2011 flying lizard porsches


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sam01contact
12-15-2011, 02:30 PM
I was doing my Murcielago GT-R, but after I learned that Profil24 was doing a kit for the 2011 Flying Lizard Porsche, I knew I HAD to give it a shot!!

The cars:

Back in June 6 2011, Flying Lizard Motorsports unveiled the No. 80 and No. 81 Porsches, covered with commemorative liveries designed by artist Troy Lee to celebrate the history of Porsche at Le Mans. The designs featured the 28 drivers who have won the 24 hour race in a Porsche.

This was the first time Flying Lizard Motorsport fielded two entries in the race.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/promo1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/promo2.jpg

The Kits:

The Flying Lizard Porsches are GT3 RSRīs, so I obtained 2 Fujimi GT3R kits (The only difference between the "regular" and the Hatsune Miku kits are the decals, also, the headlight covers tinted in yellow in the Hatsune kit)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/kits.jpg

The GT3R and the GT3 RSR are very different. I ordered the Profil24 kit hoping for a good RSR body, but the only accurate pieces of that kit are the decals and the PE set.

Fortunately, Mikezibit from Scale Production pointed me to the magnificent Carrera RSR body.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/carrera1.jpg

It is a slot racing body, but the details are great. Hereīs a comparison between the Fujimi GT3R and the Carrera RSR bodies

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/comp3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/comp2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/comp1.jpg

The fujimi Chassis need some adjustments to fit in the Carrera body, but they look minor and easy to do.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/fit2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/fit1.jpg

Detail parts:

Hobby Design released a PE set for the Fujimi GT3R, and it is really nice. I specially like their details for the interior of the car and the brake discs. The Profil24 kit includes a PE set, but almost all the details included are for the body and canīt be used in the Carrera piece.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/pe.jpg

Decals:

For the moment, only DecalDoc and Profil24 offer decals to do the Flying Lizard Le Mans cars. I highly recommend the Profil24 decals. They are silk screened and they are just beautiful! You will need 2 sheets to do both cars.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/decals1.jpg

With Profil24 decals and Scale Motorsport carbon fiber decals, I am ready to begin!!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/decals2.jpg

Now, I have to give you 2 imortant notes! 1) For all of you who want to use the Carrera body, Scale Production offers PE detail and window frame decals for this body. 2) Scale Motorsport is developing a transkit to convert the Fujimi GT3R to the RSR and the transkit will inlcude decals, PE details and decals to do both Lizard cars. I got this news directly from Matt Wells (Owner of Scale Motorsport) last October. Maybe someone could send Matt a mail to ask you the status of his transkit.

Well, thatīs it for the moment! Next I will post some info about the adjustments to fit the Fujimi chassis to the Carrera body! :biggrin:

rallymaster
12-15-2011, 03:39 PM
Another great subject and build to follow !! :thumbsup:
Can't wait how you'll get the perfect aimed result from all that stuff. :)

lovegt40
12-15-2011, 03:58 PM
wow, a work I was really waiting to see done by a somebody.will subscribe to this immediately ;)

jlrobe
12-15-2011, 09:20 PM
Where did you get the Carrera Body? I have check with Carrera and they don't sell the GT3RSR body by itself.

Thanks
John Roberts

John18d
12-16-2011, 03:12 AM
Sam01contact - I just ordered a GT3R RSR slot car body from Germany. It isn't the Carerra version but I wanted to know where did you get the ProFil 24 decals??? did you get them from ProFil 24?? can you send me the internet link for ordering the decals you have? I ordered a set of each car #80 and #81 from decaldoc "Frank" in Germany. I will be interested in watching your WIP - John

aacikgoz
12-16-2011, 07:39 AM
where did you find those slot boddies? do you know any online source for them?

regards

Jedi801
12-16-2011, 11:29 AM
I will be watching this closely. I just bought a Fujimi GT3R kit and Carrera RSR body. I also contacted Profil24 to see if they would sell their decal set separately.

