain cells- now because the something from the dope is altering your mind then surely there is something in there fucking up your brain- OTHERWISE there wouldn't be any mentality effect. I know government research has found marajuana to be bad for the brain- and I do trust government research before I trust Socialist stoner let's all be friends scientists. Whatever way you look at it- it's Government propoganda vs. Stoner propoganda- you just think your propoganda is truth- well the truth is still out there.

and from one of your sources I took particular note of this
No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted enough said how the hell are they to know then??? Perhaps the wacky "scientists" were to busy fishing through the cadavers pockets to see if he had any joints he never got around to smoking :rolleyes:

Marajuana is the starting point for any druggie- it's like the supermarket trainee of drugs- pretty much every drug abuser who I've seen and met (and I've seen a few of them) have started on marajuana- before progressing to Ecstacy, heroin and Speed- now that in itself was enough to put me off drugs for the rest of my life.

d/l this tight movie, search for "smoking weed with friends" on kazaa or whatever thing you use. it goes with a bone thugs song "smokin buddha. good times. . . when the school year starts i'll be clean for a little over a year. imo it makes you feel good, great tool for bonding with people, but there's too much drama when you get into illegal drugs, so i just decided not to deal with it at all.

I'm with Jimster on this one. If the government is as you say altering research to support their position, then who is to say that there aren't people altering it to support legalization and safety of marijuana? There are alot of people that stand to make alot of very real and very legal money if marijuana becomes legalized. Think about it.

Originally posted by whttrshpunk
I'm with Jimster on this one. If the government is as you say altering research to support their position, then who is to say that there aren't people altering it to support legalization and safety of marijuana? There are alot of people that stand to make alot of very real and very legal money if marijuana becomes legalized. Think about it.
I have thought about it ands I agree with you. The primary obstacle to legalisation is changing the prevailing mindset is nigh on impossible. So it won't become legal. But the myth it is a life destroying drug is purveyed by those who have never smoked it.

Originally posted by Jimster
Marajuana is the starting point for any druggie- it's like the supermarket trainee of drugs- pretty much every drug abuser who I've seen and met (and I've seen a few of them) have started on marajuana- before progressing to Ecstacy, heroin and Speed- now that in itself was enough to put me off drugs for the rest of my life.

Key word, abuser. An abuser will abuse any drug he can get his hands on. Do you think all of these drug abusers you speak of have never drank alcohol. Abusive behavior isn't something that is developed by smoking marijuana, its something that is always present. It could be true that marijuana was a starting point from some of the people you know, but to say that marijuana causes people to do other drugs, is just ignorant. I know people who only smoke and drink, and won't touch anything else, because they are afraid that if they do, they will become addicted.

And to say that just because something has an effect on the brain, means it will fuck it up is just silly. There are plenty of things that people do or take everyday that will have worse effects. I'd be willing to say that someone who drinks a lot of coffee is worse off than someone who smokes marijuana.
Do you think doctors would prescribe people marijuana if it fucked up your brain? I don't think they would. I know people who have smoked marijuana just about their whole lives, and it hasn't hurt them. The worst thing about it, is people who hold in the smoke too long, oxygen deprevation does kill brain cells. 5 seconds is long enough for your lungs to absorb all of the THC they are going to absorb, so there is no need to hold it in for 30 seconds.

Until it is legalized, there will probably be no research on it that everyone will trust, and probably not even then. It's harder to unlearn something that has been implanted in your brain all of your life, than to learn something new that says otherwise.

all for legalizing,i remember the president or some guy that was the highest position in the DEA made this exact quote "marijuana in its purest form is the safest substance known to man" dont believe me look it up,and that comercial where its like 4 out of 5 roadsides accidents where caused by drivers who tested positive for marijuana piises me off so bad,youll test positive like 3 weeks after you smoke,so that doesnt mean they were driving high.oh and its proven that pot doesnt cause cancer,it may have alot more tar then ciggarettes,but that isnt what causes cancer,carcinogens are and pot has none

all for legalizing,i remember the president or some guy that was the highest position in the DEA made this exact quote "marijuana in its purest form is the safest substance known to man" dont believe me look it up,and that comercial where its like 4 out of 5 roadsides accidents where caused by drivers who tested positive for marijuana piises me off so bad,youll test positive like 3 weeks after you smoke,so that doesnt mean they were driving high.oh and its proven that pot doesnt cause cancer,it may have alot more tar then ciggarettes,but that isnt what causes cancer,carcinogens are and pot has none

HEMP is the strongest naturally occurring fiber on the planet, maybe that's what you meant. and if you think marijuana is completely safe from cancer causing materials, you are just kidding yourself. i am a former hardcore user and i can say that after being clean for a while now (8 months) i will never go back. mj causes laziness, unhappiness, depression, lack of motivation, all that good stuff...you just can't see it when you're on it, because you don't want to to stop.

i support the legalization of marijuana because, when used in moderation, it is safer than alcohol. when abused, it is very destructive. people have the right to choose what goes into their own bodies, they fucking government should not control that, they should simply try and make it SAFER!!

But the myth it is a life destroying drug is purveyed by those who have never smoked it.

Well duh - because those who have (smoked it) are too dumb to see the negative effects in the first place, or else they wouldn't have smoked it. And those who have quit are smart enough to have finnally seen them, but you're never going to hear a current smoker say that it's bad for your health (though common sense dicates that asphixiating yourself, no matter what the source of the smoke is bad)

should remain illegal .. then again i think all tabacco products should be illegal.. and guns should be illegal.. i know that alcohol is just as if not more dangerous as smoking or pot, but for some reason it doesn't bother me..

