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Eighty1 Rotiform Set wheel review


cjsbosox
01-18-2015, 07:00 PM
I must admit that I'm a wheel hoarder. While most shop for kits, I look for wheels. I love wheels. Especially good looking wheels. To me, they make or break a car. Wheels require thought and dare I say....taste. Now I understand that each one can do what they like with their car, model or real. But if it's out for display, opinions will fly. Put spinners on a Ferrari or Volk GT-C on a hot rod, and you're asking for it :shakehead

I refuse to start a project until I have a set or two picked out. And that's where our community used to run into issues. For my part I find myself wanting modern options that Aoshima and others seem to miss. These days we have a good amount of aftermarket options. Or do we? Hobby Design has picked up the slack rather well. Others such as Eighty1 and C1 have joined in, but based on their own website pictures, I stayed away. Some time has now passed and so I decided to try a set, figuring that by now they have improved their process and quality. Well let's see....

I ordered a set from Eighty1.
http://www.eightyone81.com/rm034-rotiform-sna-rimset/
The staggered set came with tires. I was so excited when they arrived! So I quickly opened the package and.....
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/538/RY7CGC.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/eyRY7CGCj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/537/XsFShx.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/exXsFShxj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/537/inRELj.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/exinRELjj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/912/WMjl6L.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/pcWMjl6Lj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/537/SR0WnD.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/exSR0WnDj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/540/yB8elW.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/f0yB8elWj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/673/YstOdp.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/ipYstOdpj)
Now I don't know about you, but I feel as though I was robbed. They have over 30 wheel sets available by now, so poor quality like this is unacceptable. These things need so much work it's funny. It will take me at least a day to fix these things. How can they offer such a poor product??? I don't understand how people will get on Facebook and talk about how great the product is. I will give them credit for trying, but 30 plus sets in and you give us this? I just started working in a prototyping, mold and casting company. And I can confidently say that I would get fired if I shipped out parts looking like this. To think I paid $15 for this.

I would suggest they keep their horrible tires, fix this bad product and lower the cost. I can't tell anyone to not buy from them. But at least you have been warned.

Keep on building AF!

lovegt40
01-18-2015, 08:11 PM
Just I can say I am like you. I love wheels too, in the same way. Have a full box of any spare possible,mostly german style.
Wheels and tires change a model from day to night. wheels and setup is my obsession.

Sad you had this unfortunate experience with those wheels.I still wonder why plastic manifacturers dont make more sets in 1/24 scale like fujimi and aoshima already do.In plastic they will come nicer and cheaper just.

cjsbosox
01-18-2015, 08:58 PM
I must apologize about the pics. I was on my tablet when posted them. This is better

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7462/16287992046_e17652068d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qPjdz5)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/16128071937_fef4fbf5ff_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qzbzTP)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16313932105_a376cfac02_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qRBaDt)
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7559/16313931715_8ca053fee4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qRBawK)

BVC500
01-18-2015, 11:21 PM
Amateur hour! The best aftermarket wheels I've seen (and bought) were produced by FG Models, which I don't think is in business any longer. The nice thing about them is that they produced the alternative stock wheels available on cars. And they were made to easily fit tamiya, fujimi, revell, etc.

Hemi Killer
01-18-2015, 11:32 PM
I saw these it looks like you can see printing lines all over. Look at the second picture of this set also. A little sketchy. What a bummer

http://www.eightyone81.com/rm023-iforged-milano-rimset/

RonCla
01-18-2015, 11:55 PM
Its always disappointing to see quality like that even when you aren't the one paying for it.

I recently got a set of C1 wheels and their quality wouldn't be any better than your Eighty1s.

I've had some Hobby Design parts in the past that left a lot to be desired but what I've purchased from them recently has been excellent. Lets hope C1 and Eighty1 can lift their game like Hobby Design has.

Mr Plumb
01-19-2015, 01:36 AM
I may be going against the grain here but I have yet to have a product from 81 in that condition. My advice would be to email Thomas Wong at Eightyone and express your frustrations, he will happily rectify the issue I'm sure

turbos86
01-19-2015, 02:18 AM
My experience with 81 is that it really depends on the batch. Sometimes it's totally worth the money, and at the odd times you get what you see in this thread. Luckily customer service is pretty good and problems are always resolved quickly.

I'm quite satisfy with the quality and selections from both 81 and C1. Most wheels and parts arrive with minimum extra flesh. I also agree that Hobby Design has upped their game since 2014.

sportracer02
01-19-2015, 06:36 AM
Hi,

I also ordered parts from 81, the wheels were done better, but not round at all, or better: they were oval. I got replacement within short time, better, not perfect.

It seems that parts are done in a hurry, no look for the quality of the parts before sending them to a customer.

