MP4-12C's official public unveiling at the 2010 Goodwood FOS
Peloton25
07-01-2010, 06:57 PM
The groundbreaking 12C will be unveiled to a public audience for the first time at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed, which is held from 01-04 July. What's more, current Formula 1 World Champion Jenson Button and 2008 Formula 1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton will be driving a 12C prototype up the famous Goodwood Hi...ll at the event. It's going to be a fantastic spectacle.
Goodwood will see Button and Hamilton race the VP9 Validation Prototype of the car, painted in McLaren Orange, up Goodwood Hill during the Supercar Run on Saturday and Sunday.
If you are intending to visit the Festival of Speed this weekend, please do visit the McLaren Automotive stand and see the stunning 12C in the metal. We will also be displaying the 1995 Le Mans-winning McLaren F1 and a 12C rolling chassis for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/goodwood_2010_close_up_mclaren_mp4_12c/goodwood_2010_close_up_mclaren_mp4_12c_002.jpg (http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/07/01/goodwood-2010-close-up-mclaren-mp4-12c/)
Click the pic for more photos from GTSpirit.com
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Goodwood will see Button and Hamilton race the VP9 Validation Prototype of the car, painted in McLaren Orange, up Goodwood Hill during the Supercar Run on Saturday and Sunday.
If you are intending to visit the Festival of Speed this weekend, please do visit the McLaren Automotive stand and see the stunning 12C in the metal. We will also be displaying the 1995 Le Mans-winning McLaren F1 and a 12C rolling chassis for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/goodwood_2010_close_up_mclaren_mp4_12c/goodwood_2010_close_up_mclaren_mp4_12c_002.jpg (http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/07/01/goodwood-2010-close-up-mclaren-mp4-12c/)
Click the pic for more photos from GTSpirit.com
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Peloton25
07-01-2010, 10:50 PM
Expanded report:
Following their test of a ‘XP Beta’ 12C prototype at Goodwood Motor Circuit in March this year, Jenson and Lewis are excited at the prospect of piloting one of a new generation of 12Cs, the VP9 Validation Prototype car. Finished in traditional McLaren Orange, a solid hue made famous by Bruce McLaren’s racing cars of the 1960s and 70s, VP9 references McLaren’s past and future.
Sports car enthusiasts will see a new 12C prototype car on the McLaren Automotive stand, which is situated adjacent to the Sunday Times Supercar Paddock. Finished in Elite Volcano Orange and featuring a carbon fibre splitter, diffuser, engine covers, engine bay panels and seat backs, this 12C is fitted with lightweight forged alloy wheels in Stealth finish. Also on display will be a 12C rolling chassis and the Le Mans-winning McLaren F1. A team of McLaren specialists will be on hand to answer queries relating to the 12C and the McLaren F1.
Motorsport fans will be excited at the prospect of seeing the 1995 24 heures du Mans-winning McLaren F1. GTR1 won the legendary endurance race on its debut and in turn, secured for McLaren a unique ‘triple crown’. To date, no other manufacturer has won the Formula 1 World Championship, the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans 24 Hours.
At Goodwood, the public will discover a new type of high performance sports car. At the heart of the 12C is a unique one-piece carbon chassis, the ‘MonoCell’. Current competitor models in the ‘core’ sports car sector all feature heavier aluminum or steel structures that limit ultimate performance. The 12C has been designed around the driver, and its development has been overseen by a team with extensive experience in Formula 1 racing and engineering. Outstanding aerodynamic efficiency and bespoke technologies including Proactive Chassis Control, Seamless Shift dual-clutch Gearbox (SSG), Brake Steer, and the 12C’s unique Airbrake feature in a car which has been developed using Formula 1 simulator technology.
Also on the McLaren Automotive stand will be a 12C rolling chassis, enabling viewers to see under the skin of the car and understand exactly how each bespoke component of the 12C is positioned around its lightweight and stiff carbon MonoCell.
The new McLaren MP4-12C will be sold initially through 35 global retailers committed to exceptional customer service, in 19 different countries around the world from Spring 2011. The 12C will compete with other cars in the ‘core’ high performance sports car sector, which are priced between £125,000-£175,000.
