While I am one of Fords biggest detrators, I don't think crowing about a minor handling advantage to the Maxima or M3 is called for. None of us drive our cars to the edge of their traction. We do however quite often move off the line as fast as it'll go.

I have a 87LX, that will pull over 73mph in a slalom, and pull 1g on the skid pad.

I have coilovers, panhard bar, torque arm, front springs are 400lbs, and rear are 350, and caster and camber plates. All parts are from Maximum Motorsports.

I also own a GTR, if I go racing guess which one will win:biggrin:

Originally posted by RedNeck383



If you build the motor right, it wont have problems. That goes for your back yard Chevy 350 motor to a Highly built SR20DET from some pro shop.

Bad cornering?... Guess you missed out on the last 35 years of the F-Body and still the Mustang... Both are very fast cars. And both can turn corners like nobodies business. Lets not even get started on the whole 'Vette and Viper handling thing... those cars just Own most anything in stock form.

:lol: For Pete's sake man... its Ferrari!:slap:

well maybe i should look at some american muscle then. Like i said I CANT SPELL. i am a :loser:

well maybe i should look at some american muscle then.

GOOD! :bigthumb:

Originally posted by JBL85


Ill take American Muscle any day over German Shit, I beat a 98 M3 in a 2000 GT stang, that was with no traction off the line while hte M3 has all that traction technology. What a over priced piece of shit. They may pimp chicks, but when it comes down to being a real car, american muscle owns and from my experience, is even more reliable.

German shit:angryfire:banhim: With narrow minded statements like that I think I speak for everyone when I say your not welcome here.

Second unless that GT was modified I have to throw up the:bs: flag. Your trying to get us to beleave that you beat a 13sec car in a 15sec one:sly: Now I am not saying it couldnt happen, maybe he missed a shift or something, but dont act like its norm for GT's to beat M3's. Sounds to me like you just got pissed off because you felt your car company was being attacked so you just tried to get back at the person by saying you beat a car the same kind and year as theres. Please people grow up :nono:

Originally posted by RACER D12


You didn't miss anything, we just all unanimously decided that European cars OWN all:bigthumb:
you wish :biggrin2:

Originally posted by RACER D12


German shit:angryfire:banhim: With narrow minded statements like that I think I speak for everyone when I say your not welcome here.

Second unless that GT was modified I have to throw up the:bs: flag. Your trying to get us to beleave that you beat a 13sec car in a 15sec one:sly: Now I am not saying it couldnt happen, maybe he missed a shift or something, but dont act like its norm for GT's to beat M3's. Sounds to me like you just got pissed off because you felt your car company was being attacked so you just tried to get back at the person by saying you beat a car the same kind and year as theres. Please people grow up :nono:

damn...i missed a lot...ah well...

1st, the 2000 GT isn't a 15 second car, more like a 14.0 car. the late 90's m3's pull low 14's all day as well, so it'd be a very close race. i understand u want him to be more open minded, but plz, have accurate times atleast in ur arguement.:bigthumb:

Originally posted by Shinez
but the new cobra does NOT own me...


Yes, I forgot.. BMW's are just king of the road. I'll be sure to watch out for you Mr. Man.. with you 'drop in filter' and exhaust.

WATCH OUT GUYS... HES GOT A...A FILTER!!!!!

Originally posted by JBL85


Ill take American Muscle any day over German Shit, I beat a 98 M3 in a 2000 GT stang, that was with no traction off the line while hte M3 has all that traction technology. What a over priced piece of shit. They may pimp chicks, but when it comes down to being a real car, american muscle owns and from my experience, is even more reliable.

Come on now..You think I baught the M3 for stictly racing purposes?..Hell no..If I wanted a "racing M3" I would have gotten a Super lightweight M3 as compared to the bulky standard E36 M3....yeah I'll race it from time to time, but from day 1 I had no intention of going all out on it....That's what the Rx-7 and Civic are for..

Originally posted by Shinez


Come on now..You think I baught the M3 for stictly racing purposes?..Hell no..If I wanted a "racing M3" I would have gotten a Super lightweight M3 as compared to the bulky standard E36 M3....yeah I'll race it from time to time, but from day 1 I had no intention of going all out on it....That's what the Rx-7 and Civic are for..


Hmm ok then... But by the looks of things... It seems like your M3 would still be as fast if not a bit faster than your Civic and Rx-7.

Any clue as to what your play cars run?

Originally posted by RedNeck383



Hmm ok then... But by the looks of things... It seems like your M3 would still be as fast if not a bit faster than your Civic and Rx-7.

