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Anyonr tried FF Paint ? AN Chrome for MP4-27?


viperofoz
12-27-2012, 10:41 PM
Just curious if anyone has tried any of the FF paints from Hobby Easy?

I tried googling them but found nothing online.

I ordered their AN Chrome for Mclaren MP4-27 and a couple of bottles of Mclaren orange pearl last night but I'm not going to get a chance to try them out for quite a while.

Please share your opinions and tips if you have tried them, and what clear you used over the chrome.

http://www.hobbyeasy.com/upload/suppliers/HOBBY1234/FFP004A.jpg

EDIT : Doh... I just noticed the following notes on Hobby Easy's website.

To obtain the best result please note:
1. A quality solid gloss black base coat is essential.
2. The chrome paint should be as thin as possible, just thick enough to give a even silver finish. (Test is recommended.)
3. Final coat of gloss clear coat is a must. High quality 2K is recommened.
The paint is an original Akzo Nobel formula and it's the best match with the official F1 Team.

Still interested in hearing your opinions/experiences though.


Regards, Dan

wadny
12-28-2012, 08:20 PM
I have a bottle of this paint as well, and haven't had a chance to try it yet. If I get some time, I'll shoot some on a spoon and see what it looks like.

viperofoz
12-28-2012, 10:56 PM
I have a bottle of this paint as well, and haven't had a chance to try it yet. If I get some time, I'll shoot some on a spoon and see what it looks like.


Thanks for that, looking forward to seeing the results. :bananasmi

Regards, Dan

Lownslow
12-29-2012, 03:47 AM
same here im interested

grundski
01-01-2013, 01:00 AM
The directions are identical to Allclad. I'll bet the 2k clear will dull it. Always does. I asked Allclad at the Cleveland hobby show about that and he told me to try his aqueous clear which is water based. The laquer clears dull it because the flakes are standing up reflecting light, solvents lay them down. Where the water based is supposed to let them stand. I haven't tried it yet but I have used allclad chrome with gloss black base and it really comes out mirror like. Just don't touch it.

gp-models
01-01-2013, 08:40 AM
Im interested too in how it turns out with 2k clear, but when Akzo Nobel is the producer, i think it is possible with 2k cause Akzo is a paint company which produces normaly for the automotive industries. As professional car painter ( sorry but don`t know if it is the right word for it^^) i worked for many times with Akzo products, and they were great.
If it is realy Akzo paint, i will try to get some of it, a production center of Akzo is nearly 30 Km from my home away :)
I hope the bring out a chrome paint which don`t need a black surface infront, but till today i found no producer which offers such material and as grunski said, most of them turned out normal silver grey after 2K clear is applied.

Edit: I`ve seen a chrome powder somewhere, but don`t remember where i`ve seen it. Anyone outside which know about this?

sorry for my bad english, but i try my best^^

wadny
01-01-2013, 10:35 AM
I tried the Alclad Aqueous Clear over Alclad chrome, and it winds up looking like polished aluminum. It knocks the reflectance down just enough to dull it a bit. I tried shooting some of the FF Chrome onto a spoon that had been shot with Alclad grey primer followed by Alclad Gloss Black Base, and it looked OK after one coat, but didn't cover completely. I tried shooting a second coat after a few minutes, and it was a disaster - it lost all shine and got "fuzzy" and unusable. I shot some primer on another spoon, let it dry a day, and shot some black on it yesterday. I'll try the FF Chrome again today and post some photos after it dries. If it needs two coats again, I'll let it dry a day between coats.

stevenoble
01-01-2013, 01:38 PM
I've never found any of these so called 'chrome' paints yet, that give an acceptable finish. Maybe I'm applying them wrong, I'm not sure. Alclad always ends up looking way too dark, and any clear coat seems to dull it right off and kill the chrome effect..

viperofoz
01-01-2013, 01:38 PM
I tried the Alclad Aqueous Clear over Alclad chrome, and it winds up looking like polished aluminum. It knocks the reflectance down just enough to dull it a bit. I tried shooting some of the FF Chrome onto a spoon that had been shot with Alclad grey primer followed by Alclad Gloss Black Base, and it looked OK after one coat, but didn't cover completely. I tried shooting a second coat after a few minutes, and it was a disaster - it lost all shine and got "fuzzy" and unusable. I shot some primer on another spoon, let it dry a day, and shot some black on it yesterday. I'll try the FF Chrome again today and post some photos after it dries. If it needs two coats again, I'll let it dry a day between coats.


