Peugeot 404 4d Sedan - 1962 - Air-Trax - 1/24


DominiqueBeerts
01-21-2014, 05:30 PM
While the last 2 pieces of the Citroėn Traction Avant are drying (update shortly) I started this full resin kit by Air-Trax. Air-Trax is an artisanal kit builder who brings very interesting subjects (I asked him for two Panhard kits as well... ).

The only things is: when you say "artisanal production" you know there is work involved. Things tend to be a bit rough, but otherwise I think the shapes are correct. So, it's a challenge, and I am taking it.

Here are some pictures of how the kit looks like when opening the box (I must mention that some light sanding has been done on the body when these pictures were taken).

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Because some detail was a bit rough (some of the door handles were not completely cast, door sills have to be worked at with inevitable loss of detail) I decided to sand all detail off and start from a clean and shaved body.

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I would like to redo the badges on the engine hood and trunk by having it printed in silver. The strips on the sides of the car can be done in either thin aluminum strips or etching. I need to do some tests on that.
Anyway there will be etching involved since I would like to redo the radiator grille and it's logo. The door handles will be redone in brass and/or photo-etch parts.

Some of the decisions will depend a bit on how my tests on etching will turn out.

Something that will have to be done as well is the windows. The side ones are no problem since they are just straight. But the curved front and rear one will be a challenge. I think I am going to make a negative mold using the kit's forms (that is why the windows are not yet cut out and cleaned) , then create a positive mould again and form plastic on that positive mold to get the kit's curves.
If someone has done this before, please correct me if I am writing nonsense here.

Wish me luck ...

One things that already has been done though: I had a friend cast some rims and tires from another kit to have slightly modified wheels on my car:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r225/db114/1962%20Peugeot%20404%20d4%20sedan%20-%20Air-Trax%20-%201-24/DSC18803.jpg

Tapani, if you see other options than the ones I described, feel free to comment. :)

stratos75
01-22-2014, 02:11 PM
It's gonna be a very interesting build. As we remember the Peugeot 404 was styled by Pininfarina, and I like this car.
Good luck with that low quality resin kit!

drunken monkey
01-22-2014, 02:57 PM
y'know, I do and I don't miss the old days when garage kits was synonymous with resin kits.

rallymaster
01-22-2014, 03:13 PM
Super interesting project !!
I'll follow it closely ! :thumbsup:

DominiqueBeerts
01-22-2014, 05:48 PM
With all respect to everyone's opinion, I think the comments are a bit too cruel concerning the kit's quality. Maybe I may have given you the idea that it is a complete disaster, but it is all but that. :nono:

Let me explain my point of view on the hobby to make my point.

I feel a kit is allowed to be "not perfect", as long as the general shapes are correct, and that is definitely the case as far as I can see on the Peugeot. I don't mind starting a kit which needs a LOT of work, and believe me, I have done kits that were a LOT worse than this Peugeot. (If you are interested, have a look at this thread (http://forum.depaddock.net/showthread.php?t=18630) on a Dutch forum, just to show you from what I started to where I got at the end).

When going back to the artisan product, you can smell the material when opening the box. You look at what you get and need to have a plan to get to the result you want. It is one of these thrills we don't get anymore when opening a modern 3D-printed, near-perfect result of digital design. That's a pity because this modern stuff has lost it's charms. You just "paint, slam it together and done" nowadays (sort-of-speak of course).

Admittedly, when you want to produce a full range of finished models of some kind, then you will want to stick with the kind of material where less work is involved. But if you want to build something different, buy the kind of kits like this one. It is such a charm to work on, and if you are confident you can convert it into a small gem. Only, you will have to spend some time on it.

But then again, it's a hobby. Why want to rush? Keep rushes for at work ...

So as a conclusion, as far as I can judge the model now, I will buy more from this model maker.

Enjoy your builds :)

stratos75
01-23-2014, 04:50 AM
I'm completely agree with you that the body of this Peugeot has a correct shape, and for me this is a fundamental argument, as you can see from many of my threads. That's because I can't finish any of my builds during last years. To my opinion, 3D modelling and 3D printing have got its own sharm. Probably, this is something different, but I like 3D modeling as well as handmade, and I'm constantly combine both these methods.
The low quality I meant not smooth moldings and some panel lines, also some bubbles, not completely cast many little parts and etc. But I see, this kit is not so bad at all.

ianc911
01-23-2014, 03:02 PM
when you say "artisanal production" you know there is work involved

Also $$$$$. :p

This kit looks like a pleasant challenge after the Citroen; should be fun! I'll be watching with interest, especially your windshield and etching experiments. Good luck!

ianc

drunken monkey
01-23-2014, 04:33 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love the old garage kits and I do indeed (sort-of) make them myself, taking casts of modified/corrected die-cast kits. In particular, I love how some of the older resin kit makers, used to make their masters essentially just like how they do in 1:1.

