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What is going on with Tamiya ?


viperofoz
05-20-2015, 08:09 AM
I have recently noticed that Tamiya car kits seem to be in really short supply at some online retailers.
Check out HLJ for example, ALL 1/20 kits are out of stock or back ordered and its pretty much the same for the 1/24 kits too, there only seems to be about 5 or 6 kits available and they are marked as "low stock".

I tried to order a few 1/20 F1 kits from one of my favourite Japanese online stores a couple of weeks ago (Banzai Hobbies) and my order was cancelled twice saying that the items were not available.
A week later they had removed ALL of their Tamiya car and bike kits from their site. I messaged them and was told they were having supplier issues and didn't know if they would be selling them again.

anyone know what the issue is?

Regards, Dan

MidMazar
05-20-2015, 09:12 PM
Fukishima? Maybe a financial collapse in the works soon?

GTRfan01
05-21-2015, 01:41 AM
Nothing official I can tell you but I dont think there's anything to worry about.
They just released a few new ones and they are available on pre order from some japanese sites so surely if they were in trouble they wouldnt be designing and releasing new stuff?

I noticed 1999.co .jp have about 5-6 pages of instock 1/24 kits so maybe just an issue with HLJ??

ZoomZoomMX-5
05-21-2015, 09:14 AM
The only issue is that HLJ doesn't have a lot in stock, but if you order something it usually comes in very quickly. A lot of people are afraid to order something not in stock. That used to be a problem before the private warehouse deal came along. It totally changes the game, because of the comfort of knowing they will attempt to get the stuff in a timely manner (and usually do), and then you have 60 days to ship after they have it in stock in your private warehouse.

I ordered a couple new-ish but out of stock kits from them late winter/early spring (Gazoo Racing Toyota 86 & BRZ Street Custom), and they were in my private warehouse in 2 days.

Sunday I ordered a couple of sets of Tabu decals, one set showing out of stock everywhere I checked (aside from one very overpriced set on Ebay), and "long sold out" on Hobby Search. Both sets hit my private warehouse overnight. I could have been impatient and ordered from eBay vendors, and paid 2-3X as much.

I don't worry much anymore if something isn't in stock at HLJ. You don't pay until it's in stock, and if it's available, they'll have it very quickly.

tonioseven
05-21-2015, 11:26 AM
Tamiya had a decent presence at the Shizuoka Hobby Show...

http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/05/inside-japans-best-hobby-show/

viperofoz
05-22-2015, 02:06 AM
Thanks guys.
I wasn't suggesting Tamiya was in financial trouble or anything silly like that, just wondering if they might have been having distribution or supply issues.
I currently have a 1/20 Lotus 99T on back order at HLJ, it has just taken a lot longer than usual to come in, plenty of other items have turned up in my private warehouse in the meantime... including a whole pile of aftermarket stuff for the 99T... just not the kit itself yet..lol
That's OK, its not like I have nothing else to build.

Regards, Dan

hirofkd
05-22-2015, 02:59 AM
It's just a matter of luck (or bad lack in this case), that HLJ's distributor doesn't have the Lotus 99T kit. Plenty of Amazon USA affiliates have it, so it should be in production and distribution.
Your observation about longer waiting time is correct. Aoshima blog repeatedly urges customers to pre-order as soon as information (about any new kit or reissue) comes out, because the per-lot production has got smaller and smaller because the Japanese distributors don't carry several months of supply any more. So if you want to buy something between production cycles, you'll end up waiting longer than before.

willimo
05-25-2015, 11:19 AM
That's a really interesting note, hirofkd

viperofoz
06-03-2015, 12:23 PM
I just went to check on the (lack of) progress of my order at HLJ, thought I might add another kit but noticed HLJ's usual 20% discount on Tamiya has dropped to 5%.
I wonder if they were waiting for their Tamiya stocks to clear out before upping the prices?

Looks like I'm off to ami-ami.

Regards, Dan

*EDIT : I just checked ami-ami and all of their Tamiya kits are "unavailable" and have no prices listed. I guess it must be Tamiya themselves increasing prices.

ZoomZoomMX-5
06-03-2015, 02:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if HLJ's 20% discounts evaporate across the board pretty soon. The yen has taken a beating. Couple that with rising prices and less discounts, the sales will be less...and there will be less $$ invested in new kits. Not a good sign...but it's been fun while it lasted.

A few weeks back I noticed HLJ not publishing the discount as a percent, but in yen. At the time I figured this was their way of attempting a price increase that wasn't quite so obvious, and voila...it's happening.