Are you building both? I may eventually, but I am going to build the blue #81 first.

sam01contact
12-16-2011, 08:17 PM
Where did you get the Carrera Body? I have check with Carrera and they don't sell the GT3RSR body by itself.


where did you find those slot boddies? do you know any online source for them?


I bought the carrera bodies in ebay (germany):

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Carrera-Digital-124-Porsche-RSR-GT3-Rohkarosse-/300541705821?pt=Rennbahnen_und_Slotcars&hash=item45f9ae7e5d

Ask the seller about shipping prices to the U.S. I had no problem whatsoever.

I wanted to know where did you get the ProFil 24 decals??? did you get them from ProFil 24?? can you send me the internet link for ordering the decals you have? I ordered a set of each car #80 and #81 from decaldoc "Frank" in Germany.

I ordered 2 kits directly from Profil24. I asked if they sell separate sheets...they said no :uhoh:

By the way, I sent today a mail to Scale Motorsport asking if they are still doing a transkit to do the Lizards. I hope to have their answer very soon.

Helico
12-16-2011, 10:27 PM
Looks like a great start. A rather expensive one too (2 Profil24 + 2 Fujimi + 1 Carrera = 2 Flying lizards). I will certainly keep my eyes on this one.

Did I miss your Murcielago GT-R thread somewhere?

John18d
12-17-2011, 12:51 AM
I got the slot Carrera GT3R RSR body from eBay Germany - there was a link posted above and I went there and bid on the auction and won - shipping was 15 euros but the body was only 22 euros so it only cost about $47-48 USD - it is worth the look and comparison to determine which body to use on the build - Gt3R RSR or modify the GT3R Fujimi. I also ordered a set of each number #80 and #81 from Patto's Place in Australia, but I need to determine which body will fit his decals best. - John

Shunter
12-17-2011, 07:06 PM
Looking forward to watching your progress on these two...

Jedi801
12-17-2011, 07:23 PM
I got the slot GT3R RSR body from eBay Germany - there was a link posted above and I went there and bid on the auction and won - shipping was 15 euros but the body was only 22 euros so it only cost about $47-48 USD - it is worth the look and comparison to determine which body to use on the build - Gt3R RSR or modify the GT3R Fujimi. I also ordered a set of each number #80 and #81 from Patto's Place in Australia, but I need to determine which body will fit his decals best. - John

Do you have those decals yet? If so how is the quality? I don't really like that they are full body decals. I have heard that the Decal Doc ones aren't the best quality and Profil24 won't sell the decal sheet separately. Not sure which ones to get.

lovegt40
12-17-2011, 07:38 PM
..also cause profil decals will not fit on carrera slot body. Too different bodyshape,seems even in different scale.

John18d
12-17-2011, 08:33 PM
Do you have those decals yet? If so how is the quality? I don't really like that they are full body decals. I have heard that the Decal Doc ones aren't the best quality and Profil24 won't sell the decal sheet separately. Not sure which ones to get.

Jedi - I have a set of the Patto's Place decals and the quality is good, but mine were damaged in the shipping - they were stuck together and the decal tore when I tried to separate the two sheets (#80 & # 81) - I contacted Patto about it and he said he will send replacement decals free of charge, but I am waiting to get the Carrera GT3 RSR slot body so I can check for fitment before I have him send another set. Patto said he could adjust the size of the decal to fit if I know how much. Pattos' decals are very nice in my opinion and he offers excellent service - I am still awaiting the decals from Frank at decal.doc - they only just shipped. It would be nice if Profil24 would sell the decals, but then they wouldn't sell the resin kits - they're very expensive. I figure between the Patto's decals and the decaldoc decals I will get it to work just fine. I believe "Sam01Contact" said he emailed Matt at SMS to see if they were going to do Flying Lizard also.

sam01contact
12-17-2011, 11:02 PM
Did I miss your Murcielago GT-R thread somewhere?

I have finished the body adjustments...hereīs the link:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1067772&highlight=murcielago

..also cause profil decals will not fit on carrera slot body. Too different bodyshape,seems even in different scale.

I beg to differ...The Profil24 decals will fit in the Carrera body. The GT3R nose is wider than the RSRīs, but since the Profil24 decals are not full body decals, little adjustments can be made.