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Following their test of a ‘XP Beta’ 12C prototype at Goodwood Motor Circuit in March this year, Jenson and Lewis are excited at the prospect of piloting one of a new generation of 12Cs, the VP9 Validation Prototype car. Finished in traditional McLaren Orange, a solid hue made famous by Bruce McLaren’s racing cars of the 1960s and 70s, VP9 references McLaren’s past and future.
Sports car enthusiasts will see a new 12C prototype car on the McLaren Automotive stand, which is situated adjacent to the Sunday Times Supercar Paddock. Finished in Elite Volcano Orange and featuring a carbon fibre splitter, diffuser, engine covers, engine bay panels and seat backs, this 12C is fitted with lightweight forged alloy wheels in Stealth finish. Also on display will be a 12C rolling chassis and the Le Mans-winning McLaren F1. A team of McLaren specialists will be on hand to answer queries relating to the 12C and the McLaren F1.
Motorsport fans will be excited at the prospect of seeing the 1995 24 heures du Mans-winning McLaren F1. GTR1 won the legendary endurance race on its debut and in turn, secured for McLaren a unique ‘triple crown’. To date, no other manufacturer has won the Formula 1 World Championship, the Indianapolis 500 and Le Mans 24 Hours.
At Goodwood, the public will discover a new type of high performance sports car. At the heart of the 12C is a unique one-piece carbon chassis, the ‘MonoCell’. Current competitor models in the ‘core’ sports car sector all feature heavier aluminum or steel structures that limit ultimate performance. The 12C has been designed around the driver, and its development has been overseen by a team with extensive experience in Formula 1 racing and engineering. Outstanding aerodynamic efficiency and bespoke technologies including Proactive Chassis Control, Seamless Shift dual-clutch Gearbox (SSG), Brake Steer, and the 12C’s unique Airbrake feature in a car which has been developed using Formula 1 simulator technology.
Also on the McLaren Automotive stand will be a 12C rolling chassis, enabling viewers to see under the skin of the car and understand exactly how each bespoke component of the 12C is positioned around its lightweight and stiff carbon MonoCell.
The new McLaren MP4-12C will be sold initially through 35 global retailers committed to exceptional customer service, in 19 different countries around the world from Spring 2011. The 12C will compete with other cars in the ‘core’ high performance sports car sector, which are priced between £125,000-£175,000.
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Peloton25
07-02-2010, 04:15 AM
VP9 arrives at Goodwood for Jenson and Lewis to take turns thrashing it over the next few days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqjABjjFzRY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqjABjjFzRY
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Peloton25
07-02-2010, 10:41 PM
Great shot from richebets at PH.com taken at Goodwood.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4755081801_88702523a3_b.jpg
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4755081801_88702523a3_b.jpg
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peterst
07-03-2010, 06:30 AM
Great shot from richebets at PH.com taken at Goodwood.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4755081801_88702523a3_b.jpg
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The car looks dated. For that cash Ferrari is better a lot:)))
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4755081801_88702523a3_b.jpg
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The car looks dated. For that cash Ferrari is better a lot:)))
astonmartindbs001
07-04-2010, 06:12 AM
Looks aren't everything. The MP4-12C is around 80Kg lighter than the equivalent Ferrari F458 Italia, and with more power and torque coupled with the carbon fiber MonoCell-based chassis, it should be capable of an even higher level of performance.
Rather than judge it based solely on it's looks, I'd prefer to wait and see what kind of driving dynamics it serves up through the eyes and words of it's testers and reviewers. A full set of proven performance figures wouldn't go amiss either.
Rather than judge it based solely on it's looks, I'd prefer to wait and see what kind of driving dynamics it serves up through the eyes and words of it's testers and reviewers. A full set of proven performance figures wouldn't go amiss either.
peterst
07-04-2010, 07:46 AM
Looks aren't everything. The MP4-12C is around 80Kg lighter than the equivalent Ferrari F458 Italia, and with more power and torque coupled with the carbon fiber MonoCell-based chassis, it should be capable of an even higher level of performance.
