here it is. its not together yet, but here are a few pics of them.
the first one of the showing most of the set up.

in the pic you also see a turbo XS type H34 blow off valve
a 3inch down pipe,
and a cold air intake
also you see a small converted grand national intercooler

here is a pic of hte compressor next to a sneaker to show you its size

and thats going on a ka?

here is the pic of the waste gate. its a turbonetic's delta gate with a 8lb spring

here is a pic of revhard turbo manifold

here is a pic of my car with it on top of my valve cover incase you guys question if this is real or not

heres an upclose of it to show you how big that thing is

heres a pic of my other baby. her name is also "pearl" and shes been with me and supporting me through all this :cool:

bah! rid yourself of that wimpy little intercooler, get a greddy 24v front mount and CRANK THAT BOOST UP!!:jump:

but that turbo aint nothing compared to THIS!!
http://www.3rotor.com/images/hb_build/2002/t88_6.jpg

Damn, that thing is huge!!! What size is that? And also, Tat, what are the specs on your turbo? Doing the install yourself? Where are you located at again?

look at you trying to ride out in the Mercedes LOL.........


I like those cars cept for one thing..... the wheels look like silver spray painted steelies from a honda lol.








nice turbo tat

its a to4b. it would do the install myself. its just that in order to remove the oil pan for my car, i need to lift the whole engine up. since i have no engine lift. i can't do it. otherwise it seems to be a pretty straight forward. you would be disappointed at my goal hp though. with such a big turbo i'm hoping to just get 230whp. since i'm running on a stock fuel system with a bell fmu and stock internals. so therefore that grandnational intercooler would do just fine. since a grand nation came with like 300hp. and for that big ass turbo damn!! thats bigger then the turbo's that i find in diesel engines. what size is that?

This might sound like a newbie question, but doesn't having an intercooler defeat the purpose of having CAI?

Also, it is quite hard for us to picture the size of your turbo from that "sneaker" picture because we don't know what size that is. You should take a picture with the turbo beside something that is one size(e.g., floppy disk, cd).

Anyway, still very nice stuff you've got there.. Let's get them on quick and post some dynos here.

Beef: compare the size of the turbo to the size of his engine. Or the head light, or the entire car itself.

Congrats on the turbo Tat!! I can't wait untill I hear the results of it installed. How much boost would yeiled 230hp in the KA?

All that shazz loooks nicccce.

you dont need a CAI with an Intercooler, but you can run a filter on the intake side of the turbo of you like...

yeah, that turbo that is quite a bit larger than the average mans head.. T88. Made for horrible spool up lag, but nightmarish amounts of power.:D

Originally posted by fatninja19
Beef: compare the size of the turbo to the size of his engine. Or the head light, or the entire car itself.

Congrats on the turbo Tat!! I can't wait untill I hear the results of it installed. How much boost would yeiled 230hp in the KA?

All that shazz loooks nicccce.

I'm just saying comparing to a sneaker is pointless, for all i care i could a turbo beside a size 3 shoe and make the picture look like the turbo is the size of your head.

Originally posted by SR20DETpower
look at you trying to ride out in the Mercedes LOL.........
I like those cars cept for one thing..... the wheels look like silver spray painted steelies from a honda lol.

Haha:confused: Trying to ride out in the Mercedes? Not sure I get what you're trying to say? And yea, I'm not a big fan of the wheels either.

Originally posted by BeEfCaKe
This might sound like a newbie question, but doesn't having an intercooler defeat the purpose of having CAI?


i don't think so compared to the stock air intake its better.

Anyways colder air = more dense = more power

it might end up being fractional but at least its not a negative.

IF you have an FMIC you DONT need a CAI...the intake pipe is taken by the FMIC and the FMIC is FAR superior to any CAI setup...

Exactly what I was thinking...