Jedi801
12-20-2011, 01:32 AM
Jedi - I have a set of the Patto's Place decals and the quality is good, but mine were damaged in the shipping - they were stuck together and the decal tore when I tried to separate the two sheets (#80 & # 81) - I contacted Patto about it and he said he will send replacement decals free of charge, but I am waiting to get the Carrera GT3 RSR slot body so I can check for fitment before I have him send another set. Patto said he could adjust the size of the decal to fit if I know how much. Pattos' decals are very nice in my opinion and he offers excellent service - I am still awaiting the decals from Frank at decal.doc - they only just shipped. It would be nice if Profil24 would sell the decals, but then they wouldn't sell the resin kits - they're very expensive. I figure between the Patto's decals and the decaldoc decals I will get it to work just fine. I believe "Sam01Contact" said he emailed Matt at SMS to see if they were going to do Flying Lizard also.

Can you confirm that they are full body decals as in this image? If so I think I will look elsewhere as I want to paint the body.

http://www.pattosplace.com/decals/PGT3-FLizNo80-LM11-24.jpg

John18d
12-20-2011, 03:04 AM
Hey Nick - yes the Patto's Place decals are the full body decals - I bought them because at the time I could only find him willing to do the decals for the Flying Lizard team and as you know Profil24 will not sell them separately. I'm not disappointed in the decals from Patto and as I've stated the quality is good - I'm just not sure of the fit on the body - one thing though - Patto makes his decals for slot cars so there is a good possibility that they will fit very well. I'm going to email Patto and ask him exactly what he used to design the fit for. Also as I mentioned I bought 2 sets of #80 and #81 from Frank at decaldoc. I won't receive those I don't think until after the new years. I also managed to get 2 Carrera GT3R RSR slot car bodies from a seller in Germany for about $80.00 including the shipping. When I get it all together I'll post on the forum what in my opinion is the best way to go for those wanting to do the Flying Lizard cars. - I also have the ST27 "red" Flying Lizard decals and I'm going to use them on a Tamiya Porsche GT2 kit - John

John18d
12-20-2011, 03:08 AM
Nick - if you're going to paint the cars - what paint are you going to use?? do you have a particular color in mind and a supplier? Let us on the forum know what you figure out. I'm considering painting the cars too, but I'm not sure of the color match and how well it works with Decaldoc's decals. I like the "Zero" paints and it would be great if Hiroboy did the paints for those cars? maybe they will - John

Duncan1098
12-20-2011, 09:03 AM
Steve at Hiroboy is making me up some paints for the Profile24 cars, so should have the colours. Profile24 give two of the codes for the Zero paint but not for the darker blue.

jlrobe
12-21-2011, 12:10 AM
There are some picture from my fotki account of the #80 car from the Rennsport Reunion at Laguna Seca in October. The Orange is a very metalic color and the back very dark metalic Blue. John
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0543-jpg.html
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0546-jpg.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0990-jpg.html
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0991-jpg.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0992-jpg.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0993-jpg.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0994-jpg.html#media
http://public.fotki.com/jlrobe/rennsport-reunion-i-1/img-0989-jpg.html

Robi J
12-21-2011, 05:06 AM
For what Flying Lizard calls “deep ocean blue” (the rear area) I tested the Tamiya TS-53 (deep metallic blue) which seems a close match.

For the “candy metallic orange” Profil24 gives two Zero Paint codes: ZP-4000 (metallic silver base) + ZP-4005 (candy liquid bronze).
Can be seen on their website http://www.profil24-models.com/english/cadres_bienvenue_uk.html the bronze doesn’t match the orange decals on the rear wing and panel. I accidentally found that the arancio borealis pearl orange metallic (Zero Paint Lamborghini ZP1020) is a closer match.