Rather than judge it based solely on it's looks, I'd prefer to wait and see what kind of driving dynamics it serves up through the eyes and words of it's testers and reviewers. A full set of proven performance figures wouldn't go amiss either.
I would like to argue. Looks are very important for supercars. Imagine, you'll have to marry an aging woman. That's what we (the buyers) are thinking about first. Then it goes to the sound. Would you recognize MP4-12C before you see it? You want to tell your friends: what car you are driving. Say it, and look in their eyes. I think, the newborn is dead. Carbon fiber today is not a big deal, 80 kg for the car is nothing. All of us weight differs a great deal. If, I'm over 100 kgs, and my friends are the same, plus luggage, who cares about cars extra 80 kgs. I have to say that Ferrari 458 is the leader today. Try it, don't read the articles of those, who drive low budget cars as their own.
Rather than judge it based solely on it's looks, I'd prefer to wait and see what kind of driving dynamics it serves up through the eyes and words of it's testers and reviewers. A full set of proven performance figures wouldn't go amiss either.
I would like to argue. Looks are very important for supercars. Imagine, you'll have to marry an aging woman. That's what we (the buyers) are thinking about first. Then it goes to the sound. Would you recognize MP4-12C before you see it? You want to tell your friends: what car you are driving. Say it, and look in their eyes. I think, the newborn is dead. Carbon fiber today is not a big deal, 80 kg for the car is nothing. All of us weight differs a great deal. If, I'm over 100 kgs, and my friends are the same, plus luggage, who cares about cars extra 80 kgs. I have to say that Ferrari 458 is the leader today. Try it, don't read the articles of those, who drive low budget cars as their own.
astonmartindbs001
07-04-2010, 08:06 AM
Lightness is everything. It makes you faster everywhere, both on the road and race track. And 80Kg does make a difference. If both cars had the same additional loadings (Passengers, luggage, fuel etc.), the MP4-12C would still be lighter and thus remain the car with a superior Power-to-Weight Ratio.
Try it..... right. So you've 'tried' an F458 Italia then, have you? Did you take it to a race track, and a proper driving road? Probe every single last aspect and facet of it's performance, driving dynamics, and transient handling responses?
If you haven't, then you're probably not very qualified to comment, and I strongly suggest you refer back to the findings of those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity.
Try it..... right. So you've 'tried' an F458 Italia then, have you? Did you take it to a race track, and a proper driving road? Probe every single last aspect and facet of it's performance, driving dynamics, and transient handling responses?
If you haven't, then you're probably not very qualified to comment, and I strongly suggest you refer back to the findings of those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity.
PatrickT82
07-04-2010, 08:49 AM
saw it friday at the FoS, very nice!
peterst
07-04-2010, 08:54 AM
Lightness is everything. It makes you faster everywhere, both on the road and race track. And 80Kg does make a difference. If both cars had the same additional loadings (Passengers, luggage, fuel etc.), the MP4-12C would still be lighter and thus remain the car with a superior Power-to-Weight Ratio.
Try it..... right. So you've 'tried' an F458 Italia then, have you? Did you take it to a race track, and a proper driving road? Probe every single last aspect and facet of it's performance, driving dynamics, and transient handling responses?
If you haven't, then you're probably not very qualified to comment, and I strongly suggest you refer back to the findings of those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity.
There are cars for road and track and they are not the same. We are talking about the road car. There's a waiting list for Ferraris. We have to wait now. But there were democars for old buyers. I drove the car far enough to say that it goes better, steers better, gearbox operates better. Better than 430. The MP4-12C is a road car without pedigree yet. I will try it for sure (I have personal invitation to the dealers), but it's not available for test. "those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity" are ordinary people, they do their job for money and for those who pay. Only the owner really knows the truth.
Try it..... right. So you've 'tried' an F458 Italia then, have you? Did you take it to a race track, and a proper driving road? Probe every single last aspect and facet of it's performance, driving dynamics, and transient handling responses?