Thanks for the update.... interested to see how the next test goes.

If this isn't a decent solution then my MP4-27 may end up on ebay...lol :iceslolan

Regards, Dan

Lownslow
01-01-2013, 03:27 PM
I've never found any of these so called 'chrome' paints yet, that give an acceptable finish. Maybe I'm applying them wrong, I'm not sure. Alclad always ends up looking way too dark, and any clear coat seems to dull it right off and kill the chrome effect..

i have the best results with aclad when i use Humbrol the spoon on the left is Kosute gin san over a dark grey base.
http://i.imgur.com/LzU5A.jpg

flhansen
01-02-2013, 07:52 AM
Hi

I have used Alclad chrome on my latest MP4/25 with the Alclad gloss (actually looking like milk in the bottle) over it. It dulls the Alclad a tiny amount but that is okay for a McLaren as these are painted which makes them not quite mirror like. Various other touring cars like in DTM are covered in foils which have the full mirror effect, so Alclad chrome with Alclad aqua clear for a Mac is fine. BUT: Use Humbrol gloss black enamel polished to a high shine as undercoat - otherwise it won't work as well. Other paints I have tried labeld as "chrome" has all failed miserably. Testor, Finisher and Zero just turn out a fine aluminium, but not chrome which for me is mirror like. Alclad fits the bill in that regard. I have not tried AN chrome or Kosutte Gin san though.

http://www.ipms.dk/C4-2012/images/C4_043.JPG

Best regards

Flemming

wadny
01-06-2013, 10:59 PM
Well, I finally got some paint on a spoon. Not the best photos, but they get the point across, I think. Here's the FF paint over Alclad grey primer and Alclad black gloss base:
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/McLaren_FF_Chrome.JPG

Here's the same spoon with a layer of Testor's Gloss Clear Lacquer on top:
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/McLaren_FF_Chrome_with_clear_coat.JPG

Finally, here's a shot of three spoons with Alclad grey primer and gloss black base as a base. The top spoon is Alclad chrome, the next one down is Alclad polished aluminum, and the bottom one is Alclad chrome with a layer of aqueous clear over it.
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/Alclad_chromes.JPG

wadny
01-06-2013, 11:03 PM
The FF paint is nothing like Alclad. It dries with a semi-gloss or satin finish, and really looks more like a light gunmetal metallic rather than a chrome-like finish. It looks better with a clear coat over it. I might try it on my Revell 1/24th McLaren. I think I'll go with Alclad chrome with the aqueous clear over it for my Fujimi 1/20th McLaren.

viperofoz
01-07-2013, 03:12 AM
Well, I finally got some paint on a spoon. Not the best photos, but they get the point across, I think. Here's the FF paint over Alclad grey primer and Alclad black gloss base:
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/McLaren_FF_Chrome.JPG

Here's the same spoon with a layer of Testor's Gloss Clear Lacquer on top:
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/McLaren_FF_Chrome_with_clear_coat.JPG

Finally, here's a shot of three spoons with Alclad grey primer and gloss black base as a base. The top spoon is Alclad chrome, the next one down is Alclad polished aluminum, and the bottom one is Alclad chrome with a layer of aqueous clear over it.
http://www.ipmsniagarafrontier.com/images/Alclad_chromes.JPG


So it looks like the FF paint isn't the solution for my MP4-27 then.

But thankyou Wadny for taking the time to test these paints and then to post the results aswell, I do appreciate you answering my query.

Regards, Dan

Seamus McRae
01-09-2013, 10:57 PM
What about using an automotive product. I picked up a large spray can of Liquid chrome from my local auto parts store, used to touch up the chrome areas parts on cars. The instructions recommend NOT using a primer or clear coat. I will do a test spray & see how it comes out

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