Modelstate
06-20-2015, 07:50 AM
"Couple that with rising prices and less discounts, the sales will be less..."I noticed there exchange prices go up too and still they had a picture and text in there mail that the Yen has never been so low (asked them if that wasn't a constriction but it's still there).
Don't like it at all that all over the place everything is getting more expensive.

Tamiya makes such good kits and I want even more :naughty: even though I can't even finish the ones I have now in my lifetime :runaround:

TheStashProject
06-29-2015, 05:07 PM
Everyone who had pre-ordered a Toyoda AA from HLJ should have been billed in the past hour or so, and even with a 5% vs. 20% discount and PayPal's less than transparent exchange rate (although I'd rather "pay" them than get dinged by my bank) the AA came out to $22.80.

For a new tool kit, I'm not going to argue over a couple of bucks, as I'd like to continue to get new tool kits. Also that HLJ price means you could buy TWO of them and ship them and come pretty close to beating the U.S. MSRP of $53.

Niro750
07-16-2015, 05:24 AM
Recently I watched a video from some show, Tamiya are not happy at hlj etc... Selling kits overseas well below the rrp in that region. It's affecting business for distributors there. They promised to fix that scenario so that's probably what's going on.

chris24
07-16-2015, 08:15 AM
Recently I watched a video from some show, Tamiya are not happy at hlj etc... Selling kits overseas well below the rrp in that region. It's affecting business for distributors there. They promised to fix that scenario so that's probably what's going on.

Oh really ? :iceslolan I suggest them to fix THAT scenario : how is it that europeans have to pay twice (at least) the price of what Asians and others pay ? Shipping ? Translation ? Taxes ? Come on...
Or maybe they have really hungry distributors ? Twenty percent more would be fair, not 100 percent.
A kit ordered in Japan, even with shipping, taxes, import duties costs far less than at the local shop. :crying:

Some_Kid
07-16-2015, 08:59 AM
Really wish they would restock their replacement parts. I've beeded a new glass parts tree for the Tamiya Supra (93) for a year now and they still haven't restocked.

TheStashProject
07-16-2015, 09:19 AM
Adjusting for the weakened Yen, sure I can accept that. Adjusting because people would rather pay $40 for a LaFerrari from HLJ than $92 for it at their U.S. Hobby Shop? That's just ridiculous. Especially since there's no duty/tariff on importing kits to the U.S. Also consider there's a less gooder Revell AG version of the LaFerrari you can get in a Revell U.S. box for under $30. That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

They might "bluster" a little bit to make whiny distributors feel better, but in the end every penny (or Yen) that HLJ, or 1999, or HobbyEasy makes is going directly back to Tamiya as a sold unit. In the end I don't think Tamiya much cares HOW you buy their product, so long as you buy their product.

MPWR
07-16-2015, 12:27 PM
Just got the 300SL and the new 2CV from HLJ. Best as I can tell, Tamiya is still awesome.

nascar49
07-16-2015, 06:54 PM
Recently I watched a video from some show, Tamiya are not happy at hlj etc... Selling kits overseas well below the rrp in that region. It's affecting business for distributors there. They promised to fix that scenario so that's probably what's going on.

Quote your source please?

So are saying that they are going to go after all the Ebay sellers as well?, and make them stop selling to the USA ?

stevenoble
07-17-2015, 05:37 PM
Recently I watched a video from some show, Tamiya are not happy at hlj etc... Selling kits overseas well below the rrp in that region. It's affecting business for distributors there. They promised to fix that scenario so that's probably what's going on.

I would imagine that Tamiya sell their kits to the trade sellers at a set price. I don't think for example they charge more for a kit going to the USA than to the UK. They will both pay "Trade price" It's the regional distributers that add their markup and that dictates the final price. If Tamiya sell 1000 kits to HLJ they get their price, if they sell 1000 kits to the UK they get their price. I would think it would be the distributers who are hurt if people buy from HLJ instead of them, because they lose their markup and profit. Answer is to sell the kits cheaper to compete..

Niro750
07-19-2015, 04:55 PM
I would imagine that Tamiya sell their kits to the trade sellers at a set price. I don't think for example they charge more for a kit going to the USA than to the UK. They will both pay "Trade price" It's the regional distributers that add their markup and that dictates the final price. If Tamiya sell 1000 kits to HLJ they get their price, if they sell 1000 kits to the UK they get their price. I would think it would be the distributers who are hurt if people buy from HLJ instead of them, because they lose their markup and profit. Answer is to sell the kits cheaper to compete..