Robi

lovegt40
12-21-2011, 05:55 AM
why not simply give a phone call to the real racing team using this car? When I build models for real teams I find everytime a great cooperation and help (last call I did was to BMS scuderia italia, too kndly guys and engeneers,the same for AF Corse, Jas Motorsport,BMW.The only real unkindly dept is only Ferrari staff....).
All these racing teams are quite small and very passionate enthusiast guys at first.many of theme are also modellers or collectors.
Dunno if the email works well as well.I've tried to contact Jurgen Altzen Motorsport gmbh but they didnt answer.I know for theme the pc is still a black beast.

John18d
12-21-2011, 08:44 AM
jlrobe - thanks for the pictures - John

John18d
12-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Thanks too Robi J - for the paint information - John

sam01contact
12-21-2011, 11:45 PM
OK, here we go!

The fujimi chassis parts need some adjustments to fit the Carrera body, specially in the front section. You need to convert this:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassis1.jpg

To this:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassis2.jpg

The adjusted parts will fit like this in the Carrera body:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassisinbody1.jpg

As you can see, thereīs a gap between the chassis and the body in the front section. I did this to have enough room to move the pieces when I place the finished body in the chassis at the end of the build. When the diffusers get installed, this gap will be hidden:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassisinbody2.jpg

Let me show you the cuts I made to the original parts to make them fit properly. Circled in red, are the sections I sanded or cut:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassis4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassis3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/chassis5.jpg

As you can see in the next 2 photos, the Carrera body have 4 posts to screw the slot racing chassis. Instead of eliminating this posts, I will keep them and find 2mm wide screws to attach the fujimi chassis and get a better and tighter fit at the end:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/innerbody2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/innerbody1.jpg

Thatīs it for the moment! The hardest part is done. Next time, Iīll show you the modifications of the diffusers. Thanks for watching! :biggrin:

John18d
12-22-2011, 01:58 AM
sam01contact - you are doing great - I was able to get two Carrera GT3 RSR bodies from Germany for $80 shipped - I don't suppose you want to make a paper template outlining the belly pan modifications and diffuser and post them to the internet in a PDF 1:1 scale? I am going to do both cars when I receive my Carrera bodies and decals from Frank. Keep up with all the posting and pictures for the modifications - many of us will appreciate it - John

al016223
12-22-2011, 06:19 AM
The photos of the orange car, can you see, is different in the rear to the model of Carrera. Itīs similar to the Fujimi model.
Las tomas de aire encima del motor son como las de Fujimi, no como las de Carrera.

John18d
12-22-2011, 12:47 PM
Just received my decals from Frank at "decaldoc" in Germany - these look fantastic - in my opinion the best solution if you do not have the Profil24 decals. I do not have the Profil24 decals to compare with, but the decaldoc decals will work just fine if a builder is planning on painting the body like I do. Excellent decals quality and service from Frank in Germany - for those of you interested in the quality of the decals and the service from decaldoc.- John

Robi J
12-27-2011, 09:46 AM
Very nice start Sam !

Are you going to install the Fujimi headlights and covers on the Carrera body...? The clear parts from the slot body is rather terrible...

Robi

Duncan1098
12-27-2011, 01:40 PM
Steve at Hiroboy has done the paint for us, he was saying that the Profile24 zero paint codes were not very acurate.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u199/Duncanbm/Sogo%20Keibi%20GT2/IMG_7888.jpg

John18d
12-27-2011, 06:07 PM
Duncan1098 - does Hiroboy have the paint ready for sale - I looked at the Hiroboy website, but didn't see it listed? Can you PM me if you have any ordering information - John

MidMazar
12-27-2011, 10:38 PM
Wow this is like a tutorial!! Thanks for sharing, am eager to see more progress. I wish the bodies weren't that expensive and avaliable here in the states. You europeans get all the goodies. :)

sam01contact
12-27-2011, 11:40 PM
Time to continue! But before I do...some responses to your kind comments:

I don't suppose you want to make a paper template outlining the belly pan modifications and diffuser and post them to the internet in a PDF 1:1 scale?
I will do this after I make the final assembly of one of the cars, just to be sure everything is OK.

The photos of the orange car, can you see, is different in the rear to the model of Carrera. Itīs similar to the Fujimi model.


