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lovegt40
02-09-2012, 08:35 AM
Just got this news from HD. The body doesnt look bad at all.A cool news:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5334/hd030157yg03.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/73/hd030157yg02.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8825/hd030157yg01.jpg

Tompidom
02-09-2012, 09:23 AM
That des not look bad at all, But it still is a Hobby Design so that means a very high price and probable a copy of a diecast..................

lovegt40
02-09-2012, 09:25 AM
lol, yes as that audi TT.

just searching the original diecast of this:D...maybe we got it;)

drunken monkey
02-09-2012, 09:28 AM
...and will slowly turn into 1:25.7 scale...

sportracer02
02-09-2012, 09:28 AM
Hi,

looks good, but for sure the price will be very high

I donīt know an existing diecast in 1:24 of the car (otherwise I would order it ;-) )

lovegt40
02-09-2012, 09:31 AM
suspect an high price as usual :(
I pray for a future racing version of it,being the subjects i like more

http://www.eracemotorblog.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mclaren-gt3-500x333.jpg

F1Tommy
02-09-2012, 01:32 PM
It does look nice. I would bet that we will get a good diecast of this car in 1/24th scale soon. Maybe we can buy the Hobby Design photoetch and wheels without the model:)

Here are a few photos I took at Mclaren Chicago. The orange one is I think the best looking.

http://www.cardatabase.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00197472&size=large

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

360spider
02-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Autoart is releasing a very detailed (signature series) diecast of this in 1/18 scale this year.
I'm sure it will cost about the same as this transkit and will be MUCH better.

F1Tommy
02-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Autoart is releasing a very detailed (signature series) diecast of this in 1/18 scale this year.
I'm sure it will cost about the same as this transkit and will be MUCH better.


Only problem is its the wrong scale.


Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

360spider
02-10-2012, 11:16 PM
Only problem is its the wrong scale.


Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

I have close to 900 1/18 diecasts. Works for me.

F1Tommy
02-11-2012, 08:53 AM
I have close to 900 1/18 diecasts. Works for me.


Yep, and 99.99 % of them were pre builts not kits. This is a model kit forum. They are getting very nice I know, and I hope in the end they do not kill off CAR model building all together. The military builders will never buy pre builts like the car guys.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

360spider
02-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Yep, and 99.99 % of them were pre builts not kits. This is a model kit forum. They are getting very nice I know, and I hope in the end they do not kill off CAR model building all together. The military builders will never buy pre builts like the car guys.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

What's your point Tom? Yes, 99% of them are ready built diecast models. And yes, they are getting to the point where I don't have to pay ridiculous amount of money and then spends few months of correcting flaws on the kit to have a model that I can put on the shelf. They bring out the models people want right now - FAST. If car model bulding hobby hopes to survive, then manufacturers should stop trying to shoot themselves in a foot and lower the prices. There is no way a Tamiya or Fujimi kit should cost $60+ when an Autoart diecast that is MUCH nicer than built OOB Tamiya kit costs $80.

Model building hobby was ALWAYS targeted to kids and young adults, because adult builders and collectors are a very small % of plastic kit market. I know of very small number of kids and young adults who could afford $50 per kit + supplies, tools, and time to build on a regular basis. So tell me, do I spend $130 on a HD transkit +$$ on paints, etc that I have to spend few weeks correcting, painting, detailing, etc only to have a curbside model on my shelf, or spend $100 on Autoart diecast that will be as nice (if not nicer - with full details, engine, working suspension, opening panels, etc)? The answers is clear to me. And the sooner model kit makers realize that it is ridiculous to charge that much for a plastic kit, and try to justify it by raising material and labor costs, while diecast manufacturers could design, tool, produce, assemble, distribute and market their FINISHED product at a roughly the same price point, the better off this hobby will be.

ataschner
02-11-2012, 12:35 PM
Copy of diecast or not.. it is always a pleasure to put hands on these supercars kits.

