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Since Fujimi is on a GT3 kick...


racer93
12-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Why not an Audi R8 GT3? That would be a great trio of LM-type cars! I think the three (911 GT3, BMW GT3 and now the R8) would be great sellers, as no one is touching this area right now...

Thoughts?

flyonthewall
12-07-2011, 07:34 PM
I think the only reason Fujimi tackled the 911 and the BMW is because they sponsor those two racecars. That and the interesting livery. I doubt we will see any other GT3 subjects from them apart from a re-box of those two kits, although an SLS GT might be a possibility.

If they have any good business sense they they should invest in more GT subjects as we are all crying out for them.

racer93
12-07-2011, 07:59 PM
I think the only reason Fujimi tackled the 911 and the BMW is because they sponsor those two racecars. That and the interesting livery. I doubt we will see any other GT3 subjects from them apart from a re-box of those two kits, although an SLS GT might be a possibility.

If they have any good business sense they they should invest in more GT subjects as we are all crying out for them.
I was going to put in the OP about the sponsorship but I guess I forgot. I still agree with you that more GT subjects need to be done. Maybe EBBRO, now that they're in the F1 game, might consider GT as well?

petesy
12-07-2011, 10:26 PM
Both the 911 and the Z4 happened to race in Super GT and are itasha, which they can market to race car fans as well as anime fans.

To fit with that theme, maybe they can make the LMP Motorsport F430GTC:

http://supergt.net/supergt/2011/11team/index_j027.htm?tm

hirofkd
12-07-2011, 10:53 PM
R8 GT3 is highly unlikely because no one is racing it in Japanese Super GT. The car should be done by Revell Germany, because they have Audi license, and the races take place mainly in Europe which is Revell Germany's home market. I like the fact that they released recent F1 and DTM cars, so they aren't dormant like Tamiya, but I'd like to see Revell Germany releasing two or three brand-new Nurburgring and Le Man subjects.

After the Z4 in Jan 2012, the next logical choice for Fujimi will be F430 GTC for Ikamusume tie-in, and maybe 458 GTC simply because it's a Ferrari, though I don't keep my hope high on those.

Ebbro has an exclusive license to Super GT diecasts, so they are familiar with the subjects. But knowing what the company founder couldn't do during his days at Tamiya, their first closed wheel subject in 1/24 scale will be Porsche 962, but that's just my wishful wild guess.

eyckles
12-08-2011, 09:42 AM
The Audi R8 LMS would be great, but The only manufacturer for this car is going to be Revell, becaus they have the license. But highly unlikely if they going to release that one. But then again this car won the 24 hours of Spa and was driven by all german drivers. We can only hope.

Lesley

BVC500
12-08-2011, 10:24 AM
I'm a road car guy, so that's what I like to see, but these GT subjects are definitely interesting.

Hiro, since you have excellent insights to the Japanese model market, what are your predictions for 2012 Fujimi and Tamiya releases? Someone said on another thread that Tamiya will probably release the new Subaru/Toyota sports car (a good guess IMO)?

racer93
12-08-2011, 11:01 AM
The Audi R8 LMS would be great, but The only manufacturer for this car is going to be Revell, becaus they have the license. But highly unlikely if they going to release that one. But then again this car won the 24 hours of Spa and was driven by all german drivers. We can only hope.

Lesley
Isn't it odd that *ONLY* Revell Germany has a license for Audi? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before...

auw12
12-08-2011, 12:44 PM
Hiro, since you have excellent insights to the Japanese model market, what are your predictions for 2012 Fujimi and Tamiya releases? Someone said on another thread that Tamiya will probably release the new Subaru/Toyota sports car (a good guess IMO)?

Thank you for asking that Bernard! I know it might make absolutely no sense to say it here but I'm really dying for an FF! Please Fujimi! Please Revell! Please... anybody...

Sorry racer93 for the OT...

BVC500
12-08-2011, 12:55 PM
Thank you for asking that Bernard! I know it might make absolutely no sense to say it here but I'm really dying for an FF! Please Fujimi! Please Revell! Please... anybody...