You are right. The Carrera body is perfect for the blue car. The orange car has a different engine cover and tail lights. I am planning to adapt the Fujimi parts to one of the Carrera bodies.

Are you going to install the Fujimi headlights and covers on the Carrera body...? The clear parts from the slot body is rather terrible

Thanks Robi! The Fujimi headlight covers are too big for the Carrera body. I am planning to do some modifications to the Carrera pieces to make them look a little better. I think is either that or making new thermoformed pieces.

Steve at Hiroboy has done the paint for us, he was saying that the Profile24 zero paint codes were not very acurate.

This is great news!! But I am a little worried after seeing the photo of the paint jars, since they look plain paints, not pearlescent. I have some close up photos of the cars and I believe the paints used in the real cars are pearlescent. After checking Zero Paints catalogue, it looks to me that Arancio Atlas Pearl or Arancio Borealis Pearl (Lamborghini colors) would be better choices for the orange car.

Well, let me show you the latest work I have done:

First, I opened holes to use screws to attach the body to the chassis. The screw heads will be covered by the diffusers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/screws2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/screws1.jpg

I sanded off the mounting tabs of the rear diffuser. Also, the sides must have a different angle to fit the carrera body (the right part is the original and the left part is the final result):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/diffusers2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/diffusers1.jpg

For a proper fit of the rear diffuser with the body, the mounting holes in the chassis must be moved 1 mm to the front:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/diffholes.jpg

This way, you get a nice, tight fit:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/rearfit1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/rearfit2.jpg

After checking my references, a little "lip" of the rear diffuser must be present in the sides after the body is installed:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/rearfit3.jpg

The front diffuser of the fujimi kit is very thick, and it must follow the contour of the nose of the carrera body, so used thin sheet styrene to do a new one:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff3.jpg

I temporary glued the diffuser to the body, so I could do some fine sanding to make the contours match:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff6.jpg

In the sides of the front diffuser, a "lip" must be present on the sides:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/newfrontdiff5.jpg

After all this adjustments, the chassis and diffusers fit a lot better in the carrera body:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/finalfit2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/finalfit1.jpg

Thatīs it for the moment! Next, some detailing of the chassis and suspensions! Thanks for your interest! :smile:

SCORPIONFB
12-28-2011, 12:32 AM
Awesome! !!!! .

Wishieftrottle
12-28-2011, 08:07 AM
Keep up the great work, sir!

marmotte
12-28-2011, 08:18 AM
Very very good job. And thank you for the explanations and pictures .. They will help me when I start my own (blue lizards and falken)

John18d
12-28-2011, 09:47 AM
Excellent tutorial sam01contact - your explanations and pictures are a great help. I'm still waiting for my 2 Carrera GT3 RSR bodies to arrive from Germany. I cannot wait to get started on them. Also the Hiroboy "Zero" paint can be covered with a pearlescent clear to make it like the Flying Lizard colors. It's just the base color that needs to be correct for the pearl clear. Where is the source for the paints you have mentioned? Thanks sam01contact - John

Duncan1098
12-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Hi Sam01contact, Steves paints are all pearlescant, they are pre-mixed, so don't need a silver base coat, just sprayed onto white.

sam01contact
12-28-2011, 05:59 PM
Steves paints are all pearlescant, they are pre-mixed, so don't need a silver base coat, just sprayed onto white.

Thatīs great!! I will order the paints as soon as Steve make them available! Thanks for the info!

Where is the source for the paints you have mentioned? Thanks sam01contact - John

John, all the paints I mentioned are in the ZERO paints catalog.

Jedi801
12-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Thought these might help you out.

http://youtu.be/oKCc3YEXBIA

http://www.iconographystudios.net/wp-content/gallery/flying-lizard-progress-shots/flying-lizard-progress-1.jpg

http://www.iconographystudios.net/wp-content/gallery/flying-lizard-progress-shots/flying-lizard-progress.jpg

http://www.iconographystudios.net/wp-content/gallery/flying-lizard-progress-shots/flying-lizard-progress-3.jpg

http://www.iconographystudios.net/wp-content/gallery/flying-lizard-progress-shots/flying-lizard-progress-7.jpg

The paint is actually flat and the flake is in the clear coat. This means that the flake is present in all the graphics as well. So you are better off using the flat paints with flaked clear coat.

sam01contact
12-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Jedi801, thanks! You are right...in the original cars, the pearl effect cover all the graphics.