The only concern is about the price. If it follows the Audi TT high price, Iīm out!

lovegt40
02-11-2012, 12:59 PM
And dont forget the sense of frustration you have when you spend so much money in a kit,and destory all at the end with wrong 2k mixture or cracking paint.Hundreds of bucks completely trashed and priceless sense of frustration.
With such diecast u simply pay,open box look it carefully and collect.Nobody can complain of missing parts or ask for hours of explanation for build up. Is part of modern times...no skill required, only heavy wallet.
Years of modelling store service formed me , LOL.:D

Yes I think this is one of the reason of the BIG crysis of all this modelling sector.

F1Tommy
02-11-2012, 01:35 PM
I agree with you that some plastic kits are way over priced(Japanese mainly). They need to rethink their business plan or they will be gone or making diecasts in a few years. The resin kits are made almost 100% for adults, unlike most plastic(we are talkiing about car models as military don't buy prebuilt diecasts). Resin kits are being hurt by the Euro being so high as most were made in Europe. Fisher I think raised his price to equal the Euro kit prices. It does sound like you are giving up on models, but you will not admit it. I think a rethink is in order. Maybe build one high detail model a year and buy the prebuilt diecasts to cover the rest of the cars you want. For me I don't like 1/18th scale so I buy all the 1/24th scale diecasts(they are getting pretty good too but I convert them to models anyway). I also buy 1/43rd and 1/12th handbuilt models and have a large collection of BBR, Looksmart, MR ect... Diecast companies make most of the cars so if you can't tell the difference you should not waste your time and money with the BBR's and handmade models and buy diecasts.

Hobby Design is out of their mind with pricing. No I do not plan on buying this kit unless it is under $120.00. I will wait for the 1/24th scale diecast to convert into a model.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

Helico
02-11-2012, 05:41 PM
I enjoy the process of building a kit, but I have to admit, buying diecast slowly makes more sense to me. I always want to have Aston Martin DB9R. I was recently looking at an AUTOArt. It is beautifully made with nice detail inside out and a set of accurate rims. And best of all, it is available for only USD90. The only 1/24 equivalent is MFH which lacks the same amount of detail and cries for a set of aftermarket rims. In the end, together with paint and other supplies, I will be spending more than twice the money of an AUTOart.

I will not buy HD kits, not only because of price and quality, but also because they simply copy/steal the design from diecast. That my friend is called cheap.

leafs004
02-11-2012, 06:16 PM
I think I'll just wait to see if one of the plastic companies makes the McLaren. I have enough plastic in my current stash to keep me going another decade or two...or longer at the rate I've been able to build lately.

360spider
02-11-2012, 06:50 PM
I agree with you that some plastic kits are way over priced(Japanese mainly). They need to rethink their business plan or they will be gone or making diecasts in a few years. The resin kits are made almost 100% for adults, unlike most plastic(we are talkiing about car models as military don't buy prebuilt diecasts). Resin kits are being hurt by the Euro being so high as most were made in Europe. Fisher I think raised his price to equal the Euro kit prices. It does sound like you are giving up on models, but you will not admit it. I think a rethink is in order. Maybe build one high detail model a year and buy the prebuilt diecasts to cover the rest of the cars you want. For me I don't like 1/18th scale so I buy all the 1/24th scale diecasts(they are getting pretty good too but I convert them to models anyway). I also buy 1/43rd and 1/12th handbuilt models and have a large collection of BBR, Looksmart, MR ect... Diecast companies make most of the cars so if you can't tell the difference you should not waste your time and money with the BBR's and handmade models and buy diecasts.

Hobby Design is out of their mind with pricing. No I do not plan on buying this kit unless it is under $120.00. I will wait for the 1/24th scale diecast to convert into a model.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

Tom, you've seen what I can do with a kit, WHEN I have time. It takes me a LOT of time to build a high quality model. I work up to 70 hours a week, and I don't have time to build, but I do want new models. Plus, to be honest, while I have absolutely no interest in this McLaren kit (I don't like the car that much), I don't mind having a high quality model of it, and I will pay $120 for AA diecast, but I will not pay same $120 for HD kit, because in the end, AA model will be a better model than HD kit, even built to the highest standard by myself. Why bother? I have other projects I could spend my time building.