@ BVC500: who is FG Models, never heard about them

RonCla
01-19-2015, 05:01 PM
Hi,

I also ordered parts from 81, the wheels were done better, but not round at all, or better: they were oval. I got replacement within short time, better, not perfect.

It seems that parts are done in a hurry, no look for the quality of the parts before sending them to a customer.

@ BVC500: who is FG Models, never heard about them

FG Models is a Korean company. The quality of the products i've purchased is impeccable. Unfortunately they no longer seem to be active.

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/Roncla/10180878a_zps7788b716.jpg (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/Roncla/media/10180878a_zps7788b716.jpg.html)

cjsbosox
01-19-2015, 08:03 PM
My advice would be to email Thomas Wong at Eightyone and express your frustrations, he will happily rectify the issue I'm sure

My experience with 81 is that it really depends on the batch. Sometimes it's totally worth the money, and at the odd times you get what you see in this thread. Luckily customer service is pretty good and problems are always resolved quickly.
.

Thanks Mr Plumb and turbos86. Though it's nice, as customers we shouldn't have to deal with such poor quality. Especially when they have over 30 wheel sets by now. So I don't buy the whole batch thing. As a small company, they should have quality control down.


Hi,

I also ordered parts from 81, the wheels were done better, but not round at all, or better: they were oval. I got replacement within short time, better, not perfect.

It seems that parts are done in a hurry, no look for the quality of the parts before sending them to a customer.

@ BVC500: who is FG Models, never heard about them

Sorry to hear that sportracer02. They seemed rushed to me also.
By the way, here are some FG wheels, which were a much better product. Keep in mind I added the dish.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1120696

I will contact them to see what they say. I'll post the outcome

willimo
01-19-2015, 10:08 PM
Yikes, those are bad. I can understand how disappointed you were. I would have been, too, especially after having the good luck I've had with Eightyone81. I have ordered a lot of stuff from him, and while quality has been hit or miss in my experience, it has been mostly hit, with the misses not being as bad as that one.

Here is a picture (left to right, top to bottom) of their CCW classic (two pieces and fantastic), Fifteen52 Tarmac (a copy of something Tamiya being passed off as a Tarmac, I think), the Rotoform LHR which has been the lowest quality part I've gotten from them (but anyone would struggle with a resin casting like that), Mugen M7 (two pieces, and crisp but the wheel is off center, and which I know is a Aoshima copy, as is their Mugen RNR), the Enkei RS05RR which is incredible in my opinion, with excellent detail for under the tire (my second set for this very reason), and their TE37 (a Fujimi copy, with a not pictured stepped lip that is admittedly a bit hamfisted).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/willimo/eightyone81_zps6bc012d0.jpg

There is flash on these wheels, but it won't be hard to remove. In my experience, all resin does, even Hobby Design. The biggest gripe has been the tires. They put them all in the mold the same way, and since the point where they cut them from their excess molded rubber is on the sidewall, it's obvious on one side of the car since they layed up all the tires the same direction (if they reading this - next time you make the mold, turn two of the tires the other direction).

I have bought a lot of parts from them: wheels, hoods, wings, body kits, lip spoilers, all of it has been well better than acceptable. Their Rocket Bunny v1 kit is tremendous, for example. But the pictures of their website of the FD2 Civic have scared me off of spending $170 on it.

C1 Models is good, too. I tried to get a picture of a couple of their wheels but it didn't come out - the Work Emotions are great, and the Rotiform RWBs are INCREDIBLE. His version of the Fifteen52 Tarmacs are nice, but show lines from 3D printing which is a bummer but will probably sand off easily. The RWB 964 is a little uneven left to right, but totally workable and the Spoon S2000 transkit is perfect.

I am not totally rah-rah but I wanted to show that I have had pretty good luck with these guys and while $15 is a hard bit of money to throw away on a bad wheel set, they do have good stuff.

My real question is, when will we get Orange wheels??

lovegt40
01-20-2015, 03:20 AM
ALso I get some wheels from C1 models. Chris ones are not so bad imho.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q8315ELxXIA/UesOV2IyguI/AAAAAAAAQqI/HY54Lhwdlyk/w662-h534-no/SDC11503.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LA3CSwcrnO4/UesOW3qHsPI/AAAAAAAAQqQ/SGz0ZrfHxF8/w642-h534-no/SDC11505.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y1MLcMeXwSA/UlLN869WOnI/AAAAAAAASOQ/wfmLLRoYE0Y/w712-h534-no/SDC11614.JPG

yelo
01-20-2015, 08:06 AM
Yikes, those are bad. I can understand how disappointed you were. I would have been, too, especially after having the good luck I've had with Eightyone81. I have ordered a lot of stuff from him, and while quality has been hit or miss in my experience, it has been mostly hit, with the misses not being as bad as that one.

