DTM 1992 #3 Sonax Boss Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 Evo2

nascarfreak

04-07-2017, 01:49 PM

Johan_SWE

04-08-2017, 07:49 AM

Great start to the build!

Myself I have been busy building the same car, also from 1992, but from Zakspeed.
Mine will be the Kurt Thiim Diebels Alt machine.
I spent many hours doing the interior... two years and counting on this build.

I gave up the first plan to make the engine, was going to CAD it and have a 3D printed version added, but failed to get good reference images of the engine outside of the engine bay.
For that reason you idea to use the ESCI 2.3l engine is brilliant.

Could you please add some more images of the engine (without the air filter fitted)?
Either here or PM me.
Would love to have some measurements and images to base my engine on :licka:.
The future holds the 1991 Ellen Lohr Mercedes and the same one you are building currently; the 1992 champion of Klaus Ludwig.
Might add an engine to one or both of them.

Best Regards,
Johan

lovegt40

04-08-2017, 01:45 PM

great model Henrik. I like a lot your wips.
Have the same kit, still untouched. I will use wheels and part of the interiors from mercedes tamiya c-klasse dtm. Interesting the idea to keep under parts from esci model of the street car.

What do you think about the overall dimensions of this model? I heard some modellers saying is undersized, specially in fnders. Would like to know your opinion.

keep on postin´this great work.

nascarfreak

04-13-2017, 02:40 PM

gasdriverca

04-13-2017, 06:59 PM

Nice!!!

nascarfreak

04-17-2017, 02:14 PM

Starting with putty and sanding on the driver side.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/96/6156296/3434653730336136.jpg

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lovegt40

04-18-2017, 05:25 AM

think anyway the nice work uýou are doing Henrick is perfect for the evo2, as u correctly named it.
Probably fujimi kit is ok for evo1 car. I checked my reference for front fenders to see the differences and i found those:

evo1, lower front fenders
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Johan_SWE

04-18-2017, 12:48 PM

I have to correct you here;
The first two images are of the Evo II, the one at the Mercedes museum is the 1992 championship winning car Klaus Ludwig used.
The Berlin 2000 and Sonax images at the bottom of your post are the 1993 version, a type of hybrid Class 1 Touring car that Mercedes raced before the C-class was introduced in 1994.

An Evo I had a much lower rear wing.
Here is an example of a Evo I from 1989:
http://mb190e16v.com/Mercedes/Foto%20racing/DTM/1989/1%20Ludwig%2008.jpg

Here is an Evo II from 1991:
http://mb190e16v.com/Mercedes/Foto%20racing/DTM/1991/7%20Thiim%2004.jpg

Finally here is the 1993 Class 1 Mercedes 190:
http://mb190e16v.com/Mercedes/Foto%20racing/DTM/1993/2%20Lohr%2001.jpg

lovegt40

04-18-2017, 01:57 PM

Tack johan.
I spent two hours looking my 190 here and I think there is also something mistaken in A pillar . Looking at driver side windows the proportion of the glass, compared to the door dimensions looks much bigger than fujimi kit. And don't really think is a matter of thickness if the frames...

Matwej

04-19-2017, 01:48 AM

Paolo is right. Fujimi model is not good. Better is to use Esci model and what is necessary to move from Fujimi. As already mentioned, the roof Fujimi Mercedes is not good. Cirka(cca) 2 mm high is missing. Fujimi to equalize the height of the door. These in turn are higher. But you can fix it. It must cut off the threshold of the door and glue it above. You then need to make a new line of doors.

I want build this:
http://forum.paddockmag.com/download/file.php?id=8509&mode=view/elohr_mer.jpg
http://staticaf.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/smile.gif Decals alredy I have :
http://forum.paddockmag.com/download/file.php?id=13680&mode=view/DSCN7944.jpg

lovegt40

04-19-2017, 06:14 AM

exactly Matwej. More I look at pictures now more I think the front a pillar must be increased..starting to saw mine there, and hope this helps also our henrik that is always precise on shapes.
It seems also the line of the roof is not parallel to the bend line on the doors.. as clear here (look carefully side windows and fujimi bodypart)

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Matwej

04-19-2017, 02:28 PM

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/Mathaus/DSCN7944_S.jpg
It's not exactly, but I think it's enough. Errors are visible here. Red line model and blue line real car. It is also possible to see that the model is short. Both the front and the back.I bring Esci Mercedes 190E 2,5,16v from the warehouse and try to compare it.
:smooch:
:)

lovegt40

04-20-2017, 06:02 AM

yep, lifting the roof as for the olf fujimi m3 is absolutely necessary. the line changes drastically. It is also very precise that 2 mm u said..

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E46nm52

04-22-2017, 04:12 PM

This looks awesome. It will be cool to have this next to the m3 e30 dtm.

nascarfreak

04-30-2017, 01:48 PM

Matwej

05-01-2017, 03:18 PM

I promised to compare 1/24 ESCI MB190E and real. I am surprised myself.
Look:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/Mathaus/Foto%201/DSCN5372.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/Mathaus/Foto%201/DSCN5372_o.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/Mathaus/Foto%201/DSCN5372_oo.jpg

lovegt40

05-01-2017, 06:32 PM

Esci tail looks totally mistaken, and in my opinion Fujimi body is also too narrow.
I already cut the 4 fenders and enlarged all theme for 0.75 on each side. More I look at Fujimi body more I think there is to cut. Next step will be the front bumper. Will not post pics here not to dirt Henrik nice thread.

nascarfreak

05-02-2017, 02:12 AM

@lovegt40: no problem, you can post your pics here....:)

Matwej

05-03-2017, 04:27 AM

So I'm sorry. I just wanted to support my thesis that Esci is better.
I think the ground plan is better than Fujimi.But It does not matter. You both do a great job. Pleasure to watch.
:smokin:

nascarfreak

05-11-2017, 03:20 PM

corrrado

05-18-2017, 02:07 PM

Great work on this Mercedes!

johanthemodeler

05-19-2017, 03:18 PM

great job. You should cast it as a tk for us that don´t have the talent to do the same work can get a correct body :)

lovegt40

05-30-2017, 05:18 PM

coming real nice Henrick.

I think there is (maybe) still something missing in lenght of the front bumper. Look carefully the pic of the comparison to the autoart model. It looks quite longer.
Also the inner lower part of the front wheel arch probably must be changed. take a look , maybe is just my foolness :) or maybe not ..

nascarfreak

06-03-2017, 11:10 AM

Niro750

06-04-2017, 12:09 AM

Very nice work and great thread to follow

das_auto

07-26-2017, 12:55 AM

Some serious plastic surgery going on here. Very good work!
Looking forward to seeing more. :thumbsup:

lovegt40

07-26-2017, 05:28 AM

Henrik where will you get the engine from this?

racer1

08-03-2017, 01:49 PM

very nice build

nascarfreak

05-21-2018, 10:51 AM

nascarfreak

06-26-2018, 02:14 AM

nascarfreak

07-08-2018, 01:16 PM

chris24

07-10-2018, 08:53 AM

Love it !

is200_adelaide

07-10-2018, 08:42 PM

This is turning out awesome!

360spider

07-10-2018, 09:54 PM

Looks really good, love these old DTM bruisers and you did an awesome job on this car so far. Great livery too!
Are these kit wheels or did I miss it?

lovegt40

07-15-2018, 06:09 AM

I still like a lot this Mercedes....if only we all could have a less difficult way to build it...

Johan_SWE

07-16-2018, 06:31 AM

Looks great so far!

F1-Fan

07-29-2018, 08:03 AM

Nice!

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