Sorry racer93 for the OT...

I'd place my bet on Revell for an FF.

drunken monkey
12-08-2011, 02:01 PM
Isn't it odd that *ONLY* Revell Germany has a license for Audi?

I don't think it's all that strange.
You've got to stop looking at this from the point of view of a model builder.

Manufacturers know that model builders will want to buy a kit or a car if either the kit is well made, or of a car that hasn't been made before. However, in order to maximise profits and hence make a kit actually viable for production, they have to attract more than just model kit builders and for Audi, beyond the R8, what other car do guys/kids actually drool over?
RS4?
Sure it has a lot of fans but they tend to be real world fans who love the car because it goes like stink, has decent boot, four doors and seats 4 in comfort.
It is a real world dream car but these guys who would love to own one wouldn't necessarily build a kit of one.

Another large market are parents buying kits as gifts for kids who like cars and /or model building.
By and large, kids also aren't going to go gaga over a fast saloon.

It's the old dilemma of cost of tooling+production vs possible kits sold and for Audi, the R8 is the only wide audience car and probably not worth it.

I mean, you would have thought Aston Martin was an obvious one to kit and these days, Maserati too but how long did it take for them to do an Aston and there's still no modern Maserati.

grundski
12-08-2011, 02:30 PM
Well made? Want kits that haven't been done? Fujimi is stupid. The have ex-Tamiya employees and all they seem to be able to release is kits that Tamiya, MFH, S27 and others have done. They have done NOTHING new. As for why Revell has the Audi and nobody else, easy. One of two factors. Audi has a RIDICULOUSLY high license fee that nobody wants to touch. Only the huge companies can touch it and it's not worth it. The other is, Revell could have an exclusivity clause in their contract. Know why Forza Motorsport doesn't have Porsche? Because EA owns the exclusive gaming rights to Porsche and exercised it keeping them out of FM4. Yea, its that simple and it has nothing to do with thinking like a modeler.

drunken monkey
12-08-2011, 02:54 PM
Fujimi is stupid. The have ex-Tamiya employees and all they seem to be able to release is kits that Tamiya, MFH, S27 and others have done. They have done NOTHING new.

I suppose (at the time of manufacture) Honda CR-Z, Nissan GTR, Toyota Prius, Toyota Sai G, Porsche 911 GT3R, Porsche Cayman, Lamborghini Mucielago, Lamborghini Gallardo, Mercedes-Benz SLS, Fiat 500, Ferrari 458, New Mini, MK V Golf, New Lexus IS, BMW Z4GT and Mazda MX5/Roadster weren't new cars that hadn't been produced in kit form by other manufacturers.

Of that list (that I can recall right now), how many are made by another kit manufacturer?

racer93
12-08-2011, 04:29 PM
DM, I think you missed my point. I wasn't looking at it from the "point of view of a model builder". I was simply asking the question as to why ONLY Revell AG had the license to Audi and no one else (as Lesley stated). I understand, as I hold a degree in Business, about why certain things get made and some not. That's completely separate.

From what I understand, the R8 LMS did very well and that's what tends to get made, in a most general sense.

I don't think it's all that strange.
You've got to stop looking at this from the point of view of a model builder.

Manufacturers know that model builders will want to buy a kit or a car if either the kit is well made, or of a car that hasn't been made before. However, in order to maximise profits and hence make a kit actually viable for production, they have to attract more than just model kit builders and for Audi, beyond the R8, what other car do guys/kids actually drool over?
RS4?
Sure it has a lot of fans but they tend to be real world fans who love the car because it goes like stink, has decent boot, four doors and seats 4 in comfort.
It is a real world dream car but these guys who would love to own one wouldn't necessarily build a kit of one.

Another large market are parents buying kits as gifts for kids who like cars and /or model building.
By and large, kids also aren't going to go gaga over a fast saloon.

It's the old dilemma of cost of tooling+production vs possible kits sold and for Audi, the R8 is the only wide audience car and probably not worth it.