That's basically what I took from said video. Like most businesses prices will be negotiated on differing factors like how many units are purchased etc... but rrp is there to keep the shops from taking the Michael and smaller ones losing out even more which is fair enough. Hlj etc... Are hurting our local business and probably even our online ones too with their pricing.

Niro750
07-19-2015, 04:57 PM
Quote your source please?

So are saying that they are going to go after all the Ebay sellers as well?, and make them stop selling to the USA ?


If I can find it when I get home I will pop up a link. It was a random YouTube video from Japan model show this year with an American guy who spoke Japanese as well - to the best of my knowledge.

I was only intending to be helpful by chiming in, it wasn't speculative bs on my part.

hirofkd
07-24-2015, 03:00 AM
I think Tamiya has already taken action. None of the recent car kits are available at AmiAmi, even though AmiAmi's Japanese web store has them in stock.

Bandai handed over the export of Gundam kits to Bluefin. I think it's just a matter of time for Tamiya to find an independent US distributor, and reduce its operation to customer support and R/C event hosting etc.

viperofoz
07-24-2015, 04:03 AM
Yes, Tamiya has already taken action against parallel importers/sellers of their products in Australia.

AmiAmi's Tamiya stock is "unavailable" and HLJ appears to have not restocked any older items, they only seem to have some of the more recent releases.... presumably only available due to pre orders place before this.

From my point of view (in Australia, at least) Tamiya needs to make a SERIOUS overhaul of their current distribution network. The lack of supply and restocking of items, the absolutely ridiculous pricing mark-ups and just general availability of their products is just appalling.

At the current rate I will be buying zero Tamiya kits if I cant get them from overseas suppliers at realistic prices.
$110 for an 1/20 RB6 (if you can find one) as opposed to $45 mail order..... luckily I have a pretty decent stash already.

Regards, Dan

KC27
07-24-2015, 05:26 AM
I've had a few dealings with the UK distributor (The Hobby Company in MK) when buying replacement parts and they are great. Fast responses, no problem getting obscure bits and pieces and their pricing is very reasonable, often lower than buying spare sprues from eBay. If I could selfishly ask one thinig of Tamiya it would be to release more in the F1 1/12 category. So many iconic cars which only ever made it to 1/20 or not at all. Really need to be 1/12 to do proper justice. KC

GTRfan01
07-24-2015, 07:51 AM
From my point of view (in Australia, at least) Tamiya needs to make a SERIOUS overhaul of their current distribution network. The lack of supply and restocking of items, the absolutely ridiculous pricing mark-ups and just general availability of their products is just appalling.

At the current rate I will be buying zero Tamiya kits if I cant get them from overseas suppliers at realistic prices.
$110 for an 1/20 RB6 (if you can find one) as opposed to $45 mail order..... luckily I have a pretty decent stash already.

Regards, Dan

exactly! Australian retail pricing is roughly double Japanese retail prices, i can understand a bit higher pricing for all the costs uncured and the distributor making a few bucks but it's just ridiculous. and it's not just tamiya.....
reduce your markups guys or you won't sell any! I know i cant afford to buy them at those prices.
i do buy some locally but usually i cant....

stevenoble
07-24-2015, 10:15 AM
To be honest I cannot even remember the last Tamiya kit I purchased..?? They haven't released much in F1 in recent years and certainly nothing in 1/24th rally for many years, I think the last car from the WRC was the Peugeot 307 and that was ages ago. You'd think they'd appreciate any sales they can get. Stopping the likes of HLJ from selling kits to other markets will only hurt them in my opinion and reduce their sales. They should concentrate on making some new kits, not re-releasing their back catalogue. I wouldn't mind if they released some of the older ones I actually wanted. Ford Sierra Cosworth, Ford Escort Cosworth to name but two...

SmokeyR67
07-24-2015, 01:50 PM
exactly! Australian retail pricing is roughly double Japanese retail prices, i can understand a bit higher pricing for all the costs uncured and the distributor making a few bucks but it's just ridiculous. and it's not just tamiya.....
reduce your markups guys or you won't sell any! I know i cant afford to buy them at those prices.
i do buy some locally but usually i cant....

And it's not going to get any better in the near future - soon we'll be paying GST on imports so that will take a little pressure of local retailers, then (if the current Govt gets re-elected) we'll be paying 15% GST,

I'm all for paying a bit extra to my LHS to be able to inspect the kit before purchase, but yes, the huge markup most Australian retailers impose are a step too far for me, so even if the costs of importing a kit go up, it'll still be well worth my while to order in from overseas.

thijs37
08-28-2015, 12:44 AM
Recently I watched a video from some show, Tamiya are not happy at hlj etc... Selling kits overseas well below the rrp in that region. It's affecting business for distributors there. They promised to fix that scenario so that's probably what's going on.