All I'm saying is that if model kit manufacturers would make affordable kits of the cars we want NOW, then maybe things would change. Where are they? Where are Koenigseggs, Zondas, Veyrons, M3s, M5s and 1Ms, where are Sesto Elemento's, McLaren F1s, Alfa 8Cs TVR Sagaris, Maseratis Gran Turismos, where are they? Where the heck are they? Because they are sure all available as highly detailed diecasts for about $100 a pop and I have them all and enjoy them every day.

And no, I'm not giving up on building kits, but I already have about 400 kits of the cars that I want to build, and that will last me a lifetime. And I sure am not buying any more of the after market overpriced curbside "stuff" that will take time from building cars that I really like to have as a super-detailed handbuilt. I have not bought a single plastic kit in a few years - simply because there is nothing to buy. And in resin, I probably bought like 10 - cars Niko and Tapani made, some obscure Ferrari stuff. I know for sure nobody will make another kit of these anytime soon.

So, bottom line is, this hobby will suffer as long as plastic kit manufacturers will try to squeeze every bit of profit trying to sell us modifications/re-packs/re-makes of stuff that we already bought, or new stuff at prices nobody could afford. Make models we want, at prices that don't make expensive diecast look like a bargain, and we will buy it.

rallymaster
02-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Make models we want, at prices that don't make expensive diecast look like a bargain, and we will buy it.[/b]

I coundn't agree more, that's the key point !

Even if nothing reaches the pleasure of building a kit, to make something from his hands, I changed my mind for my 1/43 collection, replacing a kit each time I can (which isn't really often regarding to the lack of really good models at this scale...), as kits aren't inevitably better than good diecast.
I refuse to buy 1/18 models, for several reasons, first one being having hundreds of 1/43 and 1/24 models, but I can't imagine what would be my choice if AutoArt or HPI had a 1/24 models range as much tempting as some of their respectively 1/18 or 1/43 are. Being mostly interested in rally and not GT or road cars or... also is a solution to the problem.
If only kits brands could do as much effort as diecast brands did these last years...

lezdep
02-12-2012, 12:13 AM
I kind of agree with some points and disagree with others. But main question I'm puzzled with is how die-cast vendors can make their models so
cheap and plastic model makers cannot do the same ?

I would think volume of die-casts sold, plays vital role in this. And that makes me think plastic/MM kits marker it doomed. It's catch 22 - not
many people buy models and that makes making models that much more difficult, which in turn leads to even less kits being produced.

Still, I would think technology and knowledge are available, as die-cast makers make their cars better and better for less. Why plastic/mm kit
makers cannot use same approach, I don't understand. Even slot cars are becoming almost as nice as scale models. Money is there in die-cast
and slot cars market and not in plastic/mm model market. That's the main problem, I think.

360spider
02-12-2012, 12:17 AM
I kind of agree with some points and disagree with others. But main question I'm puzzled with is how die-cast vendors can make their models so
cheap and plastic model makers cannot do the same ?

I would think volume of die-casts sold, plays vital role in this. And that makes me think plastic/MM kits marker it doomed. It's catch 22 - not
many people buy models and that makes making models that much more difficult, which in turn leads to even less kits being produced.

Still, I would think technology and knowledge are available, as die-cast makers make their cars better and better for less. Why plastic/mm kit
makers cannot use same approach, I don't understand. Even slot cars are becoming almost as nice as scale models. Money is there in die-cast
and slot cars market and not in plastic/mm model market. That's the main problem, I think.

People are getting lazy - they don't want to build anything. It an "instant gratification" population - we want everything NOW, and we don't want to do anything to get it. Kids are playing video games instead of building kits. And they rather spend their allowances on diecasts just to tell their peers - I have that! and move on.

jano11
02-12-2012, 11:18 AM
Tom, you've seen what I can do with a kit, WHEN I have time. It takes me a LOT of time to build a high quality model. I work up to 70 hours a week, and I don't have time to build, but I do want new models. Plus, to be honest, while I have absolutely no interest in this McLaren kit (I don't like the car that much), I don't mind having a high quality model of it, and I will pay $120 for AA diecast, but I will not pay same $120 for HD kit, because in the end, AA model will be a better model than HD kit, even built to the highest standard by myself. Why bother? I have other projects I could spend my time building.