I am ordering the ZERO paints for the Lizards, in the order I will include their pearl clear. I want to see how big the pearl "flake" looks in 1:24. If it is too big, I prefer to use the pearl paint and cover with regular clear.

John18d
12-29-2011, 07:37 PM
It is as I had believed - when I was racing superbikes here in the USA during the late 90's we used to paint the base colors on the bike panels and then decal it with an intricate paint scheme and cover with a clear. The reason why the paint is "scotch-bite" is so the decals will lay down flat and so the clear will "bite" into the paint and not flake off at a later time. - Thanks for posting this - John

Jedi801
12-30-2011, 01:45 PM
Sam, do you have a plan for how you are going to handle the tail lights for the orange car. As you have noticed the lights on the orange car are the face lifted 997 lights while the blue car still has the pre face lift lights.

pre face lift.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/photos/Porsche_997_GT3_RS_48a107f982a3d.jpg

Post face lift.
http://i.imgur.com/3gAkA.jpg

I noticed the Fujimi model has the post face lift lights. I was thinking you could either graft the rear tail light section onto the Carrera body or modify it so the tail lights from the Fujimi kit will fit.

Shunter
12-30-2011, 11:26 PM
Loving the attention to detail so far.....looking forward to more.

sam01contact
12-31-2011, 12:46 AM
Sam, do you have a plan for how you are going to handle the tail lights for the orange car.

Well, after checking exhaustively my reference photos, I have detected all the differences between the orange and blue cars. The front is identical in both cars. (Thanks to Mikezibit for all the advice):

Basically, the blue car is the old RSR, and the orange car is the 2011 RSR. The engine covers, lights and exhaust openings are different between the 2 cars. The orange car also presents an extra air opening for the engine:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/covers.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/bluerear.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/orangerear.jpg

The Carrera body will represent exactly the blue car:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/carrera1-1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/carrera2.jpg

And the Fujimi rear section of the body is perfect for the orange car:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/fujimi1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/fujimi2.jpg

I took measurements of both cars, and as far as I can see, the best way to go for the orange car would be cuttting the whole rear section of the Fujimi body and "transplant" it to the rear section of the Carrera body.

Iīll make some serious planning to do this and show you the result very soon! :smile:

Jedi801
12-31-2011, 02:55 AM
The wing uprights are different as well. The 2011 car has the skeleton style uprights, while the older car has solid ones. I saw the skeleton ones on scaleproductions the other day, but can't find them now.

Jedi801
12-31-2011, 01:42 PM
I took some measurements, the Fujimi model is a tiny bit bigger.

http://home.comcast.net/~darksidegti/measurements.jpg

sam01contact
01-02-2012, 01:02 PM
The wing uprights are different as well. The 2011 car has the skeleton style uprights, while the older car has solid ones. I saw the skeleton ones on scaleproductions the other day, but can't find them now.

You are right. The wing supports are different. The profil 24 kit includes one pair of each support type. I think they can be easily done with styrene. I'll post a drawing of each support when I get to the body part of my build.

I took some measurements, the Fujimi model is a tiny bit bigger.

Like you showed us in your thread, this is not a problem...I'll make my "surgery" very soon and show you the results. This is fun!!

Andrea Steven
01-04-2012, 03:31 PM
[quote=sam01contact;6948501]Time to continue! But before I do...some responses to your kind comments:


I will do this after I make the final assembly of one of the cars, just to be sure everything is OK.



You are right. The Carrera body is perfect for the blue car. The orange car has a different engine cover and tail lights. I am planning to adapt the Fujimi parts to one of the Carrera bodies.



Thanks Robi! The Fujimi headlight covers are too big for the Carrera body. I am planning to do some modifications to the Carrera pieces to make them look a little better. I think is either that or making new thermoformed pieces.