Well duh - because those who have (smoked it) are too dumb to see the negative effects in the first place, or else they wouldn't have smoked it. And those who have quit are smart enough to have finnally seen them, but you're never going to hear a current smoker say that it's bad for your health (though common sense dicates that asphixiating yourself, no matter what the source of the smoke is bad)

First off, whats with you saying that everyone who smokes are too dumb to see the negative side effects of it? That's a bold statement my friend. I'm definatly not stupid, as I hold a 3.89 GPA. And yes, I do have common sense. Most of my friends who smoke graduated top of the class in high school, higher than all of the people that don't smoke. So using your logic, I could say that everyone who doesn't smoke is stupid. This is not true, marijuana doesn't have any effect on your intelligence. The only effect it has that way, is just short term memory loss. And its only short term, being as long as your high. You can retain some fuzziness, or what some people call being "burnt". There are no long term side effects though.
Really, the only stupid people who smoke, are the people that were stupid to begin with. You can't classify a group of people as large as the marijuana community in a group like that, and call all of them stupid.

Who says you won't hear a current smoker say its not bad for your health? Anytime you inhale smoke into your lungs or hold your breath for any amount of time, its not going to be good for you. But its nothing serious. Unless there is something wrong with your lungs to begin with, I don't think that smoking marijuana alone, is going to have a detremental effect on your lungs. You just don't smoke it like you do cigarrettes. Unless you abuse it majorly.

So I guess my point is, that everything you just said is bull, and you just offended me and probably some other people on this board that smokes marijuana.

3.89 GPA,huh? Don't have grade point averages here,but I'm sure that's a fairly impressive statistic.

However,your mangled use of grammar and atrocious spelling would lead me to assume that you have fried a few brain cells with your silly habit.

One more point....nobody gives a flying shit whether or not you are offended.With just five posts to your name,we don't know you well enough to care.Welcome to AF,your opinions are welcome here,but don't come the 'highly offended' routine when someone offers theirs.Have a nice day,skin up ,chill out and say goodbye to a few more brain cells. :loser:

i found it,and the exact quote is-"marijuana in its purest form is one of the safest substances known to man,safer then things we commonly consume everyday without even thinking about it"

So I guess my point is, that everything you just said is bull, and you just offended me and probably some other people on this board that smokes marijuana.

I could easily discount your post as such too. And I'm sure that if I had no sense of humor (common with smokers) I could find your post "offensive" (:rofl: ) too! :tongue:

how could you say its common for smokers to have no sense of humor?everyone i know and talk to that smokes(which is probaly over 500 people)have some of the best sense of humor that ive ever seen

how could you say its common for smokers to have no sense of humor?everyone i know and talk to that smokes(which is probaly over 500 people)have some of the best sense of humor that ive ever seen

O.K. I lied, so sue me. Some smokers have a sense of humor, they smoke tobacco - weed smokers also have sense of humor, uh - sort of anyway, but it's not funny for the same reasons they think it is - it's just funny because it's so stupid. I mean, have a conversation with a real pot-head, and you'll laugh, and laugh (at them) - it's great fun.

Weed smoker's humor example #1: "I've been smoking weed forever, like probably since I was a baby I've been doing bud - ha ha ha" The statement itself isn't funny, but the fact that they found it funny is hilarious! :lol:

i have a feeling you must of had a sad sad life

i have a feeling you must of had a sad sad life


Oh yes, I agree! I mean, it's so obvious! Sad people laugh all the time!

In case you hadn't noticed, that was me being humourous. I just felt I had to point that out.

you know they will eventually legalize it. right now, marijuana is like beer was in the 1800s. its banned, people still do it, and it will eventually get legalized.

its not a hardcore drug, it has more tobacco in it than cigs but who cares. if someone wants to be a pothead i don't have a problem with it.

i prefer VODKA :p

In my way, I think that marijuana is a lot safer than a cigarette. Cigarettes have more stuff added to them besides the tobacco. Plus I think that a cigarette is more addicting than marijuana.

In my way, I think that marijuana is a lot safer than a cigarette. Cigarettes have more stuff added to them besides the tobacco. Plus I think that a cigarette is more addicting than marijuana.
i don't think so... i've done both, and i just hate cigarettes. its been a while since i had a puff of the good stuff :smokin:

i had about a pack of cigarettes in my days (oyes, that's heavy :tongue: ), but after about 3 times on the other stuff i loved it. very hard to stop.

3.89 GPA,huh? Don't have grade point averages here,but I'm sure that's a fairly impressive statistic.

However,your mangled use of grammar and atrocious spelling would lead me to assume that you have fried a few brain cells with your silly habit.

One more point....nobody gives a flying shit whether or not you are offended.With just five posts to your name,we don't know you well enough to care.Welcome to AF,your opinions are welcome here,but don't come the 'highly offended' routine when someone offers theirs.Have a nice day,skin up ,chill out and say goodbye to a few more brain cells. :loser:

First, I'll start off with an apolgy if what I said was offensive to anyone, it just angers me when such extreme prejudice and ignorance is displayed on a subject that obviously some of you don't really know that much about.

(Taranaki,)
First off, a space usually follows a comma and a period. Oh, and lets not forget "Dont come the 'highly offended' routine?" Need I say more? We all make typos and errors. I usually don't proofread what I write, so my bad man, I'm sorry if my atrocious spelling and butchered grammar confused you, or made it where you were unable to fully grasp any of the points I was attempting to make in my post.
Oh yes, and you make an ASS when you ASSume...Couldn't pick a more pertinent example than this.