Any clue as to what your play cars run?

i'd say his vic is around low 14's...MAYBE high 13's.

so his "built" car isn't' much quicker than his M3 if at all...

Originally posted by RedNeck383



Yes, I forgot.. BMW's are just king of the road. I'll be sure to watch out for you Mr. Man.. with you 'drop in filter' and exhaust.

WATCH OUT GUYS... HES GOT A...A FILTER!!!!!


Oh! look who's talking, some yokel pushing a Nova.:icon16:

Originally posted by Ringo



Oh! look who's talking, some yokel pushing a Nova.:icon16:


Oh really Mr. Man...

I suppose your Taurus is any better?:rolleyes:

Actually i'd assume it ran faster than High 13's..simply because the car ran 14.4@99.3 when the engine was in "purchased condition"....With the stock honda torsen LSD, lightened flywheel(done by the installers before purchase)...And my car is of course gutted(Not to the extreme, I still have door cards...but, no carpet sparco corsa's no center console no deadener no spare and lexan side windows(still glass windsheild and hatch due to legality)...but since the modifications i havn't been able to run it...I need new axles, and a new rear quarter to my Transmission case.......DAMN CHEAPLY MADE JAPANESE CARS..but..I love it.....
I don't know the Rx-7 at all..I havn't driven it "hardcore" yet..I've been mainly toying around with drifting and what not...Pretty advantageous when it comes to learning balance.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


damn...i missed a lot...ah well...

1st, the 2000 GT isn't a 15 second car, more like a 14.0 car. the late 90's m3's pull low 14's all day as well, so it'd be a very close race. i understand u want him to be more open minded, but plz, have accurate times atleast in ur arguement.:bigthumb:

I've seen late 90s M3's run high 13's but maybe im thinking of the newer ones, my bad:bricks1: However are you sure about the GT from what I have seen and heard their not that fast stock. I mean if they were 14sec cars I think we would all be hearing more good things about them. Where did you get your numbers?

Originally posted by RACER D12


I've seen late 90s M3's run high 13's but maybe im thinking of the newer ones, my bad:bricks1: However are you sure about the GT from what I have seen and heard their not that fast stock. I mean if they were 14sec cars I think we would all be hearing more good things about them. Where did you get your numbers?

The newer GTs are low 14 second cars. Driven one myself to a 14.3 with a bad 60', so I knowthey can do even better. Yet to see one pass in th 13s hough, and I've seen ~50 different ones run here at sea level. It'd be a close race...To close for me to bet either way.

Originally posted by RedNeck383



Oh really Mr. Man...

I suppose your Taurus is any better?:rolleyes:


My Taurus is so powerfull it rips transmissions apart, i've changed it twice.
And it takes the corners so tightly that the winshields crack!

Originally posted by RACER D12


German shit:angryfire:banhim: With narrow minded statements like that I think I speak for everyone when I say your not welcome here.

Second unless that GT was modified I have to throw up the:bs: flag. Your trying to get us to beleave that you beat a 13sec car in a 15sec one:sly: Now I am not saying it couldnt happen, maybe he missed a shift or something, but dont act like its norm for GT's to beat M3's. Sounds to me like you just got pissed off because you felt your car company was being attacked so you just tried to get back at the person by saying you beat a car the same kind and year as theres. Please people grow up :nono:

Im so Open minded that I went from liking German cars to disliking them and liking American cars. I've driven both, interior on german cars is Decent, I still like Lexus interior better, although the S class and CL class mercedes are pretty sweet. BMW is a very nice looking car but its not for me.

Keep in mind a 98 M3 is not a 13 second car. Here is how we determined this, we went to the track with a GT stang with a K&N filter and an M3 with Intake and exhaust. It was about 85* outside. Since the guy in the M3 wasnt the best driver and wouldnt let me drive his car, I drove the GT since I was not experienced with it. I hit a 14.1 with no traction. He hit a 14.4 with a good launch. Thats not B.S. thats actually driving and he admitted he drove his best without miss shifting.

I believe M3's can easily hit 13s with good weather and a good driver, but the reliablity of a highly tuned BMW motor to run reliable is not something I have heard. GT stangs have hit high 13's numerous times in stock form. This is not a suprise my friends stang was picking on an M3 like it was cake....or more like I was since I was driving. This mustang with just exhaust and the K&N intake has beaten many S2000's as well, this is from a dead stop up until high speeds, so its no slug. I talk from expereince, many of my friends have/had m3's, usually blowing a water pump or interior falling apart. The GT stang is my good friends car, that thing has 50000 miles on it and is almost bullet proof, and this guy doesnt even take care of his car.