This is great news!! But I am a little worried after seeing the photo of the paint jars, since they look plain paints, not pearlescent. I have some close up photos of the cars and I believe the paints used in the real cars are pearlescent. After checking Zero Paints catalogue, it looks to me that Arancio Atlas Pearl or Arancio Borealis Pearl (Lamborghini colors) would be better choices for the orange car.

Well, let me show you the latest work I have done:

First, I opened holes to use screws to attach the body to the chassis. The screw heads will be covered by the diffusers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/screws2.jpg

Well done !!!
I have the same when I made the 997 RSR #80 by Profil24
Here you can see what I did...

sam01contact
01-04-2012, 11:26 PM
Before I continue with the suspension and body work, I would like to revisit the chassis and diffusers.

As you can see in this photos:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/Flatdiffuser.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/Flatdiffuser3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/Flatdiffuser2.jpg

The rear diffuser should not have the "fins" Fujimi molded in the part. The part also have a bend just below the rear suspension, and It should be absolutely flat:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/correctdiffusers1.jpg

The chassis in the Fujimi kit sits too high, so you get a gap between the chassis and the front diffuser:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/before.jpg

The diffusers and chassis should appear like this:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/after.jpg

To do this, I used sheet styrene to obtain a new rear diffuser and central chassis and suspension "shields":

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/correctdiffusers3.jpg

I used Tamiya masking tape to do templates for carbon fiber decals. I will also use photoetched parts to add rivet and air jack detail:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/correctdiffusers4.jpg

In my next post, I will show you some detailing of the suspension and engine parts, and after that, I will cut the bodies to "transplant" the rear of the fujimi body to the carrera body. Jedi801 did an excellent job with his model, but after closely checking the 2 bodies, I think I will do my cut right here:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/cut.jpg

I believe this way I can easily match the parts and reinforce the union. To do a super fine cut, I will use the nylon thread technique. Thanks for watching! :biggrin:

John18d
01-05-2012, 09:39 AM
Sam01contact - why would you want to make the cut on the rear of the body like that?? there are several compound curves that you will have to match. Also I see it will require a lot of putty to match smoothly?? Jedi made the cut where I think it is most logical. Also what in the "nylon" method?? never heard of that technique can you explain it? I do like your changes to the belly pans and diffusers. Thanks again for sharing all your work - John

Shunter
01-05-2012, 04:30 PM
Nice work with the floor area, bring on the cutting.

MidMazar
01-06-2012, 01:55 PM
. Also what in the "nylon" method?? never heard of that technique can you explain it?

Im sure youll get a better explanation, but its what some people do to cut styrene mainly clear (glass). You need nylon thread or braided fishing line and you go back and forth pulling it and it cuts the piece. Basically its mainly the heat that cuts the part as there is so much friction with moving the thread back and forth.

lovegt40
01-06-2012, 02:35 PM
wasnt better to make the floor part after the transplant operation?

John18d
01-06-2012, 02:46 PM
Im sure youll get a better explanation, but its what some people do to cut styrene mainly clear (glass). You need nylon thread or braided fishing line and you go back and forth pulling it and it cuts the piece. Basically its mainly the heat that cuts the part as there is so much friction with moving the thread back and forth.

MidMazar - thanks for the explanation - I think Jedi "Nick" made the cut at the most logical place and has done a good job of explaining it and providing pictures. Sam01Contact has had some good ideas with the under-carriage and the belly-diffuser pans. also I think it would be better to make all the changes to the body first and then make any changes to the under-carriage and diffuser-belly pans to fit correctly. Just a thought - John

Jedi801
01-08-2012, 07:14 PM
Sam, do you have any good reference for the interior? I have some decent shots of the dashboard, but nothing from the seats back.

sam01contact
01-12-2012, 12:42 AM
Sam01contact - why would you want to make the cut on the rear of the body like that?? there are several compound curves that you will have to match. Also I see it will require a lot of putty to match smoothly?? Jedi made the cut where I think it is most logical. Also what in the "nylon" method?? never heard of that technique can you explain it? I do like your changes to the belly pans and diffusers. Thanks again for sharing all your work - John

John, as the old saying goes...There's more than one way to skin a cat. Iīll post photos of the procedure very soon.

