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[M Power] BMW M3 gt2 1/24 ...maybe..


lovegt40
10-01-2011, 10:49 AM
The number of view of all threads about BMW's makes me think about how much many many modellers like these big and heavy german cars. :p

2 yrs ago I nearly scratchbuild the italian m3 racing into our Campionato Turismo Endurance and today I finally got the slot body from scaleauto about the official gt2 car.
The 2 cars are pretty different in shape,just they are lookalike (the italian one is finished in Italy by Rolandi Auto bmw dealer after Flossman body kit conversion),while the gt2 is the official (think still guys from AC Schnitzer, but not so sure).
Looking the front wheel arches u see one of the biggest difference between the 2 m3's.
I am only really happy the diecast base I used was really in correct scale, cause the 2 cars are nearly identical in size and proportions.
At today it is still not possible to buy only the single body (according to what I have been told, maybe overseas is different),so I was lucky to find a guy selling me a damaged body that I already fixed.
It is possible anyway to buy the Art Car done by jeff koons.I had it in my hands, and the tampo decalizing was quite welldone (surely better than ANY decal printed in alps).
Now i just wait some cool livery for this gt2 :runaround: , but meanwhile....I have the car! ;)

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/17/SDC16821.JPG?et=PU50sk%2BV2mPj9P69HPX78g&nmid=489655524

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/16/SDC16820.JPG?et=w6J2K0sK98WF9Ou9BKcTwQ&nmid=489655524

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/15/SDC16819.JPG?et=WCaO6gAfh%2C8lsU13Vyy5%2Bw&nmid=489655524

The body is moulded in a very nice,thin and very hard plastic, but some details as door handles and closed air intakes have to be fixed better for a static model

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/14/SDC16818.JPG?et=nt6S4wIWdWnBVnZ3qD1BKg&nmid=489655524

:icon16: lucky they are same dimensions...

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/13/SDC16816.JPG?et=2oJYSkq4gQwX42z4uSDsFA&nmid=489655524

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/12/SDC16815.JPG?et=OK5bs8I2Dt%2BmOLYDIUgQZQ&nmid=489655524

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/11/SDC16814.JPG?et=oc%2CV9gizVFsqzV9RkJh2%2Cw&nmid=489655524

Rims are uncorrect for the Gt2 car.Unfortunately they dont match neither to the nearly-perfect-ever wheel as the BBS CSL2 is.
Shame, cause are very very thin moulded,maybe they can reused over revell's new DTM or over the C6R?

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/9/SDC16812.JPG?et=WceFploSOh5z8sKeTgXgMQ&nmid=489655524

and very nice are also the PE grille coming with the model

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/6/SDC16809.JPG?et=Q7cwgweaogoXbjmY8OhnMw&nmid=489655524

..as well as the partial roll cage provided here looks to me way smaller than the real BIG one I saw into the italian m3.Probably is a mistake in the slotbody.

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/5/SDC16808.JPG?et=z7zcRgo1Rx4HSdxDUV99SA&nmid=489655524

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/173/600x600/3/SDC16806.JPG?et=xkj0OZ%2BcvZvhLFlXYoV14g&nmid=489655524

This is imho a very good starting base for a gt2 model,I just miss a "porno" livery still not available on the real ones (wonder if they will ever make something as the jagermeister car using this :iceslolan )

As well as I still miss a decent m3e46 to make the ADAC 24 rennen winner of the past,and its diecast to start with is hard to find and expensive here.