If you haven't, then you're probably not very qualified to comment, and I strongly suggest you refer back to the findings of those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity.
There are cars for road and track and they are not the same. We are talking about the road car. There's a waiting list for Ferraris. We have to wait now. But there were democars for old buyers. I drove the car far enough to say that it goes better, steers better, gearbox operates better. Better than 430. The MP4-12C is a road car without pedigree yet. I will try it for sure (I have personal invitation to the dealers), but it's not available for test. "those who've built their entire careers around driving, testing and evaluating supercars in a professional capacity" are ordinary people, they do their job for money and for those who pay. Only the owner really knows the truth.
astonmartindbs001
07-04-2010, 09:02 AM
Congratulations. Make sure you get some photos. I'd like to see pics of you and that F458 Italia too, and considering how much you seem to love it I'd be extremely surprised if you didn't take any.
peterst
07-04-2010, 03:13 PM
Congratulations. Make sure you get some photos. I'd like to see pics of you and that F458 Italia too, and considering how much you seem to love it I'd be extremely surprised if you didn't take any.
Why should I take photos of ordinary things I have in my life? My grandsons and friends will laugh at me if I do that. It's fun for me to look through all threads, and to find out how easy young people could be hypnotized, sometimes by false idea. You'll understand what I mean after some time. I'd started Ferraris since 208 turbo (may be you even hadn't heard of one), and passed all central engined through. Simply analyze the sales of Ferrari and McLaren. Mind the Veyron that has extra fat and less power/weight ratio than F1. Veyron you could use in hot climate everyday, F1 will fry you up in its oven, and the engine will brake down in the traffic.
Why should I take photos of ordinary things I have in my life? My grandsons and friends will laugh at me if I do that. It's fun for me to look through all threads, and to find out how easy young people could be hypnotized, sometimes by false idea. You'll understand what I mean after some time. I'd started Ferraris since 208 turbo (may be you even hadn't heard of one), and passed all central engined through. Simply analyze the sales of Ferrari and McLaren. Mind the Veyron that has extra fat and less power/weight ratio than F1. Veyron you could use in hot climate everyday, F1 will fry you up in its oven, and the engine will brake down in the traffic.
peterst
07-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Congratulations. Make sure you get some photos. I'd like to see pics of you and that F458 Italia too, and considering how much you seem to love it I'd be extremely surprised if you didn't take any.
In case you're really crazy about F458 Italia, you could easily hire one here:
http://www.eliterent.com/en/car_rental-4659-ferrari_458_italia_switzerland
You take care:))
In case you're really crazy about F458 Italia, you could easily hire one here:
http://www.eliterent.com/en/car_rental-4659-ferrari_458_italia_switzerland
You take care:))
Peloton25
07-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Another pair of great images:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4758762444_5af27bba6b_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4761290406_abe6092120_b.jpg
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4758762444_5af27bba6b_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4761290406_abe6092120_b.jpg
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Peloton25
07-04-2010, 04:58 PM
Video of the display stand with footage of one of the runs up the hill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWDIDXc2f4
Another video of the car on the move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x46hkY9iwwc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWDIDXc2f4
Another video of the car on the move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x46hkY9iwwc
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Peloton25
07-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Peloton25
07-04-2010, 06:25 PM
Lewis Hamilton doing a little rallying:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4761717442_78a8420775_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4761084991_6515dbb427_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4761717948_8cb41b22e4_o.jpg
Photos from richebets on Flickr. :cool:
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4761361561_24e917e506_b.jpg
Apparently no one is interested in this 'boring' car... :p
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4761717442_78a8420775_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4761084991_6515dbb427_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4761717948_8cb41b22e4_o.jpg
Photos from richebets on Flickr. :cool:
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4761361561_24e917e506_b.jpg
Apparently no one is interested in this 'boring' car... :p
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Peloton25
07-04-2010, 11:08 PM
peterst
07-05-2010, 03:57 AM
Really nothing special. No look, no sound. Anonymous. It will achieve the "success" of NSX :))
Peloton25
07-05-2010, 09:34 PM
I really like this shot from robbersdog on Flickr. :sunglasse
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4763285348_31ab68f8dd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robbersdog/4763285348/in/photostream/)
Click through for access to the hi-res version.