I'm sorry for speaking my mind about the offensiveness of the comments I was refering to. I can however see how what I have to say may not be of any importance to you being as I don't hold a high standing here at automotiveforums.com. That does not however make anything I said of any less value. What if in the future i got a million gabillion posts, would you come back here and take anything I said into consideration? One day you will see when this masquerade is over, and cannibus is finally legalized. It may be a long way away, but it will happen soon enough.

"your opinions are welcome here,but don't come the 'highly offended' routine when someone offers theirs"

Let me address this statment. What if someone came on here and said something of the effect of "I hate (insert race, religion, etc. here) and they are all stupid and lazy blah blah blah". Do you not think that any of the people that were being discriminated against should have the right to express that they are offended by the statments of the hate filled bigot that callded them stupid and lazy, no matter how many posts they have?
(/Taranaki)




"I could easily discount your post as such too"
Humour me...funny guy :grinno:

"Weed smoker's humor example #1: "I've been smoking weed forever, like probably since I was a baby I've been doing bud - ha ha ha" The statement itself isn't funny, but the fact that they found it funny is hilarious!"

I too know people that are like that, but once again you are stereotyping the "typical stoner". You know, the ones that you see on TV and such, but the truth is, and get this, most things on TV arent real! The vast majority of people that I have met that smoke are nothing like that while sober. While stoned is another story, if you have indeed been stoned, you know what I am talking about. Things are indeed funnier, and some things that a sober person might reguard as stupid, are funny. I could probably reverse that and say you have no sense of humor, being as a stoned person will laugh at anything, and you, well, you like to make fun of someone elses sense of humor, and make fun of them because you don't think the same things are funny....

I wonder if you realize a lot of successful comedians toke on a regular basis.

Also, marijuana only contains marijuana, not tobacco. Or perhaps you meant tar, in which case, you would be correct.

Oops, double post...
Uh, oh yea, Harry Potter kicks ass! :grinyes:

brainslicks is right,if stoners have no sense of humor then why are probaly 50%(atleast)of all comedians pot smokers?

brainslicks is right,if stoners have no sense of humor then why are probaly 50%(atleast)of all comedians pot smokers?

cause they have nothing better to do with their time than sit around, smoke pot, and think up one liners...pot does not make you more funny, i'm calling it :bs:

I actually think this entire thread is a good indicator of how little humour most smokers have.

I actually think this entire thread is a good indicator of how little humour most smokers have.


Do I smell a sociological study coming?....wait....no... my bad, just the reefer from the teh other posts. :lol2: :cwm27:

No one said pot makes you funnier....If you weren't funny before you started smoking pot, chances are that you won't be funny after you smoke pot. You don't have to be a funny person to have a sense of humor anyway....

I actually think this thread is a good indicator of how ignorant and close minded you are. Said thing is I used to have the same opinion as you do, until I took it upon myself to learn the truth...

I guess you would expect a black man to have a hearty laugh at a KKK rally too huh? So using your logic, all black men don't have a sense of humour, which of course, is not true. Most smokers don't take lies and the bashing of marijuana too lightly.

No one said pot makes you funnier....If you weren't funny before you started smoking pot, chances are that you won't be funny after you smoke pot. You don't have to be a funny person to have a sense of humor anyway....

I actually think this thread is a good indicator of how ignorant and close minded you are. Said thing is I used to have the same opinion as you do, until I took it upon myself to learn the truth...

I guess you would expect a black man to have a hearty laugh at a KKK rally too huh? So using your logic, all black men don't have a sense of humour, which of course, is not true. Most smokers don't take lies and the bashing of marijuana too lightly.

Damn dude, lighten up, he's just joking with you, that's why he's made the sense of humor comments. Maybe A change of subject will help. I dont mind that people smoke pot, I just hate it when the idiots who feel they should announce to everyone they do it start doing just that. Some people need to understand that it's something they should keep to themselves unless they are asked about it.

[QUOTE=ILike2DriveCars]Damn dude, lighten up, he's just joking with you, that's why he's made the sense of humor comments.[QUOTE]

Yea, I kinda realized that, but there is always the slim chance that he's related to George Bush. Besides I felt like arguing. :biggrin:

Wow, I never considered smoking myself stupid as a way "to learn the truth" :grinno:

Those who smoke
A never ending source of laughter
for the 2strokebloke :wink:

Wow, I never considered smoking myself stupid as a way "to learn the truth" :grinno:

Those who smoke
A never ending source of laughter
for the 2strokebloke :wink:

Actually the smoking of marijuana has very little adverse effects on learning and memory while not under the influence. Your comment is completely out of context as to the point that I was attemtping to make.

Hehe, just kidding. I guess I've beat this dead horse long enough. Now it's time to go "learn the truth." ;) :smokin: :bloated:

I actually haven't smoked in a long time. I don't know why. I just.. haven't. Admittedly, I've been having some hardcore problems, and have been drinking more that usual (!).

I'm actaully starting to get tired of smoking. It's lost it's fun..well, I can't say that its lost its fun, but it's the same thing everytime, and i;m looking for something different now. Like getting over my ex and... bleh.