MPWR
10-01-2011, 10:44 PM
The number of view of all threads about BMW's makes me think about how much many many modellers like these big and heavy german cars. :p

Nah, I liked BMWs before they became big and heavy. :frown: Gimme a 2002tii kit!

jano11
10-02-2011, 06:17 AM
They are not big (not the 3 series anyway) but damn heavy (even the small ones).

endac
10-02-2011, 07:49 AM
I've always loved BMWs. It's a shame there aren't more kits out there of the more modern stuff

oter
10-02-2011, 08:20 AM
cant say i like this bodystyle.

i think this look better:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1996/Mosport-1996-08-25-0007.jpg

i have the transkit from quick skins,so i can build this car,but i dont know if it would be built:p

lovegt40
10-02-2011, 10:26 AM
cant say i like this bodystyle.

i think this look better:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1996/Mosport-1996-08-25-0007.jpg

i have the transkit from quick skins,so i can build this car,but i dont know if it would be built:p

The M3E36 gtr was one of the nicest ever (I prefer the classical bavarian Warsteiner livery btw).
Was only done as horrible die cast by bburago decades ago.To work on it to (try) obtain a decent model is an hell.
I dunno (and dont think) if somebody else did the gtr e36 in 24th scale.

Also I think all these racing BMWs would be a bestseller for plastic kit company (mostly in the past with a really better market).Is enough to think at the beauty of kits as the alfa 155 or the Calibra from Tamiya...

is this the tk u mean?:
http://www.slotracinglemans.com/newforum/cars.php?action=car&carid=45&modid=74

360spider
10-02-2011, 10:33 AM
Nah, I liked BMWs before they became big and heavy. :frown: Gimme a 2002tii kit!

TBH, I'm getting tired of hearing this, simply because I don't think this is relevant. Andy, have you driven new M3? Or even 135i Coupe? Yes, they are not as light as they used to be, but that's irrelevant. They are amazing cars, and they can do so much more even with their massive bodies.

And I'm speaking from experience. I had E36 M3 Coupe, and I still own Z3 M Coupe, the original "clown shoe". Both cars are very light compared to the current BMWs. I also own E60 5er and E63 6er, which are both very heavy cars. But their weight is irrelevant. They are better handling and performing cars than both E46 M3 and M Coupe. Their engines are better, their suspensions are crisper, their steering is more precise, their gearboxes are faster, and handling makes those old M's feel like Ford Model Ts. Not quite, but you get the point.

oter
10-02-2011, 10:34 AM
The M3E36 gtr was one of the nicest ever (I prefer the classical bavarian Warsteiner livery btw).
Was only done as horrible die cast by bburago decades ago.To work on it to (try) obtain a decent model is an hell.
I dunno (and dont think) if somebody else did the gtr e36 in 24th scale.

Also I think all these racing BMWs would be a bestseller for plastic kit company (mostly in the past with a really better market).Is enough to think at the beauty of kits as the alfa 155 or the Calibra from Tamiya...

is this the tk u mean?:
http://www.slotracinglemans.com/newforum/cars.php?action=car&carid=45&modid=74

yes,that is the transkit i have

lovegt40
10-02-2011, 10:36 AM
wow ! Alex is a bimmer ! :D :D

Other, so to build it u need a Dragon/hasegawa/revell M3. They are quite rare and expensive today (also I saved nearly all the e36 I found around,including the ugly compact).
It is anyway a better base than burago brick.

oter
10-02-2011, 10:44 AM
i have dragons 318is btcc as donor

360spider
10-02-2011, 11:02 AM
wow ! Alex is a bimmer ! :D :D


I have been a bimmerhead for a long time. IMO, there is nothing on the road today, that can be beat as far as performance/value for your money. Yes, there are Porsches and Ferraris, etc but they are usually much more $$. I owned a Boxster and I will never, ever buy a Porsche again. It was breaking ALL the time, and there is not a single part on that car that is less than $250. I'm not kidding. Every single repair bill or part purchase was $250 or more. And there was a lot of them, for a car that only had 13K miles on it.

I had Z3 M Coupe for 4 years now, and I'm yet to fix anything on it. The car has 98K miles, and its 12 years old. It just works as it supposed to. Maintenance and wear parts are cheap too.

Used bimmers are such bargains! You get so much car for very little $$ and they do perform and rarely break. That's a good buy in my book :-) Maybe that is why I have not driven anything but BMW since 2001.

ddtham
10-02-2011, 05:33 PM
Nice! Would love to see a built model of that M3.