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Does anyone have photos of the Silver 12C that was on display inside McLaren's hospitality suite at Goodwood? I assume it was this one seen at the factory wearing the Super Lightweight wheels.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs152.snc4/36944_407025311716_371554081716_5031316_1964631_n. jpg
So far I've only seen mention of it being there, but have not located any images from the show.
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4763285348_31ab68f8dd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robbersdog/4763285348/in/photostream/)
Click through for access to the hi-res version.
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Does anyone have photos of the Silver 12C that was on display inside McLaren's hospitality suite at Goodwood? I assume it was this one seen at the factory wearing the Super Lightweight wheels.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs152.snc4/36944_407025311716_371554081716_5031316_1964631_n. jpg
So far I've only seen mention of it being there, but have not located any images from the show.
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PatrickT82
07-06-2010, 02:27 PM
nice pics
nicklm79
07-06-2010, 04:38 PM
There is a Video of the silver 12C, this is the link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNFIv_waMw
I wad at Goodwood on sunday but I haven't find the Mclaren Hospitality..:uhoh:
Next week I'll post sme photos from the weekend :naughty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNFIv_waMw
I wad at Goodwood on sunday but I haven't find the Mclaren Hospitality..:uhoh:
Next week I'll post sme photos from the weekend :naughty:
Peloton25
07-07-2010, 10:35 AM
Thanks for that video Nick - I had not come across that one yet.
Here's new content from PistonHeads with video of Jenson and Lewis making runs up the hill as well:
VIDEO: MCLAREN 12C IN ACTION AT GOODWOOD FOS (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22178)
If you have a FaceBook account you can see more photos on the McLaren Automotive page here (http://www.facebook.com/mclarenautomotive#!/album.php?aid=193501&id=371554081716). I like the shot under the trees in turn 1.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs100.snc4/36339_409069146716_371554081716_5083255_2554614_n. jpg
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Here's new content from PistonHeads with video of Jenson and Lewis making runs up the hill as well:
VIDEO: MCLAREN 12C IN ACTION AT GOODWOOD FOS (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22178)
If you have a FaceBook account you can see more photos on the McLaren Automotive page here (http://www.facebook.com/mclarenautomotive#!/album.php?aid=193501&id=371554081716). I like the shot under the trees in turn 1.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs100.snc4/36339_409069146716_371554081716_5083255_2554614_n. jpg
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wilsonc
07-26-2010, 01:47 AM
Looks beautiful, sounds great, McLaren did a great job on this car. I can't wait to see what numbers it will post in tests.
I'd hate to be in a LP570 or 458 if one of those pulled up next to me at a red light. ;)
I'd hate to be in a LP570 or 458 if one of those pulled up next to me at a red light. ;)
peterst
07-26-2010, 02:23 AM
Looks beautiful, sounds great, McLaren did a great job on this car. I can't wait to see what numbers it will post in tests.
I'd hate to be in a LP570 or 458 if one of those pulled up next to me at a red light. ;)
New british soap tray. Do you know the main feature of all british cars? They break. The other thing is exactly what you've written. No "numbers" of the already unveiled car. Knowing how brits like all sort of "numbers" there's doubt if it's from their side:))))
I'd hate to be in a LP570 or 458 if one of those pulled up next to me at a red light. ;)
New british soap tray. Do you know the main feature of all british cars? They break. The other thing is exactly what you've written. No "numbers" of the already unveiled car. Knowing how brits like all sort of "numbers" there's doubt if it's from their side:))))
carbuilder2002
07-26-2010, 05:51 PM
Trust me italian cars are far more fragile than british I have owned both give me UK any day mind I may well be biased lol
wilsonc
07-26-2010, 06:42 PM
New british soap tray. Do you know the main feature of all british cars? They break. The other thing is exactly what you've written. No "numbers" of the already unveiled car. Knowing how brits like all sort of "numbers" there's doubt if it's from their side:))))
In case you didn't get the news, British Leyland has been dead for a while. And I haven't seen a great deal of owners on ferrarichat or any Lamborghini forums happy with the reliability of their cars. ;)
And I'm sorry but on the post before I meant numbers from car testers. McLaren themselves have of course posted some numbers. 592hp, 443 ft lbs torque, 2866lbs dry, 0-124mph in under 10 seconds, top speed over 200mph, braking from 60-0mph in 98 feet, and the 1/4 mile in ~11 seconds. I'm guessing some of the numbers are not exact because different car testers get different results, so McLaren just did a rough average.