Im sure youll get a better explanation, but its what some people do to cut styrene mainly clear (glass). You need nylon thread or braided fishing line and you go back and forth pulling it and it cuts the piece. Basically its mainly the heat that cuts the part as there is so much friction with moving the thread back and forth.

This is exactly how itīs done...The nylon thread is VERY thin and with this method you get a REALLY fine cut..almost no gap to fill. Iīll show you detailed photos of this technique.

wasnt better to make the floor part after the transplant operation?

also I think it would be better to make all the changes to the body first and then make any changes to the under-carriage and diffuser-belly pans to fit correctly.

Remember I am doing both cars. The example I posted is for the blue car. Of course I will make the same for the orange car after the body modifications to get a correct fit.

Sam, do you have any good reference for the interior? I have some decent shots of the dashboard, but nothing from the seats back.

I have some good photos of the interior wiring...Iīll post them here very soon.

Now, on with some work I did in the suspension and engine areas...I upgraded the shock absorbers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/suspension1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/suspension2.jpg

And I did new shock supports...this way, I can paint and detail them separately from the chassis:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/suspension3.jpg

At his time, I prepared the photoetched brake discs (new calipers are on their way!):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/discs.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/discs2.jpg

Fujimi molded the calipers and wheel mounts in the same piece, and since I will prepare separate calipers, I sanded off this detail from the original parts:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/discs3.jpg

The engine looks good to me. With some masking and detail painting it will look very good:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/engine.jpg

The exhaust system looks good in the Fujimi rear section of the body (orange car):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts1.jpg

The Carrera body (blue car) is another story...The openings are bigger, and you can see the exhaust part is hollow:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts3.jpg

I added some styrene to cover the "missing" sections of the exhaust system. I also sanded off the exhaust tips (I will use brass tubing to do new tips):

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts5.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts6.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts7.jpg

Now, the exhaust system looks complete in the carrera body. I will detail this part with alclad chrome and some heat stain painting.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/sam01contact/LIZARDS/exhausts8.jpg

Thatīs it for the moment...I will prepare the body modification photos for my next post! Thanks for your interest and comments! :smile:

John18d
01-12-2012, 03:08 PM
Sam01 - I wasn't criticizing with my comments - just asking some questions and thinking in print with others - Your skill is above mine at this point and I am learning some good points from you and Nick "Jedi"- I have already made my own shocks and springs using wire and aluminum tubing and rod. I like your exhaust modification as I am trying to do the "blue" car first and that was a help as I was going over several ideas to correct that problem. I had also planned to use brass tubing for the exhaust. I am awaiting word on availability for some Hobby Design items for these cars. Unfortunately my digital camera is broken - so no pictures - and unless someone buys me one, my studies at the University here are spending all my money - I'm spending my food money to build my kits - just joking. I'm interested in your cut on the body panels Sam - any further thoughts? do you see what I mean about all the compound curves? It's not impossible, but it would take a lot to fix if it didn't work out. I think Nick's cut is more logical and then just modify the portion "corner" of the rear light on the Carrera RSR that is not correct. We wouldn't think less of you and your skills if you changed your mind about the place to cut. I made my "joint" cut solid by using 0.010" thick plastic strip behind the cut rather than what Jedi did. What thickness did you use on the exhaust modification? and the shock supports? both of those came out very nicely. - thank you for sharing this build with the forum - John

John18d
01-14-2012, 09:43 PM
Sam01 - do you know the Hobby Design part number for the GT3R BBS wheels they make?? - I've been looking for them but can't find them - thanks - John

sam01contact
01-14-2012, 10:28 PM
Sam01 - do you know the Hobby Design part number for the GT3R BBS wheels they make?? - I've been looking for them but can't find them - thanks - John

John, I have seen those wheels. The number is HD03-0145

I am using Scale Production Wheels instead. They have separate chrome inserts, and aluminum rings.

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