... anybody ever hear of salvia? :naughty:

.. anybody ever hear of salvia? :naughty:


:thumbsup: ...yep

I'm an occasional smoker which means that if you want to smoke me up, i won't oblige to it..the last time i smoked...it was this Bud called "Boo Berry" this stuff was so strong it really messed me up...i couldn't even walk for about 20 mins...and i really just couldn't stop laughing...i normally go through hydro and KB and i don't act like that, it really got me retarded, to the point where i thought that my name was "Goofy", and i really couldn't stop eating for a while.....i have never experienced a high like that before i mean with colors and sounds and everything it was just nuts.....

but i don't really care if i have it or i don't. i mean yeah legalization would be cool, but then you'd know that the stuff that you'd get would really suck..it'd be like if someone put fresh grass clippings into a dimebag and sold it to you....it'd just plain suck...probably be all stemsand seeds and no bud.... i think that if it ever went to legalized use, the government would make it illegal to buy any other kind but their own..and that stuff would be weaker than mersh...... :2cents:

I'm an occasional smoker which means that if you want to smoke me up, i won't oblige to it..the last time i smoked...it was this Bud called "Boo Berry" this stuff was so strong it really messed me up...i couldn't even walk for about 20 mins...and i really just couldn't stop laughing...i normally go through hydro and KB and i don't act like that, it really got me retarded, to the point where i thought that my name was "Goofy", and i really couldn't stop eating for a while.....i have never experienced a high like that before i mean with colors and sounds and everything it was just nuts.....

but i don't really care if i have it or i don't. i mean yeah legalization would be cool, but then you'd know that the stuff that you'd get would really suck..it'd be like if someone put fresh grass clippings into a dimebag and sold it to you....it'd just plain suck...probably be all stemsand seeds and no bud.... i think that if it ever went to legalized use, the government would make it illegal to buy any other kind but their own..and that stuff would be weaker than mersh...... :2cents:
I've heard of Boo Berry before, never had it though. I know how you felt after it though. I've smoked 2 sweets and about 4 bowls in an hour and a half or so(not by myself but with 3 of my friends). I've never been so high, I was laying on the floor for like 30 minutes cuz i felt horrible, but then when the "extreme" highness wore off we had a lot of fun. Oh the memories. Which makes me think, if everyone says pot smokers can't remember shit then how come I can remember each and every person I've smoked with and things that happened at numerous times?

Hmm would Boo Berry also be known as blueberry bud and actually taste like blueberries?
Anyways if it's the same yeah it's really potent shit, or it coulda been the fact that me and 2 friends smoked 2g's of lower grade stuff then BlueBerry and then 1g of Quebec Hydro then thats the point where I sat back and almost cried I was sooooooooo stoned I never want to expirence that again. I'm surprised I never red-lighted that night. Haha man I've done so much dumb shit when I've been stoned it isn't funny ohh well it will never stop me.
:smokin:

Hmm would Boo Berry also be known as blueberry bud and actually taste like blueberries?
:smokin:

no it's called Boo Berry cuz you see ghosts....i swear that i saw a little yellow fairy flying around that night that i smoked....and everytime i closed my eyes i could see swirling colors and flashing patterns...kind of like Purple Haze's kid brother

It has been proven that it leads onto harder drugs such as methamptamine.

I smoke weed every now and then... The only reason that I see that people could think that it is a gateway drug is because if you hang out with potheads, it is likely they hung out with potheads, who hung out with potheads, etc. and somewhere along that chain there was one pothead who did harder drugs. Now, their lesser pothead friend tried it because of them, and it passed along down the chain.

I think that marijuana does not directly make you want to try other drugs because of that, and I have NEVER felt the urge to do any harder drugs than weed. It is only the people who you hang out with that will make you do stupid decisions.

Therefore, if pot was legal, you wouldn't have to hang out with those bad people because there would be way more pot-smoking friends to hang out with who will not peer-pressure you do try something stupid.
Just my :2cents:

I think that marijuana does not directly make you want to try other drugs because of that, and I have NEVER felt the urge to do any harder drugs than weed. It is only the people who you hang out with that will make you do stupid decisions.

I agree....I know this group of guys...four of them, and all of them are heavily into cocaine, yet only one of them has ever smoked bud more than once. :rolleyes:

i smoke all the time and weed is definitely a gateway drug. getting high is only a kick for so long. if you don't want to dabble in other drugs i would say smoking every day is a bad idea. a high weed tolerance will make you want to search elsewhere for the same high, euphoric feeling. i've dabbled in things that i said i never would. I'm glad i've tried the other things but it's not a life style i want. nothing kills your high more than looking around at 10 other drunk, high, geeked, rolling idiots all puffy eyed and sniffling and just thinkin' what the fuck am i doing here. total bizz kill.

I'll be a smoker for life, and a social drinker but the other stuff is real bad.

weed really isn't a bad thing,
have you ever seen a march down the streets of NYC in favor of the legalization cocaine, heroine or ecstasy? hell no. but there's a yearly march round here (called the million man marijuana march) where people wear their pot-head t-shirts and shit, alot of them smoke weed there and most of the time the cops won't do anything. I've never heard of a pro-coke rally.

I have been smoking pot for about 10 years now. I started around age 12. However, i continue to expand my knowledge, and the last time i took an IQ test, about a month ago, i scored 132, an all time high for me. I continue to smoke pot all day, nearly every day, and enjoy every moment.

where do i find pot in singapore

I think pot is healthy, when i take it, makes me think stuff that isnt meant to be thought. like, if you were to mix crayons together, which ones do you need to mix to get white? or, just staring aimlessly. you figure you spend most of your life thinking, you can spend 2 hours un-thinking everything you have thought. or is it backwards? you spend most of your life un-thinking, so you can spend 2 hours thinking. which ever works. the only reason weed is illigal, is because its sales dont pay tax.

Yeah. Found a downside to weed last night: when your (old-fasioned, drug misconcepted) parents catch ya smokin. Life's gonna suck for the next few weeks :(

Yeah. Found a downside to weed last night: when your (old-fasioned, drug misconcepted) parents catch ya smokin. Life's gonna suck for the next few weeks :(
Awww man that blows. How did they catch you or find out? Best of luck!