Just to add into the discussion, my old 4.4 X5 breaks down all the time. Maybe it's a South Carolina thing... :D

Mikezibit
10-02-2011, 05:40 PM
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1017976&page=2

I have a Tamiya Mitsubishi Ev7 chassis with rollcage for the BMW

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod09/Cars/M3%20GT2/IMG_4551.JPG




Mike

lovegt40
10-02-2011, 05:41 PM
no, it is not a problem only for SC.There is a big discussion about such in italian bimmer forums.
The x5 (older serie) had serious quality problems,and being a top level SUV, the repairs are always quite expensive and not definitive.The most scary one is surely the automatic gear shifter, coming from GM and not done oem by bmw itself.
Consider down here was one of the bestseller suv ever,and today nearly disappear from the road.
Be really careful and change its oil very often,even if probably in Usa repair it will be possible (here nobody can repair an automatic gear shifter.They only change all the part)

lovegt40
10-02-2011, 05:56 PM
I dream of a livery as this one, being the official M one of the most boring one ever seen on a bmw.Only a rendering for now...but maybe ;)...

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1002/jagermeisterbmwm3gt2byd.jpg

ddtham
10-02-2011, 06:19 PM
I was jokingly referring to the X5 being built in Spartanburg, South Carolina instead of Germany like most other Bimmers.

The V8 X5 has transmission built by ZF, I think GM did the I6 transmission. X5 has that lifetime sealed tranny fluid and most people don't change it until it starts acting up (too late!). I think transmission rebuilt is around $7500.

My old X5 had 5 year bumper to bumper extended warranty, but there's still other crap that broke down (coolant system, check engine, door locks, windows, etc). Great thing I can do most of the fixes myself by going to forums, or else my indie shop/dealer would be very happy.

I sold it moved to amg and never looked back, except when there's Ms on my rear view mirror... :D

no, it is not a problem only for SC.There is a big discussion about such in italian bimmer forums.
The x5 (older serie) had serious quality problems,and being a top level SUV, the repairs are always quite expensive and not definitive.The most scary one is surely the automatic gear shifter, coming from GM and not done oem by bmw itself.
Consider down here was one of the bestseller suv ever,and today nearly disappear from the road.
Be really careful and change its oil very often,even if probably in Usa repair it will be possible (here nobody can repair an automatic gear shifter.They only change all the part)

lovegt40
10-02-2011, 06:27 PM
The lifetime oil for gear shifter becomes a problem.I didnt want to change mine..until I saw the difference with brand new oil and the ones coming from my (manual) shifter (e36 serie)
I really dunno why they started this lifetime idea of oil. I changed it, was also quite cheaper, even if surely smaller than an x5 v8.The same for the oil in the lsd.After 100.000 kmts I change all oils of such mechanical parts.

Better u didnt had such problems ;) too many down here bought it as second hand and without warrantee,and many had to trash the car after 1 year of use.The changing of the shifter cost here usually over 12.000 euro,while all the car value half.

willimo
10-02-2011, 08:27 PM
I have 3 Hondas and they never break, which is good because I am also a Honda mechanic, and I stand around all day like the Maytag man not making any money.... ;)

lovegt40
10-03-2011, 04:06 AM
other nice rendering.

http://cd125.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/senza-titolo-2.jpg?w=614&h=345

http://www.avto.goodfon.com/wallpaper/previews/119847-n.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B-h8foGsa04/TPSEpQWtBuI/AAAAAAAAAC8/dLcaTP9h1_8/s1600/BMW.racing-1-3.jpg

360spider
10-03-2011, 01:20 PM
Nice! Would love to see a built model of that M3.