Seems like someone is sour that the McLaren is better than a certain Ferrari. :iceslolan
In case you didn't get the news, British Leyland has been dead for a while. And I haven't seen a great deal of owners on ferrarichat or any Lamborghini forums happy with the reliability of their cars. ;)
And I'm sorry but on the post before I meant numbers from car testers. McLaren themselves have of course posted some numbers. 592hp, 443 ft lbs torque, 2866lbs dry, 0-124mph in under 10 seconds, top speed over 200mph, braking from 60-0mph in 98 feet, and the 1/4 mile in ~11 seconds. I'm guessing some of the numbers are not exact because different car testers get different results, so McLaren just did a rough average.
Seems like someone is sour that the McLaren is better than a certain Ferrari. :iceslolan
peterst
07-27-2010, 03:36 AM
In case you didn't get the news, British Leyland has been dead for a while. And I haven't seen a great deal of owners on ferrarichat or any Lamborghini forums happy with the reliability of their cars. ;)
And I'm sorry but on the post before I meant numbers from car testers. McLaren themselves have of course posted some numbers. 592hp, 443 ft lbs torque, 2866lbs dry, 0-124mph in under 10 seconds, top speed over 200mph, braking from 60-0mph in 98 feet, and the 1/4 mile in ~11 seconds. I'm guessing some of the numbers are not exact because different car testers get different results, so McLaren just did a rough average.
Seems like someone is sour that the McLaren is better than a certain Ferrari. :iceslolan
You're absolutely right - the most reliable sports cars are Germans. The reliability of Italian sports cars is a kind of their character. If you own them, you know what to expect. Brits are unpredictable. You never know if that Aston will start today or it has the day off. Jag was always boiling kettle and lucasly electric. Bentley always has sort of period - it leakes.
Since we don't have british car industry today, some problems have been sorted by international community under the same names. Whatever is manufactured in UK (by UK) is more often a junk. That's my private opinion.
And I'm sorry but on the post before I meant numbers from car testers. McLaren themselves have of course posted some numbers. 592hp, 443 ft lbs torque, 2866lbs dry, 0-124mph in under 10 seconds, top speed over 200mph, braking from 60-0mph in 98 feet, and the 1/4 mile in ~11 seconds. I'm guessing some of the numbers are not exact because different car testers get different results, so McLaren just did a rough average.
Seems like someone is sour that the McLaren is better than a certain Ferrari. :iceslolan
You're absolutely right - the most reliable sports cars are Germans. The reliability of Italian sports cars is a kind of their character. If you own them, you know what to expect. Brits are unpredictable. You never know if that Aston will start today or it has the day off. Jag was always boiling kettle and lucasly electric. Bentley always has sort of period - it leakes.
Since we don't have british car industry today, some problems have been sorted by international community under the same names. Whatever is manufactured in UK (by UK) is more often a junk. That's my private opinion.
wilsonc
07-27-2010, 04:48 AM
You're absolutely right - the most reliable sports cars are Germans. The reliability of Italian sports cars is a kind of their character. If you own them, you know what to expect. Brits are unpredictable. You never know if that Aston will start today or it has the day off. Jag was always boiling kettle and lucasly electric. Bentley always has sort of period - it leakes.
Since we don't have british car industry today, some problems have been sorted by international community under the same names. Whatever is manufactured in UK (by UK) is more often a junk. That's my private opinion.