The first time I smoked, I didn't get high. I heard thats normal for a lot of people. Anyway, the first time I got really stoned, I got really scared like you said. The time after that, I was at a good friends house with some other people and I had a really good time. I however prefer alcohol. I have never gotten a hang-over and I drink a lot more than I smoke. I havn't smoked in a while, but I have nothing against it.

I feel that marijuana should indeed be legalized. If you look at it in comparison to alcohol, you can see that alcohol is definately worse. When I'm drunk, I don't even know what the fuck is going on. I could never drive a vehicle. Stoned? I feel I could easily drive. I've driven with friends that were completely blazed before. They can drive fine, and I know that because I know what it feels like and know what you can and can't do when you are under the influence of marijuana. What about all of its pros rather than cons? The government just doesnt look at those. I just don't see why marijuana is illegal and alcohol isnt. So many people smoke, its insane. So why not just legalize it? Its because everyone hears "POT! WEED!" and they think of violence and horrible drugs. Its bullshit, and someday I feel it will be legalized. My 2 cents. :2cents:

`RG

Yeah. Found a downside to weed last night: when your (old-fasioned, drug misconcepted) parents catch ya smokin. Life's gonna suck for the next few weeks :(
i got in so much shit with weed when i was 16-17 my parents said they didn't care and that i could smoke at the house so to keep me from getting DWAI's

and you figure you spend most of your life thinking
think about the fact that you sleep 8 hours a day. which is one third f a day, so you figure you spend 1/3 of your whole life fast asleep. i think about that almost every morning.

In Nebraska, weed grows everywhere, it is a weed that grows out of controrl. however this weed is shwag and not verry potent. you would have to smoke alot to get high. Why isnt dank growing in the "wild". we need to start planting dank seeds in nebraska so that they can increase the potency of the free range weeds. free weed for everyone.
:evillol: :evillol:

weed isn't really a weed. it's a flower, if you didn't pick and smoke the buds they would bloom and look pretty nice.

where do you guys get the stuff from, i wanna try it out!

is this stuff like heroin? you feel high and? do you vomit stuff?

where do you guys get the stuff from, i wanna try it out!

is this stuff like heroin? you feel high and? do you vomit stuff?
:rolleyes:

Got 3 fat spliffs lined up for the 14 hour concert I'm just abot to leave for :D:D:D

weed isn't really a weed. it's a flower, if you didn't pick and smoke the buds they would bloom and look pretty nice.
My old roomates fiance doesn't really like him smoking but she thinks it should be legal b/c of how beautiful it is.

Got 3 fat spliffs lined up for the 14 hour concert I'm just abot to leave for :D:D:D
Is a spliff the equivilant of a sweet or joint, never figured that meaning out? :icon16: I'm gonna enjoy the night myself before i bust ass all weekend for finals. :smokin:

Yep. Spliff = J. Outta here...

My old roomates fiance doesn't really like him smoking but she thinks it should be legal b/c of how beautiful it is.


Is a spliff the equivilant of a sweet or joint, never figured that meaning out? :icon16: I'm gonna enjoy the night myself before i bust ass all weekend for finals. :smokin:
i have a friend that grows bud wit his parents consent(his dads a burnout/alcoholic and he pays rent via reefer). his mom always says that she likes how pretty the plant itself is, with or without the flowers,

especially when it's under two 400W high pressure sodium conversion bulbs with some big green-ass buds making the branches slouch. god i love weed... and of course my very generous and sharing friends.

I do not do/never will do drugs. I say legalize it, tax it , get the drug dealers off the streets. If you wanna fuck your body/life up, be my guest.

:bs:

I have never tried MJ or any other drugs for that matter. I think the whole illegalization matter played into for me. I have no problem with it, but I don't really care for the smell of it. I have friends that have done it or still do it now. However, I think some people can get addicted to it, and that's where I start to have a problem with. I know some people that can't go long without smoking it.

However, I think some people can get addicted to it, and that's where I start to have a problem with. I know some people that can't go long without smoking it.
:bs: You can't get addicted to pot like cigarettes. I smoked for almost 3 years straight, daily. And just gave it up for new years. And i haven't touched it since mid december. I know tons of other people who have given it up just like that. Its all a mental addiction if anything.

:bs: You can't get addicted to pot like cigarettes. I smoked for almost 3 years straight, daily. And just gave it up for new years. And i haven't touched it since mid december. I know tons of other people who have given it up just like that. Its all a mental addiction if anything.

Well, most addictions are mental. You can get addicted, I know most don't though. However, I have a friend that cannot and will not give it up, and has completely ruined his marriage because of it. He agreed to give it up when he got married, and would not and could not give it up. Three years later he is now divorced, and it's not because of her, he left her. He has let the drugs control his life. They are more important to him than his wife, family or friends. Tell me that is not an addiction. You are fucking nuts if you think not. I'm not saying everyone is like this and he may be doing other drugs, I can't be certain.

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/

It is possible.

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.

More :bs: .

I say legalize it...Holland did it, (I am aware of the differences in cultures between Holland & America) and you don't hear outstanding reports of Dutch people commiting horrible crimes "under the influence" of weed. You don't hear about stoned Dutch people running over little kids or robbing a bank because "the weed told them to do it."