All I'm saying is that if model kit manufacturers would make affordable kits of the cars we want NOW, then maybe things would change. Where are they? Where are Koenigseggs, Zondas, Veyrons, M3s, M5s and 1Ms, where are Sesto Elemento's, McLaren F1s, Alfa 8Cs TVR Sagaris, Maseratis Gran Turismos, where are they? Where the heck are they? Because they are sure all available as highly detailed diecasts for about $100 a pop and I have them all and enjoy them every day.

And no, I'm not giving up on building kits, but I already have about 400 kits of the cars that I want to build, and that will last me a lifetime. And I sure am not buying any more of the after market overpriced curbside "stuff" that will take time from building cars that I really like to have as a super-detailed handbuilt. I have not bought a single plastic kit in a few years - simply because there is nothing to buy. And in resin, I probably bought like 10 - cars Niko and Tapani made, some obscure Ferrari stuff. I know for sure nobody will make another kit of these anytime soon.

So, bottom line is, this hobby will suffer as long as plastic kit manufacturers will try to squeeze every bit of profit trying to sell us modifications/re-packs/re-makes of stuff that we already bought, or new stuff at prices nobody could afford. Make models we want, at prices that don't make expensive diecast look like a bargain, and we will buy it.

Fully agree.
It is funny how Japanese plastic kit manufacturers are cranking up the prices, while bringing nothing new to the table, in order to make up for the market share that they are losing every day to the much improved die-cast manufacturers.

I like building models, even if I am very slow builder, heck I even make my own parts when I need them in order to have the model as I want it, however since I changed jobs a couple of years ago I barely laid my hand on a kit, instead I bought a bunch of die-casts that do not exist in kit form or if they exist it's only resin kits that would cost me an arm and a leg.

As lezdep put it, how is it possible that die cast makers can bring out almost every new release of a car, while plastic kit makers will only come up with 1 or 2 new kits per year?
We often hear how expensive it is to get the licensing rights for it from the manufacturers, but then again die cast producers also have to pay them.

Then we are getting the 'molds are expensive' explanation, well die casts also need molds and tooling to be cast.

I never got it how is that Tamiya did make quite a few cars as RC cars but never as 1/24nd or 1/12th scale kits, 1998 Porsche GT1, BMW Z4 spring to mind and I'm sure there are at least another 10 like these. Looks like they've got the licensing rights covered but decided that a Le Mans winner is no way a good subject.

Fujimi did bring a couple of newer Ferraris and the Aventador lately, but all stripped down curbside kits, for 50 Euro apiece. Almost forgot their DeTomaso Pantera 'kit' with the same 'impressive' detail level.

Tamiya brought us a curbside Aston and the Toyota LFA ( I wonder how many they sold outside of Japan).

Aoshima and Hasegawa are almost irrelevant at this point.

Other than Revell I do not see many automotive plastic kit manufacturers being worth the money they are asking for their products. And dare are say that Revell also have the best marketing direction of them all. When you look at their releases in the latest years you see quite a few up to date kits (DTM Audi and Mercedes, SLS Mercedes, Ferrrai 599, 612, California, 458 etc... plus re-releases of the Ferrari 250 GT SWB, 250 GTO and others), all of them full detail kits. And this is what sells, kits of the newly released cars, just like in the case of the die-cast manufacturers.

Anyway I am pretty much looking forward to receive the BMW E39 die-cast I bought on eBay so I can make an M5 out of it as I am fairly sure that we will never see a plastic kit of this beautiful car, never ever.

jano11
02-12-2012, 11:23 AM
People are getting lazy - they don't want to build anything. It an "instant gratification" population - we want everything NOW, and we don't want to do anything to get it. Kids are playing video games instead of building kits. And they rather spend their allowances on diecasts just to tell their peers - I have that! and move on.

Kids are certainly more attracted by PC games where they get gratification for their 'input' within a few minutes, not after a couple of weeks.