Here is a picture (left to right, top to bottom) of their CCW classic (two pieces and fantastic), Fifteen52 Tarmac (a copy of something Tamiya being passed off as a Tarmac, I think), the Rotoform LHR which has been the lowest quality part I've gotten from them (but anyone would struggle with a resin casting like that), Mugen M7 (two pieces, and crisp but the wheel is off center, and which I know is a Aoshima copy, as is their Mugen RNR), the Enkei RS05RR which is incredible in my opinion, with excellent detail for under the tire (my second set for this very reason), and their TE37 (a Fujimi copy, with a not pictured stepped lip that is admittedly a bit hamfisted).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/willimo/eightyone81_zps6bc012d0.jpg

There is flash on these wheels, but it won't be hard to remove. In my experience, all resin does, even Hobby Design. The biggest gripe has been the tires. They put them all in the mold the same way, and since the point where they cut them from their excess molded rubber is on the sidewall, it's obvious on one side of the car since they layed up all the tires the same direction (if they reading this - next time you make the mold, turn two of the tires the other direction).

I have bought a lot of parts from them: wheels, hoods, wings, body kits, lip spoilers, all of it has been well better than acceptable. Their Rocket Bunny v1 kit is tremendous, for example. But the pictures of their website of the FD2 Civic have scared me off of spending $170 on it.

C1 Models is good, too. I tried to get a picture of a couple of their wheels but it didn't come out - the Work Emotions are great, and the Rotiform RWBs are INCREDIBLE. His version of the Fifteen52 Tarmacs are nice, but show lines from 3D printing which is a bummer but will probably sand off easily. The RWB 964 is a little uneven left to right, but totally workable and the Spoon S2000 transkit is perfect.

I am not totally rah-rah but I wanted to show that I have had pretty good luck with these guys and while $15 is a hard bit of money to throw away on a bad wheel set, they do have good stuff.

My real question is, when will we get Orange wheels??

You are totally right with the eightyone tire being all the same, it's a big problem...

As for C1 spoon kit, I got #1and mine is full of air bubble and poor casting, I was a bit disappointed when I check it, especially after getting a perfect DMC kit for my Aventador....

As for orange wheel, I'm waiting for them too....

As a side note, I us d to do a bit of casting miself, imo wheels and tires are the worst kind of parts to cast.. It is very difficult to do a good job on those .....

dieteufel
01-20-2015, 01:05 PM
Hi Guy,

if you want to get really good rims and wheels, than take a look into the shop of Scale Production..
Most of the rims are made out of Aluminium-rings and injection-molded parts
and especially with real rubber tires.

A few samples of Mikes rims & wheels I had used for my model cars.

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/13/3730913/6632376333653634.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/13/3730913/6330636565666131.jpg



http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/13/3730913/3736666339623830.jpg

Cheers
Sascha

jochen kieslich
01-20-2015, 02:22 PM
100% affirmation about what Sascha mentioned!!!

Proof for me that there are manufactorers / traders / dealers with no ongoing / serious quality checks, inadequate product affinity and lack of customer loyalty. If one stands behind his goods / items / products, THAT PERSON has to INSURE the standards and a minimum of class........
I'm a "wheel fanatic" also, just think about the situation. You google around, looking for suitable after-market-tune-up-parts, finally found something, order it, PAY IT with hard earned bucks, await the delivery, getting excited when you recieve "the small treasure-box" and after unpacking with shaky fingers.......you recieve......things like that...

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/gulf009/AF%20discussion/1511732_200086553525784_1970302293_o_zps4e090d67.j pg

or that......

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7462/16287992046_e17652068d_z.jpg

...or.....

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/gulf009/AF%20discussion/100_0715_zps79e91aa1.jpg

sorry guys, i have no explanation, thats a NO GO...:-(
You produce at your own risk, potential inaccurate and / or faulty samples are not ours to pay for!!!!
Sorry, just wanted to give my 5 cents thus i know these products for over 20 years by now.....it's the same for military modelling, airplanes, ships.......

Damaged products CAN HAPPEN for sure BUT SORT THEM OUT AND DON'T SHIP THEM. It's nothing else than taking someone (the CUSTOMER) for a fool!!!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE. This is IGNORANCE.


........and, by the way, that's exactly what i wrote / meant months ago (!!!) when i wrote a feedback for mikezibit's range of goods. ME, FOR MYSELF AS CUSTOMER and ambitious modeller can "feel" his referring to both motorsports AND our beloved hobby--------PLASTIC MODELLING.
Thats the difference. Hard to believe that mike would ship / sell something like that. Of course, there are other "trusted dealers" also, not only him. I just wanted to let you know about MY experiences.