Plus, America needs to realize they will never, ever, EVER win the war against drugs...there are to many of us, we're spread out all over the place, and how can a government get rid of corruption when it's corrupt in itself? :nono:

:smokin: legalize it :smokin: Yes, I was a smoker for years. Like every day :evillol: Been there done that :screwy: Sure people can and will feel addicted to pot. At the same time thats from abuse of it. There are some down sides #1 you lose any drive or will to do anything but sit on your azz :loser: Then there is the health end of it. As with any smoking your lungs will pay the price. But thats a choice you should be able to make for yourself.
I dont see any reason for locking people up for years even life for just pot :screwy: Hell here in Oklahoma there was a guy that had been busted before with like a half OZ. 2 times in a row within a year. Then gets pulled over a 3rd time. The cops found a seed in his car 1 SEED. Because it was his 3rd strike he got 10 years :eek7: . IMO thats just wrong :screwy:
Legalize it & tax it. The tax money from that alone could start in turning
around our healthcare in America. Then free up ALOT of room in the jail & prisons for REAL criminals :banghead: :2cents:

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/

It is possible.

Marijuana addiction is a phenomenon experienced by more than 150,000 individuals each year who enter treatment for their proclaimed addiction to marijuana. Marijuana addiction is characterized as compulsive, often uncontrollable marijuana craving, seeking, and use, even when the individual knows that marijuana use is not in his best interest. Marijuana addiction could be defined as chronically making the firm decision not to use marijuana followed shortly by a relapse due to experiencing overwhelming compulsive urges to use marijuana despite the firm decision not to. This contradiction is characteristic of an addiction problem.
Maybe your friend does have a problem. But I don't think marijuana is the root of his problem. If someone is that addicted to it, there's underlying reason for it. I feel sorry for him having this problem, but even more sorry for his children and wife and family.

That site, is just like every other anti-marijuana website. It's biased to make the drug look bad and to detur(sp?) kids from using it. But the real studies that have been talked about on the news stations such as CNN Headline News prove that there is no long term affect on memory loss. Your memory is truely only affected while you are on the drug.

And I up and quit about 6 weeks ago now. No addiction here. I guess it's possible for some people though, but I think it's more of a depression problem than anything. I got into it pretty heavy after zee ex did her thing.. it's just like any other anti-depressant, i think. It makes you un depressed.. until it wears off. But you don't crash.. you just go back to depression. For me, though, I think that it just prolonged my pain over her more than anything...with a little help from her bullshit. Bah.

Whatever, I don't smoke anymore.

Texas and Steel

Just out of curiousity....why did you guys quit? Not trying to flame, but there must be some long-term effect or otherwise that made you want to quit. I mean I just gave up smoking cigarettes for New Years, and it hasn't been easy. However, I know the health risks involved and I want to be healthier, not to mention have a healthy baby someday soon.

Texas and Steel

Just out of curiousity....why did you guys quit? Not trying to flame, but there must be some long-term effect or otherwise that made you want to quit. I mean I just gave up smoking cigarettes for New Years, and it hasn't been easy. However, I know the health risks involved and I want to be healthier, not to mention have a healthy baby someday soon.
No health reason. I'm just getting older. I smoked b/c I enjoyed it a lot better than drinking. But its kind of lost its fun. I'm more paranoid about getting busted(since I've had close calls) and having to face probation than anything else. Plus, I'll be graduating in a year and a half or so and I need to get my act together before I do. If it was legal I'd still do it. As for babies, I know many people who smoked pot and got there gf pregnant and had very healthy babies. But they are also screw ups and still smoke. So go figure. I in no way take offense to what you say. We're all just stating our reasons here. And there's no wrong in that. :smile:

Texas and Steel

Just out of curiousity....why did you guys quit? Not trying to flame, but there must be some long-term effect or otherwise that made you want to quit. I mean I just gave up smoking cigarettes for New Years, and it hasn't been easy. However, I know the health risks involved and I want to be healthier, not to mention have a healthy baby someday soon.

My reasons are pretty similar to Texas's. It lost it's fun, plus i had a couple of close calls. I also dropped out of my old school to go to a new one, so I as well am getting my act together for real life. That's not to say I won't smoke it occasionaly, should the situation arise, but for the most part, I'm done. I have bigger fish to fry now. Same thing with drinking. I never drank very heavy in the first place, but now it's going to be a very rare occasion when I do.

after seeing what it can do to people, i'm sure i'll nver touch it.

I Say Lite Up :smokin:

i hjavnt smoekd in months cuz i get piss tested :(

To me, i think that the weed (marijuana) actually makes you more relaxed and calm and spaced-out kinda feeling where alcohol actually makes things worse. I feel sick. get cramps, start stumblin when im high on the limits of tolerance. But people want to do what they want to do so whatever. Dosent concern me unless it involves me.

I apoligize if anything I say in the next few lines has already been said, but i did not feel like reading 9 pages of opinions from people between the ages of 10 and 60. Weed is not something that everyone can relate too, thats why a lot of people in the thread are either strongly for it or against it. It makes the posts hard to read because you either strongly agree, or obviously disagree. Personally, I have been tokin up for the past 5-7 years, not everyday, but not less than once a weekend. There are the occasional weekends when I just can't do it, but then there are those weekdays that could you a little "fun" i guess you could say.

Basically weed has it's good aspects and it's not so good aspects. As most of you have already said, it is way better than alcohol in terms of the effect on your body. But there are a lot of other issues concerning weed that go way beyond the physical stand-point. Weed does effect your mind in the long run. It does make you a more "boring" person as some of you have already stated, and it does make you harder to talk to. I know this because I have noticed how much harder it is to make conversation with someone who has been smoking for a while, unless you talk about smoking.