I was watching "Florrymodels" youtube review episode on Tamiya's "mosquito" 1/32 review
in that video he says Tamiya are having issues with whole sellers, selling their stuff under the reccomended price on Ebay! he did not say anything about HLJ!?

chris24
08-28-2015, 06:25 AM
I was watching "Florrymodels" youtube review episode on Tamiya's "mosquito" 1/32 review
in that video he says Tamiya are having issues with whole sellers, selling their stuff under the reccomended price on Ebay! he did not say anything about HLJ!?

I don't understand : a sold item is a sold item (for Tamiya). And don't tell me eBay sellers don't take their margin...
And by the way, what do you think is more of a problem for a company:
1) a retailer who sells lots of kits at $40 each, or
2) a retailer who's complaining for not selling those same kits at $90 each ?

lovegt40
08-28-2015, 08:06 AM
question is....what is the meaning of a local retailer (read third part making money without ANY real work) in 2015?

I can only hope there will always be some guy in HK or China selling stuff at good price on ebay or on other platforms.
And my money will go there...otherwise I make them by myside, or simply skip the subject. have too many experience and tales from this reality that nowadays they seems only stuff coming from the 15th century.

nascar49
08-28-2015, 05:45 PM
Aoshima wants , or would like us in the USA to buy kits locally as well, in a prior conversation with someone that works at Aoshima , that was mentioned to me , that is why Aoshima does some kits with two different versions , one for the home market, one for the export market.

Example, the McLaren Longtail kit they issues, it was the one without any race decals, the home market kit was the one with the black car box art, the export was the orange car box art, now the difference in the kits was, the export kit had optional parts for the cars when they raced at Le Mans.

And they did the same with the Lamborghini Murcielago Superveloce kit, the export version came with the big SV decals for the side, where as the home market kit did not have the big SV decals, they did that on purpose to entice people to buy the kits locally and not import them.

jano11
08-28-2015, 06:21 PM
It's hilarious how these companies are not able to get on with the time and with the globalized market.
Most people will always go for the cheapest solution when they get similar amounts and quality.
Same for the local hobby shops, for example in Europe, there is a reason they go broke, because they just can't adjust to the market needs. Those who do, will survive, as for the rest 'good riddance'.

nascar49
08-28-2015, 07:13 PM
It's hilarious how these companies are not able to get on with the time and with the globalized market.
Most people will always go for the cheapest solution when they get similar amounts and quality.
Same for the local hobby shops, for example in Europe, there is a reason they go broke, because they just can't adjust to the market needs. Those who do, will survive, as for the rest 'good riddance'.

You see that very much with the American part of the Hobby, so many old timers swear off the internet where they could save a lot of money, to only complain about the prices of kits buying them from their local hobby shop.

The hobby at least here in the US seems to be very much stuck in the past when it comes to a lot things.

liya_leacree
08-28-2015, 08:26 PM
WHAT A DISAPPORINT SHOP. HOPE THEY CAN RECOVER VERY SOON, AND YOU CAN FIND WHAT YOU WANT TO USE FOR YOUR BUILD. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE YOUR EXCELLENT WORK. Good luck.

viperofoz
08-29-2015, 04:32 AM
Aoshima wants , or would like us in the USA to buy kits locally as well, in a prior conversation with someone that works at Aoshima , that was mentioned to me , that is why Aoshima does some kits with two different versions , one for the home market, one for the export market.

Example, the McLaren Longtail kit they issues, it was the one without any race decals, the home market kit was the one with the black car box art, the export was the orange car box art, now the difference in the kits was, the export kit had optional parts for the cars when they raced at Le Mans.

And they did the same with the Lamborghini Murcielago Superveloce kit, the export version came with the big SV decals for the side, where as the home market kit did not have the big SV decals, they did that on purpose to entice people to buy the kits locally and not import them.

Not quite correct...... The McLaren doesn't include any extra parts over the regular version, it only has an additional very small CF decal sheet.

I think its a great idea by Aoshima but unfortunately the bonus items are not enough to entice me to pay more than double the price.

Regards, Dan

nascar49
08-30-2015, 12:17 AM
Not quite correct...... The McLaren doesn't include any extra parts over the regular version, it only has an additional very small CF decal sheet.

I think its a great idea by Aoshima but unfortunately the bonus items are not enough to entice me to pay more than double the price.

Regards, Dan

I am talking about the same kit, one is the overseas edition, one is the JDM kit, anyways, its been a long time now since I had that conversation , but you are right about the decals , I did forget about those.

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