LETS KEEP ON MODELLING!!

Good fight - good night

Jochen

Lownslow
01-22-2015, 01:05 PM
FG Models is a Korean company. The quality of the products i've purchased is impeccable. Unfortunately they no longer seem to be active.

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/Roncla/10180878a_zps7788b716.jpg (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/Roncla/media/10180878a_zps7788b716.jpg.html)
Yes because they couldnt offset costs

NOMADGAMER
01-22-2015, 01:52 PM
IMO, the 3d printing casting lines on Johen's set are unacceptable. You would think taking pride in one's own work, they would at least correct the original master prior to throwing it a casting mould.

the 81 set OP posted, at first glance I thought they looked fantastic, and I thought that the wheel face was separate from the wheel lip / dish. if that is the case, some simple cleanup with a brand new #11 blade seems reasonable. Upon closer look, i'm not sure that the face & lip/barrel are separate, in which case I would also for see a pain and headache trying to cleanup deep within the spokes, etc.

Does anyone know if C1 / 81 / HD casting is done in-house, or do they sub-contract?

If so, QC would bear on the sub-contractor, and I would not go accusing any of them prior to contacting with a 'WTF' email inquiry.

Those FG look fantastic, and I can understand why they have closed, not enough demand and i'm sure the production cost on that is very high expense.

FYI regarding the t-res -

1) I'm not sure why Thomas doesn't sell the wheel by itself
2) I realize he probably includes the tyre, because some within the 'stance' community mount the tyre exactly how OP has it show, with significant wheel lip exposed. Other mount the tyre flush on the outside, and a simple trimming on the inside creates a wheel/tyre combo exactly sized to fit. Again, not a big deal since you are buying these after-market anyway, and it suits both styles of modeler with 1 production wheel/tyre.

Just my 2c fwiw

stratos75
01-22-2015, 02:13 PM
High quality wheels require big investment. IMHO, this manufacturer had saved on it. As for me the quality is a number one for a good reputation. If I would start my own business I could put a maximum efforts for the quality. Just for example look to my own limited edition of the BMW MOTORSPORT wheel.
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9812/14224223.41/0_96ca4_d6fc81fd_XL.jpg (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/mikhailpetrenko/album/137365/view/617636?page=0&context=)

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9169/14224223.41/0_96ca5_663e289e_XL.jpg (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/mikhailpetrenko/album/137365/view/617637?page=0&context=)

These copies had required an expensive prototypes (on the left in this photo).
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6727/14224223.40/0_95c69_2b310d95_XL.jpg (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/mikhailpetrenko/album/137365/view/613481?page=0&context=)

flyonthewall
01-27-2015, 06:58 PM
100% affirmation about what Sascha mentioned!!!

Proof for me that there are manufactorers / traders / dealers with no ongoing / serious quality checks, inadequate product affinity and lack of customer loyalty. If one stands behind his goods / items / products, THAT PERSON has to INSURE the standards and a minimum of class........
I'm a "wheel fanatic" also, just think about the situation. You google around, looking for suitable after-market-tune-up-parts, finally found something, order it, PAY IT with hard earned bucks, await the delivery, getting excited when you recieve "the small treasure-box" and after unpacking with shaky fingers.......you recieve......things like that...



...or.....

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/gulf009/AF%20discussion/100_0715_zps79e91aa1.jpg

sorry guys, i have no explanation, thats a NO GO...:-(
You produce at your own risk, potential inaccurate and / or faulty samples are not ours to pay for!!!!
Sorry, just wanted to give my 5 cents thus i know these products for over 20 years by now.....it's the same for military modelling, airplanes, ships.......

Damaged products CAN HAPPEN for sure BUT SORT THEM OUT AND DON'T SHIP THEM. It's nothing else than taking someone (the CUSTOMER) for a fool!!!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE. This is IGNORANCE.


........and, by the way, that's exactly what i wrote / meant months ago (!!!) when i wrote a feedback for mikezibit's range of goods. ME, FOR MYSELF AS CUSTOMER and ambitious modeller can "feel" his referring to both motorsports AND our beloved hobby--------PLASTIC MODELLING.
Thats the difference. Hard to believe that mike would ship / sell something like that. Of course, there are other "trusted dealers" also, not only him. I just wanted to let you know about MY experiences.

LETS KEEP ON MODELLING!!

Good fight - good night

Jochen

Hi Jochen

If you feel that your wheels from C1 are unusable, then please get in touch. I don't like to see unhappy customers. :)

jochen kieslich
01-28-2015, 03:25 AM
Hi Chris,
thanks for your offer, i'm good for the moment.
I'm going to start another project by now so i'm in no urgent need for a new set.
Yours
jochen

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