Just to add into the discussion, my old 4.4 X5 breaks down all the time. Maybe it's a South Carolina thing... :D

I doubt it. All E36/7 Z3/M Roadsters and E36/8 Z3/M Coupes, E85 Z4/M Roadsters and Coupes, E89 Z4s, all X3, X5/M, and X6/M are built in Carolina. I had 2 Z3 Roadsters and Z3M Coupe and all 3 were solid.
I think newer cars (i.e. X5 compared to Z3) are just poorly designed, rushed to the market. Both my 5er and 6er, both built in Germany had a fair share of minor problems.
BMW is one of the first carmakers (and in 87% statistically - first ever) to bring new technologies to the market, and in a race for market share and dominance, some of these technologies are raw, and thus higher number of faults.
Once technologies are refined, they are solid. X5 were the first trucks they built, so there must have been some kinks.

ddtham
10-03-2011, 02:33 PM
I was joking when I said the South Carolina thing, hence the smiley face.

BMW always have knick-knacks breaking down that have been out on the market for a long time, namely power window regulators, door locks, trim pieces here and there, etc. I am not knocking on Bimmers as I always have been a fan, had E30 325e, E36 M3, E36 323i, E38 728il, E53 X5 4.4i, but none of them have never had their window regulators changed.

It feels like Bimmers really focus on everything that is related to driving dynamics that they kinda forgot about other things that make a car.

I am not sure where you get that statistic, but I am sure that Daimler invented more technologies than other carmakers. Their focus is different than Bimmers, but they do have more flavors for everyone out there and that seems to somehow cheapen down their brand in my opinion.


I doubt it. All E36/7 Z3/M Roadsters and E36/8 Z3/M Coupes, E85 Z4/M Roadsters and Coupes, E89 Z4s, all X3, X5/M, and X6/M are built in Carolina. I had 2 Z3 Roadsters and Z3M Coupe and all 3 were solid.
I think newer cars (i.e. X5 compared to Z3) are just poorly designed, rushed to the market. Both my 5er and 6er, both built in Germany had a fair share of minor problems.
BMW is one of the first carmakers (and in 87% statistically - first ever) to bring new technologies to the market, and in a race for market share and dominance, some of these technologies are raw, and thus higher number of faults.
Once technologies are refined, they are solid. X5 were the first trucks they built, so there must have been some kinks.

jano11
10-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Well I'm getting a new company car (Audi A4) soon and one of my colleagues convinced me to try his 6 months old BMW 320d, the conclusion is that the 4 years old A4 is a better car any day.

360spider
10-03-2011, 04:26 PM
Well I'm getting a new company car (Audi A4) soon and one of my colleagues convinced me to try his 6 months old BMW 320d, the conclusion is that the 4 years old A4 is a better car any day.

I think it would be logical to reach a conclusion after you drive that Audi for 6 months.

360spider
10-03-2011, 04:35 PM
BMW always have knick-knacks breaking down that have been out on the market for a long time, namely power window regulators, door locks, trim pieces here and there, etc.

It feels like Bimmers really focus on everything that is related to driving dynamics that they kinda forgot about other things that make a car.

Well, BMW focuses on its core competencies, because this is what BMW buyers want. If your window regulators, etc break once in a while, its not that big of a deal. Not saying that they should break, just saying that this is not what I buy a vehicle for. All, absolutely all cars break, some more some less. If anything BMW has increased their quality quite a bit lately, which I can't really say about MB, though, they never were particularly bad to begin with.

87% of new technologies that BMW brought to the market in the last 10 years were never before used on any car. I'm not sure what % it is for MB.

ddtham
10-03-2011, 05:52 PM
Well, BMW focuses on its core competencies, because this is what BMW buyers want. If your window regulators, etc break once in a while, its not that big of a deal. Not saying that they should break, just saying that this is not what I buy a vehicle for. All, absolutely all cars break, some more some less. If anything BMW has increased their quality quite a bit lately, which I can't really say about MB, though, they never were particularly bad to begin with.