Not quite the same but I remember one modeller making a Gallardo model out of polyester putty, using those same methods before Fujimi produced their kit and I just love that type of method/technique and skills that we don't see much of these days.

What I don't like is just how much time it takes sometimes to complete one of those projects. Having a lot of incomplete builds is very frustrating, especially if something goes wrong and making a new part involves re-casting several parts over again.

914joe
01-24-2014, 10:36 AM
I like your style:naughty:

DominiqueBeerts
03-03-2014, 04:46 PM
Ok, let's update this build. Photo 1 gives you an overall impression on the status per today.

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In general, what has been done:
- the window frames for the side windows have been removed because I think they were to fidly to repair.
- I have not taken the risk of removing the front and rear window frames because the front styles would become too thin and delicate. Also the new frames would have to be made from brass and I think I would not be able to create the bend shape decently with fitting problems as a result.
- I have given up the idea to make a mold for the windows. After having thought about it with a few friends we have come up with the idea of using helmet tear-offs instead.
- The door handles have been cast (thanks Patrick!) from a BMW (for crying out loud ...) and they look they are a perfect match for the Peugeot.
- The logo's '404' and 'Peugeot' have been printed in silver-chrome (thanks again, Patrick!) and I am extremely happy with them.

Let's have a look:

The windows frames are created from 0,8mm brass plate. You just cut and file it to shape, then drill a few holes in the middle part and you can saw out the middle part. Just file to shape and done. The windows (tear-offs) can be glued from the inside.

The door handles are a near identical to the Peugeot ones. They have been cast from a BMW die-cast model.

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For the front and back window frame I didn't dare to file away the resin, so I couldn't use an extra part to put on top of the resin body.
Ik heb met Magic Sculp een soort van lip gemaakt van +- 1mm dik die aan het plafond van de wagen zit. Langs de buitenkant amper zichtbaar, maar van grote waarde als je een tear-off daartegen kan kleven. De onderste randen van de bestaande omlijstingen kunnen dan - uitgedund - opnieuw dienen. Je krijgt dan een perfecte ruit, als je tenminste een iets betere uitlijning nastreeft en leert op maat te knippen, niet zoals op de foto :o

I made a 1mm thin lip to the ceiling on both the front and rear of the roof. I can then glue the tear-off against that lip, then make sure the tear-off sets against the body. I just need to lean to cut plastic to shape and glue it straight against the body, not like in the picture (it's a temporary fit attempt).
It will be OK after a few attempts :banghead:

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By the way, these things are really transparent. Don't drop it because you risk to not find it again ...

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But I am extremely happy with this:

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firun
03-04-2014, 01:14 AM
Dominique, great progress!

How did you make self-adhesive "Peugeot 404" logos?

klutz_100
03-04-2014, 02:06 AM
Looking forward to following your progress with this.

Thanks for sharing your techniques - very useful :bigthumb:

DominiqueBeerts
03-04-2014, 01:48 PM
Dominique, great progress!

How did you make self-adhesive "Peugeot 404" logos?

Thanks guys!
They are not self-adhesive, they are actualy decals. Only the ink is unusual.
I need to ask what kind of ink my friend used because I didn't do them myself. He heard that I was drawing the logo's to photo-etch them and just said: 'Give me the drawing. I might just print them.' Et voilą :cool:

I'll ask.

ianc911
03-04-2014, 03:41 PM
Yeah, the Peuguot logos almost look raised off the paper; will be interested to hear more. Also, what is a 'helmet tearoff sheet'?

Good progress; thanks for the update!

ianc

DominiqueBeerts
03-04-2014, 04:07 PM
Yeah, the Peuguot logos almost look raised off the paper; will be interested to hear more. Also, what is a 'helmet tearoff sheet'?

Good progress; thanks for the update!

ianc

that's a thin piece of clear plastic that covers the helmet visor. When dirty the rider just tears it off and throws it away. Thus he has a clean visor again. It is mostly used in racing, in F1 for instance where drivers wear multiple tearoffs on top of each other.

DominiqueBeerts
03-09-2014, 12:46 PM
Thanks guys!
They are not self-adhesive, they are actualy decals. Only the ink is unusual.
I need to ask what kind of ink my friend used because I didn't do them myself. He heard that I was drawing the logo's to photo-etch them and just said: 'Give me the drawing. I might just print them.' Et voilą :cool:

I'll ask.

Apparently the decal is printed with an ALPS printer. This is a multi-layer printing process with this result. It will be a problem findng cardridges for this type of printer in the near future, though, since this type of printers is now out-dated.

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