You're also right that the population is getting lazier and looking for easier to achieve pleasure in their daily life and I think that this is mostly due to the lack of time at disposal. So they will buy what gives them pleasure instead of working long hours/days/weeks to get there.

However this is a topic that should be discussed on a sociology forum maybe. ;)

lovegt40
02-12-2012, 01:45 PM
also I completely agree with u all guys.
I try to build up (read spend modelling time) models that usually dont exist in my scale and which I suspect will be never done by anybody in the future.For sure if kit producers will be little more focused on recent,actual subjects they will sell more, even If I am quite sure they will never raise the numbers of the buy-and-place die cast models.

Of course, also I will never buy this Mcl, but if it will be a plastic kit for 15 dollars I admit I could think also about it.

gionc
02-12-2012, 03:15 PM
Kids are playing video games instead of building kits

Yep (I count also us all on kids LOL). And videgames doesn't have a purpose.

Upppsssss.... does modelmaking have a purpose? What else than fun?

Being parent I believe I hour/day on the consolle is less hazardous than 10 minutes smelling our dear chemicals :D

PJE48
02-17-2012, 02:25 PM
Getting back to the McLaren. Is there any release date?


Paul Erlendson

BVC500
02-17-2012, 02:45 PM
I dont know, but I saw somewhere that HD is also doing a transkit for the Fujimi Gallardo - to make it an LP560. I'll provide the link later.

nugundam93
02-17-2012, 03:22 PM
I kind of agree with some points and disagree with others. But main question I'm puzzled with is how die-cast vendors can make their models so
cheap and plastic model makers cannot do the same ?

I would think volume of die-casts sold, plays vital role in this. And that makes me think plastic/MM kits marker it doomed. It's catch 22 - not
many people buy models and that makes making models that much more difficult, which in turn leads to even less kits being produced.

Aside from the volume of die-casts sold (where they can be a hit-and-miss affair, though fortunately with Auto Art, the ones that bomb are well-compensated by their best-sellers), it's the production and labor costs. Car and Driver had a feature on Auto Art a few years back (I forgot exactly when, while I do have the magazine it's not with me at the moment) and they showed that the labor was cheap for them and the way they made prototypes were well, not as high-tech, to put it kindly.

Although it partially puzzles me as well that given that the plastic kit makers rely on a lot of automation, prices still go up. Bandai did say that they were raising kit prices in the past because of the price of oil but that was the only reason, and as kit makers go, they crank out a ton of variants/reissues/recolors like there's no tomorrow. Maybe it's the price of the CAD software? :rofl:

GirchyGirchy
02-17-2012, 06:38 PM
Autoart is releasing a very detailed (signature series) diecast of this in 1/18 scale this year.
I'm sure it will cost about the same as this transkit and will be MUCH better.

Good luck with that. My guess is that it'll be delayed for over year and cost at least $200+.

PJE48
02-18-2012, 12:31 AM
I dont know, but I saw somewhere that HD is also doing a transkit for the Fujimi Gallardo - to make it an LP560. I'll provide the link later.

I would be very interested in that as I've planned to use the nose off a diecast to do that one. Please, please someone do a LP570 too!

Paul Erlendson

MidMazar
02-18-2012, 09:46 AM
while diecast manufacturers could design, tool, produce, assemble, distribute and market their FINISHED product at a roughly the same price point.

Thats what i don't understand.

Tamiya should release a mclaren, instead we get stuck with shrunken resin.

F1Tommy
02-18-2012, 10:16 AM
Thats what i don't understand.

Tamiya should release a mclaren, instead we get stuck with shrunken resin.


To be honest, if Welly does it in 1/24th diecast it will probably have more detail that a Fujimi kit and maybe a Tamiya. The diecasts in 1/24th scale are getting very good as starting points for a good model now. Metal is harder to work with but if you heat it up it grinds very well with a Dremel tool. The metal gets more brittle and not so chewy when heated.

Lets not forget back in the late 1970's 1/43rd models got big because they were converting diecasts(Solido) and superdetailing them. 1/24th scale diecasts are also picking up because they are cheap(mostly $20.00 or less compared to atleast 2 to 3 times that for 1/18th) and they require less material than the big 1/18th scale models. That is what I think is driving Welly, Cararama and others into 1/24th scale more. Plus they are starting to sell.