If it's an M car that is having issues with anything not related to driving dynamics, I can forgive. But if it's run-of-the-mill 3 Series, then it's a different story. Funnily enough, M cars seem to be more reliable than its non-M counterparts.

lovegt40
10-03-2011, 07:25 PM
guys u both are american :D !!! help american economy and buy US cars :D not european panzers (btw I only owned german cars....cause still no money for that ferrari spider I like:D)

360spider
10-03-2011, 08:55 PM
guys u both are american :D !!! help american economy and buy US cars :D
Umm...actually...I'm not American. Born and raised in Siberia, Russia.
I still don't know how I ended up in Texas... :-)

But if it's run-of-the-mill 3 Series, then it's a different story. Funnily enough, M cars seem to be more reliable than its non-M counterparts.

It is a perception - there are a lot more regular bimmers than M-cars (like hundreds of thousands more) - thus a lot more owners of regular 3er and 5ers, etc that complain about their cars. That creates a perception that there are a lot more problems on these cars vs. M-cars.

aacikgoz
10-04-2011, 12:39 PM
hi,

where can I buy that BMW body? any online source?

regards

ddtham
10-04-2011, 01:16 PM
guys u both are american :D !!! help american economy and buy US cars :D not european panzers (btw I only owned german cars....cause still no money for that ferrari spider I like:D)

:D I am not an American either, I was born and raised in Indonesia and just moved here 10 years ago. I grew up around mercedes though, family had old mbs.

I think Ferraris are cheaper here than anywhere else in the world, there is an F355 spider for sale locally for $45K!

360spider
10-04-2011, 01:23 PM
:D I am not an American either, I was born and raised in Indonesia and just moved here 10 years ago. I grew up around mercedes though, family had old mbs.

I think Ferraris are cheaper here than anywhere else in the world, there is an F355 spider for sale locally for $45K!


You know that an oil change on a F355 is about $4500, right? :-)
I (obviously) follow Ferrari market closely, and I would never buy a used Ferrari. I can afford one, heck, I can probably afford 2. Old ones are cheap, but their purchase price is only about 40% of the investment. You will spend another 60% or more of its original price on maintenance in the first 2 years! And we all know what a Ferrari with shady or absent maintenance history worth on a market.... So...no thanks.

ddtham
10-04-2011, 01:38 PM
You know that an oil change on a F355 is about $4500, right? :-)
I (obviously) follow Ferrari market closely, and I would never buy a used Ferrari. I can afford one, heck, I can probably afford 2. Old ones are cheap, but their purchase price is only about 40% of the investment. You will spend another 60% or more of its original price on maintenance in the first 2 years! And we all know what a Ferrari with shady or absent maintenance history worth on a market.... So...no thanks.

I know that a Ferrari costs roughly $1 a mile to maintain. That is why I would rather get a 911 Turbo... at least they are built like a tank and still has more than enough poise and performance compared to any car on that side of the globe.

lovegt40
10-05-2011, 04:12 AM
Absolutely true.The quotations of Frrari are the lowest ever in USA when they are not brand new.
:D so, we must buy a ferrari in us and maintain it here in italy (all parts are from fiat group, u need a good mechanic to discover...in what fiat!!).All the internal generic parts into the 355 are from fiat of the same time :D we gamed a lot in discover what coffin was givin the lights buttons, the wispers,the plastics,the air vents..:D
Unfortunately, after some years, ferrari ceases to produce spare parts (as for the 208/308/328 series) and today they are rebuild by a british company, at a price even more stellar than originals.
Remember the ferrari is not a car, but is a status symbol all over the world.When u own it, means to other humans,u are rich.Period.
Also Montezemolo recently reminded such,excluding forever the project of a "cheap" ferrari as porsche did with 968 crappy Boxster.

The same for porsche anyway,I still remember a check to a 996 I saw in person,where the radiator ducts were exactly the same of the vw golf of the same period.
Golf rubber tube was for 8 euro,the identical (guys..not similar, really identical eh..) for 996 was for 200 :D
Keep a modelling eye also there...and YES!we can do it!
Rich toys,rich prices....basically it is correct.

Returning on topic, the body of this BMW can be found as complete slot car in ebay.Price around 80 euros.

jano11
10-07-2011, 04:35 PM
I think it would be logical to reach a conclusion after you drive that Audi for 6 months.

Did it for 4 years. ;)

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