GODDAM THAT TURBO IS HUGE!!!! its a T88 turbo? How many horses does it take?? I kno the bigger the turbo, the more lag, but i may be saying it wrong

the cold air intake helps the intercooler alittle. instead of having the air filter hooked up straight at the compressor side of the turbo and have it draw in cold air for the intercooler to cool off, your drawing in cooler air for the intercooler to cool even more. some cars actually have options for a cold air intake for a turbo. the first time that i've ever saw anything like that was on a special edition volkswagen golf 1.8t. i was like oooh, thats pretty interesting.

edit: and beefcake. that is a size 9 1/2 sneaker. and fatninja. i wouldn't be runnign it in the dynos becuas ei'm too poor for that. the nearest dyno run cost 200 per 2 dynos. so i'll just post up timeslips instead. but i did the math, if i should be puttin down 150whp right now with my current mods, i'm boosting 8 lbs. that should be around 40% power increase, plus my mods loves turbo's such as crank pulley, exhuast and cat. 230whp should be very easily reached.

damn...thas tyte...im falling behind all of u guys :D . post pics when its installed tho...goddamned big...

i have been planning this for about a year already. and its been delayed quit sometime. i'm just glad that i'm finally gettin it done.

are you gettin low compression pistons and the like?

ride out...... looks like your cruising in that thing lol




Tat run some used stock SR injectors 50 bucks a pop

run a hacked MAF that is 37% bigger then stock MAF....

that will sort out your tuning LOL......

get a low boost spring on your waistegate so it doesn't spike... set a manual boost controller to about 6-7psi... you will be at 225rwhp easily with the T4. Where are you going to mount that intercooler, front or side?


thats about a 75rwhp+ gain for over a thousand bucks on a budget turbo project... thats a damn good mod lol.... Sr's on stock boost make 185rwhp so your way ahead of em.... gotta love that extra displacement, plus a turbo will spool faster on the KA compared to the SR.

Originally posted by Silver_GTR34
GODDAM THAT TURBO IS HUGE!!!! its a T88 turbo? How many horses does it take?? I kno the bigger the turbo, the more lag, but i may be saying it wrong

Thats not a T88....when youve seen one, ull know the monstrosity of it

I belive its a T3 or T4, as RevHard makes manifolds for them

Unless your some rich-ass kid or a Tuning shop, T88s are outta reach, and even so most of the big ballers run T78 on a single turbo upgrade or a T51 Kai/SPL

The picture with the guy holding the turbo that Steel posted is a T88. It is from this site

http://www.3rotor.com/hb_build.htm


Also found a list of prices here:

http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/greddy/greddy_turbo.htm

Originally posted by BeEfCaKe
The picture with the guy holding the turbo that Steel posted is a T88. It is from this site

http://www.3rotor.com/hb_build.htm


Also found a list of prices here:

http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/greddy/greddy_turbo.htm

Jesus that thing is a monster :eek:

Originally posted by Dorikin


Thats not a T88....when youve seen one, ull know the monstrosity of it

I belive its a T3 or T4, as RevHard makes manifolds for them

Unless your some rich-ass kid or a Tuning shop, T88s are outta reach, and even so most of the big ballers run T78 on a single turbo upgrade or a T51 Kai/SPL

Yea, I was about to say, that's definitely a T88 in that picture. I was about to post the website, but someone beat me too it.
And for the record...
http://ieng9.ucsd.edu/~ahartoun/t76.jpg
THAT'S a T-76:)

4800 for a T88 thats alot but not out of reach

A T-88 is not practical for any street application car, a T-78 can supply more then enough power than any car should really have on the street. Save the money on the T88 and use it to upgrade your engine internals with race ready parts and enjoy a little bit longer of a lifespan from your engine.

doh! I thoguht you meant the Turbo tatII had was a T88...

don't those T78's and 88's weigh in excess of 80lbs!!!

:eek:

question.... should i put a aem airbypass valve for my cold air intake? i mean do i even need one since the water would have to go thru all that pumbing before it even gets to the combustion chamber?

if you want to buy it..... sure why not.... couldnt hurt.