Those anti drug commercials WORK. The first time I smoked, all i could think about was the look on my mothers face if she ever found it. The hardest part about smoking is the guilt that comes from it, and that guilt would never be around if you parents never told you weed was bad, or if you never saw a single commercial about it. Think about it, the only reason you feel bad about smoking is because you see those 5 kids in the car, pulling up to the mcdonalds window, screaming, "I want a cheesburger!", then driving away to hit a girl on a bike. Hmmm, now what if the commercial cut off before they even pulled away? Not so bad now is it. . .

I would hate to see weed become legalized for a couple reasons. Even though it would be cheaper, easier to get a hold of, and probably everywhere you look, leaglization would suck. Think about it this way; before ciggarettes, there was tobacco and a pipe. now, there is nicotine, xenalphite, rat poison. . . If weed became legalized, there would be hundreds of companys willing to put thousands of un-organic materials into it to make it more apealing to a user. Then the good, "real" stuff would cost more, because it would be a rarity. I like smoking pot straight in its purest form, no additives, no accesories, just some good ol tokin a bong weed. . .

I have a couple more theories but I don't really feel like typing them all night (see, weed makes you LAZY too). But basically, yea it bad for you in some ways, but its kind of like food. You are always craving it, you can go for more even if you don't need too, if it's in front of your face, your gonna eat it, but it doesnt fill your appetite.

I would hate to see weed become legalized for a couple reasons. Even though it would be cheaper, easier to get a hold of, and probably everywhere you look, leaglization would suck. Think about it this way; before ciggarettes, there was tobacco and a pipe. now, there is nicotine, xenalphite, rat poison. . . If weed became legalized, there would be hundreds of companys willing to put thousands of un-organic materials into it to make it more apealing to a user. Then the good, "real" stuff would cost more, because it would be a rarity. I like smoking pot straight in its purest form, no additives, no accesories, just some good ol tokin a bong weed. . .

dude, unless you grow it yourself that weed is already stepped all over and mixed with less quality bud, and covered in water then microwaved so it's fluffy but not heavy so it appears to be more than it really is. when you have buds hanging in you closet above a dehumidifer where you can just pick fresh lil niggts and put them in your bong, then it's in its purest form. one of the major reasons weed isn't legal is because coors and anheiser busch beer companies are the #1 leading contributors to the "partenership for a drug free America" if weed were legal beer sales would plummet.

and those antidrug commercials are rediculous. ever see the one where the little girl is playing by the pool? and the narrator says "just tell her parents you were busy getting high" how does that have to do with anything concerning marijuana? the kid could have been busy changing his motor oil, or typing on AF. if he stood there stoned and watched her drown i would understand. and there are waaay too many piggies at Mcdonalds so i doubt you'd be fucking around with the drivethrough and smoking. not to mention it's like 6 kids smoking one doob and they're all so smashed for some reason. and that same damn little girl rode her bicycle in front of the drivethrough like 6 times, she was asking to get hit. the only one that had somewhat of an impact was the one where the little kid is killed by his own brother and he's placing a picture of him by the accident site.

I couldn't help but chuckle at the idea that conversations like this are still going on and that people are still this naive and gullible to use all of their "hearsay" evidence to prove facts about a drug they have never done and have no personal experience doing. The idea that smoking marijuana injects the desire to tramp the streets looking for harder drugs is rediculous. If a person is curious about the effects of drugs, then they are curious about drugs; No drug injects that desire into a persons mind. The only reason MJ is the scapegoat for this "gateway drug" thing is that its the most widely used illegal drug and its the easiest one to get in most situations. I've done alot of drugs and MJ was the last one I got into on a regular basis. I personally started out with Ecstasy because it was around more at the time and I wanted to know what it was like to be on drugs. It turned out to be one of the best things I ever did for myself, and as for the person that says "These people have done so many drugs that they actually believe they are good for you", just because your personal opinion is narrow minded which makes you hate everything you dont understand, it doesnt mean that people arent responsible when they do drugs and take the time to research its effects, what to do and what not to do and just generally being smart about things and listening to what your body tells you. I've had nothing but good, and I might add, *very* beneficial long term effects from using drugs. MJ is the only one that I've stuck with up until now, but I'm sick of you people tryin to come up and use all these "government" facts and hearsay information when you have no idea what your talking about. No drug is a gateway drug so just knock that shit off. Might I remind you that the government might not be the best source of information considering that our government doesn't know how to tell the truth about anything. If honesty were introduced into our government, the economy would collapse. Get your "facts" somewhere else, and make sure they are right next time.



I also saw someone offer a theory as to why MJ was made illegal in the first place. Thanks to a show I saw on A&E a few times, I can tell you exactly what that reason was. Marijuana's popularity rose into the public eye during alcohol prohibition and it never went back down. People preferred MJ to alcohol because there were little to no negative effects associated with it as opposed to alcohol. At the time, the immigration problems from mexico were getting out of hand and they decided they had to do something about it. They found that the one common bond between all of these mexicans coming to the US had between them were that they all grew and/or smoked marijuana. The idea was on the table, now all they had to do was convince the public and the federal government that making a "weed" illegal wasn't as stupid as it sounded. Then came the commercials: "Pot makes you go crazy" ... "Pot makes you kill people" ... "Pot makes you go out and commit crimes" ... "Pot makes you beat your mother over the head with a frying pan cause she said to go to your room" .. that kinda bullshit; and you don't need to look very far today to see that its still going on. These TV commercials scared the public into thinking that MJ was a bad drug, and therefore became illegal followed by the Marijuana Stamp Act. The Marijuana Stamp Act basically says that in order to possess marijuana legally, you must get one of these stamps from the government first. The only problem with this was that the stamps were never produced and because you had to show up to get the stamp with MJ in hand, these people were just thrown into jail because they were already breaking the law just by having the pot on them. It tricked thousands of people into jail. That is why marijuana was made illegal in the first place and it pisses me off. The only thing keeping this going is that people still keep believing this shit today.