Well, it seems to me you haven't owned any brand of cars that you're ranting about, or know much about them either. I mean unless you're talking about the old ones then I can understand, but let's not make things up now. ;)
I'd have to ask were you personally hurt by a British car or something? Did one of them hit you and you become paraplegic? :rofl:
And honestly I wouldn't say the most reliable sports cars are from the Germans, as I have heard quite a bit of horror stories about BMWs and Mercedes (2000-current). There is a difference between the best build quality and the best reliability. And also, there's a difference between opinion and fact. I'd suggest you stop confusing them!
As for this arguing, I am going to stop because we have gone waaaaay off topic.
Since we don't have british car industry today, some problems have been sorted by international community under the same names. Whatever is manufactured in UK (by UK) is more often a junk. That's my private opinion.
Well, it seems to me you haven't owned any brand of cars that you're ranting about, or know much about them either. I mean unless you're talking about the old ones then I can understand, but let's not make things up now. ;)
I'd have to ask were you personally hurt by a British car or something? Did one of them hit you and you become paraplegic? :rofl:
And honestly I wouldn't say the most reliable sports cars are from the Germans, as I have heard quite a bit of horror stories about BMWs and Mercedes (2000-current). There is a difference between the best build quality and the best reliability. And also, there's a difference between opinion and fact. I'd suggest you stop confusing them!
As for this arguing, I am going to stop because we have gone waaaaay off topic.
peterst
07-28-2010, 02:05 AM
Well, it seems to me you haven't owned any brand of cars that you're ranting about, or know much about them either. I mean unless you're talking about the old ones then I can understand, but let's not make things up now. ;)
I'd have to ask were you personally hurt by a British car or something? Did one of them hit you and you become paraplegic? :rofl:
And honestly I wouldn't say the most reliable sports cars are from the Germans, as I have heard quite a bit of horror stories about BMWs and Mercedes (2000-current). There is a difference between the best build quality and the best reliability. And also, there's a difference between opinion and fact. I'd suggest you stop confusing them!
As for this arguing, I am going to stop because we have gone waaaaay off topic.
There are sometimes the real ones here:))) Not you, mate.
I'd have to ask were you personally hurt by a British car or something? Did one of them hit you and you become paraplegic? :rofl:
And honestly I wouldn't say the most reliable sports cars are from the Germans, as I have heard quite a bit of horror stories about BMWs and Mercedes (2000-current). There is a difference between the best build quality and the best reliability. And also, there's a difference between opinion and fact. I'd suggest you stop confusing them!
As for this arguing, I am going to stop because we have gone waaaaay off topic.
There are sometimes the real ones here:))) Not you, mate.
astonmartindbs001
07-28-2010, 02:27 AM
I believe that this forum in particular, along with the entire McLaren forum as a whole, is only for fans and supporters of the MP4-12C, the F1, and the McLaren marque as a whole along with its cars.
If people want to criticize them unfairly, and/or uphold and praise other marques along the way, there are other parts and Forums of AF.com to do those things.
If people want to criticize them unfairly, and/or uphold and praise other marques along the way, there are other parts and Forums of AF.com to do those things.
Peloton25
07-28-2010, 02:50 AM
We don't do pissing matches here at AF.com so whether this is a serious debate or not, please just drop it. If you want to engage a battle of words that quickly becomes irrelevant over your differences of opionion please do so elsewhere. Future posts on the matter from this point forward will be deleted.
Trusting that I won't have to repeat myself, thanks for understanding the need to keep drama away from this discussion forum. :smile:
>8^)
ER
Trusting that I won't have to repeat myself, thanks for understanding the need to keep drama away from this discussion forum. :smile:
>8^)
ER
peterst
07-28-2010, 07:01 AM
We don't do pissing matches here at AF.com so whether this is a serious debate or not, please just drop it. If you want to engage a battle of words that quickly becomes irrelevant over your differences of opionion please do so elsewhere. Future posts on the matter from this point forward will be deleted.
Trusting that I won't have to repeat myself, thanks for understanding the need to keep drama away from this discussion forum. :smile:
>8^)
ER
Take it easy, mate, nobody's fighting here. Would it be fine that we will share this planet with you for a while?