The only thing that may hurt is his wallet:p Too bad CA emissions won't allow such a boost job to be legal on the streets:(



Hey Self, whatever happend to that turbo kit for your camaro for cheap???

Originally posted by fatninja19
The only thing that may hurt is his wallet:p Too bad CA emissions won't allow such a boost job to be legal on the streets:(



Hey Self, whatever happend to that turbo kit for your camaro for cheap???

Sold to someone else before I could get the cash together:( Or to be more specific, he traded for a supercharger/aftercooler system before I could get the cash together.:( :( :(

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii *continues wetting pants* iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD DAMN! That's the biggest turbo I've seen in my life! That's insane... fawk I never realized T88 were that big!!! fawk.. well damn hahaa... always nice to see new things :P

The real benefit to a CAI is not so much the hp gain from the denser air, considering you get about 2hp/liter for every 100 degrees F you drop the charge temp. The real benefit is the same as the intercooler, a lower charge temperature makes for a higher detonation threshold.

A CAI makes an intercooler more effective, because when you start with less heat, you end up with less heat. The intercooler can get the charge temp closer to ambient air temperature that way.

An interesting note, propane is at negative 150 F when it's decompressed, and has an octane rating of around 112 RON. In an intercooled turbo engine, this makes the detonation threshold very high. Imagine 10:1 compression with 20psi of boost :) 300bhp/liter, anyone? :D

aw shit.. dont get on your propane kick again...


i swear i'll shove a propane and propane accessories so far up your canadian rear you'll be farting Char-King's for the next 20 years!!

:D :D :) :) :p :p

Oh, he'll be alright... as long as he doesn't eat any corn products before midnight! <stern look>

:hehehe:

And Redneck...


PROPANE PWNZ J00!!

... No it doesnt!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!:D

Originally posted by Cbass
The real benefit to a CAI is not so much the hp gain from the denser air, considering you get about 2hp/liter for every 100 degrees F you drop the charge temp. The real benefit is the same as the intercooler, a lower charge temperature makes for a higher detonation threshold.

A CAI makes an intercooler more effective, because when you start with less heat, you end up with less heat. The intercooler can get the charge temp closer to ambient air temperature that way.

An interesting note, propane is at negative 150 F when it's decompressed, and has an octane rating of around 112 RON. In an intercooled turbo engine, this makes the detonation threshold very high. Imagine 10:1 compression with 20psi of boost :) 300bhp/liter, anyone? :D

CAI might help, but I would think not by too much. Would be better to invest in a bigger intercooler...

Well, unless your IC can cool the charge to ambient air temp, a CAI is going to make it more efficient. If you start with 200 BTUs/second, you'll have to cool it by 200 BTUs/second. If you start with 150BTUs/second, you'll only have to cool it that much.

A CAI on a stock engine, of course, does very little. You might be able to advance the timing a few extra degrees, but unless you've got a high compression engine or a turbocharged engine, there won't be a noticeable benefit from the air temperature alone.

Besides, factory air cleaners are usually cold air intakes anyways. Again, the stock cylinder head is probably a bigger flow bottleneck than the stock air cleaner. Just by port matching and a little cleanup around the short turn radius and valve guide, you can pick up as much as 30% more flow...

Both my GTCs have CAI and both have air to water intercoolers. It does help, it is marginal, but every little bit helps.

Originally posted by Polygon
Both my GTCs have CAI and both have air to water intercoolers. It does help, it is marginal, but every little bit helps.

I'm just wondering, are your intercoolers hidden from the outside since they don't need a consant source of air flowing over them? Or would it still be better to have that air flow just as sort of an extra bonus?

I'm just wondering about what could be used for the ultimate sleeper.

the intercooler works like a radiator. there are many many fins and passages that the air goes thru. you still need cold air to transfer the heat away from the hotter air. so you can hide the intercooler but its not goin to be very efficient. its better off to be left in the open