Marijuana doesn't make you stupid or lazy, however stupid and lazy people smoke pot. It's not that it makes you lazy, its just when your high, you realize that doing those things just arent worth the fucking effort. :) Matter of fact, marijuana generally appeals to intellegent people who are interested in going beyond the normal bounds of thinking.

More about these commercials; I can't believe some of you don't see how desperate they are to get people to stop. Where's all these facts that tell how bad of a drug MJ is in these commercials? They literally have to make things up or exxagerate things or even take what people have done on alcohol and use that in a pot commercial. Open your fucking eyes people. Did you not even notice that not even a week after 9/11, there were commercials on TV saying that anyone that bought marijuana helped to fund the terrorists that flew planes into our buildings and killed our people. Not even a week after!! This is being desperate and not having the facts. Same with D.A.R.E, the government uses scare tactics to deter people from drugs instead of facts, which they have none of. Then, there's commercials that say that a young girl got pregnant when she smoked pot; yeah, as if that doesn't happen without the help of pot. This is more of an alcohol thing because pot does not make you that stupid that you don't know what your doing. People seem to confuse the effects of alcohol with the effects of pot and thats not fair because there is no comparison; one is much safer and much more controlled than the other is.



I've only seen one legitimate argument against MJ legalization and it was a good point; look at all the added chemicals put into cigarettes now, which are no doubt what causes lung cancer from cigarette smoking. I mean these chemicals are only... what.. radioactive?? Just like the fertilizers that are used on the plants while they are growing. I don't want to see this happen to pot and quite frankly, the government doesn't deserve the tax dollars from it for all the shit they've put people through over this, but I guess if it's also legal to cultivate, then I'm all for legalization.

You people go on saying how MJ has killed people due to DWI. No, this is what happens with DRUNK driving. Probably not likely, which is once again, a false similarity drawn between alcohol and pot. It's easy to drive on pot. I can hardly walk when I'm drunk, but I could get as stoned as I could get and still be able to walk straight lines. It doesn't "Overmedicate" so to speak; you are always in control of what your doing and for the most part, its easy to block out the effects if you have to. Smoking pot does not kill brain cells and in fact, THC acts as an antioxidant and actually protects your brain cells rather than kill them. Do your fucking research people. There have been studies that prove marijuana protects against brain damage from stroke, heart attacks, and nerve gas. Therefore, your argument for brain damage is out the fucking window. So for the last time, pot does not cause brain damage.

It amazes me how everyone yells about how dangerous marijuana is, yet the 2 most dangerous toxins known to the human body are already legal; Alcohol and Nicotine. Alcohol kills in upwards of 350,000 people a year; tobacco about 150,000, and all illegal drugs combined kill under 10,000 people yearly, most of them could be prevented by simply educating people on truth instead of scare tactics. (erowid.com has reliable information about drugs; mad props to this site!). Marijuana has no long term negative side effects *assuming* that this person does not abuse the drug. There is a common misconception among people who haven't done drugs that anyone who uses drugs is an addict. There are many factors that play into this. It doesn't matter what drug you do or even how often you use it, but rather the degree to which you let it run your life and your ability to function normally without it. I have nothing but utter contempt for anyone addicted to drugs. It's the addicts that make the users look bad.


Marijuana also does not cause lung cancer and the main evidence for this fact is that.. well.. its a medicine for cancer patients! Now, I know america is fucked up beyond repair, but I dont think that even this country is fucked up to the point where we are giving patients medicine thats going to give them more cancer and worsen their condition. That's easy enough to prove.

And as a last little bit of incentive against MJ causing brain damage, our brain has cannibinoid receptors specifically designed to absorb the very active chemicals that are found in marijuana. ***Marijuana is the only known plant in the world that has a high enough concentration of these cannibinoids to have an effect.*** So you see, the brain already knows what to do with these cannibinoids. God knew what he was doing when he made pot for us; its still au natural, just like mushrooms. And no, tobacco in cigarettes is not natural because of the chemicals added. Marijuana is used without *ANY* additives and thats surely what the government will be doing to it if they are allowed to tax and sell it to us. They'll make it cause cancer just so they can say "I told you so". Fuck it.



"The active chemical agent in marijuana curbs the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice and may also suppress the immunity reaction that causes rejection of organ transplants, a Medical College of Virginia team has discovered." The researchers "found that THC slowed the growth of lung cancers, breast cancers, and a virus-induced leukemia in laboratory mice, and prolonged their lives by as much as 36 percent."-- in the "Local" section of The Washington Post on Aug.18,1974.

I'm going to wing it and guess the next post after mine. I wonder how close I'll get.

(Mod's name):
Welcome to AF you_guys_are_funny please read the guide rules and don't bring up year old threads. Thanks.

well then the year old threads no one is supposed to reply to shouldnt even be on here then should they? they still come up in a yahoo search and anyone can still post on them. delete the thread then *shrugs* lol

well then the year old threads no one is supposed to reply to shouldnt even be on here then should they? they still come up in a yahoo search and anyone can still post on them. delete the thread then *shrugs* lol

Well, there is such a thing as forum etiquette, and part of that etiquette is to not bring up year old threads, regardless of whether yahoo's search finds them or not.