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Toyota 86 by Tamiya


jano11
04-17-2012, 06:52 PM
According to HLJ Tamiya is also going to produce 1/24th scale model kit of the Toyota 86, to be presented at the Shizuoka Hobby Show.

http://www.hlj.com/shs-2012-tamiya-report

I really don't understand the marketing strategy of these companies. There are so many great cars with no model kits available that any of us would buy at least a couple of, yet they chose to produce an anonymous piece of kit.:screwy:

turbos86
04-17-2012, 07:16 PM
anonymous piece of kit

That sounds awfully like you are trying to swear.

RonCla
04-17-2012, 07:44 PM
I'm sure there will be people who will love a Toyota 86 kit. Its always subjective as to what is produced.

For those who love the car Aoshima are also to produce one

http://www.hlj.com/product/AOS00220

Now we will have two the same with each taking sales off the other much like what happened with the Tamiya/ Hasegawa lotus 79.

With the so much subject matter yet to be kitted I find this kind of doubling up really disappointing and it must effect the return the manufactures get on their investment

ZoomZoomMX-5
04-17-2012, 08:37 PM
Don't forget Tamiya's Subaru BRZ, as well.

These are the first Japanese cars since the GTR that have anything close to enthusiast appeal. And these cars are going to be very popular with tuners and people who like sports cars in general. In the back of my mind, I already knew that we'd see multiples of this car. I'm surprised Fujimi hasn't announced one as well.

This thread is what happens every time new models are announced.

Someone's not going to be happy for whatever reason.

It's not like there's some master force in the universe that says "Only Tamiya can make a model of Subject X, and only Aoshima can make Subject Y, and Hasegawa Subject Z, because by God, builders want MORE!"

star21
04-17-2012, 11:53 PM
I really don't understand the marketing strategy of these companies. There are so many great cars with no model kits available that any of us would buy at least a couple of, yet they chose to produce an anonymous piece of kit.:screwy:

I would really beg to differ. The Toyota 86 and the Subaru BRZ are seemingly the "IT" car of Japan as of late. Perhaps it may not sense for every single market globally but I'm sure it will be a big hit nonetheless.

It will also make sense for Aoshima to do a Toyota 86 because as ZoomZoomMX-5 hinted, Aoshima are notorious for releasing "tuner" versions of their model subjects. Just change some graphics, add different wheels from existing Aoshima inventory, add maybe even a new front bumper mold, and voila! Aoshima can sell multiple versions of basically the same master mold.

I personally am very glad to see Tamiya, Aoshima, and Fujimi releasing new kits instead of the *yawn* booorriing re-re-re-re-releases of vintage F1 cars and other re-released street cars of the 60's-90's.

AleaAustin
04-18-2012, 02:08 AM
Enjoy the different type of car models here.Basically I am searching for the different types of the car model because I want to modify my old car model and want to give a new look for my car because it still work good but I am board of it's old look.

petesy
04-18-2012, 02:24 AM
I really don't understand the marketing strategy of these companies. There are so many great cars with no model kits available that any of us would buy at least a couple of, yet they chose to produce an anonymous piece of kit.:screwy:
Well it is possible to build several different versions of the 86 and the BRZ.

How many versions of Veyron can one build, though? One?

If supercar kits are such great sellers the manufacturers would be falling head over feet to kit them already.

exhaust smoke
04-18-2012, 03:33 AM
I've pre-ordered mine!

It would be interesting to know if either of the offerings from Aoshima or Tamiya have engines.

I agree that there are vast amounts of cars that would be ideal model subject matters, but there is also the licencing, rights, etc, etc that model companies have to invest a lot of money in before they can obtain permission to reproduce something 12, 24 or 20 times smaller. They also need to know that their products will definitely be popular in order to make their money back on their licence + sell the kits at reasonably affordable prices.

Of the 4 heavy hitters, Fujimi and Aoshima seem to be investing heavily in licencing of late given how quickly they have kitted new releases on the 1:1 market and F1 subjects.

ZoomZoomMX-5
04-18-2012, 10:10 AM
I've pre-ordered mine!

It would be interesting to know if either of the offerings from Aoshima or Tamiya have engines.



I'm going to wait a bit to see what the kits look like, I'm sure we'll see photos from the hobby show next month before they hit the market. I'm definitely interested in at least the BRZ.

Per Tamiya pages on FT86 and BRZ: Features a detailed engine, interior, and suspension, with working hood. Now whether this is "LFA-level" detailed engine, or "GTR/Aston Martin-level" detailed engine, is anyone's guess at this moment.

jano11
04-18-2012, 12:39 PM
How many versions of Veyron can one build, though? One?

At least half a dozen different ones.

jano11
04-18-2012, 12:42 PM
+ sell the kits at reasonably affordable prices.

Judging by the recent pricing strategy of the Japanese manufactures I wouldn't use the words 'reasonable' and 'affordable'.

crisjr
04-18-2012, 02:07 PM
Judging by the recent pricing strategy of the Japanese manufactures I wouldn't use the words 'reasonable' and 'affordable'.

Perfect!! LOL

petesy
04-18-2012, 02:45 PM
Judging by the recent pricing strategy of the Japanese manufactures I wouldn't use the words 'reasonable' and 'affordable'.
If you are paying MSRP+ for your Japanese kits you should seriously consider sourcing them from overseas.

