Hey hey hey...

I own a 1996 Honda Accord Ex with the mild mods listed below. I didn't want to put too much money into the engine since I plan on swapping it out with the H22 next year and the motor now has 122k on it. So, in the meantime.. I figured for an extra umphh, I bought the Zex dry kit and installed it knowing that it would be transferrable to my new engine when the time comes. I am running the 55shot now and the car is taking like a champ. :D I wondered what you guys think of me going up to the 65 shot or maybe even the 75 every once in a while? The guys at Zex said I could if I retarded the timing with the 75 but would be ok with the 55 and 65. Doesn't my car (OBD2) come with knock sensors and O2 sensors that balance the air/fuel ration in my car? I mean would I know that I am doing damage before damage actually happens or is it one of those (SURPRISE, YOUR FUCKED!) situations? I know detonation is the problem, but would I actually stand a strong chance of that with these low shots and the mild mods or not? What do you guys think? throw the 65 in there and see how she runs????

Let me know...

A 65 shot will ''probably'' be OK. It's not the issue of detonation as much as an issue of the stock rods being able to handle 75. Stay at 65 or less just to be safe. Maybe the day before you want to do the swap do a 75 shot:)
Hope you have AAA so you can get towed for free. (Just in case)

i agree with pwman. you have no bottom end reinforcements and your current mods will not help you run higher shots....so i say stay with 55 for now....maybe go up to 65....but make sure that you compensate with fuel...and yes you are right up to a point about the ecu being able to compensate with extra fuel but the stock ecu and fuel system can only do so much.....to really start compensating for big shots you'll need upgrtaded fuel sytem and a piggyback or stand alone or reburned ecu....




also be careful about puting big shots on h22....unless its reinforced....from what i hear from the honda guys the h22 has pretty weak rods stock....

How soon are you thinking of going with the new engine? I don't know for sure, but I'm confident that the stock internals could handle a 100 or 125 shot with the proper fuel setup(wish I had a spare honda layin' around to test this out on:D). The thing is that a fuel system strong enough to do that might end up costing you a lot more then you plan on spending on this engine. I say you'd be fine with a 65 or even a 75 shot on the stock rods. Run 94 or 95 octane if you can get it, and maybe look into a patched up ECU and a fuel pump if you're really worried about getting into trouble. As long as you avoid detonation, you motor can easily handle a 75 shot of nitrous on occassion, I would think.

Originally posted by Self
How soon are you thinking of going with the new engine? I don't know for sure, but I'm confident that the stock internals could handle a 100 or 125 shot with the proper fuel setup(wish I had a spare honda layin' around to test this out on:D). The thing is that a fuel system strong enough to do that might end up costing you a lot more then you plan on spending on this engine. I say you'd be fine with a 65 or even a 75 shot on the stock rods. Run 94 or 95 octane if you can get it, and maybe look into a patched up ECU and a fuel pump if you're really worried about getting into trouble. As long as you avoid detonation, you motor can easily handle a 75 shot of nitrous on occassion, I would think.

you just want to experiment how much his engine can take....:D

Hmmmm......ok good shit! So how can I make my car go as fast as the red one in the Fast and the Furious?..... that was a joke!

So, fill me in on the "rod" scenario? I can understand the detonation part about the stock fuel pump or even injectors not being able to keep up with the demand in the higher shots... really that's pretty damn close to common sense. Now with the "rod" story, obviously the only thing that would prevent that would be.....uh stronger rods right?!?!:bloated: and being that I am going to do the motor swap soon and not wanting to dump any more money into the engine that is something I would stay away from right? Or is there something else I can do that I don't know about? What's the deal with the F22's and the H22's not being able to handle anything either it seems? Would I'd be out of my mind if I wanted to turbo the H22 with say a T28 or T25 at 6-7psi and run a shot? Little of the subject there but I think I gonna throw the 65 shot in there tomorrow and see what happens. If anything goes wrong I'll be holding a personal lawsuit against all of you...:D

Let me know....and thanks so far!

yeah that is exactly what we meant since you don't want to get stronger rods for your current engine just stay away from high shots...its not worth the risk.


about turbocharging the H22 agan i'm not 100% sure but from what i hear from the honda guys it has very weak rods....hopefully one of the other guys with hondas in this forum will enlighten us.