I mean, you would have thought Aston Martin was an obvious one to kit and these days, Maserati too but how long did it take for them to do an Aston and there's still no modern Maserati.

MidMazar
12-08-2011, 10:33 PM
Im holding off for the r8 to be done by scale production. Which should be out hopefully soon. I have to say fujimi suprised me thus far these past few years with a bunch of cool releases. Props to them.

racer93
12-08-2011, 11:31 PM
Im holding off for the r8 to be done by scale production. Which should be out hopefully soon. I have to say fujimi suprised me thus far these past few years with a bunch of cool releases. Props to them.

That's the guy that did the 961 tk? That would be cool, as he did a good job from what I could tell on here...

hirofkd
12-09-2011, 03:18 AM
I'm a road car guy, so that's what I like to see, but these GT subjects are definitely interesting.

Hiro, since you have excellent insights to the Japanese model market, what are your predictions for 2012 Fujimi and Tamiya releases? Someone said on another thread that Tamiya will probably release the new Subaru/Toyota sports car (a good guess IMO)?

It seems that the 86/BRZ attracted fairly descent attention at Tokyo Motor Show, so it's a possibility, and fairly likely from Aoshima and Fujimi, but not likely from Tamiya. Aoshima might pull the same trick as their FC3S and S13 kits to release the 86/BRZ with an incorrect wheelbase (by 2.3mm in 1/24), using their Impreza chassis. (FYI, they used a modified FD chassis for the FC kit, and S15 chassis for the S13 kit.)

Another highly rumored kit is the rally version of the Mini Countryman from Hasegawa. As for Tamiya, I personally want them to save their money for the production version of the Porsche 918 Spyder and the Enzo successor.

>>racer93 and eyckles
I don't think Revell's Audi license is exclusive. Revell Germany and Revell USA are two separate business entities, right? In order for Revell USA to release the R8 in its own box, they also have to enter into a contract with Audi AG, even though the subject and kit contents are identical to the Revell Germany counterpart. At least that's my knowledge and understanding about licensing from some other car manufacturers (so they can collect money from every part of the world). Otherwise, Revell USA box should mention Revell Germany as a sub-licenser, but it doesn't, unlike Aoshima's SL63 kit, which is sub-licenced from Max Smart International.
Plus, I believe Fujimi and Tamiya still have an ongoing license from Audi. In fact, Tamiya just released the R8 LMS (2010 Nur class winner) in 1/10 R/C last month, and I doubt the license is limited to R/C.

So, I don't think licensing is the main problem, but it has more to do with the lack of demand. A few years ago, Aoshima released the MUSES-C spacecraft model, and it became a phenomenal success in Japan by hitting the big mark of 10,000 copies (after several production batches). In comparison, back in Nov. 1967, Tamiya sold out the first batch of 10,000 copies of 1/12 RA273 kit at the time of release, with additional production of 40,000 within the same year! I won't generalize the entire model kit industry with only two examples, but the demand is definitely weaker today.

Mikezibit
12-12-2011, 05:20 AM
Im holding off for the r8 to be done by scale production. Which should be out hopefully soon. I have to say fujimi suprised me thus far these past few years with a bunch of cool releases. Props to them.


Reference Pictures Audi R8 GT3 (http://www.scaleproduction.com/?page_id=1634)



Mike :evillol:

lovegt40
12-12-2011, 07:37 AM
also for the r8 there is only the choiche slot=>into static way to build it.
Unless u wanna try the complete HD kit.
Thank u for the nice link Mike.Also the r8 is a "Ringmaster" car, so I like it a lot.

Suspect anyway Fujimi subjects have short life, even if for us they are all interesting subjects.
As far as the new 911 is arriving on the roads,(and she is quite different from today model), in max 2 yrs will be the standard of all the racing version, so the actual 997 (quite new as model by fujimi) will be already obsolete.
The same happened for 430gt2 with 458... maybe only the racing BMW's could have longer life.

just my 2cents..

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