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
Trusting that I won't have to repeat myself, thanks for understanding the need to keep drama away from this discussion forum. :smile:
>8^)
ER
Take it easy, mate, nobody's fighting here. Would it be fine that we will share this planet with you for a while?
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
Peloton25
07-28-2010, 07:12 AM
Take it easy, mate, nobody's fighting here. Would it be fine that we will share this planet with you for a while?
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
Peter - you can pretend to play the victim but so far my impression is that you have been nothing if not a disruption with a large percentage of your posts. If that is your motivation for being here I can certainly fix that problem for you.
You've made it clear you are not a fan of the new 12C and made it clear you have issues with the F1 too. Frankly one would assume someone in the position you claim to be in should have better things to do than antagonize folks on an enthusiast's message forum with unproductive comments about cars that you aren't the least bit passionate about, but perhaps not. :screwy:
This discussion ends here. :nono:
>8^|
ER
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
Peter - you can pretend to play the victim but so far my impression is that you have been nothing if not a disruption with a large percentage of your posts. If that is your motivation for being here I can certainly fix that problem for you.
You've made it clear you are not a fan of the new 12C and made it clear you have issues with the F1 too. Frankly one would assume someone in the position you claim to be in should have better things to do than antagonize folks on an enthusiast's message forum with unproductive comments about cars that you aren't the least bit passionate about, but perhaps not. :screwy:
This discussion ends here. :nono:
>8^|
ER
carbuilder2002
07-28-2010, 06:57 PM
Thats funny I had an Aston vantage and it was the most reliablle not mainstrem car I have ever owned, never failed to start even in sub zero temperatures (yes I did drive it in snow and on sheet ice, much better than my XJ12) only thing that ever failed was the boot lock, and that cost me £15 to replace (1994)
Streetrod
08-18-2010, 01:55 PM
Take it easy, mate, nobody's fighting here. Would it be fine that we will share this planet with you for a while?
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
For a turbo charged car a 8500 rpm redline is very high, please find me another production turbo engine that revs that high. Also it is only 500 rpm short of the 458 which has less power and less torque. Also the MP4 engine is the most efficient in its class with the lowest CO2 emissions as well.
How about the fact that the MP4 does not have anti roll bars, very old fashioned, and uses brake steer that McLaren pioneered in F1, a system that was so good it was banned by the FIA. And that’s just a start of the innovations that are being rolled out on the MP4, is that WOW enough for you.
Now I am no fan boy and will wait until I see the test results. But having spent time talking to the engineers they are very confident that dynamically the MP4 will spank the 458.
Looks at the end of the day are subjective.
On another note I suspect that 70% of 458 owners have bought the car because they are more interested in what people think of them driving the latest Ferrari rather than what they think of the car. Posing is a little sad I think.
Tell us better about the engine of the 12C. How does it follows the F1 (both road car and race cars) principles being turbocharged? What are the highest revs it could reach? 8500 rpms today is ordinary "number". Why did they place exhausts so high? Would you inhale ozone standing behind the back? Where is the revolutionary WOW hidden, to pay for? Imagine, I have cash, and you want to convince me to throw it.
For a turbo charged car a 8500 rpm redline is very high, please find me another production turbo engine that revs that high. Also it is only 500 rpm short of the 458 which has less power and less torque. Also the MP4 engine is the most efficient in its class with the lowest CO2 emissions as well.
How about the fact that the MP4 does not have anti roll bars, very old fashioned, and uses brake steer that McLaren pioneered in F1, a system that was so good it was banned by the FIA. And that’s just a start of the innovations that are being rolled out on the MP4, is that WOW enough for you.
Now I am no fan boy and will wait until I see the test results. But having spent time talking to the engineers they are very confident that dynamically the MP4 will spank the 458.
Looks at the end of the day are subjective.
On another note I suspect that 70% of 458 owners have bought the car because they are more interested in what people think of them driving the latest Ferrari rather than what they think of the car. Posing is a little sad I think.
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