By the way, Neither American or German cars are my company, I love Nissan and will stick with them. But if it came down to buying a Supercar, I would buy American, if it came down to Luxury, it would be Lexus or a very expensive Mercedes.

Nick

Originally posted by JBL85


Im so Open minded that I went from liking German cars to disliking them and liking American cars. I've driven both, interior on german cars is Decent, I still like Lexus interior better, although the S class and CL class mercedes are pretty sweet. BMW is a very nice looking car but its not for me.

Keep in mind a 98 M3 is not a 13 second car. Here is how we determined this, we went to the track with a GT stang with a K&N filter and an M3 with Intake and exhaust. It was about 85* outside. Since the guy in the M3 wasnt the best driver and wouldnt let me drive his car, I drove the GT since I was not experienced with it. I hit a 14.1 with no traction. He hit a 14.4 with a good launch. Thats not B.S. thats actually driving and he admitted he drove his best without miss shifting.

I believe M3's can easily hit 13s with good weather and a good driver, but the reliablity of a highly tuned BMW motor to run reliable is not something I have heard. GT stangs have hit high 13's numerous times in stock form. This is not a suprise my friends stang was picking on an M3 like it was cake....or more like I was since I was driving. This mustang with just exhaust and the K&N intake has beaten many S2000's as well, this is from a dead stop up until high speeds, so its no slug. I talk from expereince, many of my friends have/had m3's, usually blowing a water pump or interior falling apart. The GT stang is my good friends car, that thing has 50000 miles on it and is almost bullet proof, and this guy doesnt even take care of his car.

By the way, Neither American or German cars are my company, I love Nissan and will stick with them. But if it came down to buying a Supercar, I would buy American, if it came down to Luxury, it would be Lexus or a very expensive Mercedes.

Nick

Very fascinating...:rolleyes: If you havent noticed, BMW is not trying to compete with your ductape constructed American cars. If they where they would have installed their V8, with over 400 hp stock, which would bitchslap any domestic dong that the big three can jumble together.

and if you really were to pick an American car over a German one, well that's probably because you're a neanderthal that couldn't tell the difference between living in a cave eating rotting animals and living in a penthouse in Manhattan dining at fine restaurants.

No wonder you were the Beatle that never got any chicks. :loser:

There ARE crappily built German cars (Trabants, BMW Isettas, Messerschmidt KR500s, diesel Mercedes-Benz sedans from the late 70's, Volkswagen Buses and Kammbacks). There ARE crappily built Japanese cars (Suzuki Swifts, Isuzus for the most part, 80's Mitsubishis for the most part). There ARE crappily built American cars (Ford Pinto, Edsel, AMC Pacer, Chevy Vega).

But there are good cars that come from these countries as well. Cars are like people, you've got to take them one at a time and judge accordingly otherwise you'll just miss out.

Originally posted by Octagon
No wonder you were the Beatle that never got any chicks. :loser:



Yeah Yeah!:biggrin2:
You're right about giving all cars a chance, but I've seen too many Neons running around with peeling paint, peeling paint on a 5 year old car? I had a BMW from 1975, the paint is so rich that it never peeled off.
And comparing an M3 to a Mustang, even if the Mustang is faster, honestly, you look at these cars underneath at the dealer's showroom and they are already rusted! RUSTED! never been driven, you're paying the inflated sticker price for a Mustang and you're buying a rusted car. The paint quality is inferior, and the aesthetic of the design...there is none, probably the same designer that designed the cinder block is now designing Mustangs.

I had a BMW from 1975, the paint is so rich that it never peeled off.
Do you realize that is because you took care of that car? It's not like I haven't seen an old BMW around this area that looked like shit, from peeled paint to rusted mufflers dangling a centimeter off the ground.

Whatever I'm not going to push that any further. This topic is done someone fucking close it.

When will people get it into their heads that (again) THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BETTER, when it comes to over-all. There is just what's best for YOU.

Even Nissan's R390, or Mclaren's F1, or Saleen's S7 has its drawbacks...and not everybody would want one, crazy as it might sound. Hell, the Pinto, the Fiestas, and the Azteks got bought by SOMEBODY.


Just a thought...

...do Japanese or German drivers argue about import vs domestic?

...do Italians ever have to justify their domestics?

...will this thread ever end?

Dunno about the first two, but I sure can answer the last one.