Go buy a Welly's 1/24th scale Alfa 8C and see what I am talking about. It will need to be redetailed and painted but it has very good detail. The Cararama 1/24th scale 8C is not as good. The texture on the seats and interior detail is amazing for a diecast(or model for that matter).

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

BVC500
02-18-2012, 10:22 AM
I would be very interested in that as I've planned to use the nose off a diecast to do that one. Please, please someone do a LP570 too!

Paul Erlendson

scroll halfway down the page:

http://speedslaves.blog67.fc2.com/

auw12
02-18-2012, 12:30 PM
scroll halfway down the page:

http://speedslaves.blog67.fc2.com/

Bernard that's not hobbydesign that's a manufacturer called SMC which was founded by Japanese modeler Mr. Satoshi Kihara, who's superb. You can find his product in Mediamix Hobby or some Japanese online stores.

BVC500
02-18-2012, 01:34 PM
Thanks Tang! I thought it was strange I hadn't seen any HD announcement about it. It does look high quality.

auw12
02-18-2012, 03:10 PM
I really enjoyed reading this thread, the decline of kit market is obvious in the past few years, I think Alex had hit the nail on the head about why this happened. Buddy, you have not only superb skill but also profound sense of the miniature world, I really admire that. You guys have already covered all the aspect about the relationship between handbuilt and diecast/factory built models, just wanna add some humble opinion to keep me in the game~:rofl: To me the scale plays a big part. 1/24 is like a magic to me, I reckon it is the best scale of model car which has a perfect balance between volume and exquisiteness. I too have some 1/43 resin factory builts and Autoart on my shelf and I enjoyed them, but if they're in 1/24 that number would increase a lot. I really hope that fujimi which produces most of the subjects that I like could make it easier and more funny to build their stuff instead of causing headaches constantly while we already had fewer and fewer time.

Back to the topic, this mclaren is created by hobbydesign in 3D software from clean sheet instead of stealing something existed. I too hated their "cheapness", poor resin quality, nowhere-to-fit PE parts and all the drawbacks they have, but they're definitely making progress. So let's just give them a little bit of encouragement while it is sticking to the hobby we loved, with some passion.

PJE48
02-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Bernard that's not hobbydesign that's a manufacturer called SMC which was founded by Japanese modeler Mr. Satoshi Kihara, who's superb. You can find his product in Mediamix Hobby or some Japanese online stores.

Nothing on Mediamix at the present time.

Paul Erlendson

auw12
02-18-2012, 05:32 PM
Nothing on Mediamix at the present time.

Paul Erlendson

Paul, that's because as I know the gallardo tk is not ready yet. So far they have only released the FXX Evo tk and some CF decals.

lovegt40
03-16-2012, 04:28 AM
got some new pictures of this nice car.
Model seems really welldone.No idea of the price.They say will be a full resin kit with PE parts

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/101/HD03-0157-11.jpg?et=aEqJRK%2CYIdekx1XwxhrQXQ&nmid=436786514

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/102/HD03-0157-12.jpg?et=6zszVBJ3BmQ8gO9X9nduaw&nmid=436786514

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/103/hd03-0157-14.jpg?et=iV9g0IsMX4NcaKO730HWMw&nmid=436786514

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/104/hd03-0157-15.jpg?et=cyJE879lo4IurDuMcpGSyA&nmid=436786514

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/105/hd03-0157-16.jpg?et=toML254ERjwe%2BOc86td%2BrA&nmid=436786514

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/167/600x600/106/HD03-0157-17.jpg?et=ssVlltkkwFK%2ChU9gdQ7p1w&nmid=436786514

Mikezibit
03-16-2012, 12:23 PM
got some new pictures of this nice car.
Model seems really welldone.No idea of the price.They say will be a full resin kit with PE parts



http://www.hlj.com/product/HYDHD03-0154

~ $260 ???

lovegt40
03-16-2012, 01:57 PM
OMFG...ok..it will remain where it is...

btw the link retakes me to the gt-r nissan...at "only" 200 euros.
Little too much for me also...