Right now I'm paying at least 30% off the yen price as marked on the boxes, and as low as 50% off on specials. I was doing even better before the financial meltdown but with our dollar pegged to the US dollar kit prices has risen dramatically these days.

jano11
04-18-2012, 03:12 PM
I do buy directly from Japan, yet I paid 50 Euro (kit and postage) for the Fujimi BMW Z4. I would never buy it here as it would cost over 60 Euro.

This is in no way comparable with the 20 Euro I pay for a Revel kit, with full engine detail. Somehow Revell manages to develop and produce kits in Europe for 50% the cost of a Japanese kit that is most probably produced in China.

crisjr
04-18-2012, 03:36 PM
If you are paying MSRP+ for your Japanese kits you should seriously consider sourcing them from overseas.

Right now I'm paying at least 30% off the yen price as marked on the boxes, and as low as 50% off on specials. I was doing even better before the financial meltdown but with our dollar pegged to the US dollar kit prices has risen dramatically these days.


What store are you buying from?

turbothirtytwo
04-18-2012, 04:06 PM
I do buy directly from Japan, yet I paid 50 Euro (kit and postage) for the Fujimi BMW Z4. I would never buy it here as it would cost over 60 Euro.

This is in no way comparable with the 20 Euro I pay for a Revel kit, with full engine detail. Somehow Revell manages to develop and produce kits in Europe for 50% the cost of a Japanese kit that is most probably produced in China.

but look at quality of revell kits. they look like somebody draw it with pencil and then convert it into mold. If i want to build it to watchable quality I need to spend a lot of time by preparation and thats not relax but punishment and for 20 u can have older tamiya kit miles away with quality of current revell releases

leafs004
04-18-2012, 04:24 PM
but look at quality of revell kits. they look like somebody draw it with pencil and then convert it into mold. If i want to build it to watchable quality I need to spend a lot of time by preparation and thats not relax but punishment and for 20 u can have older tamiya kit miles away with quality of current revell releases

I would have to disagree with your characterization of current Revell kits. Those that are being currently developed, and not simply current releases of old kits have come a long way from being drawn with a pencil and converted into a mold. While they are not Tamiya quality, they're not bad kits. Tamiya also isn't offering the same selection of products. I'd love to get the Ferrari 599 or the Ferrari 458 from Tamiya, but they did not make either. Revell did, and they're better than Fujimi's offering.

And unfortunately Tamiya's latest offerings have been hit and miss. The LFA, wonderful. Nissan GTR? What the heck were they thinking with that engine compartment?

turbothirtytwo
04-18-2012, 04:48 PM
latest of revell kits I have is A4 DTM and its crap, the last one I bought. you are right with GTR enginebay but car is captured very well and nicely detailed. there can be forum only about this...very long discusion :)

jano11
04-18-2012, 05:32 PM
latest of revell kits I have is A4 DTM and its crap...

:shakehead

Also check the 458 and the SLS, miles better than the Fujimi's and half the price.

leafs004
04-18-2012, 05:53 PM
I didn't get the A4 DTM, was thinking about it, and am sad to hear that it was disappointing, so I'll likely pass on it as it was not a "must have" car.

And it's not like any of us are hurting for models to build...:)

star21
04-18-2012, 10:46 PM
Per Tamiya pages on FT86 and BRZ: Features a detailed engine, interior, and suspension, with working hood. Now whether this is "LFA-level" detailed engine, or "GTR/Aston Martin-level" detailed engine, is anyone's guess at this moment.

I think this may also be awesome news for Subaru scale model fans since I'm sure the scale flat-4 engine from the BRZ or 86 can be used as rough basis for transplanting it in to the older Impreza/Legacy models (again with modification since the FA20 is a bit more compact, non-turbocharged, etc).

petesy
04-18-2012, 11:16 PM
What store are you buying from?
Local stores mostly.

Hobby Easy's prices are close enough, though.

ales
04-19-2012, 02:00 AM
:shakehead

Also check the 458 and the SLS, miles better than the Fujimi's and half the price.

I disagree. They are miles better than Fujimi ones in some areas and miles worse in others.

crisjr
04-19-2012, 08:06 AM
As turbothirtytwo said, this is a long discussion.. ZoomZoom.. i just built the LFA and honestly, after looking for a lot of references for the engine i got the conclusion that Tamiya could build more parts to make to improve the engine accuracy, lot's of parts that is visible is not there.. on the other hand, parts like coolers that is placed on the back of the car and it's not visible is there ... ready to be build...

What i think about it? i think that who did the project do not use to build cars :)

Overall LFA is the best car i have ever built!

jano11
04-19-2012, 02:22 PM
I disagree. They are miles better than Fujimi ones in some areas and miles worse in others.

They have full detail interior and engines.
The only negative are the two parts rims and the less then great tires.
And this for only 50% of the Fujimi price, and made in Europe. Each to his own I guess.

MidMazar
04-19-2012, 08:32 PM
I hope they have engines!!

nugundam93
04-20-2012, 03:41 PM
i hope they make a better engine compartment than the GT-R's.

wouldn't expect anything more than the stock Toyota/Subaru 86 though from Tamiya.

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