F1Tommy
03-16-2012, 02:17 PM
It does look good but they are on drugs with their prices. If a European or American company can sell 1/24th kits for around $150.00 or less so can the Chinese and Japanese companies. This does look better than Studio 27 quality but its probably 1/26th scale knowing Hobbydesign. Why not just charge $500.00 for it and make it real exclusive!


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

jano11
03-16-2012, 05:57 PM
Model looks nice but is not a match to a MFH kit to justify that price, especially when it is made in China and not Japan, US or Europe where materials and work costs are many times higher.

BVC500
03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
looks nice now, until you open the box and realized how much clean up needs to be done on the parts, including the insides of the wheels.

drunken monkey
03-16-2012, 08:15 PM
looks nice now, until you open the box and realized how much clean up needs to be done on the parts, including the insides of the wheels.

now now, what you really mean is:

if you're lucky enough to get hold of one of the first 30-40 castings then you'll be fine, otherwise you'd have a hell of a lot of clean up and re-modelling to deal with. Oh, and don't wait too long before building it because you might find that 3-4 months down the line, the different sized resin pieces may have all shrunk at different rates and to varying degrees and don't fit together any more. Or you could wait until all shrinkage has taken place before fixing it. Or hope it does't shrink after you've built it.

Aventador
03-17-2012, 12:07 PM
look good

guiwee
03-21-2012, 12:12 AM
What's your point Tom? Yes, 99% of them are ready built diecast models. And yes, they are getting to the point where I don't have to pay ridiculous amount of money and then spends few months of correcting flaws on the kit to have a model that I can put on the shelf. They bring out the models people want right now - FAST. If car model bulding hobby hopes to survive, then manufacturers should stop trying to shoot themselves in a foot and lower the prices. There is no way a Tamiya or Fujimi kit should cost $60+ when an Autoart diecast that is MUCH nicer than built OOB Tamiya kit costs $80.

Model building hobby was ALWAYS targeted to kids and young adults, because adult builders and collectors are a very small % of plastic kit market. I know of very small number of kids and young adults who could afford $50 per kit + supplies, tools, and time to build on a regular basis. So tell me, do I spend $130 on a HD transkit +$$ on paints, etc that I have to spend few weeks correcting, painting, detailing, etc only to have a curbside model on my shelf, or spend $100 on Autoart diecast that will be as nice (if not nicer - with full details, engine, working suspension, opening panels, etc)? The answers is clear to me. And the sooner model kit makers realize that it is ridiculous to charge that much for a plastic kit, and try to justify it by raising material and labor costs, while diecast manufacturers could design, tool, produce, assemble, distribute and market their FINISHED product at a roughly the same price point, the better off this hobby will be.
Well i build only plastic kits and they are getting expensive!! Unlike 360 i dont
have the skills to build those resin kits that cost $240...only for the chassis
and hood to be warped!! Right there im stumped!!!..I personally believe that
when you pay that large a sum you should get a better tamiya-like resin quality.
I will buy the 1/12 enzo when it comes out..will probably be about $300 much more than the standard resin kit!!...Plus im pretty sure the hood wont be warped...and the fit will be precise. Think my lhs has the tamiya diecast enzo for like $1200.
I guess 360 it all boils down to what you like. The journey of the plastic or the one time purchase. Youre an excellent modeler who can bring out the most in those kits. I would think that you love the journey.
Ive heard this argument before but i just love to build with plastic!!:)
Just my :2cents:
Ooppsss sorry guys just read this entire thread not just the first page. I noticed noone really answered the question of how can u make many more die-cast than plasic.
Does anyone know of the process or how much it costs..isnt metal more expensive than plastic..plus some of those diecast have all kinds of things in them..rubber... plastic..
mesh...etc. How about just prepackage a diecast kit that you have to assemble wouldnt that be cheaper???

Aventador
03-21-2012, 03:28 AM
Do you think what kind of price is more appropriate?

Veyron
03-21-2012, 07:43 AM
Do you think what kind of price is more appropriate?

For a good quality full curbside kit $145 USD is a fair price.

Hobby Design has a major problem with shrinking silicone mold material yet they demand a premium of $100 over the price of a good resin kit made by others in the industry. It's a ridiculous margin.

It's a shame they are overpriced because they are very good at choosing desirable subjects which others amazingly overlook.

The Hawkins
03-31-2012, 12:55 AM
http://www.hlj.com/product/HYDHD03-0154

~ $260 ???
GTFO........:screwy:

As much as I like the 12C and the GT-R, at that price they can keep it.........

Aventador
04-03-2012, 09:31 PM
http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500645K37N.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500642N4u1.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500639J8FB.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_13335006378fAj.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500634GtV2.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500632M3QR.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_13335006299hLW.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_1333500626u80s.jpg

http://124.207.107.8/mxbbs/home/attachment/201204/4/20_13335006235575.jpg

RonCla
04-04-2012, 02:19 AM
They look like nice, crisp castings from what I can see. As some one who has had issues with warped resin in the two Hobby Design trans kits I have purchased I trust this company is addressing the issue of their resin distorting

The asking price for this is way to high to be taking a gamble on purchasing one that may be out of shape

jochen kieslich
04-04-2012, 02:19 AM
Seems not accurate enough (for me). I took pictures and got (overwhelming!) impressions of the real car by myself. Especially the rear section. One would be constrained to sand the whole area off from the inside to achieve the real look! Man, thats a fan / cooling guard and not an end-to-end section with profiles along!
http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/gulf009/mrs5.jpg

And thats only one part of the subject.
Considering the overall look of the above kit's surface and parts so far and the intended price...........no way.
By spending enourmos additional efforts and correcting almost everything offered here, it might be possible to get a almost accurate replica.
Just my 5 (Euro-)cents.......

Jochen

F1Tommy
04-04-2012, 08:51 AM
Do you think what kind of price is more appropriate?


The prices they are asking for their curbside kits is closer to a "superkit" full chassis detail kit than a curbside kit. They have to price according to the market. $140.00-$175.00 is average for a resin curbside now. In the USA Fisher only charges $125.00 and his kits are just as good, although he does use less photoetch(so add $15.00 for that).


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2013-Chicago March 2013

jano11
04-04-2012, 02:56 PM
Fully agree with Tom, 140 USD is about right for a curbside kit.
That's what I would be willing to pay for it.
One also has to remember that there are shipping costs and very often also customs taxes (minimum 20% around here) on top of it, so 140 USD for the kit is about right.

sportracer02
04-05-2012, 01:06 PM
Hi Aventador,

may I ask you about your connection to Hobby Design? Are You working there?

@ F1 Tommy: the Fisher kits are in the lower range of execution, maybe because they are produced since 20 years? in former times the price was about ~80$

F1Tommy
04-05-2012, 02:49 PM
Hi Aventador,

may I ask you about your connection to Hobby Design? Are You working there?

@ F1 Tommy: the Fisher kits are in the lower range of execution, maybe because they are produced since 20 years? in former times the price was about ~80$


That's true but he has added alot of detail and photoetch since the original kits. His 512M kit($95.00 when new and now $125.00)with the new treaded tires will stand up to or look better than anyone elses "curbside" kits in the box or after they are completed. Look at how simple some of the Studio 27 kits are, and they put lots of photoetch in but not much cast in detail.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2013-Chicago March 2013

Aventador
04-06-2012, 12:00 AM
Hi Aventador,

may I ask you about your connection to Hobby Design? Are You working there?

@ F1 Tommy: the Fisher kits are in the lower range of execution, maybe because they are produced since 20 years? in former times the price was about ~80$

We are in a city, enthusiasts often communicate, this is I saw the new chart, in addition, the price, they also see your discussion, estimation should be priced at about $190.

auw12
04-06-2012, 08:16 AM
Hi Aventador,

may I ask you about your connection to Hobby Design? Are You working there?

Micha, you're naughty~ :rofl::rofl::rofl:

star21
04-07-2012, 12:07 AM
I wonder if this competitively priced GT3 version by Fujimi will be better than the Hobby Design street car? :rolleyes:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10182383

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